| fghj: | does anyone else gets you cannot explore twice in the same place in a row no matterr when you explore? | [05:39] |
| fghj: | *where | [05:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj : use /unstick | [06:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj : use /unstick | [09:35] |
| fghj: | It fixed itself without unstick | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | aok | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | useful for next time. | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | server down mircea_popescu ? | [10:12] |
| DianaComan: | no, mhm | [10:12] |
| DianaComan: | weird | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | nop | [10:12] |
| DianaComan: | jurov, when you increased your sortage with the books, did you notice any increase in tink q output as a result by any chance? | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't he report 11 pts ? | [10:59] |
| DianaComan: | weren't those on building output ? | [11:01] |
| DianaComan: | <jurov> soo now i have sortage 100 my mining q went to...116 | [11:03] |
| DianaComan: | so building, not tinkering | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [11:03] |
| jurov: | tinkering too about same amount | [11:45] |
| DianaComan: | wow, then really quite good overall | [11:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i have organized my keys and here are some numbers: 2 remarkable grass, 1 remarkable moss, 1 sizeable grass, 5 ordinary berries, 22 ordinary shiny rock, 32 ordinary grass, and the rest I can (and will soon) build so won't bother listing | [16:35] |
| DianaComan: | thanks danielpbarron, that's interesting to know, so 3 remarkables + 1 sizeable | [16:44] |
| DianaComan: | I didn't really count ordinaries for the same reason - as many built already so not really clear anyway how many there were or how to compare | [16:44] |
| danielpbarron: | shudders | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i have keys to 5 ordinary berries and... 15 ennumerations for ordinary berries | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | one of my remarkables might also be gone; gonna check that next | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | sizeable still exists obviously | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | who hasn't seen my pretty little claim with the ball on top? | [16:46] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, do you have 20 of those pss at 1323q? if yes, I'll buy them | [16:48] |
| DianaComan: | hmmm, I think there are still those old claims which were not restored - I also have some missing for sure, of all sorts | [16:49] |
| DianaComan: | but yes, your pretty claim with ball on top is well-known and it was still there, lol | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | oh my missing claims were probably never locked in the first place, collected durring my barehanded without bot phase and lost forever | [16:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i can part with 20 at that price, yes | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | take that all you haters who say my prices are too high | [16:52] |
| DianaComan: | still doesn't really get it why mine barehanded when bot available really | [16:52] |
| DianaComan: | they are, lol | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | huh? I have bot now and i still do it barehanded | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | why use tool? | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | oh you poor not-top-gathering folk and your need for tools | [16:53] |
| DianaComan: | arrgh, I meant why without bot; for some reason in my head barehanded got equivalent to macro use there | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | yes i'm all about the explore bot now | [16:53] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, are you sure you are still top gathering? | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't see how i wouldn't be | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | you and Mircea are the only competition i think, and you guys do a lot of tinkering | [16:54] |
| DianaComan: | well, I have no idea what you've been doing for sure | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm almost always exploring | [16:54] |
| DianaComan: | yes, but on the other hand I did loads of explore too and NOT barehanded | [16:54] |
| DianaComan: | so it's really a question of whether the time still beats the diff due to tools basically | [16:55] |
| DianaComan: | possibly | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | it must | [16:55] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, about 3 min to finish this craft and I'm ready for the pss | [16:55] |
| DianaComan: | how do you reckon that it must? | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i got to the lead barehanded amongst tool users | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | why would i lose the lead when nothing has changed? | [16:56] |
| DianaComan: | hmm, that's not true | [16:56] |
| DianaComan: | but once again, it's quite possible you are still top gathering, true | [16:56] |
| DianaComan: | has NOT bot-mined with cs before for instance as change | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | you mentioned a number not long ago and i'm above that number | [16:57] |
| DianaComan: | kk, good for you | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe hanbot is sneaking up to me | [16:57] |
| DianaComan: | arggh, not sure what this thing is doing, still a bit to go, sorry | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> who hasn't seen my pretty little claim with the ball on top? < :D hehe | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | is a tad jealous. | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> i got to the lead barehanded amongst tool users << interesting. | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean i've used tools too, but not nearly as many as the rest of y'all | [17:04] |
| DianaComan: | essentially danielpbarron got to the lead by gathering exclusively - even if barehanded more often than not, but not even losing the time with building | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, trade | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | accept | [17:06] |
| DianaComan: | thanks | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | yw ty | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh that makes a diff | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | building slows you the fuck down | [17:08] |
| DianaComan: | I suppose the only options to beat non-stop gathering + no build is to either a. do the same but with tools or b. (possibly) explore+build BUT with cs or something similar, maybe | [17:08] |
| DianaComan: | yes, kind of makes it at least double the time basically | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | building really isn't much time barehanded as you don't find nearly as many claims to build per time | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | so i don't think the lack of building is the issue | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, it's the lack of building that got you ahead basically as the rest of people did building | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't think so | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | so you say that nobody else was exploring even half a day every day basically not even considering the diff by tools | [17:10] |
| danielpbarron: | you guys just tinker a lot that's all | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think this is a fair assessment. when i did non stop mining it showed, but then again that was 3 weeks | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | I doubt that given that I was exploring at that time at least all nights really + significant parts of the day | [17:10] |
| danielpbarron: | there's more money to make in being top tinkerer anyway so don't feel too bad about it | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | altogether i wouldf say i spent 20\% of my time mining if that | [17:11] |
| DianaComan: | now yes danielpbarron ; but not so much back in the day when you actually got the lead | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | by some very crude math i estimate i can extract about a bitcoin per year out of nothing just bare handed gathering | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | but a top tinkerer could make 10 per year easy | [17:12] |
| DianaComan: | well, that'll die out when you really die anyway | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends on many things. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | tinkerer depends on bps, on source materials etc | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | barehand miner depends on nothing | [17:18] |
| DianaComan: | except that when death is permanent, barehand mining doesn't last long | [17:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i need bits of nothing actually | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i think barehanded will always be a thing | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | recalls something about s.mg making money off of selling drinks | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | oh, like with potions or what? | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | possibly | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i think this is how money slowly enters Eulora economy | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | potion drinking barehanded gatherers | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically it'll just cost enough to make it fair, nothing extractive i dun think. | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | what's your hit rate now danielpbarron ? | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | barehanded, obv | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know exactly | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | and it depends on what i'm trying to get | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | can calc based on logs though | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, that makes it dependent then on potions too | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | hit rate is high enough to have a batch of smalls ready for a noob whenever i can find one | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | and that's fun, seeing 10s of ks of some resource come into existence for only the cost of threads | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | my remarkables are still there | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | all done; now i can actually store keys for short term | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | till now i'd have to keep in my inventory any key i thought i might use in the next week | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe it's risky but i had to do it; i consolidated like keys into claims so that i only need 1 key for each kind | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | working with locked claims is like diffusing a bomb | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ | [17:30] |
| DianaComan: | finally, got the bot to leave stuff in last claim if overweight and then to just keep going; hooray | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.o | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb | [17:52] |
| DianaComan: | obviously, still not yet a solution to allow boulder-mining the whole night | [17:53] |
| DianaComan: | but on the way there | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | o btw, bottles ? | [17:53] |
| DianaComan: | I got nidhogg to work on the rest seeing how Wyrd is still ill apparently | [17:53] |
| DianaComan: | he's working on them; are you running out ? | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | will be back in a few hours | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | if not tomorro | [17:54] |
| DianaComan: | ok, hopefully he's done by tomorrow | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | why would anyone need to gather boulders overnight; still a nice feature though | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | flotsam i can see | [17:55] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, what do you mean? I burnt loads of boulders and the boulder ord takes TWO slithy toves | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | what quality? | [18:00] |
| DianaComan: | high q, lol | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | ah | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2k io = 4k boulders. | [18:00] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, atm I was particularly annoyed with boulders hence my naming them; but yes, it is meant for all sorts of heavy (and even not so heavy stuff) | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but who's overcrafting oil?? | [18:01] |
| DianaComan: | + foxy is not as strong as you, lol | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | more tool problems really; even if i targeted flotsam overnight i don't think i'd find the 200 it would take to overload me | [18:01] |
| DianaComan: | well, I see it (the fact I get enough to need to do something about it) as a positive rather than a negative thing, what can I see | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but where are these high quality flasks coming from? | [18:02] |
| DianaComan: | my own making but pre-nerfing, lol | [18:02] |
| DianaComan: | high q in eulora is a really a matter of fashion so far: one just needs to wait long enough and things just turn around, lol | [18:04] |
| danielpbarron: | eh i prefer not to depend on things that no longer can be made | [18:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm now in the habit of just mixing all the things to stretch out the high quality stuff from pre-nerf | [18:05] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, fwiw, wpl is ALSO heavy, sg is also heavy etc | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | defo a nice feature for the bot; i'm just trying to picture what a mess it would be to deal with an inventory full of keys to locked boulder tinies | [18:07] |
| DianaComan: | heh, that's why I said that it is not yet there | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | even with my high carrying capacity (i can hold 48) | [18:07] |
| DianaComan: | because that's not my idea of something usable | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao fashion | [18:07] |
| danielpbarron: | oh also my gathering map has a hit on almost every multiple of 100 /pos | [18:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | there are a couple that are on too steep a hill | [18:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | that's only 81 spots so not that impressive, except i did it barehanded and most of them aren't basics | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | if i leave the bot going on a tight spot i can expect to find something in a few hours | [18:17] |
| DianaComan: | I'm getting curious as to what hit rates foxy'd have bare handed seeing how she clearly still gets stuff barehanded too indeed - just seems like a waste now though to do that | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm starting to believe that resources are not in discrete locations but rather there are fields of probability | [18:18] |
| DianaComan: | ^ | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | there are boulder ordinaries in spots that i can't hit boulders anymore | [18:19] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, not that | [18:19] |
| DianaComan: | that might be from the very beginning | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | yes they are | [18:19] |
| DianaComan: | when the resources were clearly in other places | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't think they were | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | our low ranks just dealt with the probability field differently | [18:19] |
| DianaComan: | but rather my reason for suspecting something similar is the fact that I hit DIFFERENT things on the very same exact spot | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | yes, i think you can find all the resources in a single spot on a long enough timeline | [18:20] |
| DianaComan: | what do you hit in those former-boulder spots? | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | pss i think | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | or leather | [18:21] |
| DianaComan: | but consider this: I found snakeskin and mollusc and the like - got some low gathering rank to mine there and IF they found anything, it was precisely that, nothing else | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | those are my boulder ords btw, just checked 'em today | [18:22] |
| DianaComan: | so not sure about the idea that the low gathering rank was responsible for finding boulders rather than pss | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | not just one player having low rank; ~all~ players having low rank | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | the highest gatherer was under 100 or whatever | [18:23] |
| DianaComan: | hm | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | how much would i have to pay for explore log lines? is there a per line price? grep for specific things? | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | or similarly, anyone looking to buy explore log lines from me? | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha meta game ftw | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean i get that there are a couple unreleased locations; i'm more interested in filling out my basics | [18:25] |
| DianaComan: | hmmm, gotta think that through really; there is the thing that filling out the basics IS part of finding the rares for sure | [18:26] |
| DianaComan: | can't be any other way really | [18:27] |
| DianaComan: | most of the map is basics after all, lol | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | well i mostly target basics so i'll fill it out eventually | [18:27] |
| DianaComan: | of course | [18:27] |
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