| jfw: | well here's some definite "cleaning only before company visits" failure in my process. my object here has been a V that works on Gales or other "small" systems; however I did most of the testing on a gentoo. only after thinking all was well and signing a patch did it occur to me to test all the pieces on a Gales system. Pressing worked fine - because I'd had the quirks of busybox patch in mind - | [03:31] |
| jfw: | but I'd also brought an awk-based vdiff into the picture, which is broken there because of a busybox diff quirk I'd forgotten (replacing the names of inexistent files with "/dev/null"). | [03:31] |
| jfw: | now maybe this isn't a big enough problem to derail publishing - since previously there was no vdiff anyway on such a system; but that rather feels like propagating the "hygiene" problem. if a system can install code it should be able to edit it too ffs, or what are we making, iphones? | [03:40] |
| jfw: | the awk-vdiff is certainly fixable but will be some work I hadn't planned on. | [03:41] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-26-Mar-2020#1023081 - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958690 ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is. | [06:14] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-26 19:51:45 trinque: diana_coman: there's the patches, and whatever selection mechanism everyone bitches every time I don't have. | [06:14] |
| ossabot: | (trilema) 2020-03-01 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suspect billymg 's thing might not actually include http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249 | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: ahaha; why don't you work on Gales anyway? | [06:16] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: re derailing publication - your adventure there actually brought forward some *additional* part that you should write up and publish, namely those "quirks" of busybox and the like; as you noticed, you forgot some of them yourself so write them down in one place to have as reference already; esp if you want to make Gales useful, anyway. | [06:22] |
| diana_coman: | so yes, sure, you don't have the v write up at the planned time; you still had though something to publish at that time: the summary of the adventure, with what came out of it; that is anyway the only thing that can ever be, after all - it's always exactly a summary of what you did and the fact that sometimes it happens to fit also previous plans and expectations does not make it something other than *what you did*. | [06:25] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: what happened to you? | [06:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | has first comment thread on new thing http://mvdstandard.net/2020/03/usg-indicts-venezualan-president-maduro-and-other-members-of-government-over-alleged-narco-terrorism-conspiracy/#comment-7 | [12:07] |
| diana_coman: | congrats BingoBoingo ! | [12:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: ty | [12:27] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: ah, indeed - writing by focusing on the journey more than the destination. I'll get on that. | [15:20] |
| jfw: | I've kept a gales and gentoo system side by side on the desk for a while now; what still keeps me defaulting to the gentoo is mainly X11. | [15:22] |
| jfw: | just got tripped up by the time change, 5 days in even; will be back at actually-19:00 | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: oh huh, why x11? I mean: do you needed for the dev work you do? | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | need it* | [16:23] |
| feedbot: | http://younghands.club/2020/03/27/rmd-week-21-review-mar-23rd-27th-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD week 21 review, Mar 23rd-27th, 2020 | [16:24] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: it's not strictly needed, but I find pasting in particular to be a pain without it | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | why/how? | [16:26] |
| jfw: | maybe my tools just suck? but using tmux or screen as "window manager", it just takes quite a few keystrokes to get a particular thing selected then pasted, compared to 2 mouse clicks | [16:28] |
| jfw: | this is more noticeable with irc compared to editing code though, to be sure | [16:30] |
| dorion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Mar-2020#1023093 - I'm just about settled here and made progress on priorities. there was soem lingering emergency mode and I dropped my daily reviews. doing the weekly review helped me become aware of that. | [16:30] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-27 06:25:15 diana_coman: dorion: what happened to you? | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: possibly; but more to the point, a whole x11 for...copy/paste sounds certainly like overkill, no? | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | I have x11 ofc and all the bells and whistles for eulora client but otherwise (eg for server-side development) I never needed x11 | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | it's true it's 20 years since I last used irc without x11 but I don't recall that being a problem at the time either, lol. | [16:34] |
| jfw: | perhaps it's a situation of "driving the car to pick up the mail from the street just because I can", hm. | [16:35] |
| jfw: | did you need to paste links or search logs in a browser as much 20 years ago though? | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: at least the 2nd layer of review caught it then, not that bad; (and glad to hear it wasn't anything worse than what sounds like too-much-on-local-plate, anyway) | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: possibly not; though I still wonder how I managed to keep track of all the convos given the format, lolz. | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: anyways, I suppose you can easily find out if you *really* need the x11 - just ditch it for a month and see what solution you find instead, heh. | [16:38] |
| jfw: | there was a period of this even, pre-Gales when I was building this gentoo as 'recipes' atop a stage3. It did make me more efficient with tmux pasting and some tricks to pipe snippets in/out of vim, but was still a relief once I had the gui back. Open to suggestions on better ways :) | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: isn't the switch kbd/mouse/kbd annoying in itself? (it tends to annoy me and I usually avoid it) | [16:42] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: why exactly a relief? that would be where you start from to find a solution; better ways to select or what? | [16:43] |
| jfw: | the switching doesn't annoy me much when it saves time otherwise I guess. Perhaps a higher level to look at is why the 'need' to paste quite so much; maybe it turns out that I'm just trying to accelerate typing 'http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/' or something and there's better ways for that | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | or that, indeed; I was just thinking that I actually don't do *that* much pasting and certainly not at dev time, hm. | [16:46] |
| jfw: | I don't have a more specific answer for why exactly, than already mentioned; happy to give it another try and observe closer. | [16:48] |
| dorion: | diana_coman the 2nd layer indeed paid off and I'm back on track now. there is a lot on local plate, but it's all good. | [16:49] |
| feedbot: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Review of the Bitcoin Category on trilema.com | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | dorion, jfw there are quite a few of those articles listed in ^ that you'd benefit from (re-)reading but I especially recommend a read/re-read of http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/?b=full\%20solution&e=#select and http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/?b=basic\%20point&e=#select | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | I mean a read of the articles linked from there, not of my 1-sentence note on them, ofc. | [16:59] |
| jfw: | thanks for the pointers diana_coman | [17:02] |
| dorion: | thanks diana_coman, I'm looking forward to reading your review and the underlying texts. | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | np | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | shall be back tomorrow | [17:13] |
| jfw: | trinque: deedbot's been out since ping timeout last night | [17:26] |
| trinque: | jfw: sorry about that; the refactored bot is literally running on a laptop. | [21:03] |
| trinque: | moving it to permanent home tomorrow. | [21:04] |
| trinque: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Mar-2020#1023087 << wasn't aiming to rile anyone up. I wasn't clear on whether he'd done any additional work on the thing. | [21:05] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-27 06:14:37 diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-26-Mar-2020#1023081 - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958690 ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is. | [21:05] |
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