| diana_coman: | morning | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | heh, nice work shinohai | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | you around? | [03:17] |
| shinohai: | gm diana_coman I am now | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola! | [07:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman if you wish to trade for my q298 cft i can take some | [07:34] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, now? | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what is an ord worth to you? | [08:19] |
| diana_coman: | I'm still quite at a loss as to how to price claims | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugh. what kind ? | [08:19] |
| shinohai: | O hiya diana_coman I'll be right there. | [08:19] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> diana_coman if you wish to trade for my q298 cft i can take some <- was this about the eps ords or did I get this wrong? | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | o no, i just have high q cft which i'm using indiferently. if anyone's desperate for it specifically i can trade for other cft | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | ah, ah | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | eg. if trying to overcraft you know. | [08:21] |
| diana_coman: | I made some 1k+ q grass :D | [08:21] |
| shinohai: | O.o | [08:21] |
| diana_coman: | currently going the other way and making some 47q cft rather | [08:22] |
| diana_coman: | if anyone needs this sort | [08:22] |
| shinohai: | I'll likely need some my next mining foray | [08:22] |
| diana_coman: | sure shinohai | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, mining is very sensitive to quality. from experience i do about 5k tool hits overnight, of which like say 1500 smalls. if these smalls get 1 cft q 100 reach, that's 270k input ; if they get 7 cft q 300 each, that's 5.7mn input ie 21x. the c | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | the tool cost of the run is only like 600k or so, and therefore i can go between say 1 and 6mn worth of mining overnight | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie mine one week's worth in a day | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, but the output is also quite visibly linked to input | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | the only trouble with mining is that there is relatively little room for adjusting beyond the q for smalls so cft; given that remark are quite rare even with cs and there is no other higher q tool that's about all the adjustment there is | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | I DID make some 700+ q ord bundles for sg I think | [08:25] |
| shinohai: | hopes one day a keyring is crafted in this world, to make key storage less a pita | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [08:29] |
| shinohai: | Enjoy the escargo diana_coman | [08:29] |
| shinohai: | *escargot | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | aha; did you enjoy that? | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | might do it again on some wpl or the like | [08:29] |
| shinohai: | That was interesting for sure . | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | is your gathering close to 90 now? | [08:30] |
| shinohai: | oh shit I forgot ... I forgot to lock one of the claims evidently so it turned into lbn, so deduct accordingly | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | awww | [08:30] |
| shinohai: | I'm @ 66 gathering | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | so 50 cs gave you about 20 levels only? | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [08:31] |
| shinohai: | It took like 2-3 claims before it ranked me up each time. | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ok, but this adjustment is from 1x to 6x. | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh; I thought below 100 it still went faster than that, but apparently not | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | and another important angle is, that if i mine a week in a day i use x tools, but if i mine a day in a week i use 6x as many tools. that's 6x as many bps in that line. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | huge savings by mining intensively. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, if i gotta supply 1mn worth of mining stuff, i'd rather supply it as cft 180\% than as sa bps, 1000\%. | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I totally agree with that (and I usually do exactly that) | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently im slow. | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | I was just moaning a bit out of frustration that I can't level up faster even when I use cs and basically there is nothing else I can do to make it faster | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, what i'm saying mostly is based on my experience mining grass. i'm getting you know, 60-70\% grass here. and otherwise sb and sr, none of which are useless in high qr. | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | sounds good | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well every speeding dial eventually hits a bump lol | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | you know,I'm still basically higher in level in *tinkering* of which I do/did waaaay less | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | that's why it's so frustrating | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone's a tinker. | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | and I'm not even talking of farming (which is a total other pain) but plain gathering | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | oh really? how's that? | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah my lumberjack is still low ;/ | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | from what I see quite the opposite: everyone is a gatherer | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | that also. | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | tinkering it's mainly yo | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | you | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | pats his tinkerbelly. | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | heh, quite | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | will call you tinkerbell | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | :p | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | might be of course that it's simply because of the unbalanced demand: one gatherer can not provide enough supply overall for sure; atm one tinkerer seems to be enough though | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i seem to spend about 3x of my time gathering as i do tinkering in this grass loop | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman of course, you understand what this all means... | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | now i want the bot to do 7 threads on some buyt not all finds. | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | so change it so that it makes that :p | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the logical step would be a config file with values per type, and the command line to work as default if not found in file. | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | yadda yadda | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | :p | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [08:57] |
| shinohai: | I changed mine to use only 5 | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai care to implement the config file ? :) | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, the number of threads CAN be set from the command if you want the same for all small claims | [08:58] |
| shinohai: | I mean all I did was change my shortcuts.xml file | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | it's when you want it different for different claims that bot needs update | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | the code's pretty well separated so this isn't the end of teh world. | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough right from the start I actually designed it with a whole CONFIG window in game | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | because myeah, clearly needed | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd rather it be a file tbh. | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | but sure, config window also works. | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | but then focused ofc on the core of it and then it grew | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | what was the snag with that ? | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | it already pops a status window anyway. | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | the point was to have config window to set them easily - other than that it would save them in a file anyway | [08:59] |
| shinohai: | wants irc in chat window, hasn't figured out how to do it yet | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai how about this : you make a nice config file/pop-up window for the bot, including "how many threads per each type of small, and what default if not specified" and including such things, and i'll give you a nice trove of things. | [09:00] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, just that figuring out one window was not easy by itself, then figuring out BUTTONS in window and all that was something on top and THEN there were tons of things to do/figure out at the core functionality rather than dicking around with config | [09:00] |
| shinohai: | kk I will look into that. Would be a nice thing to have. | [09:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm thinking here... lessee... a bundle of chetty sticks ? or a pile of pickaxes ? something like that. | [09:03] |
| shinohai: | pickaxes are amongst my latest coveted game item after using last batch. | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | lol shinohai ; want to buy some of the hoes? | [09:04] |
| shinohai: | Sure how much? | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | same markup as for the pickaxes, let me see | [09:09] |
| shinohai: | is going to have to get a job to support his Eulora habit | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahaha | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 2.9*45822 | [09:11] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 2.9*45822 = 132883.8 | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, that's for one cruddy hoe at 45822 durability | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | let me know how many you want | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | fortunately for shinohai eulora coding jobs abound :D | [09:12] |
| shinohai: | lemme try 3 for now diana_coman ... last mining run tapped me out on coppers and I still need to gather more for auction | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | sure, come find foxy at the snail farm whenever convenient | [09:14] |
| shinohai: | kk be there shortly | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | dupa melci | [09:16] |
| shinohai: | The leaning tower of Foxy http://i.imgur.com/HPT118a.jpg?1 | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | lol, yeah, sometimes it stands at weird angles | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | trade me shinohai | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | accept | [09:23] |
| shinohai: | like how he cam magically float around by pressing pause | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai you lost your table. | [09:40] |
| shinohai: | yeah i see lol | [09:41] |
| shinohai: | ah I'm too close to you mircea_popescu | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think you're getting bot interference | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | if yoyu're looking for grass go up that hill to the left, polenty there too | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | polent-y lmao | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally diana_coman i was thinking - maybe you ... finished the teeth ? | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean why, you mined a bunch and now can't find any at the spot. well... you finished them | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | went to old lh spot, couldn't find any lh. | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | the first time a resource ran out as it were, but clearly not impossible | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i could swear the wm spots are smaller than they used to be | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | hm; but if grc ran out in the ground then one can get them from sacrifice only | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | or if/when they ever come back | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | ugly | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | well maybe there's more that was never found or w/e | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [14:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw if anyone needs high q sr/sb/tpt/wpl lemme know. | [16:44] |
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