#eulora Logs for 09 Aug 2018



August 9th, 2018 by Diana Coman
danielpbarron: in my experience, dropping the -a will compile the changed .cpp files but not the .h files [00:16]
Mocky: oh, hmm [00:17]
Guest16091: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [00:44]
Guest16091: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [00:44]
Guest16091: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [00:44]
Guest16091: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [00:44]
Guest16091: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [00:44]
Dread11: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [01:48]
Dread11: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [01:48]
Dread11: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [01:48]
Dread11: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [01:48]
Dread11: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [01:49]
d__b: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [02:11]
d__b: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [02:11]
d__b: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [02:11]
d__b: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [02:11]
d__b: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [02:11]
dimi34ka: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [02:14]
dimi34ka: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [02:14]
dimi34ka: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [02:14]
dimi34ka: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [02:15]
dimi34ka: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [02:15]
vectr0n13: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [02:48]
vectr0n13: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [02:48]
vectr0n13: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [02:48]
vectr0n13: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [02:48]
vectr0n13: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [02:48]
diana_coman: Mocky, jam -q client would be to build only changed files; with the caveat that if you change a header file then you really have to run -aq or it makes a mess of it [03:38]
diana_coman: build 29 sounds good [03:39]
mobijubo27: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [06:06]
mobijubo27: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [06:07]
mobijubo27: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [06:07]
mobijubo27: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [06:07]
mobijubo27: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [06:07]
benny: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [06:11]
benny: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [06:11]
Guest41978: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [06:11]
Guest41978: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [06:11]
Guest41978: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [06:11]
timfi: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [06:26]
timfi: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [06:26]
timfi: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [06:26]
timfi: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [06:26]
timfi: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [06:26]
Exaeta: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [07:08]
Exaeta: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [07:08]
Exaeta: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [07:08]
Exaeta: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [07:08]
Exaeta: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [07:08]
CompanionCube2: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [08:58]
CompanionCube2: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [08:58]
CompanionCube2: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [08:58]
CompanionCube2: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [08:58]
CompanionCube2: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [08:58]
GDiaX: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [09:12]
GDiaX: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [09:12]
GDiaX: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [09:12]
GDiaX: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [09:12]
GDiaX: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [09:12]
Guest99045: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [09:26]
Guest99045: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [09:26]
Guest99045: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [09:26]
Guest99045: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [09:26]
Guest99045: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [09:26]
Typhon8: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [09:29]
Typhon8: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [09:29]
Typhon8: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [09:29]
Typhon8: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [09:29]
Typhon8: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [09:29]
richardjohn: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [10:00]
richardjohn: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [10:00]
richardjohn: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [10:00]
richardjohn: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [10:00]
richardjohn: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [10:01]
Mocky: diana_coman, during test run of build 29, bot got an ordinary and now I see what the problem you had was. it's bailing out of the key parsing routine with a "not a key description". I'm putting build 29 on hold for now, and continuing with new bot work. [11:21]
diana_coman: Mocky, is the key description different for ords or why? [11:22]
Mocky: looks like "key to *An* ordinary" vs "key to *A* small" so some such [11:22]
Mocky: i know this worked before, so i must have broke recently [11:23]
diana_coman: ah, ah [11:23]
Mocky: ord strikes for me are like once per ~7 days so this was a lucky find [11:26]
diana_coman: aha, they aren't all that frequent, no [11:42]
Mocky: but now i have logged the full text of key description so can test with simulated ord if not actual ord [11:47]
diana_coman: nice [11:49]
exezin26: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [12:33]
exezin26: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [12:33]
exezin26: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [12:33]
exezin26: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [12:33]
exezin26: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [12:34]
Mocky: diana_coman, I'm having trouble getting new my new files to build. I trimmed them way down to the following and it builds successfully: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sWfmq/?raw=true [13:01]
Mocky: but if I uncomment that include, and those two csString parameters, I get a mile long of compile errors from crystalspace/include/csutil/allocator.h and array.h [13:02]
diana_coman: looks [13:02]
Mocky: i don't understand why it would be trying to compile cs [13:02]
diana_coman: it won't try to compile cs; that allocator.h is probably included but usually this sort of mess appears when you need a full recompile of client (i.e. with aq) [13:03]
Mocky: this is with aq [13:04]
diana_coman: but Mocky anyway: why use csString? [13:04]
diana_coman: honestly, you are way better off getting away from CS then importing it deeper [13:05]
diana_coman: if you need it at interface you can only make csString from std::string or from char* for that matter and the other way around [13:05]
diana_coman: but for new code I can't see ANY reason to use csString [13:06]
diana_coman: can you paste the errors you get? [13:06]
Mocky: i agree, but at some level i'm going to need cs stuff to send and recieve messages, even if its' jsut an small adapter class, but i'll still need to compile that class... [13:07]
diana_coman: paste the errors you got so I can have a look what's there [13:07]
Mocky: i tried to use jam -aq client >> compile.txt but all the errors still went to the console [13:08]
diana_coman: where is this bit of code? [13:08]
Mocky: it's in /foxybot [13:08]
Mocky: im pasting some of the output now.. [13:10]
diana_coman: Mocky, ah, iirc client requires you include some shit in the .cpp files [13:10]
diana_coman: or it'll barf in all ways [13:10]
diana_coman: iirc #include <psconfig.h> [13:10]
diana_coman: #include "globals.h" [13:10]
Mocky: ah ok, i'll try what's in foxybot.cpp [13:10]
Mocky: worx! [13:12]
Mocky: thanks [13:12]
diana_coman: yay, np! [13:14]
Mocky: what i'd like is the bot to be a separate thing with no cs or ps stuff. and isolate all that stuff in a single file. however i don't think it's wise for me to start there because I'm so fuckign clueless still. i think it's better to get it working and then separate [13:18]
Mocky: i don't mean things like csString, i won't litter the code with that stuff, but like psMessageCracker and all the subclasses like psViewContainerDescription messages. if i don't use them directly i'll need to basically duplicate them and then convert between [13:22]
ThiefMaster2: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [13:24]
ThiefMaster2: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [13:24]
ThiefMaster2: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [13:24]
Mocky: and that extra layer of indirection is a lot for me to take on at once while i'm learning c++ pointers and references and all that [13:24]
ThiefMaster2: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [13:24]
ThiefMaster2: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [13:24]
Mocky: so i'm thinking use the psViewContainerDescription.SendMessage() and the handleMessage(MSGTYPE_VIEW_CONTAINER) initially, and then factor those things out after [13:26]
Colti26: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times? [13:59]
Colti26: This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes. [13:59]
Colti26: Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence? [13:59]
Colti26: Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936 [13:59]
Colti26: Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/ [13:59]
diana_coman: Mocky, initial bot was quite isolated from client - that's precisely the role of worldHandler [14:32]
diana_coman: unfortunately at that time I did not realise that CS was also as bad as client [14:32]
diana_coman: and moreover in time some ps crept in [14:32]
diana_coman: but you could push stuff back into worldhandler essentially [14:32]
diana_coman: and keep that as the only layer/interface with ps/client [14:33]
Mocky: that sounds good [14:33]
diana_coman: you could pass messages to worldhandler too and then simply make it return the bits and pieces you want from it [14:34]
Mocky: nods [14:34]
diana_coman: there will inevitably be some sort of duplication of stuff but perhaps not all that much [14:34]
diana_coman: at any rate, think of it this way too: if you can make this work, afterwards in principle the focus would be on implementing the new, sane communication protocol [14:35]
diana_coman: which gets rid of all those psmessage shit [14:35]
Mocky: true [14:37]
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