#eulora Logs for 07 Oct 2016

October 7th, 2016 by Diana Coman
shinohai: is exploring this morning near the tit-shaped peaks. [07:45]
mircea_popescu: found any milk ? [07:45]
mircea_popescu: anyway, if all goes according to plan i'm going to hold an epic auction during the weekend. [07:46]
shinohai: I just see hanbot staring ominously in the distance. I'm definitely not gonna ask her. [07:46]
shinohai: Cool! Will be first time I have seen live auction. [07:46]
mircea_popescu: lol [07:47]
diana_coman: yay, auction! do we get new books too? [07:53]
shinohai: So tools like hoes, etc are pretty rare and expensive items I gather. [07:54]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no i mean it's private, not s.mg or anything. [07:55]
mircea_popescu: shinohai i dunno, diana burns like thousands a week. [07:55]
shinohai: O.o [07:55]
diana_coman: glances at her sad and empty bookshelf; then at her piles and piles of worn tools [07:56]
shinohai: My lone stone adze lasted mebbe a day [07:56]
diana_coman: shinohai, tools are "rare" in the sense that demand is far greater than supply mainly [07:58]
diana_coman: have a look at the craft-tree for whatever tool you prefer for some idea of what is needed [07:59]
shinohai: I was just starting to lose hope at bare-handed exploration and found 2 claims within 5 minutes of one another this morning. [07:59]
mircea_popescu: they vary yeah [07:59]
mircea_popescu: anyway, as your skill increases you should see more i expect. [07:59]
diana_coman: anyways, 1-2 tools I usually have lying around for helping people out if you need that [07:59]
diana_coman: and yeah, that's how it goes, quite uneven [08:00]
mircea_popescu: the main thing shinohai is not obtaining the things, you could prolly have them by the thousand if you paid enough. the main thing is establishing how much you can afford to pay for them. [08:02]
mircea_popescu: which is why the reasonable thing to do is get a few, keep clean records, and try to guess. [08:03]
mircea_popescu: (as discussed in older logs, i personally use a 1/3 rule - ie if a "normal" run yields 33\% of my cost then i'm happy - but this is principally a function of my having ~infinite capital to dig myself back out from any hole ; one with a fixed budget lower than infinity is stuck considering that the payall outlier may not come within his lifespan.) [08:04]
shinohai: btw diana_coman I think I inadvertently obtained a key to a putrid leather claim of yours in town [08:19]
diana_coman: is there something in the claim? [08:20]
shinohai: Nah it's empty [08:20]
diana_coman: so then don't worry, I might have dropped that key myself [08:25]
diana_coman: feel free to keep it [08:25]
shinohai: kk thx town claims are useful for storage imo [08:25]
mircea_popescu: yeh [08:29]
shinohai: Is it sad that I can almost perfectly predict what time it is in Eulora now just by looking at the sky? [08:55]
mircea_popescu: no ? [08:57]
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of the sky. [08:57]
shinohai: Though I fully expect there is a sundial or hourglass hidden somewhere on the island lol [08:59]
mircea_popescu: lol [08:59]
shinohai: Actually, with all these claim sticks scattered about, one has no excuse not be able to use one as rudimentary sundial. [09:01]
mircea_popescu: lol [09:16]
diana_coman: AUCTION: 50 chetty sticks 20264q, opening at 3mn, ETA 8 October 2016 7pm GMT [12:04]
mircea_popescu: goes to check what he sells these for [12:04]
diana_coman: I don't think you sell those at all? [12:04]
mircea_popescu: heh yeah apparently i don't. [12:04]
mircea_popescu: hum. [12:05]
diana_coman: and my search of logs showed that last time any cs were available was in ..july? [12:05]
mircea_popescu: aha [12:05]
diana_coman: anyways, will see how it goes [12:05]
diana_coman: not as if I have no use for cs, lol [12:06]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:06]
mircea_popescu: i got 50 left right here, my last. used most of what i had to dig up md [12:06]
diana_coman: ah, for the brews; what are you making with the brews? [12:06]
diana_coman: still has some brews from *ages* ago [12:07]
mircea_popescu: so far almost done with 1.1k brews! [12:08]
mircea_popescu: ran me out of ltf. [12:08]
diana_coman: and ltf takes cft , ugh [12:08]
mircea_popescu: 3 per no less. [12:08]
shinohai: would you exchange chetty sticks for clicks? [12:08]
diana_coman: ponders throwing 100 cs at ...grass [12:09]
mircea_popescu: lol buy some of shinohai 's [12:09]
diana_coman: shinohai, that'd be a pain really; best keep it simple via money, lol [12:09]
mircea_popescu: iirc he got a bunch from me [12:09]
diana_coman: well, a "bunch" of clumps of grass foxy can get [12:09]
shinohai: Never hurts to try! :D [12:09]
diana_coman: trouble is the appetite seems to be more for a whole world of grass [12:09]
mircea_popescu: that's complimentary ; his are low q [12:09]
mircea_popescu: so trade him cs for cdg. win-win [12:10]
diana_coman: well, for one I will buy whatever grass he sells at the usual 150\%, sure [12:10]
diana_coman: for the other I would probably offer him some jobs on grass ords anyways [12:10]
mircea_popescu: shinohai time for a grass auction ? [12:10]
shinohai: grass auction? [12:11]
diana_coman: he means auction your grass shinohai [12:11]
shinohai: oh i c [12:11]
mircea_popescu: be a pimp, sellin' weed! [12:11]
diana_coman: yeah, don't smoke it all yourself, lol [12:11]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:11]
shinohai: I'm not too stupid to sling dope in Eulora, yay! [12:11]
diana_coman: actually it's even a good question whether he'd be better off buying himself a cs and digging his own ord [12:21]
diana_coman: taking your estimate of 50k out of an ord for a noob mircea_popescu he might make it profitable + xp [12:22]
mircea_popescu: possibly. [12:22]
shinohai: Exploring has turned out to be quite fun. Found 11 small claims in ~2500 attempts [12:23]
mircea_popescu: of course, it's 50k for ord bundle from electron + 60k for cs from you so like 110k per click [12:23]
mircea_popescu: if he gets say 70kish bv he's made with the 150\% [12:23]
diana_coman: aha [12:23]
mircea_popescu: then again if he hits a bunch of smalls... [12:23]
diana_coman: but I think that's quite a lot to get for a noob [12:23]
diana_coman: well, he might get only ords [12:24]
diana_coman: but from what I remember it's more likely he'd get them around same value and prolly less than 70k [12:24]
diana_coman: then again, who knows [12:24]
diana_coman: 11 small claims bare handed shinohai ? not that bad really [12:24]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [12:25]
mircea_popescu: of course if he hits a sizable or some shit... [12:25]
shinohai: I had an adze for like 3 of them then it wore out. [12:25]
diana_coman: what gathering level are you at shinohai ? [12:26]
shinohai: 2 [12:27]
mircea_popescu: how many tinies ? [12:27]
mircea_popescu: and what, adze only took you two levels ?! [12:27]
diana_coman: you used several tools and you are at 2 only? [12:27]
shinohai: no tinies, never had any other tools besides adze [12:27]
diana_coman: at such level the xp from cs is probably wasted anyway [12:27]
diana_coman: but one adze got you only 2 levels up? [12:28]
diana_coman: seems little really [12:28]
shinohai: I used your book and trained with bot [12:28]
shinohai: thats about it :/ [12:28]
diana_coman: ugh, bot trains for crafting, not for exploring really [12:28]
diana_coman: and really, book would have probably gotten you one full level up later ... [12:29]
shinohai: I still have one book left [12:29]
diana_coman: ah, you used the book to *get* the skill [12:29]
diana_coman: that's different [12:29]
diana_coman: you do know you need to go and train manually for gathering though, as bot won't go [12:30]
diana_coman: 19 cdg out of a cs grass small with 7 cft, not even the 21 that went it, pfft [12:31]
shinohai: How often does one need to train for gathering? [12:34]
mircea_popescu: well yes but what q went in diana_coman [12:34]
mircea_popescu: shinohai every time you pop a level. [12:34]
shinohai: ah kk [12:34]
mircea_popescu: you prolly neglected to train it which is why it's so low. [12:34]
diana_coman: shinohai, the levels/training needs are explained a bit in that 1st grade post-guide [12:35]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah, 252q went in, 812 came out :p [12:35]
mircea_popescu: wellthen. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: this is a major factor of elasticity, say i put in q150 cft, and get out q 300 cdg. well, the cft i made out of q 50 cdg, so really i am going up 6x in terms of "grass value" so to speak. [12:36]
diana_coman: wellyeahbut cs = 20k base value on top of the thread anyway [12:38]
diana_coman: anyways, just having a cs-moan, lol [12:39]
shinohai: ok went back 2 train, now level 3 [12:39]
diana_coman: shinohai, in the beginning it should move up relatively fast [12:39]
diana_coman: hello Ghris [17:14]
shinohai: diana_coman: re your gpgram thanks! I was sleep addled and probably didn't realize it was no big deal [17:16]
diana_coman: it could have been; better to raise it than not [17:18]
shinohai: True. [17:18]
shinohai: 23 small claims and counting [19:11]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5641 * .75 + 5966 * .158)/(5641 + 5966) [19:19]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5641 * .75 + 5966 * .158)/(5641 + 5966) = 0.4457118979925907 [19:20]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5641 * .75 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) [19:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5641 * .75 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) = 1.176620143017145 [19:20]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5589 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) [19:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5589 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) = 0.999912983544413 [19:20]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5585 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) [19:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5585 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5641 + 5966) = 0.9997785818902387 [19:20]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5585 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5585 + 5966) [19:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5585 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5585 + 5966) = 1.0046255735434162 [19:20]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (5589 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5589 + 5966) [19:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (5589 * .39 + 5966 * 1.58)/(5589 + 5966) = 1.0044128083080919 [19:20]
jhvh1: >.> [19:25]
mircea_popescu: lol [19:26]
mircea_popescu: so i'm making cp [19:28]
shinohai: feebs will bust you for that shit [19:29]
mircea_popescu: congressional pulp. [19:32]
shinohai: ah kk [19:33]
shinohai: I have found everything BUT grass it seems today [19:33]
mircea_popescu: lol [19:33]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so a whole new failure mode of the bot comes out : the server is incredibly slow spitting out the loot, like second+ ; as a result bot puts the materials in, starts bundle, takes bundle out, starts it again, using 2x samovar time for 1 craft. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: why is the server so slow anyway, my ping is like 200ms [19:40]
shinohai: I haven't had a repeat of the drop table, keep exploring into infinity bug today though, that's been nice [19:41]
mircea_popescu: cool [19:41]
shinohai: So for small claims which bundles do I need to buy to use them? [20:55]
mircea_popescu: the sweet thing with overcrafting ? 300 clicks, 400 products. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: shinohai just cft. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: o wow check me out, 2 pops. this cp totally pays. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: is terribly glad he oc'd the shit out of it. [21:38]
shinohai: Just cft ? [21:38]
mircea_popescu: yes, all smalls are mined by 1 to 7 cft at your option [21:38]
mircea_popescu: look on the enum it says [21:38]
shinohai: Guess I better pray to the Foxy gods I get some more cft then I got 20+ claims and only 5 cft xD [21:41]
mircea_popescu: well you can prolly trade grass for some. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: cft is made out of grass. [21:41]
shinohai: adds this tidbit to his Eulora almanac [21:42]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Coarse-Frangible-Thread.html << theyr'e all inthere, follow the index./ [21:52]
shinohai: I gotta log back in a sec ... I tried in normal manner and it kept telling me to target a container or somesuch [21:53]
mircea_popescu: so right click on it [21:53]
shinohai: Still not working http://i.imgur.com/cSXH2mP.jpg?1 [22:00]
shinohai: got enumeration in mind, cft in container, still complains [22:00]
shinohai: nm got it [22:01]
mircea_popescu: :p [22:07]
shinohai: 1 down, 32 to go [22:08]
mircea_popescu: anyrthing good ? [22:08]
shinohai: A fuckton of boulders, 1 willows wisp berries, some tubers, fltsam and crumbly crackrock [22:09]
mircea_popescu: in the same clkaim !? [22:09]
shinohai: no that's spread across the 30 small claims I've found thus far [22:11]
mircea_popescu: ah [22:11]
shinohai: When I started today I was like "Well maybe I'll find 2-3 things" [22:12]
mircea_popescu: hehe. cool. [22:13]

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