| alikim: | danielpbarron: do you still have those cfts? | [00:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you selling remembrance tinctures ? | [01:30] |
| alikim: | WTS: WPL 65 q138, WPL 41 q139, WPL 76 q74 | [01:37] |
| alikim: | (152 * 65 * 138 + 152 * 41 * 139 + 152 * 76 * 74) * 130 * 0.0001 = 40098 | [01:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill buy em. | [01:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | also you should probably check my shop page. | [01:37] |
| alikim: | ok | [01:38] |
| alikim: | you are busy, I'll drop in the table then | [01:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit me now | [01:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | just sorting bps and whatnot. | [01:39] |
| alikim: | didn't work , just a sec | [01:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | no rush. | [01:40] |
| alikim: | no, it doesn't work, syas you can not move an item being exchanged | [01:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | "it" | [01:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | what "it" ? | [01:42] |
| alikim: | when I try to add another batch into trading window | [01:42] |
| alikim: | it = chat | [01:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can't split a stack into the trade window, no | [01:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can add distinct stacks | [01:43] |
| alikim: | I can't | [01:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparrently i can. | [01:43] |
| alikim: | I can't also drop anything and open inventory | [01:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | lotta malfunctions huh ? | [01:43] |
| alikim: | and if I cancel the trade I'll mix two stacks | [01:43] |
| alikim: | fuck | [01:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | um. | [01:44] |
| alikim: | the game fucked me up again | [01:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [01:44] |
| alikim: | mixed two stacks | [01:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | "this rake that was sitting there minding its own business fucked me up again by my stepping on it" | [01:45] |
| alikim: | I'll have to use table only from now on | [01:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, really, you'll have to come to terms with the fact that ~nobody can be arsed to split-trade the same item with you. | [01:45] |
| alikim: | because the trade window got bugged | [01:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun much care for 40 leather of this q and 35 of that q sorta deals. | [01:46] |
| alikim: | I w=didn't split anything | [01:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | then what got mixed ? | [01:46] |
| alikim: | I put one q stack in trade window and another q stack picked from the ground into my inv | [01:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so they mixed. | [01:47] |
| alikim: | and then I couldn't move either of them | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you want not to mix, drag from table ; if you want to mix, pick from ground. | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | tis how it works. | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. | [01:47] |
| alikim: | no, I had one stack in trade window and one stack in inventory and I couldn't add the second stack into trade window | [01:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am not interested in buying small quantities of multiple quality items. if you have a stack of leather at 99 and a stack of leather at 101 that's fine, they won't mix anyway. | [01:48] |
| alikim: | or drop it back to the ground | [01:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you have 40 leather 99 and 30 leather 101, mix 'em, or pick a single one to sell. | [01:48] |
| alikim: | with the message "you cannot move an item being exchanged" | [01:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | neways, ima go back to sorting my library. | [01:49] |
| alikim: | ok, I have this in the table WPL 65 q138, WPL 117 q96, (152 * 65 * 138 + 152 * 117 * 96) * 130 * 0.0001 = 39919 | [01:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | so pick it up an' trade me | [01:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill give you the same 40100 from b4. | [01:59] |
| alikim: | can you pick it from the table? | [01:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can but i dun wanna. | [01:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | is this gonna take a while ? | [02:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | sigh. | [02:01] |
| alikim: | no, it doesn't let me to add the second stack into trade window with the sam eerror | [02:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude... | [02:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | you understand we've been fucking with this 40k for the past HALF HOUR ? | [02:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's enough for one day. try again tomorrow. | [02:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | please have everything 100\% lined up an' ready to go. | [02:03] |
| alikim: | and it got mixed again.. nice | [02:04] |
| alikim: | ok, I'll talk to diana_coman about this bug | [02:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey, so it looks i have ~everything lined up here to make 1k charcoal and 500 ma afterwards. | [02:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i guess once the gin's done next week ima do that. you stacking up them grubs amirite diana_coman ? | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | heh, I'll check | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | alikim> no, I had one stack in trade window and one stack in inventory and I couldn't add the second stack into trade window <- alikim, that's not how it works... | [02:29] |
| alikim: | how it works? | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | really now: when it's moved to the trade window, that is only temporary until you finish the trade basically | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | hence from the client's point of view they are still in your inv (which makes sense, the window is NOT a container) | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | so yes, if you don't want them to mix, put them in a table and then take the table in your inv | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | you can then just open table while in your inventory | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | and have therefore any number of stacks you want | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | if you pick stuff up from the ground it WILL mix/try to mix | [02:32] |
| alikim: | can I move items directly from the table in my inventory into trade window? | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [02:36] |
| alikim: | so I move them one by one from the table in my inventory into inventory and then trade window? | [02:37] |
| diana_coman: | actually by trying now with heina I seem to be able to move directly from table in inv to the trade window? | [02:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | from table to inv yes. | [02:39] |
| alikim: | if you can't then they will mix up in your inventory so you should | [02:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | from table to tw, no. | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | no, from table to trade window that I opened with heina mircea_popescu | [02:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | funky | [02:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i remember trying this... wanna trade me ? | [02:40] |
| diana_coman: | yep, works | [02:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | aokthen | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | those are from 2 stacks in a table in my inv | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh. | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | and I even have more lbn in inv directly | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | the TABLE is in your inventory ? | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | then ofcourse it works. | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that is the point | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it was on the ground | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | NO, that's the point | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes yes, table in inv works. | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're still "in your invetory" | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | take table in inv, best of both worlds | [02:41] |
| hanbot: | lol @ this saga | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless it's too heavy. but yeah. | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | if it's too heavy, you pick it up after opening trade | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | still no problem | [02:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [02:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i still don't want to buy multi-quality ministacks. | [02:42] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, have you found the dm? | [02:42] |
| alikim: | diana_coman: ok, thanks for the explanation! | [02:42] |
| hanbot: | for some definiton of found, ofc! | [02:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [02:43] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [02:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | this non-oc craft kinda sux ;/ | [02:44] |
| alikim: | diana_coman: if I give you grass, will you be able to craft cfts for me? | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | yes alikim but large quantities (>=3000 grass) | [02:49] |
| alikim: | ah, ok | [02:54] |
| alikim: | diana_coman: do you still have any of those q32 cfts? | [02:55] |
| diana_coman: | yay, 2k of grass from an ord | [03:02] |
| diana_coman: | will check alikim | [03:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | o nice | [03:08] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, and 100 grass from the 2nd ord, lol | [03:19] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, ya i got your threads, whenever we're on together, which isn't this moment | [08:17] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, i'll see if i can make some for you or else i can sell some blueprints; they use misshaped ampuoles btw | [08:18] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, items ~you~ put in a trade window count as still being in ~your~ inventory | [08:21] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, i will also craft threads or anything else for you; see my shop page under 'services' for pricing | [08:24] |
| alikim: | danielpbarron: are you here, I can buy now? | [09:55] |
| alikim: | <danielpbarron> alikim, items ~you~ put in a trade window count as still being in ~your~ inventory << yeah this is confusing because visually they move there, they should leave a greyed out copy in inventory or something (which I will maybe program one day). Besides, if you "move" one stack to trade window and then try to pick up another from the ground, again, it won't visually move but you are bound to mix them, there is no way to undo a | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | heh, when visuals are not fully reliable, who knew | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, a grayed out copy is not a bad idea | [10:07] |
| alikim: | it's interesting how the server queues the mixing of two batches, it cannot mix them right away because it undestands that one batch is being locked in trading, but once you remove the lock, it mixes them u | [10:09] |
| alikim: | would also be much better if it didn't do that | [10:11] |
| alikim: | ofc the most godly solution to all these dozens of problems is just to make quality a float | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | no lock, it just doesn't bother to update you. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could see the count of the stack in window grew. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | quality ain't a float ; and these aren't problems. you'll get used to idea of rounding, and more generally to the idea that you have no rights, "human" or otherwise, and find yourself entirely at the mercy of an imperial, unfixable reality. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a philosophical, not a software problem. | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!1) | [10:22] |
| alikim: | <mircea_popescu> i could see the count of the stack in window grew. << if you repeat steps I described you inventory window will be empty, you can't see anything grow | [10:24] |
| alikim: | <diana_coman> eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'd be happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16 | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | not inventory window, trade window | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | you went to 184 or something | [10:26] |
| alikim: | when you have to write a few paragraphs of text to explain how to put two items into a trade window, well, that's something you won't see in any other video game | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | mixable qualities aren't common. | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i was gonna say; this hasn't even been an issue till now | [10:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i've been mixing my stuff like so: things that are in the same hundreds (xx, 1xx, 2xx, ..) get mixed together | [10:54] |
| danielpbarron: | but i'm considering switching to 50-150, 150-250, ... so that they tend towards an even multiple of 100. thoughts anyone? | [10:55] |
| alikim: | danielpbarron: can you trade me now? | [11:00] |
| danielpbarron: | no, maybe in half hour | [11:05] |
| alikim: | ok let me know when you are ready | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i been doing something very similar, mixing stuff under 150 and not mixing stuff above | [11:11] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, i'm in town | [11:40] |
| alikim: | Im rdy | [11:41] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, how many was it? | [11:42] |
| alikim: | 420 cft q114, 256 * 420 = 107 520 | [11:42] |
| danielpbarron: | ty | [11:43] |
| alikim: | ty | [11:43] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, can i get those bits? | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. trade me in 2 mins | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | at your leisure danielpbarron | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers | [11:57] |
| danielpbarron: | ty | [11:57] |
| alikim: | is anyone interested in buying tp feelings q80-90? | [12:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i have so many feelings | [12:15] |
| danielpbarron: | my first guess on how many threads to use in a small to match the quality on these new bits was spot on | [12:16] |
| danielpbarron: | found 3 quality 250+ shrooms so far on my first tool; hope it keeps going this way | [12:19] |
| danielpbarron: | err, 233 quality | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim got your tradegoods together ? | [12:25] |
| danielpbarron: | 4000 (used tool) + 10000 (shrooms) + 20000 (other stuff) - 44000 (tools threads and bits) = -10000 | [12:29] |
| alikim: | mircea_popescu: I still have that wpl, now all in one stack nothing else | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [12:32] |
| alikim: | maybe I'll find something I could profit and sell in a few days | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | alikim> <diana_coman> eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'd be happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16 <- just that YOU are not somehow measure of everything, you know; and no, I don't actually HAVE to explain anything really; | [12:49] |
| alikim: | <diana_coman> alikim> <diana_coman> eh, even float does not offerinfinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'dbe happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16 <- just that YOU are notsomehow measure of everything, you know; and no, I don't actually HAVE to explain anything really; << where did I say I am? I said "I'd be happy with..." != I'm the measure of everything | [12:54] |
| alikim: | You have to explain how to trade to new players, if you want them to stay and play, at least to your apprentices or w/e you call them | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | other than "put things in window and check the copper offered" ? | [13:15] |
| alikim: | we already discussed the whole procedure of placing two batches of diff q items in a trade window, I don't think "put things in window and check the copper offered" will ever be enough to make it through, but I'm not gonna discuss it again | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | this notion of trading batches of different qualities is outright silly. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i get it, you don't like mixing things. so keep them unmixed and make them full stacks ; or don't. | [13:21] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman can i grtab those tools | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | consumer culture, gotta love it. yes, people who know how to play, eulora, or life, or anything else, ~MAY~, if they fucking feel like it that day, explain, to whatever select subsection of new people, whatever they feel like. or not. | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | absolutely no obligation issues from this ; the "human rights" of the unknowing are to go fuck themselves, that's it and that's all. really. | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | since when the fuck is the higher at the disposition of the lower ? abomination of abominations already. | [17:41] |
| Birdman: | has everyone done their house cleaning with your new shop prices mircea_popescu ? im thinking of going through some more myself. | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | o ya, bought many million's worth. | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | But what is the secret? why pay so much \% over bv for things qi | [18:13] |
| Birdman: | I was really comfortable selling most of that considering i wont ever be a big crafter, though i kept some stocks because wtf, 500\% out of the blue on any bps? | [18:15] |
| Birdman: | Also, your shop quotes some things at "x\% their base value" and other things "x\% of their quality-adjusted base value" | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's pretty much qabv throughout. | [18:17] |
| Birdman: | did i screw myself selling you bps at quality adjusted bv? lol | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | no ? | [18:19] |
| Birdman: | was just wondering | [18:29] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman ever come up with a price on those maculture? | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, opening 14mn. eta 17:00 | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh i fucked up teh calc. | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, opening 10mn. eta 17:00 | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~250\% | [23:41] |
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