#eulora Logs for 17 Apr 2016

April 17th, 2016 by Diana Coman
diana_coman: server back up [00:45]
Birdman: it wasnt me that broke it was it? [01:10]
Birdman: do i need to add time values for the bot? its acting as if the craft is much shorter than it is [01:12]
Birdman: pretty sure its about to crash [01:19]
diana_coman: Birdman, it was [01:57]
Birdman: i figured as much [01:58]
diana_coman: well, if you can't refrain from messing up with the craft, then it'll have to wait until I add something [01:58]
diana_coman: and yes, of course you have to add values for the bot, jeez [02:00]
Birdman: alllright [02:01]
diana_coman: Birdman, did it give you the message that you moved something? [02:03]
diana_coman: "You were unsuccessful since you moved something"? [02:03]
Birdman: yeah [02:03]
diana_coman: good [02:03]
alikim: server down again? [02:04]
diana_coman: yes alikim , it's same thing so I'm on it to fix [02:11]
alikim: kk [02:11]
diana_coman: back on [02:26]
diana_coman: Birdman, try same thing again at least [02:26]
diana_coman: if we are at it [02:26]
diana_coman: aha, lol [02:26]
Birdman: huh? [02:27]
diana_coman: nope, not yet fixed [02:27]
Birdman: my bad [02:30]
diana_coman: Birdman, log in and run the bot again without any time set [02:38]
diana_coman: it should work now [02:38]
diana_coman: well, you'll still mess up your crafts, ofc [02:39]
diana_coman: server on, hopefully it stays on now [02:39]
mircea_popescu: yay [02:46]
mircea_popescu: alikim btw, dunno how into it you are, but we've been wanting PC models for a long time now also... [02:47]
alikim: I'm not into 3d modelling really [02:50]
mircea_popescu: ah kk [02:52]
alikim: this client could be ported to cryengine I think [02:53]
mircea_popescu: sure. [02:54]
alikim: if you marry existing network code with a network stub provided with CE client [02:54]
mircea_popescu: you recall the convo re this, do you ? [02:55]
alikim: not really [02:55]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-04-12.log.html#t22:02:49 [02:56]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-04-12 (at logs.minigame.bz) [02:56]
mircea_popescu: in short, the problem's not technological. [02:57]
alikim: last I checked CE forums a few years ago, there have been tons of people there offering CE design close to nothing. IN a couple of hours they can create island 10 times bigger than this one with forests waterfalls desets lakes w/e and it looks pretty [02:58]
alikim: can be more than couple hunder bucks [02:58]
alikim: =can't [02:58]
alikim: students do it for portfolio close to nothing [02:58]
alikim: I think it only gets cheaper [02:59]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile eulora's been here waiting. [02:59]
mircea_popescu: which forums are these ? [02:59]
alikim: let me find [02:59]
alikim: https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewforum.php?f=278 [03:06]
lobbesbot: Title: CRYENGINE Levels (at www.cryengine.com) [03:06]
alikim: I'm pretty sure you can have a small island for free [03:07]
alikim: models will most likely cost you couple bucks [03:07]
alikim: https://www.cryengine.com/marketplace/category/308 [03:07]
mircea_popescu: in principle i have no problem with paying, but market rate not insanities. [03:07]
lobbesbot: Title: CRYENGINE The complete solution for next generation game development by Crytek (at www.cryengine.com) [03:07]
mircea_popescu: do you have an account there ? [03:07]
alikim: no I think you register for free? [03:08]
mircea_popescu: so do you follow this forum ? or how would you know ? [03:08]
alikim: last time I was interested many years ago when CE license for commercial use would cost millions 5707 [03:08]
alikim: but then they strted selling mothly subscriptions for 5 bucks [03:09]
alikim: kinda big change [03:09]
alikim: so now you can have commercial CE for like 60 bucks a year with shitload of free levels models textures and stuff [03:09]
alikim: https://www.cryengine.com/get-cryengine [03:10]
lobbesbot: Title: CRYENGINE Crytek (at www.cryengine.com) [03:10]
mircea_popescu: heh mkay. [03:10]
mircea_popescu: to simplify things : if you know reasonable artists, by all means, introduce them. [03:10]
alikim: one of two best engines in the world, pretty as it gets [03:10]
mircea_popescu: outside of that... whatever. [03:10]
alikim: you can register on that forum and ask if someone is willing to design you a small island, I'm pretty sure people will do it for as low as couple hundred bucks, at least that's how it was a few years ago [03:12]
mircea_popescu: there's no substance to this "pretty sure" of yours. [03:13]
mircea_popescu: if you wanna recommend something, sure. if you don't as much as have an account, the place does not exist as far as you're concerned. [03:14]
alikim: oh boy [03:15]
mircea_popescu: well whadda ya want ? [03:15]
mircea_popescu: "oh you should go to monaco, best parties" "where you staying in monaco ?" "oh, i've never been" [03:16]
mircea_popescu: what is this! [03:16]
alikim: as an owner of a game I guess you should be self encouraged enough to register on a forum, takes 1 min, and actually find out how much is a small island and a couple of models, instead of waiting for years for someone to reccomend you something [03:25]
mircea_popescu: mno. random company wants me to use its products, it'd better come and pitch. [03:25]
mircea_popescu: the odds of me registering on random webforum are ~0. [03:25]
mircea_popescu: if it's in your wot i may consider it as such ; but outside of that it fails to interest. [03:26]
alikim: when it comes to 3d engines this is the forum, not a forum, unless you want to use unreal engine. if you are too lazy to even register on the biggest 3d engine forum and actually find prices, how can you tell that 3d atrists are expensive? [03:31]
mircea_popescu: not a matter of lazy. it's a matter of process. i exist to force the entire world to go through my chosen needle eye, not to register on fucking forums wtf. [03:31]
mircea_popescu: seriously, the odds of me registering on one are nil. i actually hired someone to do pr on the tardstalk forum. [03:32]
alikim: how do you know that making 3d models and levels is expensive? [03:32]
alikim: I'm showing you the biggest site in the world where modls are sold at 2-4 bucks for the best engine in the world [03:33]
mircea_popescu: i've been in business for decades by now. i know things. [03:33]
alikim: where do you get your information? [03:33]
mircea_popescu: mno, you're showing me some shitty website. [03:33]
alikim: cryengine is shit? [03:33]
mircea_popescu: ~the website~ is shitty. [03:34]
alikim: in what aspect? [03:34]
mircea_popescu: in the aspect where it's a free webforum nobody i know participates on. [03:34]
mircea_popescu: if walmart makes a walmart-forum.com tomorrow you're going to think that by registering on that shitty website you're interacting with "the billion dollar company" ? [03:34]
Birdman: <mircea_popescu>not a matter of lazy. it's a matter of process. i exist to force the entire world to go through my chosen needle eye << thats the dream right [03:35]
mircea_popescu: mno, that's teh life Birdman :D [03:35]
Birdman: maybe for you!! lol [03:35]
alikim: so when you say 3d art is expensive that means people you actually personally know or who have been recomended to you were expensive and low quality? [03:36]
alikim: because you don't bother to actually go to the market? [03:37]
mircea_popescu: not exactly, no. but yes there've been 2-3 derps came here trying to get a living wage out of not doing anything in particular under the title of "doing artwork". [03:37]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile - "the market" in the sense you use it is always and everywhere a joke. [03:37]
mircea_popescu: you can probably get a coupla dozen sleeping pills delivered by that "market". it's always a toy. [03:37]
alikim: you mean I can't buy cheap good quality 3d? [03:38]
mircea_popescu: it was a toy when it was calling itself "silk road" and imagined itself "the BIGGEST IN TEH WERLD!!!1!" while being unable to move a kilo of coke over xmas. [03:38]
mircea_popescu: it is still always going to be a toy. [03:38]
mircea_popescu: i mean that if i can or i can't, it won't be through making a free account on whatever forum. [03:38]
alikim: well I definitely can [03:39]
mircea_popescu: good for you ? [03:39]
alikim: you can't because you don't register on "shitty" forum [03:39]
mircea_popescu: so what can you actually do, other than inviting me to make forum accounts. [03:39]
alikim: I don't need 3d art but if I did yeah I easily could [03:40]
mircea_popescu: [things would be so much easier if instead of dodging the "so you have an account ?" question you actually answered it huh!] [03:40]
alikim: I don't have an acoount [03:41]
mircea_popescu: this is becoming quite mysterious! [03:41]
alikim: you can browse that forum w/o an account [03:41]
mircea_popescu: heh mkay. [03:42]
alikim: and see art for sale and price for it, so you can evaluate the quality of what's bein sold [03:42]
mircea_popescu: seriously, one day you're bored / curious about weird things, go read into the web of trust, most serene republic, stuff like that. [03:42]
alikim: thanks, reading this channel is enough ;) [03:44]
mircea_popescu: alternatively, if you feel like playing the broker, i'm willing to entertain it. [03:44]
mircea_popescu: haha, weirdest thing on the plate huh ? [03:44]
alikim: for most of the people it's really easy, you see something you like online, you register on the website, you buy it, you done problem solved and you keep going. but you seem to be willing to wait for years till the world will give it to you thru that special little needle hole of yours [03:46]
alikim: ok by me ;) [03:47]
alikim: not my game [03:47]
mircea_popescu: alikim that's seriously not how it works. yes it's a fine way to buy a new garden gnome. it's not a way to run a business. [04:13]
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/ for the long form of this discussion, i'm not gonna type it in. [04:13]
lobbesbot: Title: What the drug trade is, how the drug trade works and why Silk Road didn't work and didn't matter on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [04:13]
alikim: new storage window is out! http://i.imgur.com/QIaJcOM.jpg [10:44]
diana_coman: heh, not bad alikim [10:45]
diana_coman: why not list the price there too though? [10:46]
diana_coman: as in: base value rather than price [10:46]
alikim: that I didn't check yet, it now comes directly from the message and it's 0 [10:46]
diana_coman: yeah, it is 0 in message, but if you have q and the list of bv (which is available on the website if nothing else) you can calc that anyway [10:47]
alikim: buttons change depending on wether it's in or out [10:47]
diana_coman: anyway I like the design for sure [10:47]
alikim: button Q adds qualities to the list, also was bugging me a lot [10:47]
alikim: that I don't see q [10:48]
diana_coman: oh, I thought that was for taking out a certain quantity rather than quality [10:48]
diana_coman: so how can you take out 3 items? [10:48]
diana_coman: one by one only? [10:48]
alikim: NUM button opens that small window where you can enter amount [10:48]
diana_coman: ah [10:49]
alikim: ONE takes one, ALL takes all [10:49]
alikim: same 3 buttons that you hav enow [10:49]
diana_coman: got that; I don't know why NUM somehow made me think still of some batch stuff [10:50]
diana_coman: possibly because of the icon >> [10:50]
diana_coman: maybe > for "one" and >> for all/num I suppose [10:50]
diana_coman: or that's how my brain sees those icons [10:50]
diana_coman: ftr I don't see any scenario in which I do *not* want to see the quality in that window, lol [10:51]
alikim: well, right now you can't see it, it's not coming with the list of items [10:51]
diana_coman: I know, yes, but I WANT to see it [10:51]
diana_coman: that's what I am saying [10:51]
diana_coman: in other words: the Q button is nice but I don't think I'll ever turn it off if I had it, lol [10:52]
diana_coman: anyways, looks good, well done [10:52]
alikim: just making my life easier ;) [10:53]
diana_coman: heh, so are you going to play now? [10:53]
alikim: I need to finish trading window tomorrow, change that inredibly annoying tooltip that has huge font and someone attached it to the tip of mouse pointer instead o right bottom corner, and then yeah I'll be writing a bot and play the game [10:55]
diana_coman: what bot do you have in mind? [10:55]
alikim: well I'll take your minig bot as an example, just will add my logic to it [10:56]
diana_coman: cool, go for it [10:56]
diana_coman: that's pretty much the way I even want it used at best :) [10:56]
alikim: I just need an example of movement code, I looked around but it seemed messy at low level, how the spped is calculated and stuff [10:58]
alikim: couldn't make much sense out of it at the first glance [10:58]
diana_coman: did you read the description on the blog? [10:59]
diana_coman: the movement part is in MovementStrategy [10:59]
alikim: I'll read the code ;) [10:59]
diana_coman: but in any case: there is no "speed" as such [10:59]
diana_coman: it just turns the character to the direction you want to go in [10:59]
diana_coman: starts movement [10:59]
diana_coman: and then it stops it basically [11:00]
diana_coman: all of the bot (latest version at least) is essentially a state machine [11:00]
alikim: how do you define for how long to move? [11:00]
diana_coman: does something, then sleeps, then wakes up and does next thing [11:00]
diana_coman: this was a design decision to avoid problems with overlapping stuff [11:00]
diana_coman: basically there are only two time parameters [11:01]
diana_coman: first is the duration of one "step" (so that's how long to move as such) [11:01]
alikim: system sleeps or engine provides it's own? [11:01]
diana_coman: the other one is a timeout [11:01]
diana_coman: engine provided [11:01]
diana_coman: and no, it's not sleep [11:01]
diana_coman: it's basically a timer [11:02]
diana_coman: that calls the bot after given milliseconds [11:02]
diana_coman: the timeout thing was added to avoid getting hung up when waiting for some messages [11:02]
diana_coman: ftr the first version of the bot was message-driven [11:02]
diana_coman: so no waking up and stuff [11:03]
diana_coman: just register to the messages one wants, react to those [11:03]
diana_coman: which in principle should be the fastest and best way, but...it didn't work well mainly because messages are not really guaranteed in any way and then apparently things were colliding [11:03]
diana_coman: the bot was basically too fast [11:03]
alikim: messages from the server are not guaranteed to come? [11:04]
diana_coman: well, they can have huge lag [11:04]
diana_coman: depending on your connection basically [11:04]
alikim: what happens if I try to mine too fast, server crashes? [11:05]
diana_coman: no, you probably don't get anything done basically [11:05]
diana_coman: ftr crashing the server is not a problem - do crash it if you can [11:05]
diana_coman: that'll expose problems so I'll know about them and fix them [11:06]
alikim: so now you don't wait for those messages? [11:06]
danielpbarron: preferably not at 1 am [11:06]
diana_coman: heh danielpbarron agree on that [11:06]
alikim: what's 1am? for me it's 1am now ;) [11:07]
diana_coman: alikim, bot basically checks for those messages: if they are there it goes ahead and does what it wanted to do, otherwise waits another round [11:07]
danielpbarron: in that case, yes do it at 1 am [11:07]
diana_coman: it made it waaaay more stable and robust to network lag and the like [11:07]
diana_coman: wanted to say that 1am is ill-defined [11:07]
alikim: I tried your bot I think it breaks if it happens to mine at the same location twice [11:08]
diana_coman: yeah, 4pm here, quite a good time [11:08]
diana_coman: neah, that's not the bot [11:08]
diana_coman: it doesn't break, no [11:08]
alikim: I mean it stops working [11:08]
diana_coman: how do you tell ? [11:08]
diana_coman: because no, it doesn't [11:08]
alikim: mine was waiting there forever [11:08]
diana_coman: neah, it has a timeout [11:08]
diana_coman: just that the default value is long [11:09]
alikim: how big is it? [11:09]
alikim: it's been over 30 sec I think [11:09]
diana_coman: oh, it's 5 min [11:09]
diana_coman: or 6 [11:09]
diana_coman: but you can set it through command line when you start the bot [11:09]
diana_coman: as in: /bot explore 1000 line 5 1 7 7500 8500 [11:09]
diana_coman: the last thing there, that 8500 is the timeout is ms [11:09]
diana_coman: so 8.5seconds [11:10]
diana_coman: default value is 5-6 minutes for a good reason, namely that some tools really take that long [11:10]
diana_coman: and it's exactly those tools one doesn't want to waste [11:10]
alikim: I see [11:11]
alikim: ok cool thanks I'll have a look after I'm done with the rest of the windows [11:11]
diana_coman: np [11:11]
mircea_popescu: alikim> new storage window is out! http://i.imgur.com/QIaJcOM.jpg << here's an idea, can you color code the items by quality ? in the following sense : take the lowest (L) and the highest (H) quality of any type of item in storage, color all items of that type in RXB so that X = floor(q-L)/(H-L) * 256 [12:43]
mircea_popescu: alternatively i suppose you could have double-criteria sort. or maybe just make the list group-by-name automatically. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: alikim> I just need an example of movement code, I looked around but it seemed messy at low level << it's quite messy. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman got 47 sb by any chance ? [12:46]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> preferably not at 1 am << he has a point. if you're going to do stuff you suspect may crash the server, very good, we wanna see it, but ideally a) announce you're going to try and b) don't do it during gmt early morning as people have bots unattended and not really anyeffort put into autorestarters yet. [12:47]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, solid branch? I have 47 yes; mainly low q though, some 45-ish [13:21]
diana_coman: did another atc, still got only slag, cc, craft-table and bct [13:21]
diana_coman: bundle q 246, atc q 130, output 191q [13:21]
diana_coman: 54 maculature [13:24]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'd take then if you don't mind. short some sb for this run [14:44]
diana_coman: sure, 1 min [14:45]
mircea_popescu: kk [14:45]
mircea_popescu: oh today's auction day huh! eeexciting [14:45]
diana_coman: ready [14:46]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, [14:46]
mircea_popescu: 1500 ? [14:47]
diana_coman: yeah, but no change [14:47]
mircea_popescu: lol. \ [14:47]
diana_coman: this is all I have, lol [14:47]
diana_coman: loool [14:48]
mircea_popescu: how about that. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: i give you my best feelings. [14:48]
diana_coman: neah, give me whatever change you have [14:48]
mircea_popescu: but this is like 1700bv! [14:48]
diana_coman: only sentiments [14:48]
mircea_popescu: and i have almost no change [14:48]
diana_coman: yeah, but I have LOADS and higher [14:48]
diana_coman: then just take the branches, lol [14:48]
mircea_popescu: not even 404 [14:48]
mircea_popescu: kk ty! [14:48]
diana_coman: yw [14:48]
mircea_popescu: i have some sentiments too, but i expect you don't want q172 [14:49]
diana_coman: I would actually [14:49]
mircea_popescu: o ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: lemme look then [14:49]
diana_coman: I basically used up all my sentiments, lol [14:49]
diana_coman: what do you want for them anyway? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: about 800 q 172 they are. [14:50]
mircea_popescu: uh i dunno, 150 ? [14:50]
diana_coman: hm [14:50]
diana_coman: I suppose I'll bid at the auction on the package of toils [14:51]
mircea_popescu: well what do you want to pay for 'em ? [14:51]
diana_coman: 130 sounds reasonable [14:52]
mircea_popescu: aite, 130 [14:52]
diana_coman: kk, let me unload again [14:52]
mircea_popescu: ill trade ya [14:52]
diana_coman: great [14:52]
mircea_popescu: 727 * 1.72 * 1.3 = 1625.572k [14:52]
mircea_popescu: you want q 152 also ? [14:53]
diana_coman: no, these are fine [14:53]
diana_coman: 152 is getting low [14:53]
diana_coman: that's all my change still, lol [14:53]
mircea_popescu: it's good lol [14:54]
diana_coman: thanks [14:54]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [14:54]
mircea_popescu: do we even have that many ? [14:55]
danielpb1rron: yes [14:55]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:55]
diana_coman: Birdman2, I have some doubtful tomes: 177q, 195q, 234q [14:55]
diana_coman: absolutely yes, lol [14:55]
mircea_popescu: ye buncha kulaks [14:56]
mircea_popescu: i have like a dozen. [14:56]
diana_coman: do you want any? lol [14:56]
mircea_popescu: lol! [14:56]
mircea_popescu: i finally managed to fill up my numina storage just now. [14:56]
diana_coman: happy you [14:57]
mircea_popescu: i suppose electron's sooner or later getting some huh. [14:58]
Birdman2: well, toils are comin soon in the auction right? [15:07]
Birdman2: and yes diana_coman [15:07]
Birdman2: ill buy all of em i guess [15:07]
mircea_popescu: Birdman bout an hour, little less. [15:09]
diana_coman: Birdman, just to confirm: 177q goes for 200\%, 195q and 234q go for 240\%; there are 2 at 234q [15:09]
Birdman: oh do either of you have some clogs? [15:10]
diana_coman: hm, might have, will check [15:10]
Birdman: and yeah 240\% is fine, cheaper than whatever you charged me before iirc [15:10]
diana_coman: mp charge 250\% in his shop [15:10]
diana_coman: but since I found the canines I can chop down some of that - not easy to GET the canines, but at least they are not irreplaceable anymore for me at any rate [15:11]
diana_coman: though bps ARE still irreplaceable hence can't chop more [15:11]
Birdman: yeah, you've found all the resources now right? [15:11]
diana_coman: well, I have bundles from spirover for weird stuff that I haven't found yet [15:12]
diana_coman: so...no [15:12]
diana_coman: you in town Birdman ? [15:12]
Birdman: can be in seconds [15:12]
mircea_popescu: (and spirover didn't have ALL the bundles. and this is just old stuff from 2015 - will be adding more this year. etc) [15:12]
diana_coman: or trade at the auction? [15:12]
diana_coman: so there, never say "all" in eulora [15:12]
Birdman: yeah we can meet at the auction [15:12]
diana_coman: kk [15:13]
mircea_popescu: in other news : we'll be adding trade logging, and will publish a consolidated report of trade volumes starting with the s.mg may reports (ie, not this coming one). [15:17]
mircea_popescu: players who specifically want to maintain trade privacy will have to drop-trade i guess. [15:17]
mircea_popescu: (claim trade, where you lock things up and trade the key, is prolly safer but less convenient) [15:17]
diana_coman: ahahah, on-your-head-trade [15:18]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:18]
diana_coman: probably craft-table trade [15:18]
diana_coman: safe AND convenient [15:18]
mircea_popescu: while that lasts yeh. [15:18]
diana_coman: this craft-table is one of the most useful items in game really [15:18]
mircea_popescu: :) [15:18]
diana_coman: well what, you can always put one down, no? [15:18]
diana_coman: and pickup stuff from it [15:18]
diana_coman: or not? [15:18]
mircea_popescu: yeah, maybe players discover how to steal. [15:18]
jurov: (i mean dropped crafttable) [15:26]
diana_coman: he means private trade as in not-logged by s.mg jurov [15:28]
diana_coman: + you can go in the bushes/under water for added privacy I suppose [15:28]
jurov: to the moon :D [15:28]
diana_coman: or that :) [15:28]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman are you making fun and pickpoking at the eulora descriptions ? [15:33]
mircea_popescu: aaand 20 minutes to auction! [15:39]
diana_coman: oh, would never do that , not to such...descriptive descriptions : [15:39]
mircea_popescu: good! [15:41]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, why is that package 11 so special to start at 1mn although bv is 250k? [15:42]
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest million eh! [15:43]
diana_coman: ugh [15:43]
mircea_popescu: s.mg is too high and mighty and therefore haughty to even entertain an auction if it starts below numerous zeroes! [15:44]
diana_coman: well, apparently not too high and mighty to offer packages worth less than aforementioned zeroes :p [15:44]
mircea_popescu: how dare you impugn the very valuable vapors! first the describtions, now the substances ? all these virtual items are virtually priceless i'll have you know! [15:45]
diana_coman: I...virtually know! [15:45]
mircea_popescu: supstances* i mean. [15:47]
diana_coman: I'm considering those tw bps and essentially I'm happy they are there: either I get them, make wheels and sell them and all is good or otherwise someone else gets them, I sell them pbs at hefty markup and ...all is good [15:47]
diana_coman: might be I drank some optimism potion today [15:48]
Birdman: seems even without bits my bot can only gather ~1500 times [15:48]
mircea_popescu: what did the description say ? [15:48]
diana_coman: Birdman, how is that? [15:48]
Birdman: i fill up too damn quick [15:49]
diana_coman: lol! [15:49]
diana_coman: keep only remarks! amples even! [15:49]
Birdman: so im thinking ill just leave like 200 threads in my inventory overnight so i dont waste all the time, but it wont fill up [15:49]
Birdman: well the thing is im so good at gathering its probably -ev to fill up overnight considering the chance to find ords [15:50]
mircea_popescu: say wut ? [15:50]
Birdman: i'd get more value out of barehanding and only keeping ords and enumerations than to fill up on resources in a half hour [15:50]
mircea_popescu: ah. possibru. [15:51]
Birdman: while im sleeping i mean [15:51]
mircea_popescu: yeh [15:51]
diana_coman: hm, auction is on [16:01]
hanbot: hey my game crashed [16:04]
Birdman: diana_coman got those tomes? [16:04]
Birdman: and clogs [16:05]
diana_coman: got tomes, let me check for clogs [16:05]
diana_coman: got 2 pc I can sell Birdman , they are 40590q [16:06]
Birdman: sweet [16:06]
Birdman: trade now? [16:09]
diana_coman: let me figure out what those pc were worth , lol [16:09]
Birdman: do screens degrade on use or completion? [16:16]
diana_coman: like all tools, on use Birdman [16:18]
diana_coman: 71k per clogs [16:19]
Birdman: then the bot is eating up uses every time it interupts? [16:19]
Birdman: ill take both [16:19]
diana_coman: yep, don't set it to interrupt [16:19]
Birdman: any insight on how to work the thing ? i've only ever used to to gather [16:20]
diana_coman: it's written on its page really, but in any case an ex after the auction [16:21]
Birdman: thanks [16:21]
Birdman: trade now? [16:21]
diana_coman: now [16:23]
Birdman: whadda i owe ya [16:23]
diana_coman: 2Ã\u009771000+88462Ã\u0097(1.77Ã\u00972+1.95Ã\u00972.4+2.34Ã\u00972.4Ã\u00972) [16:25]
diana_coman: 1.86mn [16:26]
Birdman: have change for 2 or should i? [16:26]
diana_coman: hm, I have 13 coins so only just about if that's fine [16:26]
Birdman: thanks [16:27]
diana_coman: enjoy! [16:27]
Birdman: also i think they degrade on completion [16:28]
Birdman: just tested [16:28]
Birdman: but the clogs, on use [16:28]
Birdman: so thats why i ran outta all my clogs! [16:28]
diana_coman: Birdman, /bot craft 10 7500 M 8500 means: craft me 10 items, waiting 7.5 seconds for each, using maximum ingredients and having a timeout of 8.5seconds (meaning after 8.5 secs it WILL take everything out of the table/container and try to craft again [16:42]
mircea_popescu: sooo... total auction sale value, 82mn [16:42]
mircea_popescu: including a single item going for 4mn! [16:42]
Birdman: ok ok i thought the 7500 was how often it checked server for a message to see if the craft is done, and the 8500 the time out [16:43]
Birdman: but thanks [16:43]
danielpbarron: i never set options on the /bot craft past the first 2 [16:43]
mircea_popescu: me either. [16:43]
diana_coman: essentially yes Birdman [16:43]
danielpbarron: so like /bot craft 100 121000 [16:43]
diana_coman: default is maximum so if you never undercraft, yes [16:43]
danielpbarron: the bot doesn't replace armor when it runs out? i thought that was a thing [16:58]
Birdman: nah [16:59]
diana_coman: no, it just stops; though it should be easy to change it for that, since it's nothing different from what it does with tools [17:02]
diana_coman: I think I usually wear down the container before the armor or at least used to back when I made the bot [17:02]
danielpbarron: well i got lots of low quality chairs for head [17:04]
danielpbarron: 4 uses each [17:04]
diana_coman: so just change the bot [17:05]
diana_coman: as a data point: making 97q cc out of bct q97 [17:31]
diana_coman: as a data point: making 97q cc out of bct q36! [17:32]
diana_coman: the bp is from last atc click so 191q [17:40]
mircea_popescu: wait so same q cc out of 36 and 97 ? [18:00]
mircea_popescu: oh, just typo huh [18:00]
diana_coman: yes, typo [18:00]
mircea_popescu: in other news, im 20 clicks away from finishing the mega-monster adze craft run [18:00]
diana_coman: ooo [18:00]
mircea_popescu: hopefully someone got some copper left after auction lol [18:01]
diana_coman: but now barehanded is supposedly even better or so I heard a bit earlier around here! [18:01]
mircea_popescu: o ? [18:01]
diana_coman: Birdman was saying he was so good that it's better to run the bot barehanded during the night [18:02]
mircea_popescu: a wlel for that. [18:02]
Birdman: who looted 6 ngc 6 supplications from that nbc? [18:10]
Birdman: oh, it was me! [18:10]
Birdman: anyone have high q apron lints for sale? [18:13]
mircea_popescu: haha wd. [18:14]
diana_coman: hm, might have, lemme check [18:14]
diana_coman: btw, what q are those ngc cons and what do you want for one of them Birdman ? [18:15]
Birdman: not for sale [18:15]
mircea_popescu: gumbo i imagine ? [18:15]
Birdman: but q166 [18:15]
Birdman: yes [18:15]
diana_coman: mk [18:15]
mircea_popescu: Birdman i got some q 172 [18:16]
mircea_popescu: which apprently is very frequently my output q huh [18:16]
Birdman: that'll do [18:16]
mircea_popescu: how many ? [18:16]
diana_coman: yeah, my max are 162 it seems [18:16]
Birdman: 6k [18:17]
mircea_popescu: 130 suit you ? [18:17]
Birdman: what q130? [18:18]
mircea_popescu: no, 130\% [18:18]
Birdman: ah, yeah [18:19]
mircea_popescu: aite, im in town [18:19]
mircea_popescu: 60 * 1.3 * 1.72 = 134.16k [18:20]
mircea_popescu: eeenjoy. [18:20]
Birdman: thanks! [18:20]
Birdman: never clicked a gumbo before [18:21]
mircea_popescu: curious what you get [18:21]
mircea_popescu: maybe some double distillates lol. that'd fetch a pretty penny [18:21]
mircea_popescu: or mebbe some gin or wine or such. also can't hurt. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: or oyu know what ? tuber milk! [18:22]
Birdman: no doubt, plus i have 6 tries [18:22]
mircea_popescu: actually there's a whole lot of gumbo bps [18:22]
mircea_popescu: thart are needed [18:22]
mircea_popescu: ahh this is pretty nice. so ! [19:06]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, q 15048 ea. comes to 10 mn almost (within three nines!). opening bid... i dunno, 13mn say. eta 17:00 ART april 19th [19:18]
hanbot: 13 million here [19:23]
mircea_popescu: and in other news, q73 ibs bundle q 135 ibs. go me. [19:29]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 13.65 on adzes [19:56]
Birdman: 14mn [20:08]
Birdman: hanbot if you have more tokens im buying [20:08]
Birdman: mircea_popescu did you say before you have tomes? [20:22]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, q 15048 ea. comes to 10 mn almost (within three nines!). heard 14mn from Birdman . eta 17:00 ART april 19th [20:52]
mircea_popescu: Birdman yeh but ima use the lot, click a bunch more consen. [20:54]
Birdman: FEELS [20:54]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [20:55]
Birdman: i feel ya, caps my bad [20:55]
mircea_popescu: a a [20:55]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 14.5 the adzes [20:56]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : selling 664 stone adzes, q 15048 ea. comes to 10 mn almost (within three nines!). heard 14.5mn danielpbarron . eta 17:00 ART april 19th [21:06]
Birdman: mostly pigment blueprints is what i got [21:26]
Birdman: nothing of note anyways [21:26]
mircea_popescu: pigment ?! [21:46]
mircea_popescu: wtf do you mean pigment [21:46]
danielpbarron: isn't that the stuff needed to make tier 2 skillbooks? [21:58]
mircea_popescu: oh noxious pigment ok [21:59]
Birdman: ya [22:13]
Birdman: though they're well over 1k bv so meh, could be worse [22:13]
danielpbarron: Birdman, can i get a sample high q bit? [22:20]
Birdman: ya, q331work? [22:20]
Birdman: oop, forgot i dont have em on me [22:20]
Birdman: ill give you q450 [22:20]
danielpbarron: i may want to buy them if the result of this is any good [22:20]
Birdman: on your head [22:22]
danielpbarron: got it [22:22]
Birdman: i've all sorts of qualities even, some under 100, some 300, some 450 [22:23]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: Euloran Biology <http://trilema.com/2016/euloran-biology/> [22:23]
Birdman: keep me posted [22:23]
danielpbarron: ok so that make a q260 snakeskin [22:25]
danielpbarron: i guess i do want to buy some of those [22:26]
danielpbarron: i got 3 ss tinies today [22:26]
danielpbarron: i'd buy 100k worth if you have them [22:27]
alikim: mircea: every column in the storage item list has asc/desc sorting if you click on it (not visible on screenshots because I didn't click on any column). this sorting is implemented by doesn't work except names (why am I not surprised) so I'll have to look into it when I have time [22:33]
alikim: sorting by quality should cover all your needs, I don't think color coding will do much for you, especially in the case when you have q12, q96, q5460 together you won't probably tell between q12 and q96 judging by color [22:35]
danielpbarron: can it sort quality within a name sort? [22:35]
alikim: no I think it's one column sort [22:36]
danielpbarron: so change it [22:36]
alikim: although I can't check right now [22:36]
alikim: maybe some time later, it's not important to me, I just need to see qualities and implement q mix warnings [22:37]
danielpbarron: default should be a name sort, and within each group of same-named items : a quality sort [22:37]
danielpbarron: i have many different qualities of many different things [22:38]
mircea_popescu: alikim aite. [22:41]
danielpbarron: ooo, gonna make myself a water of anamesia out of only ~finest~ ingredients [22:48]
danielpbarron: gonna be a very fancy water [22:48]
mircea_popescu: o.O [22:49]
mircea_popescu: careful what you remember with it. [22:49]
danielpbarron: blueprint is 200 quality, my bundle should be more than that, so it'll even be an overcraft! [22:49]
danielpbarron: yeah, quality 304 bundle [22:51]
danielpbarron: quality 243 water! [22:55]
mircea_popescu: nicely done [22:55]
danielpbarron: "extraordinary" [22:55]
Birdman: <danielpbarron>i'd buy 100k worth if you have them << the price on q400+ bits is 1.2:1 ecu:quality point [23:54]
Birdman: also i ran out of space in storage for basic harvests. i have decent stocks of all of them probably in the q200 range if anyone wants to buy me out, 40\% above q adj bv [23:56]

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