| hanbot: | cool deal | [00:04] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I don't sell samovars, no | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | AUCTION: 1500 cft 146q opening 800k; ETA 2 Feb 8pm gmt | [08:10] |
| danielpbarron: | 800k diana_coman | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | AUCTION: 1500 cft 146q, 800k heard from danielpbarron ; ETA 2 Feb 8pm gmt | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1500 * 180 * 1.46 | [09:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1500 * 180 * 1.46 = 394200 | [09:36] |
| danielpbarron: | oh shit, containers of any quality stack | [09:40] |
| danielpbarron: | <3 | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, did you take that container from another container/at craft? | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | hm? | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | oh, now i can't stack some | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. there exceptionally won't be a server downtime today. | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | we'll do more changes next week. | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, it's a bit of work in progress that part: at the moment it won't stack if you pick it up from the ground | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | it will stack if you take it with take all/take stack all | [09:45] |
| danielpbarron: | how can i get a container into a position where that is possible? | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | i somehow have 7 samovars stacked | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | they are used | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | and there was defo some mixing | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | where what is possible? | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | where i can "take and stack all" containers | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | so that it would say, take all samovars and stack them | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | but that's not how i stacked mine | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | so how did you stack yours then? | [09:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i picked up 1 of quality x and dropped it on a pile of quality y and it became a mixed pile of quality z | [09:55] |
| danielpbarron: | picked up from inventory | [09:55] |
| danielpbarron: | and dropped in inventory | [09:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i had just picked it up from the "ground" and just after its final craft had finished | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | hm, so you picked it up from the ground and it did not mix, as expected, right? | [09:56] |
| danielpbarron: | right | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | then you took it from inv and dropped it on the other stack of samovars in inv and then it mixed? | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | but i can't repeat this | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | sigh; as I said: it's work in progress there | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | it happened at least once before, because somehow i had this pile in the first place | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | and it seems unlikely to me that 2 samovars would start with the same quality, to end on the same quality | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know if 3k samovars have been made yet for this to be a more likely event | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean 3k samovars? | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | it's almost 3k per click | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | 2 samovars starting with same q and used up should end up same , no? | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | but that's beside the point here | [09:59] |
| danielpbarron: | so ~3k different remainders when dividing | [09:59] |
| danielpbarron: | right, so i mean it's not likely for them to have same starting quality in the first place | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | atm there are a few cases when the mixing is a bit relaxed but it's still work in progress, so don't rely on it yet | [09:59] |
| danielpbarron: | so if i click around enough maybe i can stack all my samovars? | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | gradually it will be brought to a reasonable place where things CAN be mixed but you decide what to mix | [10:00] |
| danielpbarron: | or was the recent crafting to do with it? | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, I suppose that is one appraoch, clicking around - it's perfectly fine anyway | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | well, crafting is a sort of click too | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | most likely the crafting had to do with it though, yes | [10:00] |
| danielpbarron: | hmmmm | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, feel free to play with it, but there are no guarantees as to stacking atm | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wd foxy | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | ha, a wpl remark | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman btw the chat shows it rounded, 4.000 | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | top shows it 4.70 | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | more or less round as it were, lol | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 5 stacks lbn, q 237, opening 2mn. ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART. | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~ the esteemed audience is cordially invited not to act the asshole now that lbn is being offered and spuriously predent like it's abundant, only to spend the remainder of the year whining about wanting to buy lbn and how they're waiting for lbn. either buy it now or stfu ~ | [10:21] |
| danielpbarron: | 2 mn | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 5 stacks lbn, q 237, 2mn heard danielpbarron . ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART. | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron got 12 aw g 136. want it ? | [10:25] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | should i make moar ? | [10:26] |
| danielpbarron: | what are you selling it for? | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaa | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 35880 * 12 * 1.36 * 2.52 | [10:27] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 35880 * 12 * 1.36 * 2.52 = 1475615.2320000003 | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can pick this up right now if you want to. | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll take it | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | and would buy more | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite ima go get some wwbs then | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | trade moi | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman hm ? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | tyvm danielpbarron | [10:29] |
| danielpbarron: | ty | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | had fun with the esteemed audience thing | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well. everyone's all "oh, lbn makes money" then expect to buy it at i dunno, 300\%. fucking lbn. gimme a break. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | the supply is so drastically constrained... | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | is calculating re lbn as last time she bought stacks and stacks she did not regret it AT ALL | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, people suck at pricing. i'm starting to believe it's the #1 characteristic of the species. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | in fact -- i'm starting to think the only sane definition of what "everyone knows" as emotion is exactly this : the aggregate muck and gunk that prevents correct pricing. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | much like there's a word for gunk in an engine there is a word for gunk in a head. | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, what everyone knows is by definition rather doomed to be largely irrelevant unless things really don't change at all - by the time everyone finally gets the memo, most of it is lost on the way and meanwhile it probably doesn't apply anymore anyway | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yet the emotion thing is invariant across cultures and times. | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention it is "knows" rather than knows there | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | by emotion thing you mean "it's safe and cuddly to go with what everyone knows"? | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda what the mpex accounting tongue in cheek refers to as "intangibles" for this reason. "you spent 5mn on your wife, do you have a wife worth 5mn ?" "no, i have a 20 dollar bitch and 5mn worth of sentiments". | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman nope, i mean everything. humiliation, elation, everything in between, all everyone ever "feels" is obtained through taking two values, diffing them, and allocating a name to the result. | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's after the fact, see, not before. the emotion is what you CALL the heading. | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite literally tokenized as in the results of the craft. | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i went in with 100k worth of materials and got out 20k worth of the tool i was making + 80k worth of TINKERER'S SENTIMENTS!!1" | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron found your 1 rotten fruit ty was delishius :D | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | yw | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | lots of little freebees out there. eulora is the best faucet around really | [10:36] |
| danielpbarron: | sometimes the bot won't put a thing in the container and if i see this happen i'll just drop it rather than risk it mixing with a different quality | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i drop odds and ends now and again for all sorts of reasons. | [10:37] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes, q 183 rf, lessee | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 80 * 1.83 * 1.5 | [10:37] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 80 * 1.83 * 1.5 = 219.60000000000002 | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | 219 satoshi yep, just about faucetish | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | 3mn on the lbn mircea_popescu | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 5 stacks lbn, q 237, 3mn heard diana_coman . ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART. | [10:39] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, 3.25 mn | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | I'm not sure I fully grasp the theory re emotion there | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | 4mn | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 5 stacks lbn, q 237, 4mn heard diana_coman . ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART. | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow just got rf with stick! | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | judging by how rarely one CAN get basics with a stick that sounds positive | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman let's work it with reference to dream states. a dream state differs from the waking state in that there not being an objective reality to keep the entropy clock (see here also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-28#1609142 ) the brain is stuck doing the timekeeping. and what the brain does is on-demand timekeeping, which is to say that IF you ask about symbol X, THEN the antecessor AX of symbol X is produced ; and if yo | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | u ask of AX, THEN AAX is produced. AAX does not exist beforfe AX, but comes after AX ; it's not AAX that defines and creates AX nor AX that flows necessarily from AAX but vice-versa. | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | now then. in this structure, we can understand "emotion" or "feeling" : it's not what CAUSES an action, behaviour, activity, whatever phenomena, but how the phenomena IS EXPLAINED. after the fact. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not "i love my wife therefore i spend a dollar on her" but "since i already spent the dollar let's call it love". | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | the example with the wife is rare ; in general it's more like "it's not that i'm lazy because i don't like math ; it's that since i'm lazy anyway may as well call it not liking math". entirely the economy of internal self-indulgence. | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is why once confronted with the stick, and the very strict "you'll either math OR DIE" they struggle ~against the question~ (in torquemada's acception of what "the question" is, let us put them to the question) while that lasts ; but once it is no longer feasible to keep up the struggle... they... like math. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but not before. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | before, it's all "our democracy". | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I don't think that follows as such because decision is not baked-in; what you describe is likely the path of least resistance and therefore the most commonly seen meaning that emotion marks a hole and easiest to fill the hole is by "calling it love/not liking maths" but this doesn't mean that emotion WAS the hole - I think it's just the marker; (I already tried to write on the topic recently http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01 | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | /25/feelings-are-helpful-but-not-for-idiots/) | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you're calling misnomer ? ie, just because idiot calls clay pot porcelain doth not follow porcelain dun exist ? | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | I do | [10:51] |
| diana_coman: | at the same time I admit I can't claim I have proof as in mathematically sound proof | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i see no argument. after all, if they can't just up and call whatever it is they happen to be doing "politics" or "scholarship" or "speaking latin" just on the flimsy strength of "that's what they happen to be doing", why exactly would we call emotion what they happen to be doing ? | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | turns out that most walkers today are in dire need of a sentimental education, along with everything else. they can't math nor can feel. | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | in typical fashion, the codicil is there from the get-go : "the only sane definition of what "everyone knows" as emotion" | [10:59] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect this also has something to do with the old observation that "they don't have feelings" - not in the sense that they can't claim to "feel" this or that, cry or whatever, but in this deeper sense of something else than a name for ...basically convenience I suppose | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | which ends up in what was discussed underneath the sociopathy article : yes, "sociopaths" aka actual people can't possibly love the muggles aka "our democracy" pretend-people. for the same reason you can't love a cow, there's nothing there. | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | quite, yes | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | one can be fond of a cow though, so "fond of" works, sure | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | indeed. | [11:03] |
| Birdman2: | heavy stuff | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | AUCTION: 1500 cft 146q, 800k heard from danielpbarron ; ETA 2 Feb 8pm gmt | [13:58] |
| Birdman2: | 900k diana_coman | [13:59] |
| diana_coman: | AUCTION: 1500 cft 146q, 900k heard from Birdman2 ; ETA 2 Feb 8pm gmt | [13:59] |
| danielpbarron: | 945k | [14:01] |
| Birdman2: | 1mn | [14:02] |
| diana_coman: | AUCTION: 1500 cft 146q, 1mn heard from Birdman ; ETA 2 Feb 8pm gmt | [14:02] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, selling lapidary considerations? | [14:32] |
| Birdman: | AUCTION: 1 MS q132902 Starting bid 266k ETA: tomorrw 3PM | [14:45] |
| danielpbarron: | 266k | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | AUCTION: 1 MS q132902 266k heard danielpbarron ETA: tomorrw 3PM | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu can i sell you these beans per shop and buy some cs at the same time? | [14:47] |
| Birdman: | I have 1147 rr q295 if anyone is looking for 140\%, 317k | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I'll take those rickety reeds | [15:09] |
| Birdman: | sounds good, are you in town now? | [15:09] |
| diana_coman: | will be in ~5 min | [15:10] |
| Birdman: | alright ill come afterthis ord | [15:11] |
| Birdman: | took me forever to even render it because theres so many claims here lol | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | I'm in town Birdman | [15:15] |
| Birdman: | omw | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, Birdman are you on the moon? | [15:30] |
| Birdman: | so close, my computer spazzed and i had to relog, i figured it was 50/50 i got to town before you said somethin | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 5 stacks lbn, q 237, 4mn heard diana_coman . ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART. | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman yeah but out mining now, will be in town in a few hgours | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron ima look in store when i get to town | [15:32] |
| Birdman: | i will have to break a coin for change quick diana_coman | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [15:32] |
| Birdman: | thanks and enjoy, those are some nice reeds | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | I'll make them into ma | [15:32] |
| Birdman: | sounds good and mircea_popescu if you have any pre-mixed sticks left i need about 60352 extra quality so maybe 3 sticks at like 40.2k or somethin | [15:35] |
| Birdman: | if possible/convenient | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | fraid not but i'll take your broken ones. | [15:35] |
| Birdman: | im not really needing the coppers they're worth, so if i can *eventually* end up using them i dont mind holding onto them | [15:36] |
| Birdman: | and if you would take them back at the same markup i paid i'd do that too | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes | [15:37] |
| Birdman: | alright cool | [15:37] |
| Birdman: | will take 7.2mn in sticks, have 8'113'655 in beans 14955 bb q153, so 120 sticks 920k and ill give you the 6400 change ping when around im just gonna idle in town | [15:43] |
| Birdman: | i gotta give that spot time to breathe and get rid of some claims anyways, i get full seconds of lag soon as i go near it lol | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, i'll take the toves | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, ok, I'll get back to town when this cs finishes | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, ready | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | tomorrow then | [16:58] |
| Birdman: | I suppose i'll run these next sticks into beans as well, unless i can find the correct spot to find LH, just trying to use the bundles i have | [17:56] |
| Birdman: | i could go after some berries, but when i tried at first i got nothing but wpl claims and gave up | [17:57] |
| Birdman: | its funny though cause the two spots i tried gave me only one type, maybe i can take 10-20 sticks and run it in a straight line over that area and get a better idea of where to hit with the sticks, assuming one spot only will give me one resource type at my current level | [17:58] |
| Birdman: | definitely gonna go see what i get from the DM spot though first | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | don't scout out with sticks | [17:59] |
| Birdman: | theres just always some 5 pronged answer to these problems | [17:59] |
| Birdman: | my gathering level and sticks being two | [18:00] |
| Birdman: | i get totally different results with the different tools | [18:00] |
| Birdman: | i know for a fact the two spots i tried have more than just bb and just wpl, but over 100 sticks those are the only two i got | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | so if i can burn 20 of them to figure out where exactly to use the next 200 or w/e, its definitely +ev | [18:01] |
| shinohai: | diana_coman had me dig in this spot with like 50 sticks ... 100\% Elusive Purple Snails | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | not to mention its not completely a waste or anything, the worst part of it is i have no threads so it'll be more keys to store and keep track of | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | ahha thats disheartening shinohai, in my gathering experiences the worse of a gatherer you are, the more you can rely on small sample size results :/ | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | i used to get 100\% ords from sticks, till i got better at it | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | have i fallen so far behind in the gathering ranking i wonder? i know i used to be 3rd best | [18:03] |
| Birdman: | and for the record diana_coman i'd pay you to use your sticks lol | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | _lord_of_mars_ hello ? | [20:32] |
| _lord_of_mars_: | sir? | [20:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, did you want an account to play eulora ? | [20:34] |
| _lord_of_mars_: | yes sir | [20:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | gimme a minute. | [20:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | _lord_of_mars_ http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/899Lv/?raw=true | [20:38] |
| _lord_of_mars_: | is it natural to have openal32.dll missing error? | [21:10] |
| _lord_of_mars_: | or my comp is just trash. | [21:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think it happens sometimes but doesn't atm hinder the game. | [21:10] |
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