| Birdman: | mircea_popescu i have 114 ppb for sale at q35; grass for sale 7213 @ q48 10088 @ q49 and 7780 @ q50 | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | and for the record i have stacks of grass slightly above q200 that are on the market | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan i'll buy those toolkits whenever, gonna pass on the bps | [04:21] |
| DianaComan: | ok Birdman , 1 min to take out | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | still no cs to be bought? | [04:22] |
| DianaComan: | mhmmmm on cs I guess I'll have to auction them or something as tbh I need about a ton of them too and it seems that everyone else wants them too | [04:23] |
| DianaComan: | but otherwise st still not found etc | [04:23] |
| Birdman: | no sweat | [04:24] |
| DianaComan: | what do you want for that grass at 49q? | [04:24] |
| Birdman: | anything more than mp's willing to pay | [04:24] |
| Birdman: | guess that means 61.3 per | [04:25] |
| DianaComan: | not that desperate, lol | [04:25] |
| Birdman: | kk | [04:25] |
| Birdman: | I like the new pricing system he has, turns out my leveling up wasnt a complete waste | [04:26] |
| Birdman: | noob mining is still better though | [04:26] |
| DianaComan: | so 9 toolkits 2 uses each Birdman at 6k each, right? | [04:26] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [04:27] |
| Birdman: | thank you | [04:28] |
| DianaComan: | enjoy | [04:28] |
| Birdman: | do you have any tools at all? | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | well, gathering tools | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | I'd also buy flotsam and shiny rocks | [04:45] |
| Birdman: | pretty much the only thing holding me back to making my own tools atm | [04:46] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, as per shop I sell hoes, yes | [05:01] |
| DianaComan: | but really, making your own tools is a terrible idea pretty much | [05:01] |
| DianaComan: | what q do you tinker? or mcguyver? | [05:02] |
| Birdman: | Its not, but i'll take 50 of them | [05:02] |
| DianaComan: | you'll prolly make a quarter of a tool worth or what? | [05:02] |
| Birdman: | i tinker 38 | [05:02] |
| Birdman: | i get more than enough uses out of it to make it profitable | [05:02] |
| DianaComan: | so then, you'll get the hoes at about 3800q meaning you are wasting there resources no end | [05:02] |
| Birdman: | heh, considering i lost 170 shaped slags i guess making them myself went tits up last time i guess it was a loss | [05:03] |
| Birdman: | define wasting | [05:03] |
| Birdman: | the tools i make got me more value than i put into making them | [05:03] |
| DianaComan: | well, trouble is a lack of resources: rather than giving scarce resources to you to make shitty tools out of them, I'll make tools 4 times that q out of which you also get more uses hence more value I suppose | [05:03] |
| Birdman: | considering bps and the great small only hit rate | [05:04] |
| Birdman: | yeah but they're also the best to level tinkering with afaik | [05:04] |
| DianaComan: | yes, just that as long as resources are scarce, don't know who will channel them to you for that; for bps only maybe | [05:04] |
| Birdman: | yeah i guess that is to be seen aye | [05:04] |
| Birdman: | but in all honesty i'd much rather buy them right now | [05:05] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, 4 minutes to finish craft and you can get your hoes | [05:05] |
| Birdman: | seems there are a million bottle necks right now | [05:05] |
| DianaComan: | oh, basic hoes, right? or do you want imp ones? | [05:05] |
| Birdman: | eh basics are preffered | [05:05] |
| DianaComan: | yes, basically stemming from too few people still | [05:05] |
| DianaComan: | kk | [05:05] |
| Birdman: | dont really get different results from imps | [05:05] |
| DianaComan: | did you shred in the end? or are you shredding or are you still missing something there? | [05:05] |
| Birdman: | i shredded some, very anticlimactic | [05:06] |
| DianaComan: | how's that? | [05:06] |
| DianaComan: | or what were you expecting? | [05:06] |
| Birdman: | not great loot or exp | [05:06] |
| Birdman: | well with the over craft i put into it i thought the results would be a bit better | [05:06] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, did you shred enough to get some "longer" loot ie a pop (even if not 0.001 btc ) | [05:07] |
| Birdman: | my guy sucks at loot-getting | [05:07] |
| DianaComan: | you think there is some skill for that? lol | [05:07] |
| Birdman: | i think im just an unlucky sob | [05:07] |
| Birdman: | there were some decent loots, nothin crazy but im low on the food bps so that's halted | [05:08] |
| Birdman: | not to mention i need clogs | [05:08] |
| DianaComan: | I can sell you some clogs I just made , that won't be a problem | [05:08] |
| Birdman: | and i wanted to put off bouq until i can afford mp's books and boost my tinkering | [05:08] |
| Birdman: | seems to be a crazy expensive skill line right now, so i have to go about it the right way | [05:09] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, trade | [05:09] |
| Birdman: | how much per hoe? | [05:09] |
| DianaComan: | as per shop, 15k each | [05:10] |
| DianaComan: | 750k the lot | [05:10] |
| DianaComan: | they are still spirover's hoes, hence the price | [05:10] |
| Birdman: | want to just do 30 for now? | [05:10] |
| DianaComan: | ok, but please next time make up your mind upfront since all info was available anyway | [05:11] |
| DianaComan: | thanks | [05:11] |
| Birdman: | thanks, and my bad | [05:11] |
| Birdman: | i just wasnt aware i had such little ecu | [05:11] |
| Birdman: | embarrassing | [05:11] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan do you have any bouq bps that show a base value? | [05:19] |
| DianaComan: | probably, no idea; but why don't you just look at the value of the item in the cookbook and calc value of bp as 10\% of that | [05:19] |
| Birdman: | Are you certain that is universal? | [05:20] |
| DianaComan: | there's no certainty one can have on that since there will always be new bps, but I never seen it contradicted so far and I checked | [05:21] |
| Birdman: | alright cool | [05:22] |
| Birdman: | found that on dan's eulorum page so take it for what its worth | [05:26] |
| DianaComan: | hm, weird stuff; curious if it can even be due to rounding at steps; will check that at some point directly with heina as it were | [05:28] |
| DianaComan: | the values in the cookbook are calculated based on ingredients basically | [05:29] |
| DianaComan: | my understanding is that that's how the base values are actually calculated in the game; any mismatch is interesting anyway | [05:29] |
| DianaComan: | but looky here in the cookbook: supp of myst rocks is 25297 | [05:30] |
| DianaComan: | so not sure what are you on about? | [05:30] |
| DianaComan: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Supplication-of-Mysterious-Rocks.html | [05:30] |
| DianaComan: | it matches perfectly | [05:30] |
| DianaComan: | the draft is 10\% of that, 2529 | [05:31] |
| DianaComan: | what's the problem? | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | i was just going by what it said on eulorum | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | http://www.eulorum.org/User_talk:Danielpbarron | [05:31] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: User talk:Danielpbarron - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [05:31] |
| DianaComan: | so dunno that, ask danielpbarron I suppose | [05:32] |
| DianaComan: | tbh I think that if the game shows the supp of rocks at 26628 then it's prolly a mistake there rather | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | welp looks like mining rares isnt profitable anymore, gonna stick to grass | [06:04] |
| DianaComan: | arrrgh, I start suspecting that crystalspace's timer is in fact totally unreliable | [06:23] |
| DianaComan: | which means that a). I'll have to look into a more reliable timer implementation b). eulora's client will probably have no end of trouble due to it anyway | [06:24] |
| Birdman: | thinking ill need improved tools to get the difficult enumerations like pss eventually | [06:46] |
| Birdman: | the more i think about these numbers the crappier its starting to look for mining myself, i dont think i can turn a profit anymore. | [06:52] |
| Birdman: | costs me about 3k per small claim to be found and built, and thats about what im getting out of it | [06:53] |
| Birdman: | for grass at least which has proven to be the best | [06:53] |
| DianaComan: | don't you get better hit rates with imps? | [06:54] |
| Birdman: | no | [06:55] |
| Birdman: | not on grass which is where i tested it in the past | [06:55] |
| Birdman: | i suspect i will with the harder things | [06:55] |
| DianaComan: | weird | [06:55] |
| Birdman: | or normal | [06:55] |
| Birdman: | no one knows! | [06:55] |
| Birdman: | I think i can still turn a profit on certain ords but there's a shortage of cs | [06:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ;;later tell birdman i'll buy that grass. | [08:00] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: should i plan for some slag crafting today? | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov i got 500 oils together, that sound good ? also got your books made | [08:07] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu, any cft for sale soon? | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan not got the grass from birdman yet. | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks like 300 oils overnight, so im looking at 2-3 days to digest this, also. | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, will also be selling almost wine this week, who wanted it ? | [08:14] |
| DianaComan: | prolly daniel and birdman | [08:15] |
| DianaComan: | or maybe hanbot too? | [08:15] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: sounds good, what about slag? should buy elsewhere? | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah ima feed you 2.5k too. | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | meet in town ? | [08:16] |
| jurov: | there | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | now jurov | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2500 * 1.5 * 677 * 1.25 + 500 * 1.54 * 5439 * 1.25 = 8408475 | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 100 flat, 200 sharp and pointy please. | [08:22] |
| jurov: | ok | [08:24] |
| jurov: | books later? | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah no lemme fish those too | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | damn\ | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | doing way too many things at once | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov readyt | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | grrr | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 more | [08:25] |
| jurov: | ? | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2.6mn neh ? | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios. | [08:27] |
| jurov: | i see, thanks very much | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | nono, thank you | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | getting my finances back into some sort of shape after the pillage DianaComan administered to me yest :D | [08:27] |
| DianaComan: | ahahaha mircea_popescu | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway : out of jurov's batch i will be producing samovars. | [08:28] |
| DianaComan: | aha, goody | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i need a bunch to make aw, but i'm making more so i think i'll auction a chunk here towars the end of the week. | [08:29] |
| DianaComan: | yay | [08:29] |
| DianaComan: | quite curious what bump that gives to mcguyver too | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | mine you mean ? | [08:29] |
| DianaComan: | yes, of course, since you make them | [08:29] |
| DianaComan: | though diff atm is not that huge between us re mcguyver | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | the 140 csw did way more for it, seeing how i crafted at 250 | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | this dozen samovars won't prolly do as much, seeing how jurov's q is what, 50s ? | [08:30] |
| DianaComan: | did you get to 400 yet? | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | 140 * 2.5 * 14 / (90 * 12 * .5) = 9 lol | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah. | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | only got like 5-6 levels. | [08:31] |
| DianaComan: | so like 375 max and q what, still 142? | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well in the end i didn't look at individual product at batch end. could be 143 i ugess | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | we'll see on samovars anyway. | [08:31] |
| DianaComan: | I'm curious since I get 126 now | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i expect them to come out just around 50 clicks' worth each. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | which means ima burn like 3, keep a coupla, sell maybe 6 ? | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news i finally burned all that leather i bought off you illo tempore | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 180 and shit. | [08:33] |
| DianaComan: | such sad, sad situation - 6 samovars | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that sad ?! | [08:33] |
| DianaComan: | aha, 195 some of it at least | [08:33] |
| DianaComan: | only 6? | [08:33] |
| DianaComan: | yes, it's sad, lol | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | da fuck do you mean only lol. | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | who even had 6 to rub together before! | [08:33] |
| DianaComan: | what? didn't I make and then didn't I sell you what was it, 50? | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought samovars were an onsies twosies sorta deal | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ? | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i forget. | [08:34] |
| DianaComan: | bah, all that goop making | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well in fairness, it's either samovars or mining tools. so we do a little o this, a little o that... | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | enough in that batch for 100 toolkits, give or take. | [08:35] |
| DianaComan: | yes, partially that's why I am trying to catch up a bit on toolmaking so that I can do at least the tools and hopefully make the whole thing a bit less congested | [08:36] |
| jurov: | soo now i have sortage 100 my mining q went to...116 | [08:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | frrom ? | [08:40] |
| jurov: | from 105 | [08:40] |
| jurov: | and sortage was 76 then | [08:41] |
| DianaComan: | so 11 q points for 24 ranks; do you think that's bad, jurov ? | [08:42] |
| jurov: | expected a bit more, but at least something | [08:47] |
| jurov: | i forgot to specify the timeout for bot, now it keeps putting the bundle out from the table (I remmeber it waited patiently before) | [08:48] |
| jurov: | the fcos comes out q 92 | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, you're tinkering at 92 ? that's not so terribru. | [08:50] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan you need some cft? | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu im around whenever | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman now works. | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | you interested in those ppb i have? | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | jus the grass, got tons of ppb. | [09:54] |
| Birdman: | kk | [09:54] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, only high q (>150) and not at some huge markup (more planning as I know my usage rather than being out of it right now) | [09:56] |
| Birdman: | kk | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman you can put all the stacks in there, they won't mix | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | as long as none add to < 9999 | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's it ? | [09:58] |
| Birdman: | do you see a stack of ~ 1.5k on your screen? | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see 2x8 4 and 7 | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | ah | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | then i have another 1.5k | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | just says i cant move it | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | though it will mix so ill give it to you after | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | oddly one stack says 8k but if i click it it says 9917 | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | same | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh ok, lemme see ehre. | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | says i cant move the 1.5k stack either | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | maybe it dropped on to it | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | odd. | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | we see what happens here. | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | so : | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | it did | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | that 8k was supposed to be q 50 | [10:00] |
| Birdman: | went down to 49 | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. | [10:01] |
| Birdman: | just accept and see what happens | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, i'll indemnify you. take the 8k back in inv and put it back in trade. | [10:01] |
| Birdman: | there we go | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | (4227 + 8444 + 9917 + 7213) * 60 * (.51 + 1.03/2) = 1832761.5 | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | i counted the lot at q 51 :p | [10:02] |
| Birdman: | woo! | [10:02] |
| Birdman: | sounds good to me | [10:02] |
| Birdman: | tyvm | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | so hanbot and who else wanted - i'll have some cft after the oil\'s done | [10:03] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> btw, will also be selling almost wine this week, who wanted it ? << ME! | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool how much you want ? | [10:03] |
| Birdman: | anyone have congressional pulps for sale? | [10:06] |
| Birdman: | ah nevermind, i should be undercrafting those | [10:07] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, all of it | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman nah, they go into cooking, only useful high q | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron o.O | [10:09] |
| Birdman: | skill books | [10:10] |
| Birdman: | well, the to 100 tinkering skill book | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [10:10] |
| Birdman: | so best case i make my own and get bp loot for shredding and can use the low q pulp | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... i guess i can make some a little later depending on the samovar situation. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | this makes sense huh. | [10:10] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, I have 120 congressional pulps at 103q | [11:44] |
| DianaComan: | I'll want 127\% on them | [11:45] |
| danielpbarron: | blueprints? | [11:56] |
| DianaComan: | actual items, thought that's what he was asking for | [13:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone else wanna do some shaped slag work ? | [17:15] |
| danielpbarron: | i do | [17:15] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, ^ | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q do you tinker at danielpbarron ? | [17:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i wouldn't be the one making them | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | quality would be about 5 or something | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, well... how manyt do you want and when do you want 'em ? | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | how many you got and right now | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | right now like 280. will want them 80/120/80 | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | f/s/p | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | all of them | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll take it all | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | you mean you'll sell me oil and slag to make 280 shaped right? | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. digging slag out nao | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron trade me plox | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 280 * 1.54 * 5439 * 1.25 + 1400 * 677 * 1.5 * 1.25 = 4708746 | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | when do you figure it's done ? | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | pretty soon | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | within a week for sure | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | after you finish it you can have moar i imagine. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol check out the exact change deal. win. | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty n good luck | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | np | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | Mon Jan 18 21:10:04 2016, ,445.09,0.00,46.06,Ordinary Rotten Fruit Exploration Marker ,0 | [21:03] |
| danielpbarron: | :D | [21:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ? | [21:08] |
| danielpbarron: | look ma, no tool! | [21:08] |
| danielpbarron: | 3rd recorded ordinary gathered without a tool since i started using foxybot | [21:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd! | [21:10] |
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