| mircea_popescu: | 1 MS, d 132k, 175k heard diana_coman <<< you've won i think ? | [00:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | come pick up ? | [00:12] |
| danielpbarron: | ah dang didn't see that one | [00:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol i think this daily auctions model doesn't work so well. | [00:13] |
| Birdman: | i think im all set on the ms for a bit | [00:14] |
| Birdman: | 7 bct q171 -> 1 cordage bundle q170 | [00:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not totally convinced that quality of supplication matters in a sacrifice, but since you seem to be able to produce them fairly easily diana_coman I'd like to buy some more when you get the chance, like 5 of each rocks (not stones), murky, chicken, sparks, lists, tape, almanac | [02:22] |
| danielpbarron: | or mircea_popescu if your bouq quality is still high | [02:23] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, I have 38 pointy clumps of slag; want them? q119 | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | usual 125\% | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I bouq now at 103q only, is that fine? in any case I should still have like 1 supp of rocks and 2 of chicken from better days so should be around 160q | [02:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy those actually | [02:34] |
| danielpbarron: | the slags | [02:34] |
| danielpbarron: | and the supps | [02:34] |
| danielpbarron: | and probably also the 103 supps unless Mircea does it higher and is willing | [02:34] |
| Birdman: | ill take those slags for 130\% | [02:41] |
| Birdman: | actually nvm dont have funds for em this second | [02:42] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I'd give hanbot a chance to get some too seeing how she said she was stuck on the wm with them so maybe danielpbarron you get 28 only if you want them now? | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I'm here for the samovar if you are around | [02:47] |
| diana_coman: | re supps danielpbarron I'm quite sure MP bouqs at higher q seeing how he has at least 400 rank in bouq + 800 in tink | [02:47] |
| diana_coman: | I'm any away focusing on farming+mining atm so it's best if he does them for sure, but I'll sell what I still have, no problem | [02:48] |
| Birdman: | he tinkers near 150q | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | duh | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | bouqs i mean | [02:49] |
| danielpbarron: | can i come to town to pick up now? | [02:52] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, ^ | [02:52] |
| diana_coman: | on my way | [02:56] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [02:56] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, ready | [02:57] |
| danielpbarron: | coming | [02:57] |
| diana_coman: | 367.5k | [02:59] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [03:00] |
| danielpbarron: | no supps? | [03:00] |
| diana_coman: | ah | [03:00] |
| diana_coman: | forgot, coming back | [03:00] |
| diana_coman: | 2 delights, 1 rocks, 2 chicken | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | want them all? | [03:01] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | 159q 160q 159q | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | bv are like 25k-26.6k so 295k the lot? | [03:04] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | I have 5k change | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | good luck | [03:05] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks! | [03:05] |
| diana_coman: | afk; will be back in ~1.5 hrs | [03:11] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu do you have a need for low q ppb | [04:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman gimme half hour or so to make one lol. | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | one samovar? wasn't it auctioned? | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | is confused | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | didnt 'you win it ? | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but I thought it was already available, lol | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well it was, then, meanwhile i burned it :) | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | but making a shiny new one! | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | a-ha, he burnt my samovar!!!! | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | jiggles his toothpastes | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | that's good, you'll need then ae :D | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | I'm finally wearing down the pickaxes basically | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | no hurry with the samovar anyway | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | o you got mining ?! | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | yessss | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahahaah wd! | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | o, hanbot's hammers huh | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | very nice hammers, love a BIG hammer :D | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol who knew. | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | well then you're gonna love this, right ? cuz im making 1k or so CS. | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | omg | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | kiss the cook! | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | only with a hammer :D | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | did i walk into that one. | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | quite :p | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've worn down so many uh i'd be much surprised if mircescu's not totally harmless by now anyway. | [08:43] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, there's quite huge demand for cs as people want to get shitty ords with them | [08:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | should i be auctioning off some ft bps q 150ish ? | [08:44] |
| diana_coman: | tbh my numbers show that noob ords are not quite worth their trouble as one can get better overall with my smalls + noob building | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | interesting. | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... you can only make so many smalls, for one thing. | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | I'm considering perhaps making an offer of selling smalls really | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | well, so it's for ords, no? | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | on grass I get about 1:4 smalls:tiny and it doesn't take that long to make them therefore | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | this is what I'll do until I get tons of grass really (assuming I get noobs to build them) | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | re ft bps I'll buy | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, cs still have their uses too, for sure | [08:48] |
| Birdman: | 1k cs wow | [08:49] |
| Birdman: | so you get more out of a small from your cs with a noob building, than a noob building his own ord from a cs? | [08:51] |
| Birdman: | <diana_coman>tbh my numbers show that noob ords are not quite worth their trouble as one can get better overall with my smalls + noob building << what im reffering to | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, when factoring in the costs of building an ord vs costs of building a small (7 high q CFT!) - yes | [08:53] |
| Birdman: | interesting if true | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | the output on noob ords seems to be extremely stable | [08:54] |
| Birdman: | ive yet to see a difference in gathering rank to claim output | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | so that's easy to gauge/estimate | [08:54] |
| Birdman: | what do you mean by stable? When i build a bunch of sb awhile back it was all over the place | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | the output on my claims (of all sorts) is not that stable though, so it's a bit more delicate to give a number, but normally one would make the averages over long runs | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | your own ord claims? | [08:55] |
| Birdman: | yes | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | weird then | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | what gathering level do you have? | [08:55] |
| Birdman: | now 145 | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | oh so then lol | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | what level did you have when that "all over the place"? | [08:57] |
| Birdman: | well you gotta understand it was when i had ~50 gathering | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | I am talking of noob ords, hence level 5 for instance | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | this is what I have data for, the rest I don't know | [08:57] |
| Birdman: | the way i see it gathering is for enum q and hit rates, nothing more | [08:58] |
| Birdman: | do claims even show a quality? | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | well, my view is a bit richer on that it would seem | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | I haven't seen a quality number somewhere, no | [08:59] |
| Birdman: | how much tool decay does a use of a toolkit have for you? | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | bandar toolkit? | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | 2172 last I checked | [08:59] |
| Birdman: | exactly my point, better the gathering, the better your rewards will be for that skill. i.e hit rates and rare things like dan's bare handed and sizeable | [09:00] |
| Birdman: | and yes, thanks | [09:00] |
| diana_coman: | the fact that a quality number is not *shown* means....what exactly? | [09:00] |
| diana_coman: | (I'll give you the answer on that: nothing) | [09:01] |
| Birdman: | we can only infer on what is known ya? | [09:01] |
| diana_coman: | known != shown | [09:01] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [09:01] |
| Birdman: | i guess | [09:01] |
| Birdman: | but to rehash an old point, ive proven to myself and danielpbarron that our claims mirrored the other's in output | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | and we can only infer on what we find out one way or another, rather than what "is known" as a generic fluffy fuzzy knowledge-pet | [09:02] |
| Birdman: | i think primarily the reason being is that building the claim is effected by.. bulding | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman> but to rehash an old point, ive proven to myself and danielpbarron that our claims mirrored the other's in output <- good on you two I guess | [09:03] |
| Birdman: | hey its free info, take it for what its worth | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [09:04] |
| Birdman: | is there any reason i should save my worn toolkits? | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | how would I know that? | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | and ftr, Birdman what's your decay on toolkits? | [09:06] |
| Birdman: | im not certain | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | ? easy to check... | [09:06] |
| Birdman: | dont want to waste a use right now | [09:06] |
| Birdman: | dont want mcguyver exp, gonna hire a noob for max loot | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | aren't you a noob? | [09:07] |
| Birdman: | no | [09:07] |
| Birdman: | i tinker closer to 50 now | [09:07] |
| Birdman: | so its not a sweet as it was when i was at q23 | [09:07] |
| Birdman: | what is your decay on MS diana_coman ? | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | lolz Birdman grep the logs maybe? | [09:13] |
| Birdman: | if you know it off the top of your head i guess | [09:14] |
| Birdman: | what does grep mean btw | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2900something it was | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | some ~3k iirc ; as for grep you'll need to google it, lol | [09:15] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [09:15] |
| Birdman: | anyone have some eggs for sale? | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman neh ? | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I'm still trying to make some stocks of moss first; I prolly have some 10 eggs only | [09:19] |
| Birdman: | ill take em | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | ok, 1 min | [09:19] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu want the ppb? have 114 at q35 | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok trade me. | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | 6k Birdman | [09:20] |
| Birdman: | ty | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | yw | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4466 × 114 × .95 = 483667.8 | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | got change Birdman ? | [09:22] |
| Birdman: | no, thats fine though | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios. | [09:22] |
| Birdman: | your number was 7k higher than i thought itd be anyways | [09:23] |
| Birdman: | you doin 155q on tinkering now? | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep | [09:23] |
| Birdman: | had a feelin, saw your paste bundle q | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, 155q on tinkering | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | and q on farming doesn't want to budge at all | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | picked berries all night and the bar for farming barely moved the space of 2 letters, lol | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | letter farmin'! | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, maybe the building increase will give it a bump | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess now you're torn between mountain an' plain huh. | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine, lol | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis have everything ready just let me know | [09:28] |
| Birdman: | so to be clear no one has seen loot from an under craft besides me? | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do ocasionally. | [10:30] |
| Birdman: | ah, makes it much less awesom | [10:30] |
| Birdman: | fghj need some work? | [10:30] |
| fghj: | what kind? | [10:31] |
| Birdman: | crafting of sorts | [10:31] |
| Birdman: | cooking, really. | [10:31] |
| fghj: | I'm lvl 3 at tinkering is it low enough? | [10:32] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [10:32] |
| fghj: | ok, but first anyone interested in 34k of solid branches q5? | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I did too, though I didn't bother to fully track it down | [10:33] |
| Birdman: | I thought it was something more noteworthy but i guess not | [10:33] |
| Birdman: | still have that whole, 'only find smalls' thing going for me though | [10:34] |
| jurov: | fghj: i'll puy @46 | [10:34] |
| jurov: | *buy | [10:34] |
| fghj: | ok, you in town? | [10:35] |
| jurov: | yes | [10:36] |
| Birdman: | fghj what would you want for payment to do 47 crafts on the samovar | [10:37] |
| Birdman: | im not directly selling any of the actual products afaik, i just need the bps, so im not sure how to calculate the normal 10\% wage | [10:38] |
| Birdman: | in fact i'd probably be running in the red if i calc it like that anyways after tool decay and ingreds | [10:38] |
| Birdman: | afk for 30 or so | [10:42] |
| lobbesbot: | News from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), January 2016 Statement <http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-january-2016-statement/> | [10:57] |
| fghj: | This is very good question, I actually have no idea | [11:04] |
| fghj: | I got 1,5milion for 36h craft and 2m for 18h craft that took this long only because bot was protesting too much | [11:12] |
| fghj: | anyway now I'll have to be afk for 30min | [11:13] |
| Birdman: | im around, call it 1.2k per craft unless its some crazy heaps of loot you bring back? the other half is ive never had a noob do this so im entirely in the dark as to what a fair wage is | [11:37] |
| Birdman: | anyone have high q bct? | [11:39] |
| jurov: | how high? | [11:43] |
| Birdman: | ~100 would work, but the higher the better | [11:43] |
| jurov: | nm then | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could make some if you had low cft. | [11:45] |
| Birdman: | i may do a quick grass run after the cordage if that's the case | [11:46] |
| Birdman: | and whats the status on tool kits? | [11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're... making cs ? | [11:57] |
| Birdman: | fghj: think fast! | [11:57] |
| Birdman: | welp i need some if available | [11:57] |
| hanbot: | <diana_coman> hanbot, I have 38 pointy clumps of slag; want them? q119 << if you still have 10 reserved, yes please | [11:57] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, my shop.. look at it some time | [12:37] |
| Birdman: | screw your shop | [12:38] |
| Birdman: | ill let you know when i need to get fucked on prices | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | hahaha | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i'm usually the most available, so i guess it's like a convenience store | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | although i'm at a diner atm | [12:39] |
| Birdman: | welp if you're willing to do a reasonable price on some bct id probably buy the stock | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, yes | [12:42] |
| Birdman: | really hoping wyrd loots the crap out of that toothpaste | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, is that bct bps you need or bct? | [12:43] |
| Birdman: | bct | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | I have only low q | [12:44] |
| Birdman: | me too | [12:44] |
| danielpbarron: | :D | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | what quantity do you need? | [12:44] |
| Birdman: | few hundred | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | heh, guess ask mp to add it to the list | [12:44] |
| Birdman: | mhm | [12:45] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, I'll keep those 10 pcs reserved for when we meet somehow; I'll be back in ~2hrs so 8pm gmt - 10pm gmt I'm usually around | [12:47] |
| hanbot: | am in now | [12:47] |
| diana_coman: | oh, great, 1 sec | [12:47] |
| diana_coman: | 131k hanbot | [12:48] |
| diana_coman: | 10*1.19*1.25*8824 | [12:48] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [12:49] |
| hanbot: | thank you | [12:49] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron come bare handed me a tiny next to the npc's so i can store some bps in it | [13:56] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, that's not a good idea | [14:42] |
| danielpbarron: | you should make an ord for that | [14:42] |
| danielpbarron: | tinies are not reliable | [14:43] |
| Birdman: | i think keys dont degrade if in storage | [15:27] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but locked claims do eventually get swept up | [15:29] |
| danielpbarron: | and tinies go first | [15:29] |
| danielpbarron: | now that i'm back at my real computoor, i see my braided threads are quality 171 | [15:31] |
| danielpbarron: | so there's that | [15:31] |
| danielpbarron: | not in a rush to lose those | [15:31] |
| danielpbarron: | but will part with small amounts at high markup for people who absolutely must have the overcraft | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | my markup is nothing compared to what i'm made to pay for my sacrifice stuff | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | so my sympathy is extremely limited | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | if you have low quality threads i'll turn them into braided for you, provided it's worth my time | [15:34] |
| danielpbarron: | but i think that's the same deal everyone else was offering | [15:35] |
| danielpbarron: | and i'm not in a rush to underbid since i have lots to do anyway | [15:35] |
| danielpbarron: | also you need to either include blueprints or pay to use mine | [15:36] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, ^ | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron> my markup is nothing compared to what i'm made to pay for my sacrifice stuff << so in the end should i make more wine ? | [15:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy more | [15:38] |
| danielpbarron: | rather have tuber tea | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | more as in how much ? | [15:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i could use at least another 100 | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i guess i add it to the list then | [15:39] |
| danielpbarron: | and teas, at least .. idk 200 | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i looked at teas, they take fucking io by the cartload | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun have the io to spare ;/ | [15:39] |
| danielpbarron: | is diana's page wrong? i don't see io | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | wm, same thing. | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i have lots of that | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | low q i assume you want? | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | no it's cooking, i want over 150 | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | low q mushroom would be great tho for high q io. selling ? | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | no i'd rather make that myself | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I can sell some low q wm | [15:41] |
| danielpbarron: | limited on flasks | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | so: anyone wants to make those ibs I have into flasks? | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | I remember I asked this some time ago, lol | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | there should be a "work for noobs" page somewhere | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> is diana's page wrong? i don't see io <- I don't have IO as such atm; I have bps and low q wm though | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean your index | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | ah, there is | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | which btw is wrong on supplications | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | says i need -9999999 chicken things | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Improbable-Oil.html | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | those it doesn't have it lists like that, what can I do | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | and it's kinda misleading to say it's a blueprint for a token | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | they are all a blueprint for a token | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | well, it's what the bp itself says | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | nothing linear strikes again | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman "some". speak teh numbers! | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | the bill of materials is calculated automatically and the -99999 is basically for "I don't know what fucking scribblings takes nor that it is a basic resource" | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | it's 3 | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I wasn't at storage, lol; here goes: 600 wm q7 | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | it's always 3 | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | no, you don't get it | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | 3 is a very faithy number | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | it says 3 there in the actual bp, doesn't it? | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman sold. | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | the bill of materials however is a different story | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | and you can have your samovar too. | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | it calculates recursively what resources are needed | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | oh you mean what goes into making a chicken thing? ahah this cannot be generated programatically | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | yes danielpbarron you got it | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | sacrifice breaks your fancy auto pager | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | cool mircea_popescu getting the wm out | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | lol, it's not the only one as basically everything which I don't know | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | like homunculus | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | it's like quantum mechanics | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | but yes, it's not a perfect static thing, but the current state of crafting knowledge I have, lol | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | I was hoping to make those wm into oil myself, but now I clearly have no time for crafting | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 600 * 780 * .82 = 383760 + 175000 = 558760 | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ummm | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean 208760 | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | 208760 sounds right, lol | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | you added them, lol | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | so? | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima need ~5 minutes for craft to finish before i can log out for your tool. | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | that one next to you? | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol the one on your shoulder | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | everyone with bum stoves over here | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, cool | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | by the look of it I'm not going to use it any time soon, but still | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | plus it was a bargain, lol | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe yeah. | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well eventually demand runs out you know. anyway, a few of these good to have for a cloudy night | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | some experience in eulora teaches one that stocks are good , even stocks of tools, lol | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | (just in case one was not already a bit of a pack-rat) | [15:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i would have bid, i think that was part of the canceled wine auction and i guess i thought it was all canceled or just didn't notice the samovar | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | 1020 moss 124q, freshly picked up from an ogre's armpits or what was it, anyone wants it? | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | trade me when ready danielpbarron | [15:57] |
| danielpbarron: | oh and my fps is more like 20 most the time, sometimes 30 | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | 11.86 here o.o | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so now i am guarding two samovars | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | and a samovar containing toolkit | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ready diana_coman ? | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | got it mircea_popescu , thank you | [15:59] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | thanks danielpbarron | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu want wineskins and aw bps? | [16:20] |
| Birdman: | also have a decent amount of brew bps | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | atm got enough of those. fortunately they oc. | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | ah sweet | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | how about headdress, flatbread, tincture or tea? | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many tea you got ? | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | 71 of those | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | you know what | [16:24] |
| Birdman: | im just gonna wait a bit to tell you what i have, because i should be getting a bunch more momentarily | [16:24] |
| danielpbarron: | is there interest from noobs in buying locked small claims? and what's that worth? I was thinking like 10k a pop | [16:25] |
| danielpbarron: | keeping in mind that i make it real simple, a single key to a claim containing the ennumerations and remaining keys | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | basics only | [16:27] |
| Birdman: | to give you an idea, with q141 threads, which was lower at the time before the quality crash, and building q23, on a grass small of my own making i'd get around 300 from a grass | [16:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i already know the numbers, i didn't pull 10k out of my ass | [16:28] |
| danielpbarron: | not a deal meant for mediocre builders | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | if there is interest for them at 10k a pop i'd gladly sell them for 9k | [16:29] |
| danielpbarron: | well there is a finite amount so i'm sure we can both sell them at 10k if there is interest | [16:29] |
| danielpbarron: | they go faster than they come for sure | [16:29] |
| Birdman: | i suppose, but i can crank out 500 grass smalls real quick | [16:30] |
| danielpbarron: | barehanded? | [16:30] |
| Birdman: | no | [16:30] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so tools are the limit there | [16:30] |
| Birdman: | but the tool use to find them is near irrelevant | [16:30] |
| danielpbarron: | and i'm sure it's faster to build 500 claims than it is to make the tools that make 500 | [16:30] |
| Birdman: | in price at least, i guess its a bottleneck for now | [16:30] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> is there interest from noobs in buying locked small claims? and what's that worth? I was thinking like 10k a pop <- heh, you know I calculated earlier and got precisely to this same number, lol | [16:32] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah that leaves room for a decent profit for the work of running all over the map and hauling it all in to town | [16:32] |
| Birdman: | what do you mean hauling it back? | [16:33] |
| danielpbarron: | and then i don't have the headache of overseeing the work myself | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | oh profit on the noob's end | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | but I honestly doubt that Birdman's claim would really yield the same as mine or danielpbarron's | [16:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't believe it | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | well im always down to find out | [16:33] |
| danielpbarron: | can't see a quality on a claim | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect what one gets out of the claim depends *also* on the building level of the gatherer as it were so at claim creation time | [16:33] |
| danielpbarron: | as far as i'm concerned all small grass claims are equal | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | seeing how enum q depends on that from what data we have | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | for now | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | there was talk of enums coming seperate | [16:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't believe ennumeration quality matters in a build | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, not directly, no | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't say that | [16:34] |
| danielpbarron: | or even indirectly | [16:34] |
| danielpbarron: | or in any way at all | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | so why dont the three of us go down to grass quick, get 3 smalls each | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | and build em | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | lol, let me try again; my current working hypothesis : the *value* locked in a claim is established at the moment the claim is created | [16:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the *value* is the claim itself, in that it is either tiny or small or whatever | [16:35] |
| danielpbarron: | or else they are not at all fungible | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | they are not | [16:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i could say "here's a claim i made with my high gatheing" but really i got it from a noob | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | yep, that's the main trouble | [16:36] |
| danielpbarron: | and you'd not know because maybe variance | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | but that's how it is | [16:36] |
| Birdman: | without a q mark | [16:36] |
| danielpbarron: | or "here is a claim i made with my high gatheing" but really it was my own claim from a while ago | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | exactly | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | since the keys do have a crafter mark (sometimes) | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | and even worse, sometimes they have the ~wrong~ craftermark | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | so no, i'm not gonna assume there is any difference between claims | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | welp im ready to test whenever so keep me posted | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, lol, so basically because it is inconvenient, you assume it is false? ok | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i have 30 fruit smalls, how bout you two also make 30, and get the same noob to build them all | [16:39] |
| Birdman: | ill make the comparison claims, to further the distance in building/gathering skills | [16:39] |
| Birdman: | and i get fruit smalls easy as hell | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | what did you get them with, danielpbarron ? | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | barehanded | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | well that's another test too | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | your gathering is near mine | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't have time for that | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | and you use tools | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | is it? | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | I have no idea, lol | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | close enough | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | where's yours at roughly? | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | 500? | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | somewhere between 400 and 600 :p | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | above, below | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | so what are we comparing then there? | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | barehanded vs tooled | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | and birdman's is low rank vs high rank (both tooled) | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | but with 200+- "precision" in rank? | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | and building? | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | what. ever. the point is that i think they'll all have same result | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | and if they don't, then that's already revealing enough | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | define "same" too | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | 30 claims should be enough to calm the variance | [16:42] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: please define upfront what difference you consider enough for them to be "not same" | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | hundreds | [16:42] |
| danielpbarron: | not even | [16:42] |
| danielpbarron: | thousands | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | oh over all 30 | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | oh per claim? | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah hundreds for sure | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | no, overall | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | how is that per claim | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | what's a small get, like 500 or something | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | if you have twice the quality on your enums, assuming that holds through to claims, the difference in output would be noticed in a heartbeat | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | ok, so 1k or more difference overall and they are "different" | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | haven't really done rf so don't know | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | more than that | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know for sure except i'll know it when i see it | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, that's not a way to compare really | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | well | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | the only other way to do it | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | is to have high level and low level gathering get the claims | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | is to define upfront what you mean by words, lol | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | and get a fresh noob to build both | [16:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i have other claims too but i have exactly 30 fruit, and they are all in the same spot, and it's a nice easy spot to see. all flat | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | you'd see a huge difference if there was one | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | and if its slim to none thats the proof there | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, where's your building at? | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | somewhere between 0 and 200 :p | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, rf is good for the spot and I should be able to get 30 smalls fast enough | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | lol, then I'll report the output also as "something between 10k and 50k" | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | I'll go get the 30 claims anyway | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | :D | [16:46] |
| Birdman: | ive much experience noob building as well | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | is there a noob willing to buy all these claims? | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | build them I'd say yes | [16:46] |
| Birdman: | and one thing thats kept constant was within the average of the first 5 claims held true over thousands | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't want to have to collect it all | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, for data points, I'll even buy them off you danielpbarron , lol | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | and THEN report the data like that :))) | [16:47] |
| danielpbarron: | for 10k each? | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | let me first get a noob to build some rf claims and then I'll have some idea if that makes sense for rf | [16:47] |
| Birdman: | i know wyrdmantis is around, my building is higher than desired to see the big numbers you would want | [16:47] |
| danielpbarron: | ok let me know | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | I ran the numbers for cdg | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | only | [16:47] |
| Birdman: | its not that you need to know whats normal for rf | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | yep, wyrd's my noob of choice | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | its just a comparison between each set of 30 | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, for the 10k per claim | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | not for the comparison | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | ah | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | well listen | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | should i make the 30 claims to compare to dans? | [16:48] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | maybe do a low middle and high between the three of us? | [16:48] |
| danielpbarron: | and to diana's | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know, I don't promise I'll buy them if that's what you mean | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | for comparison yes, do them | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i already said, Birdman's claims would test low rank using tool vs high rank using tool | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | since there is a hypothesis that tool used also matters | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | and my claims were all gathered without a tool | [16:49] |
| Birdman: | im pretty certain thats directly effecting only the hit ratios | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | that's one of the reasons why I am quite reluctant to pay 10k on them | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | that's my hypothesis | [16:50] |
| Birdman: | dan just gets alot of undercraft loot from bare handed | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | my 10k figure is based on barehanded claims thoguh | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't know what you consider fair profit there, so that doesn't say much | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | ((180 * 1.2) / (80 * 0.08) ) * (80 * (0.08 +1) | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | hm, something is off there, did i misplace a paren | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | oh | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | duh | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | ((7 * 180 * 1.2) / (80 * 0.08) ) * (80 * (0.08 +2) | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | looks like 17k per small | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | 7k profit | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | that is my hypothesis | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | i should probably charge more even | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll see how demand goes | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, forgot to leave the cft and spoiled the smalls | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | nm, trying again | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | oh, unrelated now fps at 59?? | [16:56] |
| danielpbarron: | oh wait i need to subtract value of threads frmo that | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | earlier it was some puny 10 and now 59 wtf | [16:56] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so like 15.5k per small, 5.5k profit | [16:57] |
| Birdman: | are you underwater diana_coman ? | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | assuming they use my 120 quality threads | [16:57] |
| Birdman: | game gets smooth as hell under water | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | but seeing everything as it were (lower angle) | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | ah, that might be | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | close to 20k per small if they use Mircea's threads | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | so i think 10k is more than fair | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | and these estimates of mine are consistent with actual data i've collected | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | having hired noobs to build hundreds of the things | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | ((7 * 180 * 1.2) -> what is that? | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | the thread? | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | a small bundle | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | use 1.55 instead of 1.2 if using Mircea's threads | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | ((7 * 180 * 1.55) / (80 * 0.08) ) * (80 * (0.08 +3) - (7 * 180 * 1.55 * 1.25) = 19407.9375 | [17:00] |
| Birdman: | wow i hit more often now than ever before | [17:00] |
| Birdman: | at least on the rf | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | also 0.08 is assuming the noob's quality is 8 | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | i think Nidhogg's is 6 | [17:00] |
| Birdman: | just gotta make sure whatever level he is its maxed | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | wow more like 25.7k in his case | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | so he doesnt level up mid building | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | what a difference those two ranks make | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | a huge one | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | .. | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | insane | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | you know how much loot i got more from fghj than wyrdmantis from 3q points | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | from the numbers i just ran, prolly 150\% | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | or um, no 125\%? what is that | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah 125 | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm also getting great hit rates at the moment | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | for those who think time of day (either Eulora day or actual day) matters | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | like 10/25 hit rate on something worth around 150 | [17:04] |
| Birdman: | yeah im hittin like crazy | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | (with tool) | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | my exp and some numbers would suggest that location matters for sure in any case | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | even on same resource | [17:05] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [17:05] |
| Birdman: | welp i have my 30 smalls | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | so danielpbarron you basically assume there that the noob extracts full value of bundle put in the small claim, is that right? | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | oh yeah location defo matters | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | in this sense the value of a small claim depends really on the value of the bundle and nothing else | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | exactly | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | and the type of claim just determines what comes out | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | adjusted for whatever it is worth per unit | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | yes, of course | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | with numbers given by value adjusted for q | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | and the profit is because people are willing to pay way more than they are technically worth | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | that for sure | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | that's the very clear thing in here, lol | [17:07] |
| Birdman: | which also appreciates as mp's level goes up | [17:08] |
| Birdman: | so you're going to buy the claims diana_coman ? | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | as I said earlier, I still want to see some claims (mine) actually built; daniel's calculations have a lot of assumptions | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | which might be fine, but I have no idea on | [17:10] |
| Birdman: | alright, whenever you guys are ready. | [17:11] |
| Birdman: | im pretty interested in this too | [17:11] |
| Birdman: | has anyone tested to see if samovars and toolkits degrade at the start or after a craft? | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | close to start Birdman | [17:15] |
| Birdman: | think my noob worker had been degrading the tools more than needed | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | not at the very very start as it were, or otherwise your toolkit would still decay if you have a worn-out chair for instance | [17:16] |
| Birdman: | right | [17:16] |
| Birdman: | you're his teacher right? | [17:17] |
| Birdman: | he needs work! | [17:17] |
| Birdman: | couple whippings and a few lectures should do the trick | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | talking of variations, here's some stuff: got 2 smalls in the first 57 hits on rf; now at a total of 70 hits on the other hand, I have 8 smalls | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | wyrd never over-decayed the toolkit when he did jobs for me | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno what you have there | [17:18] |
| Birdman: | ive always had very little variance in the amount of claims i found | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | if it's wyrd you mean, lol | [17:18] |
| Birdman: | every tool ended with the same amount | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect you would, yes | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | because of low level | [17:19] |
| Birdman: | or off by one | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | I think that's how it actually works | [17:19] |
| Birdman: | it is him heh | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | higher level -> higher variance | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | fits everything so far | [17:19] |
| Birdman: | really? seems not to be the case with my building | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [17:20] |
| Birdman: | more i leveled my building the less i get, obviously | [17:20] |
| Birdman: | but it seems to be more stable in the amounts i get | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | did you level your gathering too? | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect not | [17:22] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [17:22] |
| Birdman: | my gathering is much higher than building | [17:22] |
| Birdman: | b ut im sure we'll see that is irrelevant in output for claims soon enough | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | ftr my rf small enums are q70 | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: seeing variance on 30 claims is not exactly a thing | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | ennumeration qualiity is the big mystery | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | suspects bouq plays a role there somehow | [17:25] |
| Birdman: | well i can make 500 small if you give me 15 min | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | and just got 20 rf out of a tiny built with a 102 lbn for that matter | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | ennumeations feel like a bouqy thing | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | you mean I get higher q enums because of my rank in bouq? | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | that's my hypothesis | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | anything is surely possible | [17:26] |
| Birdman: | ill test that when i get the bouq books | [17:31] |
| Birdman: | ill be boosting a good 40 levels | [17:31] |
| Birdman: | could use some more necker bps if possible diana_coman | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | I'll check Birdman | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | curious danielpbarron : do you assume the same model for ordinaries and higher? | [17:43] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | yes i do | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | only difference with an ord is the bundle is more tunable | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | so claims are a fixed thing and gathering is a roll of dice as to what kind of claim you get | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | nods | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | hence either 1 lbn value , 7 threads or whatevs the ord takes etc | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | hm, did you get the same value out of cs smalls and barehanded/tool smalls? | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | because that really doesn't add up at all | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> only difference with an ord is the bundle is more tunable <- other than my 3 threads exp on cft as far as I'm aware there wasn't much experimenting re tuning | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | kind of either undercraft or overcraft, both cases to the max | [17:46] |
| danielpbarron: | ideally yeah | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | sometimes you gotta throw in an average quality thing to get it done | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | now I see this, lol: danielpbarron> 30 claims should be enough to calm the variance | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [17:49] |
| danielpbarron: | no? | [17:50] |
| Birdman: | with low building on small it only ever vaired by ten at most, once in ever like 10 claims | [17:50] |
| Birdman: | the rest were the same as the average or one under or over | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i've seen very steady numbers from noobs building my smalls | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | and the average always held true through thousands as the average of the first few i would build | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | like, often the exact same number in each | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | or off by only a few | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | occassionall there is a pop | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | in fact you can be pretty certain the first claim a noob build is gonna show you the average right there | [17:52] |
| Birdman: | i never popped :/ | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | well danielpbarron so that's the thing, the pop | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | that's precisely the thing, lol | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't mean a 0.01 pop | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | there's a whole range of pops | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't have to be 0.01 | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | well whether or not its enough to convince you diana it'd sure clear things up about it for me | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | it's enough to be 1k rf vs 500 rf | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | so go ahead and do it Birdman , what's the trouble | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | waitin on you guys and a noob i guess | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the bigger risk might be the time of day changing | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | that doesnt matter | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | for the building you mean danielpbarron ? | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [17:54] |
| Birdman: | it might for gathering, think i have noticed that | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | or did you get all the 30 smalls in one hour? | [17:54] |
| Birdman: | but ive always had the same outputs night or day | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | well in that case the gathering too since you're trying to test that | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | and no, the claims were collected over a long span of time | [17:54] |
| Birdman: | paying 2mil on those screens is pretty much best case what i can get from shredding | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | which obviously the screens i paid near 200\% on, but they are in very limited supply, so im thinking lbn is gonna have to be more expensive | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | oh wow | [18:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i just hit snakeskin motha muchachos | [18:05] |
| danielpbarron: | suck it | [18:05] |
| Birdman: | congrats | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | congrats danielpbarron | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | I can add then the location to that one, lol | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | if you want | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm the only one you hold out on? | [18:06] |
| Birdman: | lol | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i wasn't going to say where i found it | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | not specifically, lol | [18:06] |
| Birdman: | oop, dan found em, guess everyone can know now | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah wtf | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, lol, ok, will keep it then for now | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | and for that matter, maybe i found uh.. what else is there? | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | all i need to do is say i found it? | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | well i'm not gonna lie, so i guess that works | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | you are the only one looking and otherwise with a decent chance of a hit on it | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | oh dead mollusc | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [18:08] |
| danielpbarron: | i think that's the only other thing you're holding out now | [18:08] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu: i have 209 tea bps at q10, and i'd be willing to do decent discount if you'd want to buy my stock of some of the others | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | actually ss is mining so it's still on my line now huh | [18:08] |
| danielpbarron: | well i'm not gonna focus it so it's still yours to monopolize | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | unless hanbot wants to offer something for it | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | I don't think monopol works in eulora anyway | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | and hanbot has it already I'd suppose (mining) | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | no? | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | i think he means the location | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | she has mining, not knowledge of where snakeskin is | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | I think I actually found ss in at least 2 locations - quite curious if you found a 3rd | [18:10] |
| danielpbarron: | wanna trade secrets? | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I meant mining, yeah | [18:10] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll share first | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | ok let me get the log | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | aaaand got the 30 rf claims, sheesh | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | much longer than on grass | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | 1h20 minutes | [18:18] |
| Birdman: | the struggle | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | and 259 rf 178q in the process | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | but still | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | this reminds me of my idea to buy explore logs; any noobs wanna throw out a number on that? price per line | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | why would noobs want to buy explore logs? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | sell* | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm buying | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | although they should want to buy, why not | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i have a very nice map | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | because resource locations are online on my page and they can easily go from there? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | single points | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe they are looking for shapes and dead spots or something idk | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | they'd need to buy a whole map for that | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | like they could say, i want all log lines in this section of the map | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i can narrow it down to small parts | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | for that matter they are probably even better off getting first an idea from that attempts image I posted on the blog anyway | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i can generate the map for them and sell an image | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | but sure | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | my map, if i'm allowed to toot my own horn here, is beautiful | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i really tweeked the gnuplot script | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, has seen a small example of it | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | I grew fond of my coloured full scale map of resources for sure, lol | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | this could introduce gpg signed non disclosure agreements to Eulora | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | "share this image under penalty of negative rating" | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | auction starting now, ending tomorrow at 21GMT: 500 neckerbocker bps, q7, opening at 40k the lot | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, ^ | [18:28] |
| Birdman: | 40k here | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | 500 neckerbocker bps, q7, 40k heard from Birdman | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | 45k | [18:29] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, publish the script to spread the beauty | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | no wai | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i put some work into that | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | trade secret yo | [18:30] |
| Birdman: | 55k | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | the script is trade secret? lolz | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | 500 neckerbocker bps, q7, 55k heard from Birdman | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | is the base value of that known? i guess i could estimate it | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, the neckerbocker is in my cookbook | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | 10\% of the sum of the ingredients or whatever | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | with base value calculated | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | so yes | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | so like.. 60? | [18:32] |
| Birdman: | 59.8 | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman> I don't think monopol works in eulora anyway << my lumberjack thing worked ok until it didn't lol | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | oh, it works until it doesn't , sure | [18:33] |
| Birdman: | the case for most things heh | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | not sure why you think it stopped working for you | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought you just got a flood of things to craft | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | which keeps flooding, no? | [18:34] |
| Birdman: | well | [18:34] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but that doesn't mean his lumberjackin stopped working | [18:34] |
| Birdman: | if combat is a thing in the future, there could be established monopolies | [18:34] |
| Birdman: | i plan on being a highway man | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | loool | [18:35] |
| Birdman: | me and my guild of miscreants shakin people down | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | is that the kind of thing you want to announce? | [18:35] |
| Birdman: | good point | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | curious if there'll be a way to sorta hide your identity | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, re neckerbocker, trouble is that it wears down the very expensive turning wheel | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | that's why base value atm doesn't add up anyhow | [18:36] |
| danielpbarron: | so you could lead a double life, robbing at night and running a legit business by day | [18:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i just wanted to know the gist of it | [18:36] |
| danielpbarron: | to continue previous thought: until a victim or the local king catches you in the act and disrobes your anon cloak | [18:38] |
| danielpbarron: | "aha it was birdman!" | [18:38] |
| Birdman: | heh | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron well i was making q 200 ; then found the bug and q's dropped. it became less attractive | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> maybe they are looking for shapes and dead spots or something idk <- fwiw this is in fact a very good way to go for finding some resources as once can basically outline their area | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | just as i was getting flooed in craftables, true | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | however, doesn't work for all, of course, most notably so far not for ss, not for pacademia nut | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | <Birdman> me and my guild of miscreants shakin people down << yup this is intended function. | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | though I have a very nicely outlined md area , lol | [18:41] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, what are you looking to pay per line for explore data on specific areas (at 3 points accuracy in most)? | [18:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i hadn't really considered it, um.. i'll have to think | [18:42] |
| danielpbarron: | oh and i found snakeskin where you said so, confirmed :D | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | take your time | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | that's an interesting point as sometimes it won't ...confirm | [18:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i didn't think you faked it, just nice to also see it myself | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | :) | [18:46] |
| Birdman: | so training fees might be corrolated to the amount of competition in that skill line | [19:16] |
| Birdman: | gathering training costs less at a higher level than tinkering | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron: | it's been costing me less and less for gathering | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | as i go higher | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool huh | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | the things i'm low in keep costing more; the things i'm high in keep costing less | [19:18] |
| Birdman: | im interested to see what the 80 tinkering levels and 37 bouq levels will increase my bouq by | [19:25] |
| Birdman: | as i understand it there's not many people too invested in that skill so hopefully i see a good increase | [19:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman you wanted which books priced again ? | [19:44] |
| Birdman: | 1-200 | [19:44] |
| Birdman: | in bouq | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok lessee here | [19:46] |
| Birdman: | bear in mind they can be q7 :p | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/ << lol diana_coman and they can't be clickable ? | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, 200 level stuff take rastrums. | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | that doesn't work in practice. | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you never got nauseous pigment bp ? | [19:49] |
| Birdman: | i gotcha on those, have a few hundred | [19:49] |
| Birdman: | oh, thought you said ever | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman huh ? | [19:50] |
| Birdman: | sorry, thought you were asking if she ever got them, as if you wanted to buy them | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman : 37 to 39 Bird's Nest (Basic Harvestables) 3 to 4 Nondescript Tubers (Basic Harvestables) 5 to 5 Shiny Rock Shards (Ingredients I) 7 to 7 Abandoned Eggs (Mining I) | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman to make books i need 11 rastrums. they're rare/hard to get, makes trhe books expensive as fuck. | [19:51] |
| Birdman: | mm, probably not worth it then huh, considering supplications arent anyones priorities and lbn is pretty much qi at the moment | [19:51] |
| Birdman: | thanks for looking into it | [19:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. prolly not worth it atm | [19:52] |
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