| diana_coman: | Top8, http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/05/03/quest-for-the-crafty-noob/ | [03:19] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, I can give you some bits o' nothing too | [03:21] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, is it still q16 you want the grass? I'll mix another batch today | [03:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes | [03:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | trade diana_coman | [03:36] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [03:36] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, trade? | [03:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 5 * 9999 * .67 * 180 * 1.4 | [03:37] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 5 * 9999 * .67 * 180 * 1.4 = 8441155.799999999 | [03:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | +1.6mn for the auciton | [03:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty | [03:38] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [03:38] |
| diana_coman: | this should make some reasonable amount of sb | [03:39] |
| diana_coman: | if only noob would stop getting jammed on it, ugh | [03:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. don't burn it all on sb though, im out of cft. | [03:39] |
| diana_coman: | kk; I got the 2nd noob a bit off the ground so he'll be on grass | [03:40] |
| diana_coman: | ftr ~700k to get building to 128 and gathering to 43 | [03:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 700k what, cft bv ? | [04:04] |
| diana_coman: | 700ecu, lol | [04:05] |
| diana_coman: | 700k ecu | [04:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah you mean training fees ? | [04:06] |
| diana_coman: | yes, training fees alone; although fwiw they...don't quite seem to be identical for everyone if I look at fox vs noob1 vs noob2 | [04:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [04:06] |
| diana_coman: | or maybe not identical at different times? no idea | [04:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [04:07] |
| diana_coman: | ha, noob 2 just got his first ord, yay; I think I'll set this as criteria for "off-the-ground noob" | [04:09] |
| diana_coman: | lvl 2 in noobishness: getting an ord with a basic tool | [04:09] |
| Top8: | Mornings! I have come across the diana_coman's blog, yes :-) Still part of it (and this last conversation in the chat) are still beyond my understanding hehe | [06:42] |
| Top8: | Im surely a noob, but not sure if a dedicated one as my time is limited. But i will log again today and will try to step up my game a little further. Im sure this will not be my last question in here hehe. | [06:43] |
| shinohai: | Welcome Top8 o/ | [06:48] |
| Top8: | ty ty :-) | [06:49] |
| shinohai: | I've been playing off and on for nearly a year, still a noob myself. always something to learn here. | [06:50] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, that post in particular is basically a 1st quest to do - to get you started a bit | [06:54] |
| diana_coman: | but take it easy and give yourself time | [06:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | dropped to 19 ach per gt ;/ | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-15.log.html#t10:43:39 << dedicated means putting a little effort every day/week over a long period of time. the problem generally is that people want to spend 10 hours a day playing for 3 days, which doesn't work so well with eulora. | [10:00] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-15 10:43:39: <Top8> Im surely a noob, but not sure if a dedicated one as my time is limited. But i will log again today and will try to step up my game a little further. Im sure this will not be my last question in here hehe. | [10:00] |
| danielpbarron: | lol, "Truman asks to trade with you." while i'm out building a remark | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | hi Top8 | [12:07] |
| diana_coman: | how's it going? | [12:07] |
| Top8: | Hi Diana | [12:10] |
| Top8: | Having a really nice chat with Daniel | [12:10] |
| diana_coman: | cool | [12:10] |
| Top8: | lots of info for this poor empty casket xD | [12:11] |
| Top8: | Apparently the unused keys havent turned into Little Bit of Nothings, so im unable to make a boulder :-) | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | eh, I did tell you to find foxy and ask her to trade so she'll give you some.. | [12:14] |
| Top8: | yeah, just today i figured how to "find" foxy ;-) | [12:22] |
| Top8: | The meantime has been job and family and oh my, you know. :-) | [12:23] |
| danielpbarron: | you're talking to her | [12:23] |
| Top8: | hm? | [12:23] |
| danielpbarron: | foxy | [12:23] |
| Top8: | oh the seller you pointed me? | [12:23] |
| danielpbarron: | man when is that skydragon guy gonna come back, he's got a bunch of my tools | [12:23] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [12:24] |
| danielpbarron: | those coords were near Electron who is an NPC | [12:24] |
| Top8: | oki | [12:24] |
| danielpbarron: | but i don't recommend selling your enums to him. i think he'll round down to 0 | [12:24] |
| danielpbarron: | shouldn't sell anything to him really. he's mostly for injecting stuff into the game, and that's for players with lots of cash usually | [12:24] |
| Top8: | hm i will do both trips, foxy and that guy, i need to keep testing, anyway. | [12:25] |
| danielpbarron: | foxy is probably at the town looking place with the fire and the buildings and weird portal | [12:25] |
| Top8: | ok back to the game, im sure i will be here again soon with some other stupid question haha | [12:25] |
| Top8: | *waves* | [12:25] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of the portal, i /explored in that place the other day, found a couple claims, one of them right near the portal. i built it from back in the real world! | [12:27] |
| danielpbarron: | you can see the claim stick in the portal from one side, and it's not there on the other! very trippy | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | good portal. | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | so i have some other-worldly flotsam | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | it was invisible in the claim, but appeared when i clicked "move to inventory" | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, Foxy is my character in game, lol | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, atm she's close to Spirover, exploring | [12:38] |
| Top8: | yeah, im toying with the command /pilot and "Foxy" but the system answers Nada. | [12:40] |
| Top8: | Spirover is a location? Should i go there with any specific command? | [12:40] |
| Top8: | I think i have found you, Diana. But out of sheer luck. How can i find you on a regular basis? Daniel told me friend system is buggy | [12:48] |
| danielpbarron: | how do you find people anywhere else? | [12:50] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, the /pilot command only turns your character towards the given coords | [12:52] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't move you, nor does it find people as such, you need to give it coordinates | [12:52] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, you can simply ask me in here for coords , just use my full irc nick so I get a notification as I'm not always looking otherwise | [12:53] |
| diana_coman: | Spirover is the NPC close to where Foxy is now | [12:53] |
| diana_coman: | you can set to see the labels on entities | [12:53] |
| Top8: | *studies carefully the last 6 sentences* Ok, i will try to find how to set a label for Spirover so as its an NPC, he will be always in the same place? | [13:04] |
| Top8: | and diana_coman gotcha, i will ask next time for coords. I will try to find you now *finding first* this Spirover guy. I will consider it a mini quest haha. | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, no, I meant look through the options of the client (the cog icon) - you can toggle on/off showing of labels | [13:05] |
| Top8: | aah ok | [13:07] |
| Top8: | diana_coman nvm, found you. i toggled on the labels, is easier, yes. I must assume all NPCs stay always in the same place? | [13:08] |
| diana_coman: | for now they stay at same place, yes | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [13:40] |
| mihi: | hello all :) | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ello | [13:55] |
| mihi: | by the way diana_coman danielpbarron, do you know if it is possible for an unskilled/untrained noob to find better bitterbean claims? I had a look at some old "satellite view" eulora maps/screenshots, but the positions there I was not very successful | [13:56] |
| mihi: | only found nests, branches, grass and boulders so far | [13:56] |
| mihi: | and danielpbarron, do you have a better map for better bitterbeans perhaps (like the ones you uploaded to the wiki?) | [13:56] |
| Birdman: | possible and probable are two different things | [13:56] |
| Birdman: | and it depends highly on what tool you would be using | [13:57] |
| mihi: | ah ok, I have to be more precise. Is there a (known) strategy to get a viable (>0.1\% or so) chance to find better bitterbeans as a bare-handed untrained noob? | [13:57] |
| Birdman: | if you want the beans explore on top of that goop looking pool thing that was always my go-to spot for them | [13:57] |
| Birdman: | i mean the strategy is to rank up to increase that \% chance lol | [13:58] |
| Birdman: | its not like there are variations of the /explore command, right now anyways | [13:58] |
| mihi: | ok, thanks Birdman for the feedback. | [13:58] |
| mihi: | only variation is the spot where you are, as far as I see :) | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | mihi possibly not within noob's purview to find non-basics. it's not very clear. in any case no known strategy to find bbb bh. | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you merely need them for a different purpose i can sell you some. | [13:59] |
| mihi: | by the way, did that Sky noob manage to build his craft table? | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think so. | [13:59] |
| mihi: | he got his beans from diaan? | [13:59] |
| mihi: | *diana | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc. | [13:59] |
| Birdman: | i have a few k q4 bbb | [14:00] |
| Birdman: | if you want some for frees | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i recall hanbot found a large stash of tpt as a noob, but obviously no strategy for it -- else she'd have done it agfain | [14:00] |
| mihi: | because boulders really suck if you don't have a craft table. The base value I get per claim (around 10-12 coppers) is not higher than other basics, but they are really heavy so I have to walk to one of the NPCs after each built claim... | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | try different place though ? find grass or rf or something ligther | [14:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | sr, cr, many options | [14:01] |
| mihi: | I found grass, nest, boulder, branch so far. and everything else is lighter than boulder. I just decided not to let them decay without using them | [14:02] |
| mihi: | by the way Top8, if you did not get bits so far, don't expect your keys to decay before Wed next week (unless Daniel crashes the server again with a build) | [14:03] |
| Birdman: | i think your best bet is to buy what you need in the meantime and figure a way to have the bot perpetually bh explore purely for enums, ord+ claims, and the experience, and dont bother building tinies and smalls till later on | [14:03] |
| Birdman: | ranking building comes second imo and would be much more cost effective to build claims that were madde with higher gathering considering claims do have quality | [14:04] |
| Birdman: | i saw a graphical glitch a few times where i saw my claim in my inventory before the player dropped it and saw its quality | [14:05] |
| mihi: | by the way, I can say that when keys decay while I am logged on, they will often (in >90\% certainty) leave 2 bits of nothing oon top of another. If they decay while the server is restarted or while I'm not logged on, it never happened to me. But probably not interesting for you high profile players, only for casual non-dedicated noob like me... | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy it while it lasts. | [14:08] |
| mihi: | :) | [14:08] |
| mihi: | no need to do an emergency update. | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol k. | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, the craft i've been doing for the past 4 hours is a q 3610 click on grubsilk thread bundle (16k or so base value). just the bv decay of tools involved, without counting any market price anything, would be about 2500 or so lbn q11. | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | check it out, 8 players online | [14:10] |
| Birdman: | that a record? | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think it might be yea | [14:11] |
| Birdman: | lets make it 9 | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol cool | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | mircea foxy daniel korgan grenadine wyrd will mihi truman. 9. | [14:12] |
| mihi: | one more and the server will crash due to digit overflow? :D | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | the difference between theory and practice doesn't exist in theory, just in practice. | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, I can't say 100\% certain, but if my maps are any good, I'd say it's highly highly unlikely you'll find bb with no skill whatsoever; precisely why I give noobs the beans for their craft-table | [14:17] |
| mihi: | diana_coman, did you forget the 2 stone q1000 in the craft table? | [14:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [14:23] |
| Top8: | mihi , thanks, Diana helped me on that. I will experiment with my bits later :-) | [14:31] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, darn, the bot must have used the public table instead of own table; sigh; thanks | [14:45] |
| diana_coman: | ha, there are 8 players online, lol | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, come now to town/Heina and I can give you the things | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, you can have those too if you want them | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | I mean the things for making a craft-table | [16:04] |
| mihi: | !~eu.town | [16:06] |
| jhvh1: | mihi: Error: "eu.town" is not a valid command. | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | around -34 310 | [16:07] |
| mihi: | yeah found it in the eulora logs, thanks :) | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec to take stuff out | [16:10] |
| mihi: | did not know that Heina invented teleportation - I can unstore what I gave Spirover to store :) | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | trade foxy, mihi | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha; but yes, atm there is only one storage that you can access from either heina or spirover | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | quite useful for transporting between old and new town, yeah | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | that should do it | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | click on the bag mihi | [16:12] |
| mihi: | have the grass already, thanks :) | [16:12] |
| mihi: | thank you :) | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | let me know if you get any feelingses, kind of curious | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | yw | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you around for another table of grass? | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | darn just started another craft | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman alrighty. | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | no rush | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | lol, we are too far away to trade and I started another craft too | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | so it'll have to wait | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. got like 8-9 hours with this | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | noobs still have bundles and fox still has some cft so no rush | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | re sb | [16:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i can help facilitate a trade, what's that go for? | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly worth something in principle, but not much in this case. | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | I already have ~14k but not sure whether you prefer it as high q as possible or it works around 130q and more of it | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | eh, if it comes to that I can draft in a noob,lol | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | 130 works ok. | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | high q would be 300+ | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | no real difference between 230 and 130 for me. | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | so then I'll mix it further; I have about one stack 208q | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | ye | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | k, so I'll mix it down to 130q then and that should make some more woa I suppose | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | as with the cft though, I really want to buy the resulting woa | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully I can then finally start making and selling numina too | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | as mihi noticed, Fox CAN get 1000q but obv 2 items at a time sort of thing, not exactly industrial scale, lol | [16:32] |
| mihi: | got one craft table q329 and nothing else, no feelings(es) | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | did you notice by any chance what q was the bundle you made? | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | anyway craft-table is just as good regardless of q :) | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | in principle ima make a lot of woa. | [16:36] |
| mihi: | nope, sorry. did not pay attention to it (neither for the cft nor for the table). I was a bit irritated why the ingredients were covered in wool but then figured out that was the icon for a bundle :D | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, in principle I'm fine to sell on open market some sb too once I get at least some woa to be able to actually do lapidary, lol | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, no worries, it's more my curiosity, not much to it | [16:37] |
| mihi: | but I have a wireshark log of the session. If it is in plaintext, I can probably figure it out :D | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | on one hand i'm pretty sure you'll get 2x your bv as customary ; on the other given the cft experience i don't expect there actually is a market larger than my production so. kinda moot. | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah,covered in wool I suppose is one way of putting it; for the cft the bundle was most probably same q as the grass you used | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I wouldn't really compare cft with woa but maybe you are right | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty sure i am, but we see. | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, if you enjoy it, go ahead but otherwise don't sweat it really | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [16:41] |
| mihi: | diana_coman, I found the psViewItemUpdate (msgtype=30) message for the craft table bundle, both with clearSlot=0 and clearSlot=1, but neither contained a quality? I'm not even sure, I think the craft table did not show the quality of the items inside? | [16:58] |
| mihi: | and no I did not open a details dialog | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | mihi, yes, containers don't show the q; I added q at last client update | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | but I think I added it for inv only | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | no worries | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | you can probably calculate it if you are interested, but kind of overkill | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | more like training exercises than anything | [17:00] |
| mihi: | yes, with psGUIInventoryMessage (msgtype=23) there are itemQualities inside | [17:00] |
| mihi: | so no bundle qualities for you :) | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | hhe | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | huh what? i want WoA too | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | and i would find it hard to believe you can make more than what i alone could use | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | really ? you saying you want thousands of the things ? | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 450*6 | [17:19] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 450*6 = 2700 | [17:19] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | sooo, noob goes to dig grass and digs and digs; only grass; for days on end; smalls of grass each and every time and nothing else; and now...sm ord, lmao | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lucky noob | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron flagons may become a problem, but we see. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | in any case you'll get 20x the bv of your bps, so there's that. | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | both of those guys are clearly waaaay luckier than foxy, it's somehow a completely different ballgame, lol | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you want sb too? | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | not particularily | [17:54] |
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