#eulora Logs for 18 Apr 2016



April 18th, 2016 by Diana Coman
danielpbarron: so how many bits for 100k? [00:24]
Birdman: 192 q434 lbn [00:33]
Birdman: seems outrageous right? its like 1100\% over bv [00:34]
Birdman: but when you can turn that 1k bv resource into q300 or w/e it suddenly becomes worth it [00:35]
mircea_popescu: Birdman\x08>\x08\x0F also i ran out of space in storage for basic harvests. << holy shit what ?! that's 200 stacks ? 2mn items ?! [01:42]
mircea_popescu: so with this auction, for the first time in recorded history the total base value of items held by players exceeded the total ECu held by players. [02:14]
mircea_popescu: up (1916 + 1858) / (160 + 98) = 14.6x since june 1st 2015. 10x the cash, 20x the goods. [02:16]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 15mn on the adzes [02:19]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, q 15048 ea. comes to 10 mn almost (within three nines!). heard 15mn diana_coman . eta 17:00 ART april 19th [02:20]
diana_coman: Birdman> also i ran out of space in storage for basic harvests. i have decent stocks of all of them probably in the q200 range if anyone wants to buy me out, 40\% above q adj bv <- 40\% for basics o.o [02:20]
diana_coman: curious if they sell at that price really [02:20]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i finally started a cons megacraft [02:21]
mircea_popescu: curious what comes out of this. [02:21]
diana_coman: what is a cons megacraft? [02:21]
mircea_popescu: ~50mn worth of apprentice bouq considerations clicking [02:21]
diana_coman: wow, should get something interesting out of that [02:21]
mircea_popescu: hopefully. [02:22]
diana_coman: I guess I need to make another batch of cs and go get more canines [02:22]
diana_coman: do you have any ppb? [02:22]
mircea_popescu: yeah this will put books and bod in huge demand so people can process the output i guess. [02:22]
mircea_popescu: nope, zilch. [02:22]
diana_coman: sigh [02:23]
mircea_popescu: hey birdman : suppose i buy out your basics at your 140\% by paying you in lbn at your 1.2x q point ? [02:23]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman adze just as good! :D [02:23]
diana_coman: given that I have to do *everything* from scratch, I just really don't have any time to make basic tools too [02:24]
diana_coman: that's the rub basically [02:24]
diana_coman: azdes still suck the most in my books, but it's not as if there was any choice [02:24]
mircea_popescu: so the auction with abc was on feb 9th. i finally am doing a substantial run, april 18th. bejeez. [02:25]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman orly ? what's your prefered in your books ? [02:25]
diana_coman: "euloa players - why you so slo?" :D [02:25]
mircea_popescu: aha! [02:25]
diana_coman: among basics hoes and pickaxes are quite close really [02:26]
mircea_popescu: well i guess ima make some of those next [02:26]
mircea_popescu: once im done chipping this flotsam into ibs ltf io etc. [02:26]
diana_coman: I kind of wish there was some other tool between imps and cs or even something better than cs, lol [02:26]
mircea_popescu: prolly will be eventually. [02:27]
mircea_popescu: well... there's the imps of course [02:27]
diana_coman: ? [02:31]
diana_coman: ftr I am running out of space in the tools category [02:31]
diana_coman: mainly because of all the toolkits [02:31]
diana_coman: wow, 0.03 btc loot on cons, congrats mircea_popescu [05:13]
alikim: can anyone pls trade me forth and back for a few coppers and an item? [06:16]
diana_coman: trade me alikim [06:17]
alikim: kk [06:17]
alikim: can you put a few coppers and an item in? [06:18]
diana_coman: does that work? [06:19]
alikim: did it work for you? [06:20]
diana_coman: yes [06:20]
diana_coman: all fine here [06:20]
alikim: ok thanks [06:20]
diana_coman: np [06:20]
alikim: I need to fix some things on my side [06:21]
alikim: how do you open private chat? [06:36]
diana_coman: type /tell Foxy bla bla [06:37]
alikim: no, here [06:37]
diana_coman: ah depends on what irc client you are using I suppose, but /msg ? [06:38]
danielpbarron: aww yeah, shiny rock pop [07:34]
danielpbarron: Mon Apr 18 00:54:28 2016, ,-58.20,46.55,47.06,Small Shiny Rock Exploration Marker ,910 [07:35]
danielpbarron: Birdman> 192 q434 lbn << deal. [07:35]
danielpbarron: and 3 more snakeskins found overnight, and a bird's nest ord [07:39]
danielpbarron: and the bot stopped just as i was coming back from breakfast, not overweight per se, but exactly at weight! [07:41]
danielpbarron: had to drop a single tiny ennumeration in order to walk [07:41]
diana_coman: congrats danielpbarron [07:46]
diana_coman: for some reason Foxy basically saw a pop only once in all this time, lol [07:47]
mircea_popescu: yay woot! [11:33]
mircea_popescu: thanks diana_coman [11:33]
mircea_popescu: ah nice danielpbarron. you selling any ? [11:34]
mircea_popescu: lol talk about a breakfast of champions. [11:35]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, d 15048 15mn heard diana_coman ; selling one stack lbn, q 227 opening 1.5mn. eta 17:00 ART april 19th [11:37]
mircea_popescu: (bout half what birdman's formula values it at) [11:38]
diana_coman: 1.5mn on the lbn mircea_popescu [11:43]
danielpbarron: at the rate i find tiny rares, it would take years to use up a stack of bits [11:44]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, d 15048 15mn heard diana_coman ; selling one stack lbn, q 227 1.5mn heard diana_coman eta 17:00 ART april 19th [11:44]
diana_coman: is fine to be stocked for years, if only [11:45]
mircea_popescu: :) [11:45]
diana_coman: any preference from the public re: more canines (tomes) or more pb (turning wheels)? [11:46]
mircea_popescu: more sr. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: i need like 5 stacks as it is. [11:47]
diana_coman: well, there are others who can get sr , but not really others as far as I know who can get canines and pb so ... [11:48]
mircea_popescu: others who. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: mod6 ? [11:48]
diana_coman: Birdman, ? [11:48]
diana_coman: alikim, ? [11:48]
diana_coman: hanbot, ? [11:48]
mircea_popescu: i thought birdman's crafting and alikim coding [11:48]
diana_coman: birdman seems to be gathering there in the fields, lol [11:48]
mircea_popescu: waves at Birdman :D [11:48]
alikim: I'm coding claim container, why? [11:49]
mircea_popescu: alikim no worries, we're just looking for mo miners. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: ahh it's so nice to make a large clean craft like abc overnight. chat not overrun with craft spam, can actually be read. lesseee. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: 0.01 pop ; 0.03 also [11:51]
mircea_popescu: SVEET. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: but in even better news : started with 33 abcs, did 10 clicks, have 35 abcs! [11:51]
hanbot: can work on some sr, atm working out ist stuff. don't think i can 20k 'em anymoar. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: we need a luck goddess. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: rub her... uh... titties. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: btw alikim you know how to use the logs to catch up on conversation if you're offline ? [11:53]
alikim: here on irc? yes [11:54]
mircea_popescu: cool. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, [13:17]
mircea_popescu: "Rogues are scissors. Warriors are rock. Hunters, paladins, priests, druids, mages, and shamans are paper. Warlocks are mushrooms. Paper beats rock. Scissors beat paper. Scissors also happen to beat rock... until rock hits sixty at which point rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that also beats paper, and would beat scissors, but it can't find scissors, because scissors are invisible. So scissors beat paper and avoid r [13:17]
mircea_popescu: ock, and that is called balance." [13:18]
mircea_popescu: the problems of mmos... [13:18]
hanbot: mircea_popescu 16mn the adzes, 1.75mn the lbn stack please. [13:56]
hanbot: Birdman you'll have to consider some sorta supplication throw-in for more tokens; it's untenable as is. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, d 15048 16mn heard hanbot ; selling one stack lbn, q 227 1.75mn heard hanbot eta 17:00 ART april 19th [13:59]
hanbot: meanwhile, AUCTION of 29 Giant's Rotten Canines at quality 128, base value 200k, opens at 220k, auction ends midnight tonight ART [14:00]
mircea_popescu: 500k [14:01]
diana_coman: ah, canines and the like are also obtained from sacrifice, aren't they; I had forgotten that entirely, huh [14:11]
hanbot: AUCTION of 29 Giant's Rotten Canines at quality 128, base value 200k, 500k heard mircea_popescu, auction ends midnight tonight ART [14:15]
hanbot: diana_coman various stuffs are thus obtained, yeah. still trying to find out how to make more skill items/other as yet unknown rarities this way, though the supplication dryup doesn't bode well [14:17]
hanbot: add to that the stagnancy of the existing altar bps and...where's that canonball hitting water sound effect? [14:17]
Birdman: i used all the sr i found for srs [14:40]
diana_coman: yeah, would love to help there hanbot but unfortunately Foxy seems to such totally at getting bps, so it's kind of out of my hands entirely - all I can do is to supply people with high q bods and tomes , hoping that someone will loot altar bps and the like [14:41]
Birdman: <danielpbarron> you around [14:44]
hanbot: diana_coman yeah, sounds like you're doing the right thing there. [14:45]
Birdman: hanbot im already paying some 2000\% on the tokens, i have supplications for sale though [14:46]
Birdman: but while paying 250\% on every step of a consideration i need to gouge myself [14:46]
hanbot: Birdman I can appreciate that. just...with the high price of wine and the finite altar clicks, high-cost supplications make cheap tokens a losing proposition. i sold cheap for a while as a curiosity, but it can't continue. [14:52]
Birdman: no doubt, but the point of the that skill line, and the supplications isnt the tokens, they're inconsequential [14:53]
Birdman: i assume they loot/produce more valueable useful things [14:53]
Birdman: my guy actually filled up gathering overnight with enumerations :o [14:54]
hanbot: they loot/produce potentially more valuable things, sure, but the higher stuffs come with grotesque, not inconsequential, tokens. so it's a (har har) sacrifice. and ugh i hate that filling up with enums jazz. [15:10]
diana_coman: how do you fill up with enums exactly? I mean: they all go to the same stack, so can't quite see why would you fill up? [15:11]
hanbot: different resources & different sizes [15:17]
danielpbarron: they weigh something [15:18]
hanbot: also when that happens to me the bot starts keeping keys too, so it gets crammed pretty quickly [15:18]
diana_coman: uhm, inv slots accommodate about 15 resources easily as I don't assume you really get ordinaries now for all of them , do you? the weight thing I see, getting overweight on enums yes [15:19]
danielpbarron: my high strength is finally paying off [15:19]
diana_coman: dunno, I left it overnight with only threads and it had found all sorts (including sr ord) but it didn't fill up the inv really [15:20]
diana_coman: hanbot, it probably doesn't find the key as it ends up in your hand or something - that's why it "keeps" it [15:20]
diana_coman: it basically doesn't manage to move it to the claim [15:21]
hanbot: diana_coman for me typically it's ~12 resources in small amounts, 24 slots taken up by enum stacks, a few for my threads etc, rest is keys. [15:21]
hanbot: and yeah i typically find something where it doesn't belong in my "costume" when that happens [15:21]
hanbot: last time i had a stack of ~50 various enums in my left hand, heh. [15:22]
danielpbarron: "a few" for threads?? [15:22]
diana_coman: I suppose that's the trouble, the a few slots for threads [15:22]
hanbot: threads/lbn/tools [15:22]
diana_coman: oh, I thought you meant barehanded? [15:22]
hanbot: one for each i mean. [15:22]
hanbot: nah [15:22]
danielpbarron: 1k threads is more than enough to last my guy till he fills up [15:23]
hanbot: same [15:23]
diana_coman: Birdman, you left some branches on the ground in the village [15:30]
Birdman: ah no kidding, thanks [15:59]
Birdman: <diana_coman>how do you fill up with enums exactly? I mean: they all go to the same stack, so can't quite see why would you fill up? << weight [16:21]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, listen, re http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-17.log.html#t22:15:29 : it's becoming obvious to me that i won't be looting any altar bps. it seems the likely substitute here is to trade you apprentice mcguyver consen for it. so as settlement of the deal, i'm prepared to hand over 18 q 468 for a total of slightly more than the 1.5mn. this acceptable ? [16:49]
diana_coman: 2mn on the lbn mircea_popescu [17:39]
Birdman: seems the price on those bits is creeping up [17:50]
diana_coman: quite a way to go to your prices though [17:50]
Birdman: yeh [17:50]
Birdman: nearly my price on anything under q400 though [17:50]
Birdman: the 400+ are just rare and irreplacable [17:51]
diana_coman: hm, what are you selling lbn under 400q for? [17:51]
Birdman: 1:1 ecu:quality [17:51]
diana_coman: that'd be closer to 2.3mn for a stack at 220q (assuming you have a stack at least) [17:52]
Birdman: yep [17:53]
Birdman: who knows whats to come with mp clicking 50mn consids though [17:54]
diana_coman: what is the max q bits you have under 400+ ? [17:54]
Birdman: 330 i think [17:54]
Birdman: really the money is to be made with the 400+, so what you pay over 400 for this bit, the increase in quality on that 1.2k bv resource will more than cover it, profit per claim [17:56]
Birdman: they aren't really meant for just any resources [17:56]
diana_coman: neah, because high q resources I find small or ord, not tiny [17:56]
Birdman: huh? the logic is you get less smalls/ords on the rare stuff, and even so you wont be wasting the tinies [17:57]
diana_coman: I am not wasting any tinies, lol [17:57]
Birdman: so you'd want max profit per claim, increase in bit cost < increase in bv [17:57]
Birdman: of resource you're getting [17:57]
Birdman: in theory at least [17:57]
diana_coman: not if the cost increases more, lol [17:57]
Birdman: danielpbarron seemed happy with his results from my bits [17:58]
diana_coman: what does that have to do with me? [17:58]
diana_coman: glad that he's happy, good for him [17:58]
Birdman: heh was just to say someone's made use of them [17:59]
diana_coman: why, was there a suspicion that they were somehow defective lbn? lol [18:01]
diana_coman: sure, they work [18:01]
Birdman: someone thought they work ~better~ than others available is all [18:02]
Birdman: for teh price [18:02]
diana_coman: "someone thought" is no argument for anything [18:04]
diana_coman: but to be clear: I am sure they can deliver value in a certain approach, but I consider my current approach better and they don't fit it [18:05]
diana_coman: curious though if your market (that's what you are saying) is of any significant size [18:06]
Birdman: well i've probably got 20k+ bits and the maculature to shred another 20k [18:06]
diana_coman: oh, the 400+ are from maculature? I thought those were from shredding bps directly if you said they were irreplaceable [18:07]
Birdman: and no the argment is proven by maths, im just saying someone we mutually trust to be of a certain competence has found value in them himself so might be worth looking into is all [18:07]
diana_coman: so how/why are they irreplaceable? [18:07]
Birdman: they are from bps [18:07]
diana_coman: Birdman> well i've probably got 20k+ bits and the maculature to shred another 20k <- so then what is this about? [18:08]
Birdman: exactly that lol, i cant make any more 400+ right now, but the consideration maculatures are part of my 'market' or w/e [18:09]
diana_coman: I meant the market for those 400+ since you price them differently etc but whatevs [18:09]
Birdman: ah [18:09]
Birdman: probably a stack of those [18:09]
diana_coman: <Birdman> and no the argment is proven by maths, im just saying someone we mutually trust to be of a certain competence has found value in them himself so might be worth looking into is all <- I have the numbers, ran the numbers, hence looked into it. [18:12]
Birdman: allllright [18:13]
Birdman: difference for me from q330 to q440 bits is nearly 80 q points iirc on basics [18:14]
diana_coman: that's interesting, because for me it is less [18:15]
Birdman: im gonna check now [18:16]
Birdman: q330 bit q164 rr q454 bit q191 rf [18:17]
Birdman: so definitely not 80 lol [18:17]
diana_coman: lol [18:17]
Birdman: but my building is sub par and i am barehanding [18:18]
diana_coman: does barehanding make a diff re q? [18:18]
Birdman: it used to make claim output different right? [18:18]
Birdman: plus all barehanded ords/small enums are inferior irrelevant of quality [18:18]
diana_coman: iirc as total value, but that's not to say as q, never noticed a diff in q nowadays between my claims obtained with various tools/bh [18:19]
diana_coman: well, my xp has always been that bh ords suck big time [18:19]
diana_coman: I kind of loathe them tbh [18:19]
Birdman: if that same 30 q points holds through to say molluscs or w/e then 30\% of that base value is added for a 540 bit so there might be more profit per claim in it [18:19]
diana_coman: better an honest tiny/small out of bh then those shitty ords [18:19]
Birdman: seems my bare handed ords are always xp pops [18:19]
diana_coman: but I never noticed a difference in q of output really [18:20]
diana_coman: uhm, didn't really check the xp, I meant strictly as what I get out of them and whether they are positive - I have yet to see one in the green [18:20]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, d 15048 16mn heard hanbot ; selling one stack lbn, q 227 2mn heard diana_coman eta 17:00 ART april 19th [18:30]
mircea_popescu: actually : ima do a split auction here. diana_coman meet me in town, you got this stack. meanwhile : [18:31]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, d 15048 16mn heard hanbot ; selling 9960 lbn, q 235 1.75mn heard hanbot eta 17:00 ART april 19th [18:32]
diana_coman: hm [18:32]
diana_coman: building an ord, will come as soon as it's done [18:33]
mircea_popescu: aite. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: you wanna go 2mn again btw ? :D [18:35]
diana_coman: I was considering that, seriously [18:35]
diana_coman: 135 ss from a cs ord, yay [18:35]
mircea_popescu: wow nice going [18:36]
diana_coman: on the other hand, that's barely 10 tomes, lol [18:36]
mircea_popescu: yeah but tomes are serious ecu. [18:36]
diana_coman: in town [18:37]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [18:38]
diana_coman: goody [18:38]
mircea_popescu: stack of lbn is good for what, like 2mn worth of tool decay ? 3 ? [18:39]
diana_coman: well, atm it's like...what tools? lol [18:39]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:39]
mircea_popescu: adzes on auction! :D [18:39]
diana_coman: kind of still calculating on that one [18:39]
diana_coman: thing is: I *can* make tools even though I'd rather not lose the time with that [18:40]
diana_coman: on the other hand, NO bps for more screens so ...ugh [18:40]
mircea_popescu: they do take forever. [18:41]
diana_coman: I suppose I'll end up making imps although that'll be a ton of bms hence of toolkits ... [18:43]
mircea_popescu: i only got a few tkt bps tho [18:57]
diana_coman: I still have enough of those really [19:00]
diana_coman: more annoying that used tools make shitty imps [19:00]
diana_coman: used tools seem to be good actually for making toolkits as they seem to count as 100\% [19:00]
mircea_popescu: yeah but you'd still wantto use good tools get that sweet oc [19:01]
diana_coman: I was more concerned there about the time that it takes to make imps vs basics [19:01]
diana_coman: not sure it's any faster, lol [19:01]
mircea_popescu: imps are pretty slow in my experience. [19:02]
mircea_popescu: anyway if you recall this was the dilemma of ages at some point, i ended up deciding not to make imps [19:02]
diana_coman: I meant the whole chain to get them done as otherwise yes, they are slower to make (higher bv, no?) [19:02]
mircea_popescu: they seemed to me disproportionately slow even. [19:02]
diana_coman: I have quite the stocks of worn-out tools, quite sure more than I have toolkit bps for [19:03]
diana_coman: hm [19:03]
mircea_popescu: yerah that's a problem huh [19:03]
diana_coman: they take bms and slag; on the other hand basic tools take dg and shaped slag (which is quite slow) [19:03]
diana_coman: hm [19:03]
diana_coman: not to mention that shaped slag takes oil which is again not terribly fast + it takes ltf etc [19:04]
mircea_popescu: the thing is : IF you get a huge oc for bms, you might even loot multiple studs per click [19:04]
diana_coman: that's actually the way to do it, huh [19:04]
mircea_popescu: with any luck. [19:04]
diana_coman: oh well, not foxy's speciality [19:05]
diana_coman: foxy should probably do ONLY undercrafts or something [19:05]
mircea_popescu: low q bms bps prolly would help a lot. [19:05]
diana_coman: sure profits, lol [19:05]
mircea_popescu: as would a noob crafter. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: actually - i think we just uncovered THE thing to do for the noob wanting to start crafting. [19:05]
diana_coman: a well, noob crafters are not helping - they are missing rather [19:05]
mircea_popescu: get some high q slag and buy toolkits, low q bms bps [19:06]
mircea_popescu: and knock yourself out with it [19:06]
diana_coman: as if there wasn't anything for them to do, lol [19:06]
mircea_popescu: seeing how bms are really wanted in quantity not so much quality [19:06]
diana_coman: they are what, 7k out of 44k the whole imp [19:07]
mircea_popescu: yeah yet most of the cost because 12 btk hits. [19:07]
diana_coman: yes [19:07]
mircea_popescu: i'd say half of the premium on an imp is due to the bms requirement [19:07]
mircea_popescu: 5 not 12. still. [19:07]
diana_coman: 5 bms, each bms is bv 1.6 almost [19:08]
diana_coman: 1.6k I mean, hence my 7k figure using 1.5k /bms [19:08]
mircea_popescu: basically, you're stuck with 11k of toolkit decay per imp. that's like 20k or so in premiums. if it can be cut in half, that's 10k less overhead per imp [19:08]
diana_coman: aha [19:09]
mircea_popescu: otherwise, an imp costs 20k before you even set your tools out to make it. add to it bp and the slag... [19:10]
mircea_popescu: suppose you take a 15k bundle into a 30k tool. counting premiums et all your costs are say the 20k + 25k = 45k so the tool is 150\% [19:10]
mircea_popescu: you know this isn't so terrible really ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu: i think ima go for a run of imp hoes later just to see. [19:11]
diana_coman: lol [19:11]
mircea_popescu: i don't have that many plans, turns out. but prolly worth making the ones i have. [19:13]
hanbot: <diana_coman> "someone thought" is no argument for anything << haha diana_coman's on a roll here, pleasant argument to read. :) [19:32]
diana_coman: heh, cheers hanbot [19:33]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/ <<< early may auction announcement. [19:58]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman> well, my xp has always been that bh ords suck big time << yeah the few i mined were always underwhelming [20:00]
mircea_popescu: maybe we just don't do it right. [20:00]

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