| Gaxaro: | Well then tough shit for me forgetting my blockchain password lol | [00:01] |
| Birdman: | you lost your 500k huh | [00:01] |
| Gaxaro: | Yup | [00:01] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu you want a ton of tlc for 1800 a piece probably q6 | [00:02] |
| Gaxaro: | I should have written up the password. | [00:02] |
| Birdman: | and by ton i estimate something like.. 6k | [00:02] |
| Birdman: | if he does then i can offer you some well paying work to get a bank roll going gaxaro | [00:04] |
| Birdman: | i think there's a pretty high demand for noob building right now too | [00:05] |
| Gaxaro: | Just need to wait for that patch to be done that's all lol | [00:09] |
| Gaxaro: | Once that is done my account should be actived again | [00:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman alright. | [02:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | Gaxaro> Well then tough shit for me forgetting my blockchain password lol <<< man.... i can't even. | [02:09] |
| Birdman: | so what do i have to do to get more cs now?probably finishing up the last of them tonight | [02:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno man... | [02:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | talk to diana_coman you know ? why am i the emperor of cs. | [02:11] |
| Birdman: | comes with being the emperor of those skill lines i guess | [02:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but i dun have that many bps left. | [02:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw danielpbarron you ever did that apprentice click ? | [02:14] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> well i'm sure diana will be thrilled to hear <- LOL; somehow each time I take the numbers you give without checking them, they turn out to be wrong; I must have a knack at it too; guess will add that as 10\% on future stuff :D | [02:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [02:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll let you walk out of it, this is pretty egregious. | [02:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman here's an idea... go find ordinaries for diana_coman | [02:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | she was looking for someone that finds ords reliably. | [02:22] |
| Birdman: | im too good at it now | [02:22] |
| Birdman: | i get smalls | [02:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [02:22] |
| diana_coman: | aha, thanks | [02:22] |
| Birdman: | exactly when i hit lvl 200 too | [02:22] |
| Birdman: | so what would you wanna sell me some cs for diana_coman | [02:23] |
| diana_coman: | quite tough then Birdman ; btw, got to that 100 in grocery yet? I think it's been already more than the 2 days you claimed were more than enough | [02:23] |
| Birdman: | nooope | [02:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman ok, how about getting me some nt ? | [02:24] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, you know those cs bps are basically irreplaceable at the moment, right? | [02:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 stacks or so should do nicely. | [02:24] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman yeah im aware | [02:24] |
| diana_coman: | not so sure I can sell cs or in any case, not any significant quantities | [02:24] |
| Birdman: | and ill build some of my nt ords but i gotta focus on farming with the cs | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you know, practically speaking - irreplaceable or not, we can't simply not sell them. | [02:25] |
| diana_coman: | well you know Birdman that you are basically competing with me on farming | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean, if we don't sell them it's basically like they never existed, just makes the problem worse. | [02:25] |
| Birdman: | well a few others have farming but whats your point | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought you hated farming. | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, well, I need them and use them, not as if I just keep them there, so not sure of your point | [02:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, if you use them different story. | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | I do, but now what, I throw away what I did? | [02:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol, foxy's unhappy marriage to farming. | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, I hate it in the sense that it's the most difficult to level, but for all I know it's the same for everyone | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | so then...even more valuable, no? | [02:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | could be | [02:27] |
| Birdman: | its been pretty ridiculous | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | + I need to get it first to 200 and then I can say sod it, true | [02:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [02:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman doesn't look like you'll be doing any focusing on cs | [02:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | just not enough of the stuff. | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | seems that way | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | how can i help get the bps found? :D | [02:28] |
| diana_coman: | that is a way better question :D | [02:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, are you a noob bouq ? | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | i've a myriad of tools to dispose of in a meaningful way | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | yes | [02:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | then maybe you should do some considerations clicking | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | who has what i need to buy? | [02:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i did an auction, recently, and i'll do more once i get more clicks together. | [02:31] |
| Gaxaro: | Maan, i'm in a really bad mood. | [02:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | until then Birdman prolly try and get together some black of desspayr, doubtful tomes, sacrifice tokens etc | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman so you want ords then huh? what categories? | [02:34] |
| Birdman: | maybe we can work out a deal of sorts | [02:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | im off | [02:34] |
| Birdman: | if you want me to run out a list of what i have i can do that | [02:35] |
| Birdman: | g'night | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman> diana_coman so you want ords then huh? what categories? <- I thought you said you were getting smalls now? | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, deal is simple: I provide cs, you give me ords, 1:1 | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | so I'll give you 1 cs for each farming ord you give me | [02:45] |
| Birdman: | right.. so i have ords in storage | [02:45] |
| Birdman: | not of farming though | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | lol; make a list then and I'll have a look | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | clearly not basics | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | not interested in that | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | I might be fine to get some mining ords | [02:46] |
| Birdman: | swhatmsayin, get back to you after this cs run | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | oh and let me know if you want to sell the tlc remarkable | [02:46] |
| Birdman: | think my dude is definitely gearing up to find somethin crazy soon, going on 20 smalls or so in a row | [02:46] |
| Birdman: | lol uhm lets see ill sell it for 13mn | [02:47] |
| Birdman: | oh but then again maybe not | [02:47] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [02:47] |
| Birdman: | because i have a definite buyer if i noob mine it | [02:47] |
| Gaxaro: | You owe me getting me to wait this long Birdman lol.. | [02:47] |
| Gaxaro: | Joking of course. | [02:47] |
| Birdman: | ^ and a tinkering book ;) | [02:47] |
| diana_coman: | Gaxaro, you know, after getting in the game, better keep at doing jobs for people, but don't mess up your character again and basically if you don't want to actually keep track of things, then you know, stick to one person and do what they say and that is that | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | its my turn to get a noob so hands off guys | [02:52] |
| Birdman: | i will take you under my wing Gaxaro | [02:52] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [02:53] |
| Gaxaro: | Good to know lol | [02:57] |
| diana_coman: | Gaxaro, maybe look where Birdman's last idea of wiping your account actually got you | [03:03] |
| Birdman: | if it didnt break the game it would have been hugely profitable for him | [03:04] |
| Birdman: | aand it still will be | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | so far his profit is 1 week of game-time lost (which btw never ever comes back), skills lost (which again, NOT easy to get back really) and so on | [03:05] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention that at some point he will have to redo the ranking up anyway, while meanwhile there are other ways of earning money , but hey | [03:06] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, just laying it out as I see it and that's it | [03:07] |
| Birdman: | other, but not better, not for someone who has literally no bitcoin | [03:07] |
| Birdman: | ok so bear in mind some of these might have disappeared, im just going by enumerations: 1 AE, 5 DCS, 6 PSS, 3 SM, 3 SG, 1 TPT, and some basics | [03:10] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron diana_coman | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I'd take the ae, dcs, pss, sm, sg, but you know, go and check | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | will be back in ~1hr | [03:13] |
| Birdman: | im thinking 1:1 isnt a good deal for me there, but would be willing to let them go for 30 cs or bps | [03:40] |
| Birdman: | thats 1 2/3 a stick per ord | [03:40] |
| Birdman: | or bp | [03:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, my offer is 1 stick per ord and that is that | [04:02] |
| Gaxaro: | I actually bought far cry primal when it got released on steam yesterday. | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | what is that Gaxaro ? | [04:10] |
| Gaxaro: | Or well pre-order the same day it came out. | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | and btw, you really could make some btc in eulora, just you know, don't rush into first thing | [04:11] |
| Gaxaro: | It's a game which is based in the stone age and the story goes about your tribe being killed off by another tribe and your tribe is trying to survive by rebuilding and what not.. Not extacly sure about the story just yet. | [04:12] |
| Gaxaro: | Yeah i understand and i wont delete my char ever again this time. | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | heh, come here and BUILD your tribe, how about that | [04:13] |
| Gaxaro: | I'm just gonna listen on Birdman and see what he tells me about what i need to do for him. | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [04:13] |
| Gaxaro: | Here's the trailer for far cry primal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2iH57Fs3M | [04:16] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Far Cry Primal â\u0080\u0093 Official Reveal Trailer [EUROPE] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I'm willing to hand you a small key to the molluscs' tomb in exchange for that tlc remarkable, let me know if interested. It's a key to an empty chamber, but it still gets you to the right place. | [05:42] |
| Birdman: | no way | [05:50] |
| Birdman: | maybe that 5 mn and bunch of cs | [05:51] |
| Birdman: | maybe | [05:51] |
| diana_coman: | guess not then | [06:01] |
| Birdman: | nope | [06:08] |
| Birdman: | but maybe when i find my next one | [06:08] |
| Birdman: | secret spot isnt much help with no tools right? | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, there ARE tools; as far as I know I am still selling hoes for instance | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | which are actually best for farming, so spot on | [06:11] |
| fghj: | anyone would be interested in 5012q5 NT? | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | I think MP wanted those fghj | [07:30] |
| fghj: | that was yesterday, he might have gotten them elsewhere by now | [07:30] |
| diana_coman: | don't think so | [07:30] |
| diana_coman: | you in town? | [07:30] |
| fghj: | nope I'm draging tubers to town | [07:31] |
| diana_coman: | kk, will be back in half hour and we can settle and will give you some cs | [07:31] |
| Gaxaro: | I wonder when the patch will be today. | [07:35] |
| Gaxaro: | Also, i'm glad that i get to play today, hopefully. | [07:35] |
| Gaxaro: | That is if i get my account back today lol. | [07:35] |
| Gaxaro: | Along with the patch | [07:35] |
| fghj: | diana_coman flotsam is on table next to you, tell me when to step back | [07:52] |
| diana_coman: | fghj, ready | [07:57] |
| diana_coman: | got it | [07:58] |
| danielpbarron: | fghj, i have work for you | [07:59] |
| fghj: | ok, but first I'll play with cs probably | [08:00] |
| danielpbarron: | on a related note, mircea_popescu are you sure it's not a glitch that my neophyte mcguyver bundle came out to quality 120 when all the ingredients used were over 140 quality? | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | fghj, trade | [08:03] |
| danielpbarron: | this is me making an official stink of the matter ~before~ i go and click it | [08:03] |
| danielpbarron: | 29170+10+100+88462-153999 = -36257 | [08:25] |
| danielpbarron: | that's base values of ink + nosehair + token + tomb - bundle | [08:26] |
| danielpbarron: | eh i guess it's ok, when i factor in 999 nosehairs, and all the qualities i use, it comes out to the right value | [08:30] |
| danielpbarron: | but this means the minimum amount of a variable ingredient isn't always the base amount or whatever the correct lingo is | [08:31] |
| danielpbarron: | even the max nosehairs wouldn't be enough to make the bundle quality 100 if all the ingredients were quality 100 | [08:32] |
| fghj: | in shitgnomium news apparently someone thought that it would be cool if git used gnome-keyring that I purged in disgust some time ago (or so I thought) | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : WOS, d580k, 1,45mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj hey, you saw teh note re idling here ? | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman> i will take you under my wing Gaxaro << win. | [09:44] |
| fghj: | yes, maybe in some distant future I'll run bouncer or something | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. and meanwhile, you wanna do some work for me ? | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj ^ | [09:58] |
| Gaxaro: | Gonna go afk for awhile while i wait. | [09:58] |
| Gaxaro: | Brb later Mircea | [09:59] |
| fghj: | ok in a minute | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a pretty big job, i have a spot of grass that needs digging up | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | tis a remarkable. | [10:00] |
| fghj: | ouch, during last few weeks I had temporary connection problems around 22:00 and midnight so this might be hard | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | the last two i dug up took me 10 hours each, maybe it takes you less than 24 hours ? | [10:01] |
| fghj: | How much damage would happen if I get disconected? Only time or bundle would take damage too? | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | fghj, if you lock the claim immediately after starting the build, a disconnect would just mean you have to start over (nothing lost though) | [10:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj you carefullyt lock the claim right after starting on it | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so damage = just the time | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | Gaxaro> I actually bought far cry primal when it got released on steam yesterday. << so that\s a further 2mn ECu down the drain ? | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj> anyone would be interested in 5012q5 NT? << quite, yes. | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i want maybe 6-10 stacks. | [10:16] |
| fghj: | ok, I'll try remarkable before sleep, you can give me bundle and key | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | still got the nt ? | [10:16] |
| fghj: | and tubers I happen to not have full stacks I have 5k | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll take it and you can get more. | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | and where do you live that you go to sleep at noon ?! | [10:17] |
| fghj: | at noon? | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | well 12:20 here | [10:19] |
| fghj: | I'm at UTC+1 | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | say, need to finish this click, be like 5 ? | [10:20] |
| fghj: | ok | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron> on a related note, mircea_popescu are you sure it's not a glitch that my neophyte mcguyver bundle came out to quality 120 when all the ingredients used were over 140 quality? <<< i'm pretty sure, it's a bit of mechanics. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | I suppose i'll give the show away on this one. So before, lbn was produced through maculature, which was produced from blueprints. Obviously this is no longer tenable, at least not as the main process, because bp scarcity. So instead, with the bp looting update I changed it so maculature is now produced from clicking the bp looting bps. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | This puts those bsp (the considerations) in a very peculiar position : a qty of goods go in, they split these goods into a lbn-precursor and a bp-precursor pile. The lever as to how much is split is the qty of maculature they loot. Expect this to vary over time, as the supply needs of the game change. Currently - not so bad on BPs, kinda short on LBNs. | [10:33] |
| danielpbarron: | no auction on the tubers? | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | Make sense ? | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | and done fghj | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | come with me to the electron for bundle. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5012 * 87 * .8 = 348835.2 | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj what are you charging on the mining ? was it 10 \% ? | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | so if i'm reading that right, i don't wanna do this click until everyone else does theirs | [10:34] |
| fghj: | yes | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj oh drat. | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | or does that mean i'm locked into the ratio when the bundle is made? | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | say, i can't carry enough to BUY a grass remark bundle. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | would you mind buying me a few if i give you the moneys ? | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron nah, you can attempt to time it. | [10:36] |
| danielpbarron: | so then what does that explaination have to do with it only being 120 quality? | [10:36] |
| fghj: | I dun get it, but I'll try | [10:36] |
| danielpbarron: | or with it not being possible to get 100 quality using even the maximum number of ingredients at quality 100 | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah nm here it is. under c lol | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | my bank is overfloweth | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron cuz it can produce more or less maculature, making the BUNDLE worth more or less, | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | making the value you put in translate into more or less | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | gl fghj ! | [10:37] |
| danielpbarron: | the base value of the bundle at quality 100 worth more or less? | [10:37] |
| danielpbarron: | does that mean i should expect to see the quality fluctuate? | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the count of maculature produced varies, yes. | [10:39] |
| danielpbarron: | O.o | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ikr? | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's work the numbers. say you put in tome and numina and what else is in there worth exactly 172700. say the craft outputs 100 maculature. thus therefore, you will make a bundle q 100. | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | say tomorrow craft only outputs 50 maculature. thus therefore, you will make a bundle q 200 | [10:40] |
| danielpbarron: | well it's still quality 120 | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll keep an eye on it | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | "still" in what sense ? | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | the bundle i made | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, don't expect this to change every five minutes. | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | daily | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | not even. it ~may~ change, is all. | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | add it to my bezzle schedule | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | generally it'd be announced anyway. | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol bezzle schedule win. | [10:42] |
| danielpbarron: | seeing as how ~I~ don't need bits.. and I didn't buy this thing to make bits, I'll wait for you all to make your bits | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | alternatively... give it to a noob to click ? | [10:43] |
| danielpbarron: | that's the plan no matter what at this point | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then what diff do you think it makes ? | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh cuz he makes a larger pile of maculature and you don't want it ? | [10:43] |
| danielpbarron: | unless i've misunderstood something, the quality of the bundle will go up so the noob click will produce more blueprints | [10:44] |
| danielpbarron: | maculature isn't the loot | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen - noob click will produce what it produces, maculature at noob q. the REMAINDER will be blueprints. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | so yes there will be a little change, but not much, you see ? | [10:44] |
| danielpbarron: | if the quality goes from 120 to 140 that's a 16\% increase | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes but on a narrow base. say noob makes q 5 as they often do. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so before he made 1000 out of 172k worth of maculature, now he makes 1500 out of 172k | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | the neophyte mcguyver consideration explicitly says 89 maculature | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so your loss is... 1\% ? maybe worth waiting, obv. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | so now i'm really confused | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | or is ~that~ going to change? | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | looky, let's work a complete example. | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so your NMcGC - they take what ? and what qualities ? | [10:48] |
| danielpbarron: | 29170+999*10+100+88462 <- ink, nosehairs, token, tomb | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | those are the values at quality 100 | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | the qualities i used were all over 140 | [10:50] |
| danielpbarron: | token over 300 even, but that's an insignificant part of it | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. so then : you give these to noob. | [10:50] |
| danielpbarron: | the raw ingredients? | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | currently, bv of bundle is 1727 * 89 = 153703. | [10:51] |
| danielpbarron: | can there be two different neophyte mcguyver considerations that have different values for '89'? | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | when the noob goes to craft it, the system sees ( 29170+999*10+100+88462)×1.4 ÷ 153703 | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so reports q 116 | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | when the click actually happens, the system sees the noob getting 89 * 1727 * .05 = 7685.15 in maculature. this leaves a ( 29170+999*10+100+88462)×1.4 - 7685.15 to be played with and spit out somehow as blueprints. | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | now suppose tomorrow the bp says 49 instead of 89 | [10:52] |
| danielpbarron: | aha | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | when the click actually happens THEN, the system sees the noob getting 49 * 1727 * .05 = 4231.15 in maculature. this leaves a ( 29170+999*10+100+88462)×1.4 - 4231.15 to be played with and spit out somehow as blueprints. | [10:53] |
| danielpbarron: | even if the bundle was made when it was 89? | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | the relative impact on your ( 29170+999*10+100+88462)×1.4 = 178810.8 of the 5k differential is 3\% | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the bundle was made when it was 89, the bundle will now be q 210 instead. | [10:54] |
| danielpbarron: | ok then! | [10:54] |
| danielpbarron: | very strange, but i get it | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i'm not 100\% happy that this will be the definitive format here, the mechanic itself may change later, but it's what it is for nao. | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am kinda eyeing an ideal of self-regulating economy, but can't say i fully understand the matter yet. | [11:01] |
| Gaxaro: | Alright im back. | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo there's going to be a miniupdate at 8pm gmt. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | generally, we'll try to do the server updates wednesdays from now on. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hi Gaxaro | [11:40] |
| Gaxaro: | Ah i see. | [11:41] |
| Gaxaro: | 17:41 on the day here atm. So let's see. | [11:41] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> anyway, i'm not 100\% happy that this will be the definitive format here << yeah i'm iffy on it too | [13:04] |
| danielpbarron: | for two reasons: 1) seems odd that an inked blueprint has its text change without a player specifically altering it with a spell or some sort of skill, and 2) i'd rather see resource allocation be left up to players deciding to do more of one thing or another and possibly choosing wrong and losing out or choosing right and getting rewarded | [13:06] |
| danielpbarron: | rewarded by other players paying premiums that is, not by some mechanic | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | text change ? | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, i see what you mea. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... it'a complicated really. not all considerations have the same maculature output etc | [13:31] |
| fghj: | auction 24548 q5 NT from 1.71m till I get into town | [14:07] |
| danielpbarron: | fghj, can you do a click for me? | [14:09] |
| fghj: | what kind of click? | [14:09] |
| danielpbarron: | a first ever kinda of click | [14:09] |
| danielpbarron: | ah wait i forgot i want to time it though | [14:10] |
| fghj: | I'm lvl 4 tinkerer now | [14:10] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [14:10] |
| danielpbarron: | hrm | [14:10] |
| fghj: | is it noobish enough? | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i need to wait anyway, i forgot | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | apparently the output potential on this click varies per day possibly, so i need not only a noob, but one that can be summoned quickly when I see that the time is right | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj 1.71mn. | [14:13] |
| fghj: | I'm in town a winner is ^^ | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerz | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | now if only someone sold me like 3k lft, we'd have a bonanza! | [14:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr : i am currently building the samovars, and will proceed to make GT in due time. if anyone needs | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | grubsilk thread? | [14:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios fghj | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the one diana_coman | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | is that needed now? | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | should have some stocks around | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... it's part of wot production ; and dt production. | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | wos* | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd be game for some lower q if you have any. | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | it's > 100 for sure | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | even so. | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | hm, 37 gt at 126q; no idea how to price it exactly, would have to look back into what it takes | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you around? | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | it takes acg and sg | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | and also server coming down presently. should be down briefly. | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, server back on. in today's crop : fixed a large pile of various bugs in char creation. also, the pop value should be correctly calculated and the announcement more informative. | [15:46] |
| fghj: | I started remarkable, if server crashes in 10h it will be my fault probably | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect you'll need loinger than me tho, if lower skill. | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | this'll make a nice datapoint at any rate. | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems we'll have to go down a little more. sorry aobut that. | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj if you're still around... | [16:07] |
| fghj: | I locked claim so it won't vanish | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal. | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | and we're back on | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be fine now. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj ^ | [16:23] |
| Gaxaro: | Hello | [21:16] |
| danielpbarron: | hello | [21:18] |
| Gaxaro: | Playing bitquest atm while i am waiting lol | [21:30] |
| Gaxaro: | Hey there Birdman | [21:31] |
| Birdman: | hello | [21:33] |
| Birdman: | are you playing yet? | [21:34] |
| danielpbarron: | Gaxaro, i think the wait is over | [21:35] |
| danielpbarron: | server was updated this afternoon | [21:35] |
| Gaxaro: | Hmm okay | [21:36] |
| Gaxaro: | I have no idea if i am able to login yet, so i am gonna try now | [21:36] |
| Gaxaro: | Yes i am able to log in! | [21:37] |
| Birdman: | woo! | [21:37] |
| Birdman: | meet me in town and we'll start you off mining this claim | [21:38] |
| danielpbarron: | braces himself for the lulz that are about to ensue | [21:38] |
| Gaxaro: | Trying to figure out a good name atm | [21:39] |
| Birdman: | oh right, need to skill item | [21:39] |
| Birdman: | so whats that cost danielpbarron | [21:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd like him to try it without the skill item | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | lemme see if i'd even part with one | [21:40] |
| Birdman: | it will simply crash the server | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | if i have a multiple of 3 then probably not | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | well that's my hypothesis but i don't know for sure | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, are you around just incase i'm right? | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | which one is building, the rock? | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | if so then i could part with one | [21:41] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | seems like a waste though | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd charge way more than you could probably get the book for | [21:41] |
| Birdman: | you think? | [21:41] |
| Birdman: | looking at bp costs in the 1500\% range so | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | well the book is what, 100k | [21:41] |
| Birdman: | doubt it | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm gonna want at least 2 mn probably more | [21:42] |
| Birdman: | who has the 1-100 books for building? | [21:42] |
| Gaxaro: | Blazblue Godefray is my name | [21:42] |
| Gaxaro: | I am in town right now | [21:42] |
| Birdman: | gotta get you a skill book before anything | [21:43] |
| Gaxaro: | Yup. | [21:43] |
| Birdman: | and one for gathering | [21:43] |
| danielpbarron: | he don't need gathering lolz | [21:43] |
| Birdman: | i can make the tinkering one myself | [21:43] |
| Birdman: | he will eventually right? | [21:43] |
| Birdman: | thats the one skill leveling up makes sense for noobing | [21:43] |
| Birdman: | effective noobing from level 1-200 in my case | [21:44] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't ~need~ any skills | [21:44] |
| danielpbarron: | he could just stand in town buying low and selling high | [21:44] |
| Birdman: | now that i need to level building, noob gathering ords makes sense | [21:45] |
| Birdman: | if i wasnt trying to be the best gatherer | [21:45] |
| danielpbarron: | give me warning if you're gonna have him tinker or build without skill | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | which I ~do~ want him to try | [21:49] |
| Birdman: | well its on you if he does but we all know what will happen | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | but preferably when Mircea is here to start server again when it crashes | [21:49] |
| Birdman: | right' | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | we don't know | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | we only know sacrifice without skill crashes it | [21:50] |
| Birdman: | yeah, but for what reason? | [21:50] |
| danielpbarron: | this will be a very useful point of data if tinkering and building also crashes | [21:50] |
| Birdman: | im sure its the same thing why itll crash any other try on whatever skill | [21:50] |
| danielpbarron: | well mcguyvering without skill doesn't crash it | [21:51] |
| danielpbarron: | so it's not simply not having a skill | [21:51] |
| danielpbarron: | my hypothesis is that it's in not having the main skill for the tab | [21:51] |
| Birdman: | oh i wasnt aware | [21:51] |
| Birdman: | ahh no kidding | [21:51] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah you can mcguyver without the skill | [21:51] |
| danielpbarron: | and gung-ho gumbo | [21:51] |
| danielpbarron: | in fact most of us gung-ho'd without a skill for most of the game | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | only recently did the book come out | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | but as far as i know, nobody has ever tried to tinker or build without a skill | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | if it doesn't crash, he'd probably get the lowest quality too | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | lower than 5 | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman> it will simply crash the server << no, it won't. | [21:53] |
| Birdman: | ah so then i should wait to have him try a build without the skill | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | all crafting/exploring should work just fine w/o skills. | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | if you have the skill, you only get one click of the lowest quality and then you get a forced rank up | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | exploring even? | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | Gaxaro, type /explore | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | that didn't work for me when i didn't have gathering | [21:53] |
| Gaxaro: | alright i will do that | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | and also, build a claim, and tinker something | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll give you 3 grass and a blueprint or something | [21:54] |
| Gaxaro: | Well i have no skills yet | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't need skill, or so we shall see | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | did /explore work? | [21:55] |
| Gaxaro: | Well it said that i didn't find anything | [21:55] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [21:56] |
| danielpbarron: | you saw the loading bar?? | [21:56] |
| danielpbarron: | wow | [21:56] |
| Gaxaro: | Yeah | [21:56] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so you don't even need any skills | [21:56] |
| danielpbarron: | but let's do tinkering real quick | [21:56] |
| danielpbarron: | come trade me | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron> we only know sacrifice without skill crashes it << not any longer, was fixed today. | [21:57] |
| danielpbarron: | oh cool | [21:57] |
| danielpbarron: | hmm | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's loads more stuff coming, but by and by. | [21:58] |
| danielpbarron: | Gaxaro, where did you go? | [22:00] |
| Gaxaro: | Im here | [22:00] |
| Gaxaro: | Sorry lol | [22:00] |
| Gaxaro: | was getting a drink | [22:00] |
| Birdman: | wanna get started on that build Gaxaro ? | [22:00] |
| danielpbarron: | ok go click that | [22:00] |
| Gaxaro: | Sure | [22:00] |
| danielpbarron: | do the tinker first | [22:01] |
| Gaxaro: | But i dont have the tinker book yet | [22:01] |
| danielpbarron: | go over to the communal craft table | [22:01] |
| Birdman: | do dps test, ill be back in like 10 min | [22:01] |
| Gaxaro: | or well the tinker skill | [22:01] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [22:01] |
| danielpbarron: | stabs Gaxaro | [22:01] |
| Gaxaro: | But yeah let me try lol | [22:01] |
| Birdman: | mp just said you dont need them anymore | [22:01] |
| Birdman: | just cant rank it up without the skill | [22:01] |
| danielpbarron: | which seeing as how you went and committed suicide over having ranked up, probably isn't a problem for you | [22:02] |
| Gaxaro: | oh | [22:02] |
| danielpbarron: | hehe you're about to get pinned to the floor with numina | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | put the blueprint in your mind | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | not that craft table | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | it worked! | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | and it's quality 2! | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | wowowow | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | how much loot did that get you? | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | you can keep it whateve it is | [22:04] |
| Gaxaro: | 1 thread and 9k tinker feeling and 7k more | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | loller. | [22:05] |
| danielpbarron: | lollol | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | electron eats well today. | [22:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd say just put it in storage until someone wants sit | [22:06] |
| danielpbarron: | probably aren't worth enough to even get copper from Electron | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh there is that huh. | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... they do get used in your craftline danielpbarron neh ? | [22:06] |
| danielpbarron: | but 999 feelings are potentially 21 high quality sentiments in the right hand | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | or 875. why oc. | [22:07] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i just don't need them now, already have enough high quality ones | [22:07] |
| danielpbarron: | and storage is nearly full | [22:07] |
| danielpbarron: | or did that also get fixed? | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope, that's iffier. | [22:07] |
| Birdman: | yupp Gaxaro looks like things worked out best this way huh | [22:08] |
| Gaxaro: | Yeah, tho i wont be able to see what my levels are lol | [22:09] |
| danielpbarron: | slaps Gaxaro around a bit with a large skill | [22:09] |
| Birdman: | heh | [22:09] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't need to see it! | [22:09] |
| Birdman: | its not there | [22:09] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't want to rank up | [22:09] |
| Gaxaro: | oh okay | [22:09] |
| danielpbarron: | you now have an edge over even fghj | [22:09] |
| Birdman: | think of it as your guy can make anything, but no matter how much he does he wont remember how to do it better next time | [22:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | fancy that one. | [22:09] |
| Gaxaro: | Yeah makes sense | [22:10] |
| Gaxaro: | Was i gonna try that build? | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | might take you an entire 24 hours though | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha is he doing your tlc ? | [22:11] |
| Gaxaro: | That's fine lol | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | where you cant disconnect or anything | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | this will be pure awesome | [22:11] |
| Gaxaro: | Still in town btw | [22:12] |
| Birdman: | kk | [22:12] |
| danielpbarron: | who will hold the key? | [22:13] |
| danielpbarron: | you could have him click and then lock it | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess prices of low q raw materials finally are going down now huh! | [22:13] |
| danielpbarron: | if his build quality is also 2, then yeah that's 3 times more for the same work | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's tinkering at 2 ? | [22:14] |
| danielpbarron: | nods | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty sweet. | [22:14] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe there is some hidden stat that boosted it from 1 | [22:15] |
| Birdman: | sooo mircea_popescu you still gonna buy these tlc 1.8k a pop? | [22:16] |
| Birdman: | and Gaxaro how familiar are you with building claims? | [22:17] |
| Birdman: | i puut the bundle in the claim, im gonna unlock it and walk away and then you have to start the build, ill walk back over and lock it then we just wait till its done | [22:18] |
| Gaxaro: | Well, i just know about the bot building claims for you when you find rescoures | [22:18] |
| Birdman: | so right click on it | [22:18] |
| Birdman: | and top left is where the lock / unlock button is for claims | [22:19] |
| Birdman: | if you have the key, of course, you can lock and unlock claims | [22:19] |
| Gaxaro: | Yeah. | [22:19] |
| Birdman: | we lock after starting an expensive long build because if the server crashes or you are afk when its finished it will disappear with your stuff | [22:20] |
| Birdman: | but not if locked | [22:20] |
| Gaxaro: | Do i use or combine? | [22:20] |
| Gaxaro: | Okay got it. | [22:20] |
| Birdman: | nah, thats if you put the ingredients in the claim which turns them into a bundle | [22:20] |
| Birdman: | if you already have the right bundle you just put it in the claim and click the 'use' button | [22:20] |
| Birdman: | now we wait for mircea_popescu's answer as to whether or not we have a green light for this | [22:21] |
| Gaxaro: | Alright. | [22:21] |
| Birdman: | so ill be back in 10 min | [22:21] |
| Gaxaro: | Well, i'm not extacly sure what is gonna happen once i click use. | [22:24] |
| Gaxaro: | I know it will build. I wonder how i know it's ready tho. | [22:25] |
| danielpbarron: | you realize the thing he's having you do will take literally all night | [22:26] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe even a day | [22:26] |
| Gaxaro: | That's fine with me | [22:27] |
| danielpbarron: | you'll know it's done when you have so many clovers on you that you can't move | [22:28] |
| Gaxaro: | Okay lol | [22:28] |
| Birdman: | might have to wait till tomorrow thhough, as i dont want to do this before i get an answer from mp | [22:29] |
| danielpbarron: | what is the alternative? you build it yourself? | [22:31] |
| danielpbarron: | and if that's your plan, plan on holding on to it for a long while | [22:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not even high enough build rank to want to do a remarkable | [22:31] |
| Gaxaro: | Well it's 04:32 in the morning here atm | [22:32] |
| Birdman: | yeah well the scarcity isnt changed due to my remark, thats my luxury to enjoy | [22:32] |
| Gaxaro: | So it would be a waste not doing it now lol | [22:32] |
| Birdman: | so i have no problems with sittin on it | [22:33] |
| Gaxaro: | But yeah just waiting until you get a-okay lol | [22:38] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [22:39] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/ | [22:55] |
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