| Birdman: | q went down on my beans since my last building rank, though i suspect that has nothing to do with it | [00:52] |
| Birdman: | swear i saw it even increase a quality point after i trained | [00:53] |
| Birdman: | and now they're superior | [00:53] |
| Birdman: | maybe someone mined a remarkable and the loot pool is lessened? | [00:53] |
| alikim: | hello | [07:44] |
| danielpbarron: | hello | [07:53] |
| alikim: | how many liitle bit o nothing is required to combine solid branch? | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | 1 | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | except you don't wanna combine it | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | just 'use' | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | you found a tiny claim? | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | oh you probably had some keys turn into bits huh | [07:56] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll buy those from ya | [07:56] |
| danielpbarron: | also, want a loan? | [07:57] |
| alikim: | I found a claim but I can't extract anything from it | [07:57] |
| alikim: | so I put one in and then how do I use it? | [07:57] |
| danielpbarron: | click the button above combine | [07:58] |
| danielpbarron: | that's strange that you found a tiny | [07:58] |
| danielpbarron: | or maybe it isn't, i guess we haven't had any noobs try gathering since the lastest major change | [07:58] |
| alikim: | maybe not I don't remember the name | [07:59] |
| danielpbarron: | must have been if it needed a bit o nothing | [07:59] |
| alikim: | why is it strange that I found it? | [08:01] |
| danielpbarron: | noobs usually only find smalls | [08:02] |
| alikim: | small are better? | [08:04] |
| danielpbarron: | not necessarily | [08:07] |
| danielpbarron: | just different | [08:07] |
| danielpbarron: | tiny takes 1 bit, small takes 1 to 7 threads | [08:08] |
| danielpbarron: | more room for "overcraft" in the small | [08:08] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the highest quality bits are 400 or so | [08:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i think there are also threads that quality, so times 7 is a lot more value going into a small than into a tiny | [08:09] |
| danielpbarron: | more value apparently means higher output quality | [08:09] |
| danielpbarron: | so then you can extract much higher quality stuff from a small | [08:09] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i should say that quality 100 thread is 180 copper and quality 100 bit is 11 copper | [08:11] |
| danielpbarron: | so like a 5k copper difference potentially | [08:11] |
| Birdman: | tinies are printing money for me | [08:12] |
| Birdman: | q 450ish bits worth ~ 50 copper making beans worth ~ 350 or somethign | [08:13] |
| alikim: | ok I got 48 branches, can anyone buy this from me? | [08:21] |
| alikim: | quality 4 | [08:22] |
| danielpbarron: | want a loan? | [08:31] |
| danielpbarron: | not really worth stopping what i'm doing to go buy so little | [08:31] |
| alikim: | how much would it be for these branches? | [08:35] |
| danielpbarron: | rounding error | [08:36] |
| danielpbarron: | idk, 140 | [08:36] |
| alikim: | where do my gathering points go? My gathering only increases when I pay money to train it | [08:38] |
| danielpbarron: | well you pay for training and then you go and practice | [08:39] |
| alikim: | yeah but when I receive those points nothing changes | [08:39] |
| danielpbarron: | your rank goes up doesn't it? | [08:40] |
| alikim: | I have some green yellow and red bars but they don't change when I get points | [08:40] |
| danielpbarron: | if it's yellow/red you need to train it more | [08:40] |
| alikim: | I have some green on it | [08:40] |
| danielpbarron: | oh, i always train 100\% | [08:41] |
| danielpbarron: | did you get the building skill? | [08:41] |
| alikim: | I don't have any skills except gathering | [08:42] |
| danielpbarron: | if you're gonna buy tools and threads you should probably have building | [08:43] |
| danielpbarron: | it used to be noobs didn't want building because high rank tinkerers could turn the low quality stuff into high quality stuff | [08:43] |
| alikim: | where do you get those little nothing things? | [08:44] |
| danielpbarron: | but now that low quality in means low quality out, it's probably better for you to rank up building | [08:44] |
| danielpbarron: | easiest way for you to get them is save up your keys and let them turn into bits | [08:44] |
| danielpbarron: | otherwise, buy them | [08:44] |
| danielpbarron: | and other otherwise, make them. But that part is quite involved | [08:44] |
| diana_coman: | alikim, you can also walk around and check the claims that are standing | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | some of them have keys in them | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | collect those and keep them until they turn into bits of nothing | [08:46] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah like where i'm gathering grass | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | that's free bits of nothing for you | [08:46] |
| alikim: | where do you get those little bit o nothing things? | [08:46] |
| danielpbarron: | the high quality ones are made from shredding | [08:46] |
| danielpbarron: | we shred blueprints into bits | [08:47] |
| diana_coman: | alikim, basically you can buy them or get them as danielpbarron and I said above | [08:47] |
| danielpbarron: | or i guess we shred maculature into bits, and sometimes maculature is made out of blueprints | [08:47] |
| alikim: | what do I do with bits of nothing? | [08:47] |
| danielpbarron: | they are used in tiny exploration markers to extract resources | [08:48] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm surprised you found such a marker though; don't you find mostly smalls? | [08:48] |
| alikim: | how long does it take for keys to turn into bits? | [08:48] |
| danielpbarron: | couple hours, but you have to log out and back in for them to change | [08:49] |
| alikim: | I found one claim yesterday and one today | [08:49] |
| diana_coman: | when the claim vanishes, they turn into bits, but the interval is not really fixed: pretty much anything between half hour and a few hours I guess | [08:49] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, what danielpbarron says: you have to log off and on again forthem to become bits in your inv | [08:49] |
| danielpbarron: | two claims total? or two tiny claims? | [08:49] |
| diana_coman: | I think he had a small yest from what I saw | [08:50] |
| diana_coman: | in logs | [08:50] |
| danielpbarron: | /pilot -243 0 -151 | [08:51] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, type that and run till you see me | [08:51] |
| alikim: | this all sucks | [08:51] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [08:51] |
| alikim: | I found two claims total in two days | [08:51] |
| danielpbarron: | well your rank is low and you aren't using tools | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | lol alikim do you have any idea what you are doing? | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | where are you searching for those claims anyway? | [08:52] |
| danielpbarron: | anyway i'm offering you a loan, take it and buy something better | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | the less you know about the things you do, the more it will suck, sure, so better read the wiki, ask, get to know stuff | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaand disconnected | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course. | [08:53] |
| alikim: | I dont like loans | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose he should buy himself a building book | [08:53] |
| danielpbarron: | we all disconnected | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ? | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it was a weird thing, from here I could not even ping the server at all | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know what happened really | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it's down ? | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [08:53] |
| danielpbarron: | although in my case it might have been because my explore log got to big, or at least that's why i couldn't log back in right away | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3am, ie 6 hours ago. | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | fuck this fucking shit. | [08:54] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah it's weird, always at night | [08:54] |
| danielpbarron: | mine runs all day with no disconnect usually | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | EVERY NIGHT WTF | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | exactly, same here. | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | aha, this sounds EXACTLY like the shit I went through some months ago | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | then it suddenly behaved ok and now this, don't know | [08:55] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, got any bitcoin? | [08:55] |
| alikim: | no | [08:55] |
| danielpbarron: | got any other game money? like idk .. kol meat? | [08:56] |
| danielpbarron: | if you won't take a loan, and you won't put in any money, then your only option is to work for other players, or collect keys from claims | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah that may work, go behind a player running the mining bot, they often leave keys in claim | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | key turns into a lbn after an hour or so, prolly worth a few coppers each. | [08:57] |
| danielpbarron: | or i guess, you don't need the bits/threads. you could gather claims, lock them. and sell them | [08:57] |
| danielpbarron: | but idk who would even want to buy such claims | [08:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy your smalls i guess | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | he can prolly lock smalls dig up tinies. | [08:58] |
| alikim: | I see | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've been working on this pile of shaped slag for 3 days now | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | should have been done two days ago. fuck this stupid shit. | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | you still playing kol danielpbarron ? | [09:01] |
| danielpbarron: | no, but i have accounts | [09:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. i tried it out, but a whole ago, sorry i didn't give you the acct. | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho prolly didn't have that much on it | [09:02] |
| danielpbarron: | i log in every couple months to buy up all the cheap rat appendices | [09:02] |
| danielpbarron: | has #1 collection | [09:02] |
| danielpbarron: | i have #1 collection of a bunch of things actually, but that's my favorite | [09:02] |
| danielpbarron: | and yeah your account probably had nothing valueable if you didn't play long | [09:03] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, i think maybe i'd like to set you up with some of my threads, and have you barehanded gather at the flotsam and shiny rock for a while | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | a few days. | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | had one of those maids | [09:04] |
| danielpbarron: | and i think your training costs little enough to where i'd just pay that for you | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | this game makes me realise just how rich bitcoin people are. | [09:06] |
| danielpbarron: | for people my age i'm quite well off. I have not only no debt, but a savings even | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | in gaming terms tho. for most people, 0 for wow or w/e is a big deal. | [09:07] |
| alikim: | I'm fine, thanks. Maybe I'llfind more claims today. | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim actually the rate at which you find claims bh'd be interesting, people'd been debating. | [09:08] |
| alikim: | about how deeply I suck? | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, trying to figure out the game. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | very little of how it works is actually understood. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally danielpbarron lemme ask you : is it better quality wise to use bp q 100 bundle q 300 or bp q 200 bundle q 200 ? | [09:09] |
| danielpbarron: | depends what you want, but i'd say 200 200 | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | for max output q i mean | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima have to try this see | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | the trial with foxy is ambiguous on this point i think. | [09:10] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd put my money on 200 200 even | [09:10] |
| alikim: | how come you are creating accounts for this game and you don't understand how it works? | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim well, i designed it, but that's in a different life. | [09:10] |
| danielpbarron: | most people go and create whole people without understanding how life works | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | tpt ordinary, 88 q 174 | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | kik that's a point! | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 88 * 159 * 1.74 = 25k or so. the bundle was 48569, i don't remember whatever i paid birdman for the claim, prolly 20k | [09:14] |
| alikim: | this game shouldn't say that I got some points in gathering if my skill is yellow and I'm actually not progressing | [09:18] |
| danielpbarron: | well you get the points whether you waste them or not | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | notes that "the game" is an environment so you know, bitching about "the rain shouldn't start when I don't have an umbrella!" is unlikely to keep you dry | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'm getting 3-4 eps q 443 per stick. | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | say 4 * 399 * 4.43 = 7k | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | horror of horrors. | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | welcome to a gatherer's world, lol | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | 11 sticks to the bottle of ink ? | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I don't use only sticks really | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i want high q~ | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | does wanting do anything nao? | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: use normal skills, lock the smalls, build them later | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | normal tools, sheesh | [09:37] |
| danielpbarron: | oh you're locking smalls now? | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | only sometimes | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | not always, not on everything etc | [09:37] |
| danielpbarron: | i spent much of yesterday building all my saved smalls | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | as I said from the start: it is an option, it has its uses, not universal solution, not only one | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that's the shit part of it and the reason why I don't think it's great | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | one fucking day lost building smalls is horrible | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i get grass quality 730, barehanded! | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | well done | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman normal tools miss a lot on eps | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think my peak was 1030 or so danielpbarron | [09:41] |
| danielpbarron: | also i can make quality 700+ leather and the like | [09:42] |
| danielpbarron: | also barehanded | [09:42] |
| alikim: | "the game" is not environment, it's programmed in a certain way. It will confuse most of the people if the game says you get points while you don't get them. So it should say something else like "you need to trin your skill to get more points" instead | [09:44] |
| danielpbarron: | well somehow you figured it out, didn't you? | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I had ok rates on eps really, maybe it's my higher rank I suppose | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey an ord! | [09:47] |
| alikim: | yeah, if the game says "you get point in gathering" and you get points in something else or you don't get them eventually you figure out that this message is wrong. What you need to do is to print the correct message | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim possibly, yeah. | [09:47] |
| alikim: | these message are not supposed to be puzzles to solve | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | well now how do you know this ? | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the deeper problem is this : the game sees something ; says something. the demand that what it says be made adequate to your personal context is not necessarily spurious, but it DOES mean more work on the part of the game. now it has to also check your context. whether this is feasible or not is an open question. | [09:50] |
| alikim: | common sense? if the game says "you start to explore" and you don't because it's a puzzle playing will not make sense. certain messages coming from the game engine must be adequiate | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | whatever the hell happens, some interpretation on your part will have to take place, because the game's capacity to communicate is necessarily limited. | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so, by and large and to degrees, the world's a puzzle. | [09:51] |
| alikim: | there is a limit to this | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | no argument. | [09:52] |
| alikim: | if a button says buy on it and you press and it destroys all your items then what? | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [09:52] |
| alikim: | or a button says inventory and it quits the game | [09:52] |
| alikim: | what kind of fucked up shit is that? | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | yet you know, the same button says attack whether it is on a rat or an ogre. | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe you're level 1 and on the ogre it should say "suicide" ? | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | alikim, the message says you got points and the game gave you points, so what is wrong exactly? | [09:53] |
| alikim: | the game doesn't give me points that's what's wrong | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you did not have space for those points so the game "should have" told you yo man, gotta make space too! | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | the points fell on teh floor. | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | ^^^ | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | bwahaha | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman actually this is altogether not a bad idea lol, add a "but they fell on the floor" if you're yellow. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | "You gained some practice points in Gathering, but they fell on the floor." | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | can be added in the interest of patting people a bit more on the head, sure | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | not as if the noob guide is detailed enough to even tell people who actually read it how it goes with skills | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly cuz funny. | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, it actuallyt adds something to the game. | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i offered to pay for his training; he's just too grumpy | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, guy wants to make it on his own, nothing wrong with that. | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | the wrong starts when he wants the game to make it for him rather | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | guess an animation would be nice there too: practice points poured through a funnel into one's head and...overflowing! :))) | [10:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [10:09] |
| jurov: | well, i was pretty furious too when realized this | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo... scs bundle went from 136 to 137, the scs produced went from 208 to 209 | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | curious, my q on bb also went up by 1 | [12:47] |
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