| diana_coman: | oh wow, congratulations danielpbarron ! | [04:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in further updates of my now piddly exploration run, 8880 attempts yielded : | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | low q (208) : 963 sb + 445 cf + 95 sr, also 106 wpl q 142, 70 tpt q 169, 6 ae q 143 | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | not bad for bh for sure | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | high q : 13 wpl q 177 ; 11 tpt q 210 ; 124 cdg q257, 34 sr q 258, 47 sb q 257 | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | I think it's quite exploring 2.0 with this new relentless bot-with-table | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is! | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i used 932 lbn + 144 lbn | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | cft i mean. | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | if only noobs actually read this; or something | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so altogether : 58 * (963 * 208 + 47 * 257) + 60 * (445 * 208 + 124 * 257) + 79 * (95 * 208 + 34 * 258) + 152 * (106 * 142 + 13 * 177) + 159 * (70 * 169 + 11 * 210) + 384 * (6 * 143) ie | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 272533.1 bv incoming, and | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 180*1.8* 2.54 * 144 for cft + 932 * 169 for lbn = 276014.24 | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the bh with 1 cft was actually a wash. | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | i also only got 1 ord as opposed to 10 previous (shorter) run. | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | such variance i swear. | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, but wait | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | did you actually use 1 cft of 254 q?? | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | how does that make sense? | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | how not ? | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | if I use 1 cft I'd use the lowest q I can get ffs | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's what this is. | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | why to overcraft it ..just a bit kind of style? | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | I mean sure, you can, but it's not very surprising it didn't turn out great | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... you got low q grass ? | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | or cft ? | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you have a point, i should have used q 1 lbn and cft here, not q > 100. | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's just that i dun have any. | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | I am using some q3 here, lol | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | cft I mean | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q basics do you get from it ? | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | 33 with 1 single cft | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | you prolly still have higher sortage than me I'd guess | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so one q 254 cft = 8.5 q 3 cft in terms of result value. | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, you mean assuming that you get the same number of items from a claim with 1q 3 or 1q254? | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | as for lbn I always use highest q now that I can keep them separate; I guess q11 lbn would also be an option, but I certainly don't have enough of that | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | on this run so far (720 attempts with a basic pickaxe) I already got 1000 grass at 33 q and 276 at 371q for instance | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | plus 15 tlc 308q (another reason to use high q lbn right now) | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | and some 600 sb , 200 wpl , 100 sr | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | but interesting how you are basically stuck overcrafting whether you want it or not if you say you don't have any cft under 100 at all | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i usually get 1. | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | that's precisely my point above: I usually get more than 1 with such low q cft | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i rarely do. | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I undercraft in the first place really: to get larger quantity faster (even if lower q) | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw danielpbarron what size claim was it ? im writing an article! | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | well, with 254 I probably wouldn't get more than 1 either, sure | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless you want to ? | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | should say underbuild I suppose | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, to cap up the mining data thing : 272533.1 * 1.6 + 10000 - 276014.24 = 170038.72 profit over 8880 tries, coming to 19.15 ECu gain per attempt. | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas yest's 189530 profit over 6713 hits comes to 28.23 ECu gain per attempt. | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | o look at that, i didn't add cft quality in THAT data. brb restating. | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-06.log.html << this line should read 180*1.8*2.54* 455 for cft + 773 * 169 for lbn = 505083.8 | [09:46] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-08-06 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so the subseq becomes 245058 * 1.6 + 100000 for ords - 505083.8 = â\u0088\u009212991 | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, a 2 ecu loss rather than a gain. hurr. | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | losses are but gains for others | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | funny lol, this run seemed weaker than that run ; once i did the math... nope. | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the math is so fucking intricate just loosely evaluating things doesn't work. | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | maths kills uh oh maths kills | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ANYWAY. i don't think it's terribly fair, to count very high q items such as q 600+ grass obtained through the risky and expensive behaviour of 7-cft mining with high q cft, at the same \% as normal grass. | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the numbers for prev run aren't prolly all that correct. | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | for one thing, i dunno who else can get grass in the upper half of 1k quality. | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, anybody can: they just need very high q cft | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | and with several iterations one can get that anyway | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | if they really are after it | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes but it'll cost them even more. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least so i think. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, iterations don't really help, i've seen a dampening at work. for instance, the absolute highest grass i can get is ~1060 or so. | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can iterate that as many times as i want, still won't get higher. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | well, as long as you have highest sortage by a significant margin, you should be able to get basics at higher q with lower costs I'd say, makes sense | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | because crafting THAT into cft with the best bps i got gets me cft q same as i used to get it in the first place. | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | so that's the limitation of your bps | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, it's a dynamic sort of multi-limit thing | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | but you know, with high q cons you can easily get some bps at 500q - should get you higher q cft I would say | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | but for the same reason as you just (finally) acknowledged here re high q not being quite same as middle q, I would certainly not sell bps at 500q | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a point. maybe i should click a few tink books see what happens. | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i'd sell them, if i made them. why not, i'll make more. | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | I meant not at price calculated same as 150q bps | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing it simply doesn't add up as far as I seen until now | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is that. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder how the fuck to calculate these | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | that was precisely "for another thing" - I have no idea how to price them properly (other than perhaps a direct: this is my cost on x runs, hence ..) | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | mircea_popescu> so one q 254 cft = 8.5 q 3 cft in terms of result value. << going on this logic, 254/3 = 84.666666667 and we want ... 8.5... so maybe should just add a factor = 10\% of the q diff ? | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, how much is q 100 cft ? 180 * 1 * 1.8 each. ad q 1 cft ? 180 * 0.01 * 1.8 + 180 * 0.01 * 1.8 * (1 - 0.01)/10 | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 324 for one and 35.316 the other | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | would you sell q 3 cft for 180 * 0.01 * 1.8 + 180 * 1 * 1.8 * (1 - 0.03)/10 = 34.668 each ? | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | or, more's the point, would you exchange q 3 for q 254 cft, 9.345794393 to 1 ? | [10:02] |
| diana_coman: | hm, good question; I have to think of it a bit | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem with "this is my cost" is that buyer has the very legitimate q of "over how many runs". | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | 9 q 3 cft for 1 q 254 cft hm, might work; | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if the answer isn't... i dunno, 1mn, or w/e the fuck daniel did to get the myst... or if the answer doesn't include the myst, you're on weak ground. | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 9 and change! | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | lol, yes; and yeah, that's the trouble with the cost approach | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | essentially you can't separate public and private sphere in any public way ; nor can you say "up to here it's me being lucky, from here on it's the item costing so much" | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, the OTHER point of concern being that in my last run i used 144 cft and produced 445 + 124 = 569 ie nominally enough for barely 190 cft. | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | so this process is altogether marginal after all. | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | hm, on one hand it would mean to get at least 9 low q grass where I would get otherwise 1 high q; on the other hand it means putting in 9 cft bps (low q) instead of 1 | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well actually no, i got all the ords, i could have noobs mine them get low q dilute it out | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah, the bp question is, so to speak, "smecleu' de tine titele de-olalta" | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | (don't try and translate that to english, you'll hurt yourself.) | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | because if you have very low q bps, such as q 3 say, it is still more reasonable to rectify them by mixing with high q bps | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | than to use them straight. | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have some q 20 for instance and im not burning them. | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | so tbh, i think the problem of "how to price very low q items" is going away by itself : | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | we won't have any. | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | that's what I did with quite all my 450+ q bps - used them to up some of the low q ones I was stuck with otherwise | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | lol, that might be although some noobs will come at some point and they would get low q, no? | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you know, use your q 3 grass while that lasts, showoff! | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, why are you mining with high q cft". WHAYDO YOU THINK | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah but i mean... how is a noob going to produce bps. | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | was unaware of the rarity of low q grass given that she sold some stacks of it back in the day | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | by getting a job to click? | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose someone could show up tomorrow, deposit a coupla btc or w/e, buy a table, buy 10mn work of tokens, buy everything and click away. | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | well, not q1 bps for sure, but still | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually. | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | so this only seems hard because people are lazy & clueless. | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | to be fair it is hard to make sense of it directly for sure | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | "altcoin mining" is a) much harder and b) doesn't actually pay. | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | but that's not an excuse as to why there is nobody even trying apparently | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | but everybody does it!!! | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite. | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i wonder why i'm poor after a lifetime dedicated to trying what everyone else was!" | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | but it worked for ..someone! | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | "the only way to get ahead [if you're dedicated to trying what everyone else is] would be getting lucky or inheriting! god damned lack of opportunities! HUO!" | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | speaking of buying: I have some 50 tomes of various qualities from 149 to 265 at least; let me know if you want any of them | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | qualities of what staple ? | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I got them out in my inventory to count them and order them by q as storage is a pain for this; now I'm playing a kind of puzzle in my inv to put them in groups by q | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | the unexpected games in eulora | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | what are ya talking about ? | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | tomes don't mix; in storage you can't see quality unless right click and so just one at a time, huge pain | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | but in inventory they show the quality now, a pleasure | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh oh. | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | so got them all in inv and now sorting them by q: moving them about like in a puzzle, lol | [10:24] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> btw danielpbarron what size claim was it ? im writing an article! << i'm gonna write one too i guess. I don't know if i can find out what claim it was, since it came as extra loot to something else, but maybe i can deduce it from the screenshot i took when i first found my guy stuck overweight | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | but either small or tiny then right ? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | or were you mining ords ? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, write article, ima see if bb can be persuaded to run a qntra piece on its basis. | [10:29] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah tiny or small for sure | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | 7 tomes 149q; 20 tomes 157q; 16 tomes 291q; 6 tomes 293q; 10 tomes 308q | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, danielpbarron anyone else wanting to click some cons or otherwise wipe themselves with really expensive tomes ^ | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | Sat Aug 6 22:43:13 2016, Stone Pickaxe,178.95,57.02,169.93,Small Boulder Exploration Marker ,2914 << perhaps this was it. it's the last line in my explore log before a long string of nothing (the result of this pop causing my character to become overweight in a way that the bot wasn't expecting) | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll buy 'em | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't used the last batch of tomes i bought | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | right, the bot would move only the boulders so it would get overweight, sigh | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you realise diana_coman had nfi you can loot... myst stones while doing boulders. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | you totally discovered a whole new level. | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | it's a really exceptional case, and i don't mind at all getting jammed for this reason :D | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, there was the possibility as previously hinted for sure; but otherwise the bot IS BLIND basically, so yeah, until it starts actually seeing the world around it there isn't much to do about it | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you coming to town for the tomes or want them later? | [10:37] |
| danielpbarron: | boulders in general have been very profitable for me. seems to be very likely to pop | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | interesting; are they even lowest value basics? (don't recall) | [10:39] |
| danielpbarron: | nah, sb is | [10:39] |
| danielpbarron: | boulder is 2nd lowest | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | oh, and was that bh? | [10:40] |
| danielpbarron: | my guy's been running since midnight or so and he's got 2.5k boulders | [10:40] |
| danielpbarron: | no i'm using a pickaxe right now | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | nice; aha; tbh boulders and flotsam are another big reason why the bot got to use the table, lol | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | 1.8k at q459 ; ~800 at q242 | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | not bad at all | [10:42] |
| danielpbarron: | 26 pickaxes used | [10:42] |
| danielpbarron: | unfortunately not that many polished small stones found, which is what i'm really after | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well since you got them out ima come over. | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i'll need like 10 mins. | [10:55] |
| diana_coman: | it's good, I just get back from my ord by then too, lol | [10:55] |
| DianaComan: | ready mircea_popescu , ping me/trade me when ready | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am o nthe hill, butt-tabling my way towards you | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | -22 -24 | [11:08] |
| DianaComan: | and that would come to... 88462*4.43*(7*1.49+20*1.57+16*2.91+6*293+10*3.08) | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | im sorry, 3/4 bn ?! | [11:13] |
| DianaComan: | is calculating again as it sounds crazy | [11:13] |
| DianaComan: | do you see anything wrong in there though? | [11:13] |
| DianaComan: | as I don't | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | 7 + 20 + 16 + 6 + 10 = 59 books meaning 12468571per book ? | [11:14] |
| DianaComan: | they are 59 books indeed | [11:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but im not paying 12.5mn per lol | [11:14] |
| DianaComan: | guess the high q ones get there since they'd be some 300k base value * 4.43 | [11:14] |
| DianaComan: | no, that'd be still less, ugh | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's 1.2mn | [11:15] |
| DianaComan: | what is wrong there, lol | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | 6 * 293 | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | try 2.93 | [11:15] |
| DianaComan: | ahahaha | [11:15] |
| DianaComan: | true, sorry | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | 53598338.4882 | [11:16] |
| DianaComan: | aha, that sounds better | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | definitely largest trade in history. | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | funny thing being that by now the trades struggle to equal the pops. | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | before it was quite otherwise. | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | as we had dozens > the 11 mn previously record. | [11:16] |
| DianaComan: | well, it's really just this super pop of daniel's though, isn't it? | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey. | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | daniel the superpop :D | [11:17] |
| DianaComan: | lol! | [11:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i had the previous record too: the sizeable | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah tho that was never quantified. | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly under my 11,68 | [11:18] |
| DianaComan: | at least those tomes are light actually | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan hit me | [11:21] |
| DianaComan: | it's 53.6 lol | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | we'll be here a while huh. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | 9 at a time | [11:23] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, will try to keep them ordered by q at least | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | good idea. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok 16 291 | [11:24] |
| DianaComan: | those are all the 16 at 291q | [11:24] |
| DianaComan: | why u busy | [11:24] |
| DianaComan: | lol | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz i gotta dump | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | only like 20 slots empty or so | [11:24] |
| DianaComan: | 157 q now | [11:25] |
| DianaComan: | 2 more of those | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [11:25] |
| DianaComan: | 1 more at 308q | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10. word. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 7 149 | [11:27] |
| DianaComan: | 7 at 149q | [11:27] |
| DianaComan: | only 6 at 293 and we are done | [11:28] |
| DianaComan: | phew, that was long; thank you! | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | tyvm hehe | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh look at that : more bitcoin trade than bitpay processed today. | [11:28] |
| DianaComan: | ahahaha, why so mean, they are doing their best, neh? | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | surely. | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think we need bigger blocks for it too! | [11:29] |
| DianaComan: | now that my shelves are free, gotta go mine some sg to make more gin to make more..tomes | [11:30] |
| DianaComan: | lol! | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could just sell some more gt tho ? | [11:30] |
| DianaComan: | what do you have? | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow check that out, i don't. you bought me out ? | [11:31] |
| DianaComan: | aha | [11:31] |
| DianaComan: | lolz | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. want soem gin then ? | [11:31] |
| DianaComan: | what gin is that? | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 133, 134, 136... | [11:32] |
| DianaComan: | hm, should work; how much do you have? | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can have 3k q133 | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | lessee. 3230 * 1.33 * 3.27 * 7254 - | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | 101901239.622 | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha! COUGH IT BACK UP! | [11:34] |
| DianaComan: | hm, lemme calc with that 3.27 of yours so that I don't end up having to up the tome prices ugh | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | check me out mr ATF man, i'm selling OVER A BITCOIN'S WORTH OF CHEAP GIN. | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | unlicensed! | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | bath tub distillery! | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | no labels even! | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | and she's probably underage. | [11:35] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, trouble is that it doesn't make sense | [11:38] |
| DianaComan: | it seems I end up cheaper if I sell to you the stuff to make gt and then buy the gt?? | [11:39] |
| DianaComan: | so will do that instead I guess | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | o okies! course this means i'll have to craft some btks... | [11:41] |
| DianaComan: | that's not my problem, lol | [11:41] |
| DianaComan: | but it kind of makes sense too: you are supposed to be the crafter! | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | a no i already did, they're stashed. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright, so let me know when you have the gear ? | [11:42] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, will see; 3.2k gin makes some 1.6k gt and needs some...3.2k sg; will see how it goes | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | im short about 3k sg and 50k cr. | [11:42] |
| DianaComan: | ah, cr; right | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | for some reason the bank is INSANELY slow and laggy. | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey DianaComan i fished out some q 4 cft from my apparently ampler-than-memory stores. | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | guess what, q 33 product. | [12:21] |
| DianaComan: | interesting; 1 point more in q of cft ; higher sortage, but I guess lower building | [12:22] |
| DianaComan: | where's your sortage at? | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | must be. | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | >400 | [12:22] |
| DianaComan: | mine is ~300 - I thought that would be way lower than yours | [12:22] |
| DianaComan: | oh, so there | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, maybe mine's 33.9 and yours 33.1 or such | [12:22] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, well | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. digging up some flotsam/cr atm myself. | [12:23] |
| DianaComan: | kk | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly to make tools, because hey. | [12:23] |
| DianaComan: | myeah, I made myself some nice tools some time ago; I am getting to the bottom of the pile so will have to repeat prolly | [12:23] |
| danielpbarron: | In Eulora News : http://danielpbarron.com/2016/until-it-isnt/ | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice. | [12:28] |
| silverjayw: | Hello all | [12:45] |
| danielpbarron: | hi | [12:45] |
| silverjayw: | How are we all doing? | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, you missed the news i guess huh ? | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron got a 80 bitcent pop earlier. | [12:47] |
| silverjayw: | Uh i must have | [12:48] |
| silverjayw: | Whats the news | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-07.log.html#t02:46:21 | [12:48] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-08-07 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [12:48] |
| silverjayw: | Wow congrats man | [12:49] |
| silverjayw: | Thats quite some loot | [12:49] |
| silverjayw: | Meanwhile i still cant figure out how to pick up a rock haha | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. you should come visit me, i said i was gonna give you some items. | [12:51] |
| silverjayw: | Ok will i find you in the same spot as last? | [12:51] |
| silverjayw: | Sorry i didnt get back on in an hour like i said i fell asleep | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, lesee | [12:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | im at 110, 313 now | [12:52] |
| silverjayw: | Is there a map i can look at to get coordinates? | [12:53] |
| danielpbarron: | has a very nice resource map, but it's a trade secret :p | [12:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i think there is a general map on the wiki | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can use /pop and /pilot commands silverjayw | [12:56] |
| danielpbarron: | /pos * | [12:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i mean /pos | [12:56] |
| silverjayw: | I tried pilot and it didnt take me anywhere | [12:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | you gotta tell it where to point | [12:59] |
| danielpbarron: | no, it points you, you gotta do the walking yourself | [13:00] |
| silverjayw: | Oh haha thanks | [13:00] |
| silverjayw: | Whats with all these random exploration markers | [13:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's how people make money, they dig up the earth | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh is that you by the tent silverjayw ? | [13:06] |
| silverjayw: | Yes | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | trade me | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | right click on my guy and pick the exchange button | [13:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | accept is on left bottom corner | [13:07] |
| silverjayw: | So what should i do from here | [13:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. now go /explore, and when you find a tiny, you got the stuff to dig it up | [13:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | see what you can find | [13:08] |
| silverjayw: | Is exploration supposed to hurt? | [13:09] |
| danielpbarron: | silverjayw, what's your player's first name? | [13:10] |
| silverjayw: | James | [13:10] |
| DianaComan: | actually silverjayw you could be the guy to do this: http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t14:13:34 | [13:17] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-08-07 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | silverjayw yeah. | [13:18] |
| DianaComan: | exploration hurts if you do it bare handed | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless you get a tool. | [13:18] |
| silverjayw: | Where should i get a tool? | [13:19] |
| silverjayw: | And what would i do? | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you'd have to buy one from a crafter. | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~everything in game is player made. | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you manage to find anything so far ? | [13:20] |
| silverjayw: | Oh yes i did read that somewhere | [13:20] |
| silverjayw: | Nope nothing | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | keep going! | [13:21] |
| silverjayw: | Is there anywhere that is particularly better to look | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's for you to find out! | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | people keep their own maps, there's not much agreement on the score. | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | but look into how to set up the bot, it's pretty tedious to do by hand. | [13:25] |
| silverjayw: | Ja i read about the bot in the help menu ive been using it but havent gotten anything so far | [13:27] |
| silverjayw: | I think this is gonna kill me before i find anything haha | [13:28] |
| silverjayw: | And i just fell down a hole and died | [13:29] |
| silverjayw: | spooky | [13:29] |
| danielpbarron: | my character has died thousands of times | [13:29] |
| silverjayw: | How big is the map | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1k x 1k coords | [13:31] |
| silverjayw: | Thats pretty big | [13:33] |
| silverjayw: | I see theres alot of features yet to be added | [13:33] |
| silverjayw: | Well according to the help page | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | surely. | [13:44] |
| hanbot: | <mircea_popescu> check me out mr ATF man, i'm selling OVER A BITCOIN'S WORTH OF CHEAP GIN << ahahaha good stuff | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | found anything yet silverjayw ? :D | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw mod6 how's your crafting skills ? | [14:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone selling pss btw ? | [14:34] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu 547 q216, 547 * 262 * 2.16 * 1.95 = 603638 | [14:41] |
| hanbot: | thx | [14:43] |
| diana_coman: | hm at 195\% I can sell 1k pss 201q mircea_popescu | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll buy that | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | ok danielpbarron you got it | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | lemme fish it out | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | cool | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, trade when ready | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | 1000*262*2.01*1.95 | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy | [15:18] |
| danielpbarron: | ty | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman alrighty. | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, fair warning, enjoy being the #1 popper but don't get too used to it! mwahahahahaha. | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, i kinda need a newb. DicePower you ever got the game running ? Azelphur ? lobbes ? sueastside ? thestringpuller ? yorick ? | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | orrr davout ? | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | so my practical choice here is either use 10 pss per cs click, and end up with 39.8k durability cs and some numina ; or else use 1 and end up with 37,3k durability and no numina. | [20:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | therefore, is 9 * 2.15 * 262 = 5069.7 bv of pss worth 2.6k bv worth of cs ? | [20:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems just about a wash tbh. | [20:48] |
| hanbot: | some numina + pop potential, no? | [22:58] |
| hanbot: | (what you miss out on with 1 pss vs 10) | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, but pss is hard to get these days it seems | [23:00] |
| hanbot: | continues mining it | [23:06] |
| Silverjayw: | Hello all | [23:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey! | [23:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | didja ever manage to find anything Silverjayw ? | [23:23] |
| Silverjayw: | I dont think so where should i look to see if i did? | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | well did you ever pop a claim ? | [23:24] |
| Silverjayw: | um what is that? haha | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, when you /explored, did a stick show up | [23:25] |
| Silverjayw: | No i dont believe so | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. how many did you try ? | [23:26] |
| Silverjayw: | I think 1000 | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O that's crazy. | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i got a job for you. wouldja like to mine for me a little ? | [23:26] |
| Silverjayw: | So im assuming im very unlucky haha | [23:27] |
| Silverjayw: | Sure man ill take anything | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, come meet me in town | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know where the tables are. | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so take these things, go to the location where the key says the claim is, open the claim, put the bundle in and build it | [23:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | then bring me back the grass it makes | [23:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll pay you 5k ecu. | [23:28] |
| Silverjayw: | Ok ill do my best | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool, if this works out i'll have more for you. | [23:29] |
| Silverjayw: | Ok so what do i do once i put the stuff you gave me in the claim? | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | you click the button on the left | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it starts working on it. there's a bar | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | like a progress bar | [23:38] |
| Silverjayw: | Ok so i open the claim put the bundle of grass and the enumeration in and then what do i do? I dont see a button to the left | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's 5 buttons. a finger like pushing a button, a puzzle like thing, two with hands a bag one and a thing like the trade accept | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | you do the finger pushing a button | [23:39] |
| Silverjayw: | All it says is what do you have in mind to build | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, the enumeration doesn't go into the claim | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | it goes into your head | [23:39] |
| Silverjayw: | Ah that will do it | [23:40] |
| Silverjayw: | Thats genius | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ;) | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can right click it to see what it takes. | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo... did it finish ? | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | Silverjayw | [23:52] |
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