#eulora Logs for 04 May 2016



May 4th, 2016 by Diana Coman
Diana_Coman_: Birdman, I'll pay 160\% on those ltf bps [03:49]
mircea_popescu: me2, what bps [08:24]
Diana_Coman_: he said : 289 q 138 ltf bps 200\% qabv [08:30]
Diana_Coman_: so dunno if you pay 200\% qabv [08:30]
mircea_popescu: sure. i somehow missed this, but, bring 'em on. [08:40]
Diana_Coman_: guess he'll be happy then [08:42]
zakorus123: good morning [10:02]
mircea_popescu: hola [10:30]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), April 2016 Statement <http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-april-2016-statement/> [12:12]
mircea_popescu: ^ prolly interesting. [12:25]
zakorus123: what theres a minigame? [13:08]
mircea_popescu: that's the publisher. [13:19]
zakorus123: ohh so its not a minigame [13:21]
zakorus123: lol [13:21]
zakorus123: diana. got any work for me? [13:59]
Diana_Coman_: hi zakorus123, how did it go with the thread and building with my enums? [14:26]
zakorus123: couldnt find any good claims [14:26]
zakorus123: still working on finding claims [14:26]
zakorus123: lots of enums to get [14:26]
zakorus123: lol [14:26]
zakorus123: use* [14:26]
zakorus123: not get [14:26]
zakorus123: anyway im afk ish now [14:27]
Diana_Coman_: just go explore and get yourself some claims, no [14:31]
Diana_Coman_: ? [14:31]
Diana_Coman_: let the bot explore on its own [14:31]
zakorus123: thats what im doing [14:49]
Diana_Coman_: friendly reminder: server will go down in ~30 minutes for planned maintenance [15:24]
zakorus123: ok [15:25]
mircea_popescu: cool deal. [15:46]
zakorus123: when does it come back up? [16:00]
Diana_Coman_: in max 1hour zakorus123 , but more usually 10 minutes [16:01]
zakorus123: ok [16:01]
Diana_Coman_: and server back on [16:06]
Diana_Coman_: mircea_popescu, 2012 wpl at 280q [16:17]
mircea_popescu: sure. [16:17]
Diana_Coman_: enjoy [16:18]
mircea_popescu: thanks! [16:18]
Diana_Coman_: still after more wpl or anything else in particular? [16:18]
mircea_popescu: i can take more wpl, but ideally lots of f, sr, cr and especially nt [16:26]
Diana_Coman_: hm, lemme see what I have [16:29]
Diana_Coman_: I don't really target basics , but they always get around the rest anyway [16:29]
mircea_popescu: works. [16:36]
Diana_Coman_: hm, fed the script with bp bvs to calculate bv for everything and it turns out that the shredding bp basically has a total minimum value of 1727, which would mean that 1 lbn would be 1727/103 = 16 [16:42]
Diana_Coman_: except lbn is of course 11, therefore the bp has some oc anyway indeed, therefore screw any and all automated scripts, lolz [16:43]
Diana_Coman_: and of course it's not even the only one, hm [16:52]
Diana_Coman_: guess will change the calculated thing to bundle value and feed it the bv separately [16:53]
mircea_popescu: well yes, some bps have buiolt in oc [16:55]
Birdman: Diana_Coman_ can i come get that tome? mircea_popescu ill come to town for those bps [17:24]
Birdman: zakorus123 how much ecu do i have to pay you to do an hour long click? [17:25]
Diana_Coman_: Birdman, sure, what tome was it you wanted? [17:30]
Birdman: the low q one [17:31]
Birdman: im gonna see what a noob gets from it [17:31]
Diana_Coman_: kk, the 56q one [17:31]
Birdman: also have a bunch of q156 srs bps ftr [17:31]
Birdman: you said 180\% bv for this one? [17:32]
Diana_Coman_: yes [17:34]
Diana_Coman_: trade me when ready [17:34]
Diana_Coman_: Birdman, trad [17:34]
Birdman: 89.2k? [17:35]
Birdman: can i owe you 21k [17:35]
Diana_Coman_: 89k, yes [17:35]
mircea_popescu: did you want to trade Birdman ? [17:36]
Diana_Coman_: ok, 21k [17:36]
Birdman: ya one sec [17:36]
Diana_Coman_: interesting, basically built-in overcraft is on the lapidary/numina line and otherwise altar mainly [17:37]
Diana_Coman_: the lbn is an oddity and anyway lowest built-in oc by far [17:38]
Birdman: mircea_popescu ready? [17:39]
mircea_popescu: sure./ [17:39]
mircea_popescu: Diana_Coman_ nah, cons books also have it. [17:39]
mircea_popescu: so do most tools. [17:39]
Diana_Coman_: well, me no data on cons!! [17:39]
mircea_popescu: i thought you clicked some ? [17:40]
Birdman: 516.4k [17:40]
Diana_Coman_: so what would that do, lol [17:40]
Diana_Coman_: data = bundle value and base value of output [17:40]
mircea_popescu: Diana_Coman_ how much maculature did you get ? [17:40]
Birdman: i'll need to break that coin mircea_popescu [17:40]
Diana_Coman_: if I click a cons, it doesn't mean I know the bundle value of that cons [17:41]
mircea_popescu: why not ? [17:41]
Diana_Coman_: + if they change as you said that's not something very reliable [17:41]
mircea_popescu: you can still take one to electron see what he says. [17:41]
Diana_Coman_: ugh, bundle value MAKING that cons [17:41]
mircea_popescu: yes. [17:41]
Diana_Coman_: so where the fuck do I have the bundle from which to make the cons? [17:42]
mircea_popescu: you make it no ? [17:42]
Diana_Coman_: I have the bundle from which to make the bloody maculature , NOT THE CONS [17:42]
mircea_popescu: ty b. [17:42]
Birdman: tyty [17:42]
mircea_popescu: Diana_Coman_ that's it lol [17:42]
mircea_popescu: there isn't a different one. [17:42]
Diana_Coman_: ugh, no [17:43]
mircea_popescu: ... [17:43]
Diana_Coman_: cons are looted, right [17:43]
mircea_popescu: yes, same way any other bp is looted [17:43]
Diana_Coman_: which means no possible precise data on that [17:43]
mircea_popescu: why not ?! [17:43]
Diana_Coman_: ... [17:43]
Diana_Coman_: mk; I'm all ears: how do you *calculate* what you loot? [17:43]
mircea_popescu: well you do get a number of maculatures. you multiply that byt 1727 [17:44]
Birdman: trade for that 21k ? [17:44]
Birdman: alikim still wanna do that click? [17:44]
Diana_Coman_: so what mircea_popescu ? that does not tell you about X cons or Y cons [17:45]
alikim: sure just a sec [17:45]
Diana_Coman_: that tells you about maculature! [17:45]
mircea_popescu: huh ? [17:45]
mircea_popescu: you put in a bundle, worth x. you get out maculature, worth y. [17:45]
Diana_Coman_: cons is the bp making maculature [17:45]
mircea_popescu: if x - y > 0 it's oc [17:45]
Diana_Coman_: yeah, so that is oc for maculature not for cons [17:45]
Diana_Coman_: you might obtain cons, sure [17:45]
Diana_Coman_: and a pink unicorn too [17:45]
mircea_popescu: the cons click is oc. [17:45]
Birdman: Diana_Coman_ what do you have for your highest q tomes? [17:46]
Diana_Coman_: 335q Birdman [17:47]
alikim: birdman: I'm ready, where to go ? [17:47]
Diana_Coman_: oc per click, ahem, yes [17:47]
Birdman: whatcha want for it? [17:47]
Birdman: meet by the npc's alikim [17:47]
Diana_Coman_: as usual Birdman , nothing changed [17:47]
Birdman: ill take it [17:50]
alikim: ok, what do I do? [17:50]
zakorus123: hey birdman im back [17:51]
zakorus123: i have to do minimum 10$ ecu [17:51]
zakorus123: i mean [17:51]
zakorus123: 10\% [17:51]
zakorus123: not $ [17:51]
zakorus123: of output [17:52]
Birdman: i cant do thqat [17:54]
zakorus123: then i cant help you [17:54]
zakorus123: im standing firm on it [17:54]
Birdman: alikim whatd you want for pay? [17:54]
alikim: up to you I'm gonna go have lunch [17:54]
Birdman: sweet see these screens at your feet? [17:55]
alikim: yep [17:55]
Birdman: wear the clogs on your feet, blueprint in your brain, and click combine on the screens [17:55]
mircea_popescu: this should be interesting. [17:55]
alikim: I don't have clogs or bp [17:56]
Birdman: they're in the screens [17:58]
alikim: it says you don't have the right amount [18:00]
alikim: of the right items for what you have in mind [18:00]
alikim: birdman, you still here? [18:04]
Birdman: oh i forgot the token [18:05]
Birdman: 1 sec [18:05]
Birdman: accept and put that in the screens [18:06]
alikim: I crashed a sec [18:06]
alikim: that item didn't have an icon and something broke [18:06]
alikim: still says not the right amount [18:09]
Birdman: alikim do you have the blueprints and everything equipped? [18:19]
alikim: yes [18:19]
Birdman: and all the ingredients match with the blueprint? [18:20]
Birdman: they should, i just looked in the container [18:20]
Birdman: DT, token, numina, bod [18:20]
alikim: yes, my wild guess is that you don't combine them in the screen? [18:20]
Birdman: nah that wouldnt matter [18:20]
alikim: doesn't work, can send you ascreenshot [18:21]
alikim: all in place [18:22]
Birdman: lemme grab it all back quick [18:22]
Birdman: gotta move a certain distance away from it [18:23]
Birdman: alikim i made it into a bundle for you, just equit clogs and blueprint and click use on the container [18:25]
Birdman: also, lol at the q80 bundle that tome made [18:26]
alikim: it says there's nothing in this container that you own [18:26]
Birdman: oh try again i walked back over [18:27]
alikim: still says that [18:27]
Birdman: close and re open the container window [18:28]
alikim: nope [18:28]
alikim: it's till guarded by you [18:28]
Birdman: how about now [18:29]
alikim: no, I'll try to relog [18:29]
Birdman: Diana_Coman_ ill buy that tome whenever [18:30]
alikim: no it doesn't work [18:30]
Birdman: really strange [18:31]
Birdman: yeah so strange, i could just walk up and take it [18:31]
Birdman: did you have the screens in your inventory? [18:31]
alikim: no [18:32]
Birdman: try picking it all up then trying [18:32]
Birdman: if it even lets you do that much [18:32]
alikim: yeah, now it's working [18:33]
Birdman: sweet [18:34]
alikim: kk be back in an hour or so [18:34]
Birdman: actually hell naw im not paying close to a mn for a tome [18:40]
Diana_Coman_: lol Birdman do you prefer them lower q then? [18:43]
Birdman: noo i prefer them after this next auction [18:43]
Diana_Coman_: anyway, it's about 711k, not that close to 1mn [18:44]
Birdman: ah [18:44]
Birdman: still pretty hefty [18:44]
Diana_Coman_: well, if bids go crazy it might not change anything or otherwise increase the overall price, lol [18:44]
Birdman: yeah should be interesting [18:44]
Diana_Coman_: anyway, no hurry as I'm out of grubsilk thread which is a pain to make; will have to gather everything to make a run of that [18:44]
Diana_Coman_: tomes really are a pain to make for all sorts of reason: canines, blueprints, 4 grubsilk threads - killer [18:45]
Diana_Coman_: by comparison 15 shed snakeskins are not even a problem [18:45]
Birdman: how high tier of a craft is the gst? [18:46]
Diana_Coman_: well, gst is about 4 runs in the samovar and 6 in the craft-table at least (it takes 2 gins each, which take in turn clover +flask, so for one thing it's already 2 runs in the samovar + 3 in the craft table and that's just for 1 gin) [18:48]
Birdman: crazy stuff [18:48]
Diana_Coman_: that's why the markup on this won't really go very low for sure anyway [18:48]
Diana_Coman_: and each tome takes 4 (!) grubsilk threads [18:49]
Birdman: i've some theories on makin em myself [18:49]
Diana_Coman_: go ahead [18:49]
Birdman: but they'd come out low q [18:50]
Birdman: but i have shit tons of the bps needed [18:50]
Diana_Coman_: well, I'll certainly not use low q, lol [18:50]
Birdman: right, but a noob could make use of them [18:50]
Birdman: im gonna see anyways [18:50]
Diana_Coman_: that's the other killer: to make such high q tomes, it's pretty much everything high q in there [18:50]
Birdman: dont have alot of info on the consid loots [18:50]
Diana_Coman_: uhm, oc is still oc [18:50]
Birdman: huh? [18:51]
Diana_Coman_: overcraft is still output - input [18:51]
Diana_Coman_: what info is missing there exactly? [18:51]
Birdman: what types of loot you get [18:51]
Diana_Coman_: blueprints? [18:51]
Diana_Coman_: lol [18:51]
Birdman: dont really need more high q craft table blueprints [18:51]
Diana_Coman_: ahahahah, myeah [18:52]
mircea_popescu: actually... [18:52]
Diana_Coman_: what, opening a furniture store? [18:52]
Birdman: so if i could fine tune the lowest q tomes i need to get certain quantity and quality from a noob crafter thats definitely more efficient [18:52]
Diana_Coman_: any tuning is more efficient than no tuning, certainly [18:53]
Diana_Coman_: well, any *good* tuning [18:53]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, opening 7mn ; 500 FT, q 211, opening 9mn ; 40 CS, opening 1mn ; 49 ISP, d 32542, opening 2mn ; eta 17:00 ART [18:55]
Birdman: 1mn cs [18:56]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, opening 7mn ; 500 FT, q 211, opening 9mn ; 40 CS, 1mn heard Birdman ; 49 ISP, d 32542, opening 2mn ; eta 17:00 ART [18:58]
Birdman: what are the rest of those things? [18:59]
mircea_popescu: grubsilk thread, flinty toothpaste, chetty sticks and improved stone pickaxe, respectively [19:00]
zakorus123: are there any other skills besides building tinkering and gathering? if so how do i get them? [19:02]
mircea_popescu: there are ; from books or items [19:02]
zakorus123: ok [19:02]
zakorus123: how much do they sell for? [19:02]
zakorus123: the books and items? [19:02]
mircea_popescu: they don't really sell, but millions [19:02]
zakorus123: how do i get them besides buying them? [19:03]
Birdman: the sacrifice line i guess [19:04]
mircea_popescu: well you could craft them, provided you had the bp [19:04]
zakorus123: ic [19:05]
Birdman: and building small claims [19:05]
Birdman: ^_^ [19:05]
zakorus123: oh ic [19:05]
mircea_popescu: lol. yeah, various activities. [19:05]
zakorus123: if u build a small claim u get a chance then? [19:05]
mircea_popescu: apparently. only happened like... once ? to date. [19:05]
zakorus123: wow [19:06]
Diana_Coman_: mircea_popescu, 7mn on the gt, 9mn on the ft, 1.25 on the cs, 2mn on the isp [19:09]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1mn heard Birdman ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; eta 17:00 ART [19:10]
Diana_Coman_: uhm? [19:10]
mircea_popescu: oh missed 1 [19:10]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.25mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; eta 17:00 ART [19:10]
Diana_Coman_: thanks [19:10]
mircea_popescu: anyway, should be a decent batch of cs, provided yo umanage to find the sb for it all. [19:11]
mircea_popescu: needs like 4 stacks or what. [19:11]
Diana_Coman_: myeah, I'm actually going through my last 150 ppb as we speak [19:11]
Diana_Coman_: I can always get huge quantity fast at the expense of quality ofc [19:11]
Diana_Coman_: not ideal though [19:12]
mircea_popescu: always the trade huh. [19:12]
Diana_Coman_: on the other hand, with ft at 226 and my pss at 258 I can even still make usable cs out of shitty ppb if truly desperate [19:13]
Diana_Coman_: so one way or another I'll go through all that in the end [19:13]
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't piss on cs bps tbh. [19:14]
Diana_Coman_: that's the rub [19:14]
Birdman: yeah it is a total pain to get larger quantities of things these days [19:14]
Diana_Coman_: low q is not a pain, no [19:15]
Diana_Coman_: just a ..waste, lol [19:15]
Birdman: well yeah cant turn a bunch of q1 into q200 anymore [19:15]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which... i'd be more than open to processing... uh i dunno, about 2-300k or so sb atm ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu: thirty stacks should do just fine. anyone got it ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu: paying in cash! [19:17]
Diana_Coman_: on the other hand one can turn 1 cs into a canine at 600 q no problem, hence more than 31k bv [19:17]
mircea_popescu: yeah fuynny how that works huh. canines will end up oversupplied. [19:17]
Diana_Coman_: really ? lol [19:18]
Diana_Coman_: that's fine with me, I'll keep trying for bubbles [19:18]
Birdman: i'd be using them on beans just cause i bought a ton of bundles way back [19:18]
Diana_Coman_: by the time *those* are oversupplied, I'll find a use for craft-table bps I suppose [19:18]
Birdman: have like 2 stacks of them [19:18]
Diana_Coman_: given that 1 bubble even at 100q is 43k, I should actually use ALL cs on that only, uhm [19:19]
Birdman: yeah probably [19:20]
Birdman: and should be barehanding them too [19:20]
Diana_Coman_: well, first let's see if I get those cs or still have to make my own [19:20]
Diana_Coman_: bwahahahah Birdman [19:20]
Birdman: they definitely go much easier than they come [19:20]
Diana_Coman_: getting a bubble barehanded would be nice, but I gave up on foxy striking lucky stuff [19:21]
Birdman: eventually right [19:21]
Birdman: level 600+ gathering has to be good for somethin [19:21]
Diana_Coman_: well, if it takes her 1 month of barehanded to get 1 bubble, it's actually a loss by then probably [19:22]
Birdman: yeah probably [19:22]
zakorus123: so how long has the game been running for? [19:56]
zakorus123: when did it start [19:57]
zakorus123: nvm found it on sm [19:59]
zakorus123: g [19:59]
zakorus123: june 1st of last year... wow [19:59]
zakorus123: les than a year old [19:59]
zakorus123: so cool [19:59]
zakorus123: i guess id be a somewhat early adopter [19:59]
alikim: birdman: you stuff's ready [20:00]
alikim: I out into the screen [20:00]
alikim: =put [20:01]
Birdman: thanks be in town soon [20:03]
alikim: kk [20:03]
mircea_popescu: zakorus123 sure, we're all early adopters. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: anyway Diana_Coman_ Birdman etc : plox consider using some for sb too [20:05]
mircea_popescu: gotta be able to make more, after all. where the fuck will we be if we use all the cs on stuff and can't make more [20:05]
zakorus123: cool [20:06]
Birdman: alikim step away quick [20:06]
Birdman: heh they're all quality 5 bps [20:06]
zakorus123: is that bad? [20:06]
Birdman: well that went tits up huh, can always shred [20:06]
Birdman: yeah [20:07]
zakorus123: sorry to hear [20:07]
Birdman: wonder what i'd have gotten [20:07]
zakorus123: alikim whats your tinkering skill? [20:07]
Birdman: thanks alikim [20:08]
zakorus123: mines already 24 [20:08]
alikim: thanks birdman [20:08]
zakorus123: :) [20:08]
mircea_popescu: Birdman what are they ? [20:08]
alikim: I don't have tinkering skill [20:08]
zakorus123: 0_0 [20:08]
zakorus123: no wonder [20:08]
Birdman: mostly flatbread and few thousand FT [20:09]
mircea_popescu: interesting. ft may be worth fdough [20:09]
zakorus123: lol [20:09]
zakorus123: then i guess its a good thing [20:09]
Birdman: yeah [20:09]
Birdman: heh not quite [20:09]
zakorus123: ic ic [20:10]
zakorus123: so -overall then... that sucks [20:10]
Birdman: the only thing usefull about it is i can do a few nice shreds in the future and maybe get some q600+ bits and numina [20:10]
zakorus123: cool [20:11]
mircea_popescu: how many ft is it ? [20:11]
Birdman: bit over 2700 [20:11]
mircea_popescu: how much for 'em ? [20:11]
Birdman: i'd be happy with 200k [20:12]
zakorus123: wot [20:13]
mircea_popescu: sold. [20:13]
zakorus123: thats way less than what id ask [20:13]
zakorus123: lol [20:13]
Birdman: thats pushing 230\% over base value or something [20:13]
zakorus123: rlly? u sure? [20:13]
zakorus123: 0_o [20:14]
zakorus123: guess i dont know value yet [20:14]
zakorus123: at all [20:14]
mircea_popescu: trade Birdman ? [20:14]
Birdman: its actually about 2800 but no big deal [20:16]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [20:16]
mircea_popescu: btw anyone got ae ? [20:16]
Birdman: ty [20:16]
zakorus123: afk [20:19]
mircea_popescu: jesus im seeing 3 second pings [20:28]
Birdman: seems i go through about 1k bits in 24 hours [20:36]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 2.1 mn the isp [21:39]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.25mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2.1mn heard danielpbarron ; eta 17:00 ART [21:48]
zakorus123: birdman where do you usually mine i have a hard time finding good claims [22:04]
zakorus123: cus going thru 1000 bits a day [22:04]
zakorus123: thats alot [22:04]
zakorus123: i usually at most go thru 55 [22:05]
Birdman: gathering rank [23:05]
mircea_popescu: i think serious miners are going through a stack of lbn/day [23:18]
Birdman: probably use alot more tools than i do [23:24]
Birdman: i got my guy set up finding high tier farming stuff too, only two basics at the spot [23:24]
Birdman: still, a stack is quite a bit more [23:25]

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