| jfw: | dorion: how about this for incentivizing studiousness outside the classroom and keeping class efficient: charge a deposit for a couple extra sessions, to be refunded on timely completion. One could argue this perversely rewards us for dragging things out, but I don't really think so: our interest is to get it done and move on to the next thing. | [12:57] |
| dorion: | jfw in addition to what we're already charging ? | [12:59] |
| jfw: | well, for the current prospects it could be done as a conditional discount if they're the sort that must get special extra discount. But in general an addition | [13:01] |
| dorion: | jfw what you're suggesting for them then is, pay the normal price, but if you keep the pace you get a partial refund at the end ? | [13:09] |
| jfw: | right, though there still needs to be an upper limit, don't want to imply it cam be dragged out indefinitely. | [13:11] |
| dorion: | seems like having a clause in the contract that accounts for the progress would be a good middle ground. e.g. if they've not done homework and we're forced to go at a slower pace, we don't continue until they've paid for the extra time. | [13:11] |
| jfw: | works too as far as I can tell, and with less upfront expense for them | [13:13] |
| dorion: | assumes good fatih, but sets explicit expectations and conditions if the expectations aren't met. | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what was the situation re homework on the previous run, both in terms of amount done/not done and in terms of consequences to advancing at the pace you had designed? | [15:27] |
| diana_coman: | lobbes: is there a review/update missing from you? | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-06-Mar-2020#1020222 - do you have this in mind for groups too? how do you decide there if you can or can't keep the pace when 2 will do the homework and the 3rd won't do it? | [15:34] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-06 13:11:29 dorion: seems like having a clause in the contract that accounts for the progress would be a good middle ground. e.g. if they've not done homework and we're forced to go at a slower pace, we don't continue until they've paid for the extra time. | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-06-Mar-2020#1020224 - dorion, this is the good idea indeed but translating it to practice doesn't seem to be yet fully clear. | [15:36] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-06 13:15:30 dorion: assumes good fatih, but sets explicit expectations and conditions if the expectations aren't met. | [15:36] |
| dorion: | diana_coman I think we should have the clause for groups as well, but agree the practice isn't clear for any groups or one on one. We have a session with our client that owns the language school tomorrow. I'll think about it more and also ask him how they handle it. I know they have situations where students don't even show for the class. | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: well, they are perfectly entitled to pay you for lessons they don't attend, I don't quite see the problem with that in itself; the trouble starts only if your promise is of an end result (and language schools as far as I know are never that foolish to make hard promises on that, heh) | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | this is part of the reason behind my question to jfw above - it's not as much about policing what they do as it is about making sure you don't promise what you can't control in the end. | [15:53] |
| jfw: | sorry to delay diana_coman, trying to get an article finished off, poor scheduling for sure. | [16:12] |
| jfw: | (almost there.) | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | well, I need to go in ~5 minutes anyway. | [16:22] |
| jfw: | hm ok. http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-06-Mar-2020#1020225 - several assignments were done late and several not done at all, which required spending more class time. | [16:24] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-06 15:27:04 diana_coman: jfw: what was the situation re homework on the previous run, both in terms of amount done/not done and in terms of consequences to advancing at the pace you had designed? | [16:24] |
| jfw: | probably 2-3 sessions worth of delay. | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: re timing it's weird that apparently exactly 7pm utc somehow is impossible, either earlier or later works; but anyways, at last minute - that really sounds like you are probably better off without any homework-police and just add the 2-3 sessions extra time by default to give you room; ie give homework for practice but plan for pretty much if they don't do anything. | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | will be back tomorrow. | [16:27] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: I'll spare you the excuses and "buts" coming to mind and get back to showing on time. | [16:36] |
| jfw: | 20 minutes later I'm still feeling down about that fuckup and haven't got another word written. It's like there's a thing that thinks "I can compensate for wasting others' time by wasting more of my own" | [16:50] |
| jfw: | part of the thinking on homework was there will be people who actually won't want to do anything outside class, and we want a separate schedule for them so as not to turn away their money but also not put that cost on the faster ones | [16:54] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-05#1020077 << while I do have an indexer set up over at lobbesblog.com, the quickest way to retrieve an archived link is to just hit archive.is directly. I usually just slap "archive.is/url-I-want-to-check" into my browser and it should redirect to the archive | [20:06] |
| ericbot: | Logged on 2020-03-05 08:03:32 diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-04-Mar-2020#1020087 - ah, perfect then! say I want to see what was in the paste given there - how do I find the link to the bot's archived version? | [20:06] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-04 23:02:37 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-27#1019473 << I missed this earlier, but archiving should already be occurring in this channel. Currently lobbesbot is set to silently snarf urls-to-parse from all channels it sits in, so this channel ought to be covered | [20:06] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-04 16:47:26 BingoBoingo: This is the most recent 'churn3' I've produced http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VxhL | [20:06] |
| ericbot: | Logged on 2020-02-27 13:03:46 diana_coman: lobbes: how does that link-archiving work, can I have it in here too or what does it require? | [20:06] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-06#1020211 << I did indeed miss my update yesterday. I was swallowed up by the saltmines for the majority of this week, but finally I've got most of that work out of the way (for now). Tonight I'm aiming to finally get my testing done.. | [20:06] |
| ericbot: | Logged on 2020-03-06 19:19:09 diana_coman: lobbes: is there a review/update missing from you? | [20:06] |
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