| Birdman: | could use high q sb and flotsam too | [00:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i have 182 quality sb and 267 quality flotsam | [00:18] |
| Birdman: | your prices for flotsam are outrageous | [00:21] |
| Marti__: | lo 267 ,,,, | [00:23] |
| Birdman: | what do head chair bps go for anyways? | [00:23] |
| danielpbarron: | most of my prices are outrageous sure | [00:23] |
| danielpbarron: | a couple things are priced to move | [00:24] |
| danielpbarron: | I'd pay at least 500 for chair bps | [00:25] |
| Birdman: | im not sure if its me being un?lucky only looting chair bps from over crafting them | [00:25] |
| Birdman: | but the exp and loot sucks for the value put in | [00:25] |
| danielpbarron: | Marti__> lo 267 ,,,, << the result of mixing my own stuff of varying quality with the mega high quality imported stuff from Electron | [00:28] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron do you have bark shavings? | [00:29] |
| Birdman: | if im not mistaken there's a need for low q ltf and those can be made fairly cheaply on my end | [00:29] |
| Birdman: | shavings are all i need | [00:29] |
| Marti__: | ahhh | [00:30] |
| Marti__: | seems this will work, eventually ;) | [00:32] |
| Marti_: | :) | [00:33] |
| danielpbarron: | well i'd buy low q ltf but that's not the issue really | [00:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i have lots of those blueprints as it is | [00:36] |
| Marti__: | call | [00:40] |
| Birdman: | im sure it spits out quite a few different bps, but really i just need something to do until all these bottlenecks ease up | [00:41] |
| Birdman: | and boosting tinkering is part of my master plan | [00:41] |
| Birdman: | successfully used a tinkering book btw | [00:41] |
| danielpbarron: | wait so even if my binary didn't change between recompiling, it still didn't work with my changes when i started from scratch | [00:51] |
| danielpbarron: | what's up with that | [00:51] |
| Marti__: | too much mindfullness even | [01:02] |
| danielpbarron: | lol wow i think i figured it all out | [01:03] |
| danielpbarron: | bwahahaha | [01:05] |
| danielpbarron: | the "foxybot" directory is supposed to be in "src/client" | [01:05] |
| danielpbarron: | gotta redo it from scratch again apparently | [01:11] |
| Marti__: | hmmm | [01:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess i was using an older version of foxybot with the newer one stapled to the wrong end | [01:13] |
| danielpbarron: | and editing the newer one's files | [01:13] |
| danielpbarron: | loading up new and improved euclient | [01:49] |
| danielpbarron: | annnnd it works | [01:53] |
| danielpbarron: | locking tinies confirmed | [01:53] |
| danielpbarron: | (which probably means smalls will also lock) | [01:53] |
| danielpbarron: | the grid thing doesn't seem to work | [02:01] |
| danielpbarron: | size defines the width but my character never moves backwards | [02:01] |
| danielpbarron: | ooo just found and locked a small | [02:01] |
| danielpbarron: | has anyone ever tried to use grid mode? | [02:24] |
| danielpbarron: | looking at the code, I don't see that it was even meant to move backwards | [02:24] |
| danielpbarron: | tries his hand at an uncoached client modification | [02:28] |
| danielpbarron: | and on my first attempt it works even better than i had planned | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | ha, well done danielpbarron | [04:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i was aiming for the starting position to be the bottom left corner of the grid | [04:13] |
| danielpbarron: | instead the starting position is in the middle of the left side | [04:14] |
| danielpbarron: | so now i wanna go back in and fix the side-to-side so that the player is in the center of whatever size grid | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | are you using the grid strategy? | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | or you made your own? | [04:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i modified yours | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | aha, well done | [04:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i see that it cannot hold states and must figure out its position in the grid strictly by the number of steps taken so far | [04:14] |
| danielpbarron: | here is the magic line that does most the work: | [04:15] |
| danielpbarron: | if1 * size)) <2 | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I did not see a good enough reason to mix the rest in what is meant as a moving strategy | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | though it can be done if you prefer it that way for sure | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | nothing stops you from adding to the strategy class more variables in which you store whatever it is you need | [04:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i changed it to what i expected it to do | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | good | [04:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess it could get renamed to some other option | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | personally I don't see the difference as such between starting in the middle of a grid or in a corner | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | but each to their own really | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | don't see any problem starting in the middle either | [04:17] |
| danielpbarron: | well wait | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | iirc I made it to start in a corner and move to the side and then forwards and back and so on | [04:18] |
| danielpbarron: | yes yours just goes forward forever | [04:18] |
| danielpbarron: | it never comes back around to the start | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | not forever, lol | [04:18] |
| danielpbarron: | well until it reaches whatever you put as the steps | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you want to repeat you mean | [04:18] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah, "line" means it goes back and forth over a line | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | ah, yes, that's a different thing, the "repeat" | [04:18] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought "grid" would be back and forth and side to side over a square | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I traded the back and forth for a rectangle rather than strictly square | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [04:19] |
| danielpbarron: | rectangle would be fine but i didn't want to mess with adding parameters | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | that's why it's there: to change it in any way you want it really | [04:20] |
| danielpbarron: | plus any use case i can think of that would call for a rectangle would work just as well with a line | [04:20] |
| danielpbarron: | whereas any use case i wanted the grid for does not need to be a rectangle | [04:20] |
| danielpbarron: | grid is for the smaller spots i think | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman: I have 29 beetle brews at 110q going for 8.5k each | [04:25] |
| diana_coman: | btw danielpbarron the issue with grid is that those side steps tend to be rather small for some reason so in cases of uphill position and the like it's quite often that it ends up protesting that you can't explore in the same place | [04:25] |
| diana_coman: | one way to address that would be to increase the delay so that it basically moves for a longer time really | [04:26] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, i'll buy em | [04:26] |
| diana_coman: | (movement is handled by euclient as : start moving and after a while stop; not really steps as such) | [04:26] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, ok | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | come to town then to get them | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'll make some ecv seeing how I got everything for it anyway | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | but are you going to do anything with them or just stocking up? | [04:28] |
| diana_coman: | you already have brews, right | [04:28] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [04:28] |
| danielpbarron: | buying to use/resell | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you have any worn-out adzes? | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | using would be better really | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | guess I'll auction next batch if I get to make one | [04:30] |
| danielpbarron: | if i have any it's not many | [04:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i mostly used hoes and i sold most of those to Mircea | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I have loads of hoes, it's adzes I don't have because they are usually crap for me | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, would you be interested in some bird's nest and gin too? | [04:32] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [04:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i really want wine though | [04:34] |
| danielpbarron: | if we're talking about stuff i'd use right away | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I might auction my huge q wine then, let me think that through | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, I'll start a run of making wineskins for wine, that's perfectly doable | [04:35] |
| danielpbarron: | for anyone else thinking of modifying code on this, yes you can recompile euclient while it's running | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | of course you can | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | but you need to restart it to see the differences anyway | [04:37] |
| Birdman: | seems i picked a great time to go! dan bought everything i wanted lol | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | lol Birdman it's ok, I'll make another batch of those brews | [05:13] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, do you have any worn-out adzes? | [05:13] |
| Birdman: | do you have bark shavings by chance? | [05:13] |
| diana_coman: | or can you get any? | [05:13] |
| Birdman: | if you get me some sharp slags then yes | [05:13] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [05:14] |
| Birdman: | it sounds funny i know, but me making them myself is actually pretty profitable | [05:14] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, I don't mind it at all, but you know, if I had sharp slags, I'd make the adzes myself - it's actually quite a waste to give them to you to make as you'd make low q tools | [05:15] |
| Birdman: | ah thats how you were looking at it | [05:16] |
| Birdman: | i suppose i cant help ya there then | [05:16] |
| diana_coman: | for ibs: get me low q shiny rock | [05:16] |
| Birdman: | i have a bunch of worn picks and hoes | [05:16] |
| diana_coman: | what ibs I have I bought under contract to deliver ltf, so can't really sell it now | [05:17] |
| Birdman: | i understand | [05:17] |
| danielpbarron: | alright center of grid is not as easy as i thought; it got it to start at bottom left though | [05:17] |
| diana_coman: | so Birdman danielpbarron 20 bird's nest and gin at 195q, going for 755k the lot seeing how I really can't replace it | [05:20] |
| Birdman: | whats the bv on that stuff | [05:21] |
| Birdman: | or what \% over am i paying | [05:21] |
| diana_coman: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Birds-Nest-and-Gin.html | [05:21] |
| diana_coman: | really Birdman , it's all in there, lol | [05:21] |
| Birdman: | ahh i guess im down with that | [05:22] |
| Birdman: | are you around now? | [05:24] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [05:24] |
| danielpbarron: | heh | [05:24] |
| Birdman: | hopefull the ecv gives me some bad ass loot | [05:24] |
| diana_coman: | it will likely give you tons : ecv + supps bps at least | [05:25] |
| diana_coman: | 1 min to finish craft | [05:25] |
| Birdman: | kk | [05:25] |
| Birdman: | tyvm | [05:26] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy! | [05:26] |
| Birdman: | ehh dont suppose you have some decent q wpl on hand? | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | I must have | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | 1 min | [05:27] |
| danielpbarron: | wait, did foxy just pop before i relogged? | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, did I? | [05:27] |
| danielpbarron: | pretty sure i see a new message | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | maybe as I was doing a huge overcraft thing | [05:27] |
| danielpbarron: | 0.01 worth | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | sigh, my usual "pop" | [05:28] |
| danielpbarron: | says it happened at 4:57 | [05:28] |
| Birdman: | hah! i'd be lucky to have one, dont complain ;) | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, you'll have one with that bird's nest and gin | [05:28] |
| Birdman: | you think so? i've dont some pretty intense over crafts | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | at 195 q vs what q do you get? | [05:29] |
| Birdman: | ~ 40 | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | aham, so that pop of mine earlier was on 195q bundle vs 103 output so... | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | how much wpl and what q do you want? | [05:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i will now demonstrate grid gathering in town | [05:30] |
| Birdman: | i was under the impression a pop was a luck sort of thing, not just any time you loot .01 or more from an over craft | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | he he, well done danielpbarron | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | a pop is when you loot 0.01 OR MORE | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | but in my case 0.01 it seems :))) | [05:30] |
| danielpbarron: | this is a 4 x 4 grid | [05:30] |
| Birdman: | so its not a random luck thing | [05:30] |
| Birdman: | 460 wpl at highest q you have i guess | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, you will not get that all the time, but the chances are really much much improved with that kind of difference between bundle and output | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | 134q is what I am willing to part with at this moment | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | ill take it | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | usual 125\% | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [05:31] |
| danielpbarron: | hahahah see my guy moved backwards! | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | sup with that rockpile in town? | [05:32] |
| danielpbarron: | that is mine! | [05:32] |
| danielpbarron: | on a related note, don't drop your rockpile | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | odd place to put your house | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | heh cant pick it back up? | [05:32] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | makes sense i guess | [05:32] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, trade | [05:33] |
| danielpbarron: | at least i did it in town where everyone gets to see my work | [05:33] |
| diana_coman: | 117k Birdman | [05:33] |
| diana_coman: | 460*1.34*1.25*152 | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | awww common Birdman I just gave you loads of change | [05:34] |
| Birdman: | ill break a coin :p sorry | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | good luck | [05:37] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [05:37] |
| Birdman: | so the loot adjusts to quality right? so my pop would yield more numerically than yours | [05:38] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [05:40] |
| Birdman: | nice | [05:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo... anyone needed goop ? | [07:57] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, do you still have cft for sale? I think I missed it when you finished the grass pile | [08:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. nope, it went | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | all of it? omg | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | sigh | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently it's in high demand. didn't you get a bunch right before ? | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | quite some time before and most of it goes into the flasks for you anyway | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | well a coupla days, you got about half of the production | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah i see. | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | speaking of which, I have 600 of them done by wyrd, do you want those or prefer to wait for the whole batch? | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd rather wait, i am atm making ~20k goops | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks like it's gonna take a week | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | ah, going through all that cr and rf from me? | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah, had a nice stash of low sm from before was just waiting for this | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, q 154 nao | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I thought so; iirc it was daniel's huge load of sm | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | wow, well done | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | I'm still stuck at 118, lol | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | but anyway, my focus is not on tinkering | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i think it was his | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, my plan is now to finish this, that's ~10mn in base value, then do the oil (2k bottles that i have + 2.75k that you deliver =) another 25 or so mn base value | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | in other news: a whole night of consistently hitting only points where previously I missed or those I did not explore at all resulted in 300 new points covered | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then i have some ft and cs to do. | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and after that we see, but i think 40mn+ is easily 3 weeks of clicks | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno, by the end of this year, I might have the whole map covered or something :))) | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman is this with picks ? | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and did you use picks before ? | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | yes, usually they worked well for me | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe another does it with hoes or w/e. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | could be | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, so you needed goop ? | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | due to electron's stash of hoes, the hoe-exploring is clearly over-represented | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I think I'll take some 2k of it only | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | I've supplied wyrd with my own for the flasks anyway | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | at your leisure. | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | 1 min to finish craft | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2000 * 470 * 1.54 * 1.25 =1809500 | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | do you have change? | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | all i got. | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 50k next time ? | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I'll get to bank, 1 min | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had just trained. | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's like... i dunno 40 coins by now ? | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | that good? | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup. | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | 29 is all I have, lol | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's very satisfying to see all these piles from the storage digested away | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | on my side it's really surprisingly satisfying to see some new area on the map covered | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | but now it's less spectacular when I fill in one point here and one there :P | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | what had you done, is it half by now ? | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | poor foxy's been jumping around like a mad rabbit | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | more like a third ? | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | kind of inching on a third I'd say | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | it's a bit hard to say because some points are outside in the sense of warping over | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | and it's even hard to catch that exactly | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | ah, sorry, I meant inching on a third left; half is clearly done as per numbers some time ago | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow that's what i took it to mean. | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | good to know; somehow only afterwards I realised it possibly didn't mean that | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | it plainly didn't, in retrospect, but hey :D | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bitch of all time is... im currently living the crafter's dream, taking q 7 cr, q 7 sm and q7 rf and making q 154 dg. this part is nice. | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | heh, yes | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | however this also means that i gotta do like 13 clicks to get the xp corresponding to ONE SINGLE CLICK at 100 q | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | :D | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | or 20 to catch up with my own quality. | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | that is a full 5 minutes per click or some shit. so i move very slow. | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | and meanwhile a noob crafter can breeze through levels overcrafting | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | of course | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this blows. | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think in spite of profit many high crafters will strictly prefer to make high value, high q items regardless | [08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i know im tempted. | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | I know what you mean quite very well indeed | [08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking evil never ceases. | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | in this sense it truly seems quite well balanced: whatever you do for a profit, there's some side to it which sucks :))) | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, thinking about it - this state of affairs in point of fact invalidates my "fixed price" approach to buying. | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, q 7 and q 70 are NOT actually "the same thing" to me. | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think ima go back to the "split the difference" valuation method. | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | it was good while it lasted, lol | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty market-distorting too huh. | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | for sure | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> i think in spite of profit many high crafters will strictly prefer to make high value, high q items regardless <- come to think about it, this IS my current mining approach really | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | possibly I might relent on it if I get the q above 150-160 on everything, but it seems faaar away | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr my mcguyver is 153 | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | is that an increase of what, 10 points? | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | while doing basically only tinkering? | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | that's interesting really: so for 5 points increase in tinkering you got 10 points increase in mcguyve? | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << updarted. | [09:34] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | updarted sounds good :p | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well all i know is that my tools came out 14326 and the basic is iirc 9352 | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | still weird somehow that you have tink so close to mcguyver in quality although tinkering skill is waay higher, isn't it? | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | Dec 28 14:28:25 <mircea_popescu> clearly i should drop mcguyver huh << maybe not eh ?! | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, tinkering is 788, mcguyver is 368 and sortage 325. | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's weird how unclear it is | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow the (788, 325) combo yields 154 but the (368,788) combo yields 153 | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | well, there's no reason why it should have the same impact basically | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | tink on mcguyver as sortage on tink | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | still they're pretty close. | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | 1113 vs 1156 as it were | [09:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | course... when i had tink q 147 i had tool q 142. | [09:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so now that i got +7 on tinkering, i get +11 on tool. | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty weird. | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | stgill you know, i was able to gain something between a half dozen and a full dozen q points in... two weeks | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | 15 bloody sticks used and not even 3/4 of the gathering level god damned it | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | this isn't by any stretch bad | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | no, not at all really | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | 12 points in 14 days is quite good given where they are really | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, it's true that those two weeks i burned non stop, about at the rate of 15-20mn a day, so it's a decent chunk of change | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | this is where a disconnect truly burns, lol | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol yup. | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | now comparatively ... 15 sticks is what, about say 5 hours of straight mining ? | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 14 * 24 / 5 = say 67 * 3/4 = 50, easy. | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | and by the math we've been seeng here, 50 levels is more or less a half dozen to a dozen q points | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, those 14 days were mostly burning very reasonable q100+ materials. | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | with this q 7 shit... it'd have got 1 not 12. | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | about 6 minutes per stick | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh then you're way ahead. | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | except that there aren't about 1k sticks going around | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 360 / 20200 * 175 = 3.118811881 | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think sticks are actually much faster than the tools ? | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't a tool take like 5 secs to work ? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | 7.5 seconds | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow. | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | so more than twice as fast huh | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | or at least that's what I set the bot to and it doesn't seem to wait really | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | the stick I timed for the same reason | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | LIKES bot-mining with sticks | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | but god damn it what a pile of sticks I'd need to leave it for the night.... | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | + it would prolly waste xp in the end | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | about 100 neh ? | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh there is that. | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got it to where there's little xp wastage if at all, i ding maybe once every 6-7 hours | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you know, even if you miss one... you got a long time on the yellow | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | with tools yes, I think I didn't even level up that night when I jumped around all over the place | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | but with sticks it's still a bit different | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well with crafting, but yet | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah* | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know what ? i think what happened here was, that for a long time i did much mining, which drove the tinkering and the mcguyver apart. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | but then once i sat down and did a lot of tinkering, they not only converged, | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | you mean increased sortage? | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | but mcguyver actually will jump ahead if i continue | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | right | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | it would seem so | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in true analytical tradition here, i should note when the two functions cross | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's important whether they even do. | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | it is | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i guess my current plan to do a bunch of tinkering is very well advised. | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | from a research perspective. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | but I thought initially your huge sortage was gained mainly trough tinkering still? | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | no? | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... it's hard to tell you know what has a larger impact, because skill xp is so nonlinear. | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did originally get a bunch of sortage from tinkerting, but then it was also low skill level. | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | did that early boost matter more than the early winter period when you remember i mined the shit out of it, brought q down like 50 pts ? | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that's the question | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the face tho, it IS pretty weird that tinkering gains would help mcguyver more than tinkering itself. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless, of course, the q is based on pools which are in fact separate, and so because less mcguyver was done, it's somehow relatively higher impact. | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | I have 344 on mcguyver | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then the same ability is valued differently across the board. | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | possibly though | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | that was so far my hypothesis re lapidar | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | it certainly would go with what was seen around the altar. | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | lapidary on which I get 109q for a 65 level | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | but obv, I'm the only one with lapidary > 1 | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i should prolly do one click at my lvl 1 and see what q i get | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | lulz of all time if i get more than you. | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | well, diff in tinkering is more than 200 points | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | so I would say you should get more really | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much you got ? | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | tinkering | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | 526 | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha pretty significant. | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's also a gap between us two... oh brother was it slow. | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | like a tar pit. | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | but still 788-526 ~= 260 | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, want to give a spin to the wheel if we are at it anyway? | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you bring me the gear here sure, i'll click | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | kk, 1 min | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can have the result. | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | should be quite quick | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol what a reciupe | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 115 | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | as expected, see | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and some bps | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, now you guard it | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i do ? darn. | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | telk you waht ima log off | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | faster than unloaDS | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, true | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | yay, thanks | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | oh, the skullcap, lol | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then my extra 250 tinkeringf does give me 6 points | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ok trade me | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | well, log in? | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, quite curious when do I get 6 points more as I increase lapidary | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh look i levelled too! | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha now i am 2. | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | well, of course :))) | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah wait, 260 tinkering - your lapidary = +6 | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much you got ? | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | <diana_coman> lapidary on which I get 109q for a 65 level | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 260 tinkering is 6 more lapidary quality than 65 lapidary. | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | that's where I got by wearing down 1 full wheel, lol | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: if you are sticking to mcguyver, than I should prolly really focus on lapidary and possibly gung-ho for now | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | im really torn, what to do here. | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | which geeez, that tove, why the hell is it still on me, I don't even have lj!!! | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean, with this large supply of bottles i can basically make either mining tools, or crafting tools, or else milk. | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | well, SOME crafting tools at least are sorely needed | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i can't use my fucking lj cuz im crafting ;/. | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | I have 3 toolkits left IN TOTAL | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i know, we're almost out. | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i could wear down 400 of them np | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> well i can't use my fucking lj cuz im crafting ;/. <- well, that doesn't change me not having it at all, does it? lol | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh but wait. | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | a? | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait wait. toolkit takes worn down tools not slag. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | o gods ye be merciful and thy mercy sweet! | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's that : im making the lot tools and then the tools toolkits and we can breathe. | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | and you'll finally get that 400 book on mcguvyer in between too, lol | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | 800 tinkering is also in the bag. | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | but yes, the samovars take slag + tove | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | not the toolkits | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is also a public notice : that at some point towards the end of this month i will be looking for noob crafters to make ~5k shaped slags for me! | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | out of my own oil and slag, so... | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | if nobody comes forward, I prolly can do the same deal as per the bottles, taking it and making it with wyrd | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, 45mn worth of BASE labour, more like 80mn q adjusted. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | lotta work, prolly best with 2-3 people involved honestly. | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | true, but what people/ | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, let 'em say. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe copypaste finally gets in ? :D | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, now what the deuce do I do exactly: burn down the last few samovars and ...nothing | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | burn down the last toolkits idem | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can divert a few plates to make a few more, but you understand... we dun have toves to matter anyway | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | why don;t you mine ? | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | because it is fucking - all together | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | o, mining ? | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | and I do mine anyway, but it's really ... | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | dear lord... i'd love to mine if i didn't have to craft all day. | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | im not even sure if i was + or -, i just loved the snails :D | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'd love some toves at this point | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention that ordinaries take all sorts which throws me back into some kind of tinkering at some point | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you - on the grass too ?! | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | no | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | grass = toves | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then mine me some grass! | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | wut ? | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | aha, give me some bits of nothing, will you? | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ;/ | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | that's the other reason why I don't mine | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | I even shred some more | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | well what the fuck lol. how can you mine without lbn | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | exactly | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could make a ton of bits, but i don't got recipes. | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | I made some few ks bits of nothing, sure | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | went through them in a day max 2 | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 full tables sitting here waitning for me to grind them down | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | thats like 200k lbn or what, i dunt recall even | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | so I thought Birdman would make those (bps) but don't know | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc im stuck on lapidary bps | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | neah | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | lapidary bps is ONLY neckerbocker | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | don't tell me you are stuck on that, lol | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme look into this. | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I'll wear down this lapidary wheel why the hell not | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | for whatever that gets me | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | but not much by the looks of it,lol | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | hoof gloves actually | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | that's mcguyver | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | and Birdman should get those really | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1wpl 1 dg | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah srsly. | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I gave him the bp, sold him stuff, he said he got good loot but then don't know what he's doing | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | so grass ordinary requires st | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | even fucking boulder ordinary requires 2 st | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | so keep the ords locked, what. | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | (one was not bad enough) | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I do | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | I also keep locked those requiring canines | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | aka about 20 wwb and don't even recall how many bird's nest | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup got everything but the hooves. | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen, wpl you get, right ? high q ? you just got some dg, make wyrd build a bunch of hooves, what of it. | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | well, I guess I'll get then Wyrd to destroy a toolkit on hooves | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I was just saying that, yes | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | then bring me the bps and i'll do a few 100s clicks = 10ks of lbn | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds more like a plan. | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it does | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | toolkits are not the end of the world - i got worn hoes, you're wearing down the picks, and grenadine got some adzes, so | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be all good. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, got any toolkit bps ? | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | not really, no :( | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | maybe I should get wyrd to do a few toolkits too for bps really | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | really low on those | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's the scoop : toolkit bp counts 100\% tools for 100\%. | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously one uses worn tools and gets a nice undercraft going. | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | HOWEVER.... to get bps, especially for me... i have to sacrifice a TON of tool's worth | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I noticed that thing re toolkit bp | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | so yeah, get wyrd to do that too. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hopefully you still got some hoes whole ? and didn't yet run through all the picks ? | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can sell you some 14k adzes for this purpose. | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | and yes | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then you got something. | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | please do, I have NO ADZES | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many ? | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, 10 toolkits? so 20? | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright. trade me | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | no idea what loot he'll get | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | but mind! that i'll want some bps too! | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20 * 14326 * 1.25 = 358150 | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | fuck, need the bloody bank again | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got change | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i trained in the meanwhile | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | now we're getting somewhere. | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | ok, as soon as I get hold of wyrd, I'll get him on this | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | isn't communication blessed lol. | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | btw, you wanted all that ibs into flasks, right? | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | lol, indeed | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | btw the lack of bits of nothing is another reason why I prefer mining with sticks now anyway | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | but in any case, making sticks = mcguyver | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover samovar. | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | FT you know ? | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | I've been saying this for days now already | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | mhm. | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | sticks are nice, but it only goes so far. | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | "all stick mining" is perhaps more luxurious than what the plebs can yet support. | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it seems so at least until the st is found | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | even then, you know ? | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's 4.5 or so folds to make a stick, that's 90k of craft work. ytou take 6 minutes to burn it, | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | maybe, don't know | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | no crafter crafts 90k in 6 minutes | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | oh, like mining ALL THE TIME, sure | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | plus we don't actually have a clear egress for all the ords etc. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, actually it is, sb to ppb, that's 12k. srs you need 9 to the ft that's 454 * 9. dg is another 2 * 470. then the ft itself 5623. then the stgick itself, 20200. so in total it is | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 × 4466 + 9 × 454 + 2 × 470 + 5623 + 20200 = 44247 crafting work per stick. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | only ~2 folds really. but still. | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: I used 4 sticks to get 3 smalls + 1 ord on moss | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course you also touch a samovar and a mcguyver once here, so that's another 3k + 2k, which are folded themselves to all shit, let's see. | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | calculating at the end resulted in moss at 170\% to break even | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | pfff i can't even calculate this. what are worn tools, in crafting work terms ? 0 ? | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 4 sticks is no basis for any calc. | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | good question, I guess you can consider them 0 | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but when that happens 50 times it is | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the grounds they're already paid for by the mining done, let's say. as a short hand, i doub this is correct, but anyway. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the toolkit is 7 * 180 cft + 3 * 454 srs + 1 cc that's 7 * 540 + 7 * 180 * 3 for the bct underneath. + 63k the toolkit itself. | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, it's prolly moot calculating profits on mining (or the lack thereof ) at this stage seeing how there really isn't an alternative anyway | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so that is 10182 on top of the 63k, surprisingly not that horrible. | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | so it's just a matter of keep going until it breaks somewhere positive in one way or another | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ofcourse... you ALSO touch a toolkit to make a toolkit, which adds 2k | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | which are as we've seen worth 2k + 1/6 + 1/6 ^ n | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in the end, a fair cost (in craft-time-terms) for a touched toolkit would be 2172×(1+0.161619048+0.161619048^2+0.161619048^3+0.161619048^4) = 2590.4220336 | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's call it 2600 | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, "each time you use a toolkit, you burn the time-value of 2600 ecu in crafting time" | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | nowas to the samovar, | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, surprisingly all right actually, I was under the impression of a higher figure there | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | 93746 itself, + 10 shaped slag 8824 + 50 slag 670 + 10 io 5439 + 10 bottles 4070 + 120 ibs 255 + 36 thread 180 + 12 dg 470 + 2600 from the toolkit | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10 × 8824 + 50 × 670 + 10 × 5439 + 10 × 4070 + 120 × 255 + 36 × 180 + 12 × 470 + 2600 = 262150 | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 262150÷93746 × 2933 = 8201.8 | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | so every time you touch a samovar, you add 8200 in craft-time cost. | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so then our cs original calculation gets another 8201 + 2600 tacked on to the 44247, so then it's 2.72 folds. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, much bettere than the 4.5 i was guesstimating. not even 3. | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile basic tools are just | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 9350 + 8824 + 5439 + 5 * 677 + 12 * 255 + 1 * 470 + 3 * 180 = 31068 | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | so actually... the cs is about as bad as normal tools ?! | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, wait... tools are WORSE ?! | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3.322780749 | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | da fuck, who knew. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | how about imps. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 16070 + 5 * 1589 + 10 * 677 + 12 * 677 + 2600 = 41509 | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically imps are only 2.583011823, if you count the worn tools at 0. | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again i suspect this is what unloads the basic tools : that they make food for both toolkit and imps | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose that 0 might actually screw up the calculations | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, but what's a fair value. | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, it's both deeply counter-intuitive as well as very much assraping for any would-be theoretical designers, that the tool that is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to make neverthelkess in practice is a lot more burdensome. | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | no idea really | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm kinda half convinced this math is wrong somewhere because it says something so against what's empirically obvious. | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. this "craft-time load" of consumables i find to be a very informative value. | [10:51] |
| diana_coman: | I think it is although atm I can't quite fit it in a model very well really | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... to some degree it should indicate hoiw sustainable an activity is. | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, the more crafter-time it takes, the less sustainable. | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh shit... we forgot bps in all of this you know. | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | and we don't even know what that contributes. | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's tempting to say "10\% across the board", however... tookit bps and dg bps are not the same goop. | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | and of course... omfg. | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | time is not linear either! | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | the time-value of 1 ecu making say samovar != the time-value of 1 ecu making cft. | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this has all been very humiliating. | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | heh, I was just thinking of the time thing | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a factor pretty similar to the stick/tool thing at work in crafting also | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean? | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | that if i craft 1mn worth of tools i'm done in about 60\% the time it'd take me to craft 1mn worth of cft. | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | ah, that, yes | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah but i was adding them straight. | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention in the end that skill also affects time it takes to craft/use tool, as far as I noticed | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ? | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean i tinker slower than you do ? | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | prolly faster | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | higher skill -> faster work | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh right you are cuz remember we did the same tool at the same time once | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | yes, on the scaffolding | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i was a few minutes faster than you were over the hr+ | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | right | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | o brother. | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | is this game even fucking computable ? | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | there, there, have a cup of tuber tea | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | not so sure about that computable thing, lo | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | ALSO: if daniel's numbers are right, there would also be further difference re tool decay | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | how so ? | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | based on either skill or character traits | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | wut! | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | well, he says he has a different toolkit decay than what I see | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | no wai ? | [11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you see ? | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | either his number is wrong (I just checked mine like crazy and it's still there at 2172) | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | or it's...different | [11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i see 2172 too | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | well, he said some 2165 or so | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | let me dig that up | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this discussion has been very... disinformative, i guess is the right word. | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | we now know we don't know a lot more things than before, and we also know we can't find them out. | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | 2167 http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-11.log.html#t10:01:57 | [11:09] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2016-01-11 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | how the fuck would the samovar be the same then | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | so either he has a talent in mcguyver (or we do, hell knows what's better) | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahnahahaha | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | or he just got it wrong | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | in point of fact we don't even know which is better. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | exactly, at least I don't | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose I would opt to consider less decay = better/talent, but atm it's more of a preference I suppose | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | if that is true, it would be a wonderfully simple way in fact of figuring out where one's talents are at least re crafting | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | well except for tinkering which doesn't have a decaying tool | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but wouldn't you expect to see it in the chetty stick ? | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the largest decay available atm, iirc. or does the altar decay even more ? | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | no idea on the altar as I don't have one, lol | [11:28] |
| diana_coman: | so here one bit of food for thought, lol | [11:28] |
| diana_coman: | wyrd did one (ONE) item on the toolkit and got it down like 60k points?? | [11:29] |
| diana_coman: | gotta check that, lol | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | what ?! | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | no way lmao | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | saying you know, 0.3\% differences appear is one thing. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | but there was never anything even remotely like this observed, and i've had noobs click toolkit stuff too | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | you musta given him a different box than you thought or something | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | nope, he read it wrongly, lol | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | 2172 exactly | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, have you checked that decay on toolkit? do you really get 2167? as it seems you might be the only one to get that, hence possibly talented at mcguyver? | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | oh mircea_popescu the samovar actually decays 2933 as far as I know | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | toolkit 2172, wheel 2273, screens 2516, samovar 2933,altar (according to danielpbarron ) 11097 | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | what did i say ? | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | <mircea_popescu> 262150÷93746 × 2933 = 8201.8 << 2933. | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I thought you meant the toolkit to be highest for some reason; my bad | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, altar is higher still | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> but wouldn't you expect to see it in the chetty stick ? | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> that's the largest decay available atm, iirc. or does the altar decay even more ? | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | I got confused there | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | now I got what you meant | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | right, if he gets say 5 ecu off in toolkit, someone else would get the stick off by 50 | [12:24] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, 10k hoof gloves bps, 5k hat, 2k toupe, 1 k skullcap | [12:48] |
| diana_coman: | and 1k kilt I think that's needed for shredding too, right? | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahaha sweet. | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so how much for 5k hoof ? | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | actuyally how much for half the loot ? | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | and what of tkt bps ? | [12:49] |
| diana_coman: | he just started on the toolkits | [12:49] |
| diana_coman: | arghh, gotta run, will be back in 1 hr | [12:50] |
| diana_coman: | sorry | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | np np | [12:52] |
| diana_coman: | ok, back | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what q do you bouq? | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | thing is that in the end it's unlikely I get significant overcraft on tiny claims anyway (seeing how I get basically 120, 140 and 177q ) | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | so probably I am better off with as low q bits of nothing as possible | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | so I'm fine to sell you half the loot for your own bits of nothing if you need them | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | but otherwise I guess I'd rather buy some screens and start shredding | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno haven't yet | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | what bouq rank do you have? | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 407 | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly 150-160 i would expect. | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | oh, greater than mcguyver even, wow | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | still, that would give me some kind of overcraft only for lj and mining | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | not sure it makes a big diff | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | what difference does it make anyway "? lbn is pretty much sold for fixed price, q-independent. | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | true, but it's cheaper to shred myself and get some loot, no? | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | plus some xp | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, if you'd rather make your own, i can sell some tools sure. | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | if only i'd remember what i wanted for them huh | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | 250k for 5k hoof bps sounds ok to me | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill take it. | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | as for the table, i am selling, i even have a stock made specifically to sell (that nobody then wanted) | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | but ill have to crunch a fucking price. | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | I thought the screens were always wanted; ha | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | well, I can wait a bit - I still have one to wear-down | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | im 4 coins short eh. | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | carry to next time ? | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty. | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy | [15:03] |
| Birdman: | ive been trying to get a few samovar uses to get the last missing bp i need to shred | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | what bp is that ? | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I can let you have a few goes on the samovar Birdman | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | i think the flour | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | checking now | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | not congressional pulp? | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | i have some pulp bps | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | yeah the flour | [15:42] |
| Birdman: | went through half those bn&g to some really shitty loot last night | [15:44] |
| Birdman: | like 20 bps a run i'd get | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | that's weird | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | but they might be expensive bps? | [15:44] |
| Birdman: | itd be more strange if i got a ton | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | usually it's lousy for a while and then it pops at some point | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | well maybe, the ecv i could see being pricey but the rest were the rare supps | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | before that pop I even had NO LOOT on a few crafts | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | so... | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | and what, the rare supps are not pricey>? | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | and i was under the impression the supp drafts werent so valueable | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | also, a few of the crafts didnt yield loot either | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | some of them are 25k each | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | iirc | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | i couldnt find anything on them, but way back no one was interested in them | [15:46] |
| Birdman: | if that's the case i suppose i made out decent | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | I think daniel's list has some of them too, have a look | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | so Birdman do you have a harness ? | [15:49] |
| Birdman: | No | [15:50] |
| Birdman: | i could make one quick though | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | I have a samovar at 107177 so after 5 uses I expect it back at 92512q | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, do you get it high q enough? | [15:50] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu i have a bunch of worn tools | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | it's 119 points per use decay of harness | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman trade me | [15:51] |
| Birdman: | yeah i think i make them around 2k | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | ok then | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | 250k you said for the 5 uses, right? | [15:51] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | pick it up Birdman | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | do you have some flour bps or do you need any? | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | need to bank 1 sec | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | i have one and history shows i need 2-3 | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | and some decent tubers, of course | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I'll give you 2 more thn | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | ty | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | you have decent tubers? | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | yes | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | beetle brews are pretty cheap to make huh | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, how did you gather that? | [15:57] |
| Birdman: | besides samovar uses | [15:57] |
| Birdman: | therre's your tool | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | well, that's a big besides + they take the beetle which is a pain to get | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [15:58] |
| Birdman: | right but i mean to under craft some beetles? not the most expensive thing in the world | [15:58] |
| Birdman: | or noob over craft | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | I would not undercraft on a samovar now for the world, lol | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | find the st and then we can talk undercraft on a samovar | [15:58] |
| Birdman: | yupp lol | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman we prolly will have to. not enough bps | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, there is that, isn't it | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is. | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | trade whenever mircea_popescu im over weight | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is though that I get bps due to overcraft | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahahaha | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | so not sure why would that really be a problem | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | or at least not very soon | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then you're ... undercrafting as we speak. | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | how is that undercrafting? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | overcrafting | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh i mean... making less final samovar decay | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | how do you get bps while undercrafting? | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the dilemma here. get max samovar decay and no bps | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | or else lose out on the decay but get more bps | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | tool decay varies? | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | well, in that sense, yes, sure | [16:02] |
| Birdman: | well, based on input i mean | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | as in: get more value for that decay | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman if i make it it comes out about 140k. if she makes it, more like 100k | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | 110! | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | aok | [16:02] |
| Birdman: | afk for a few | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | say 10 more clicks | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | worth... 500k ? :D | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | is looking forward to those 20k of lbn and all that exploring ... | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | omg, I got loot when I was...undercrafting??? | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | so bundle 78q , output 103 and I get loot | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, bouq ? | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta figure the table in there. | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, true | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | forgot that, my bad | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | so reviewing notes turns out i at some point sold you 50 q 400+ moluscs at.. .135\% ?! wowza. | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | I certainly remember buying those 400+ molluscs at some VERY reasonable markup but don't remember exactly what it was | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | probably exactly that indeed | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. considering the ~20 hours a scaffolding takes to make and the list of rare shit it needs, i'm thinking i can sell worn screens at 190\%. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the other hand should you provide the molluscs for it, there could be a substantial discount. | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | I can provide them of course | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | what's the discount | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | how many mollusc per table and what's the price if I provide them | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lettuce see into detail here. | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | btw, mind showing me in game at some point the screen bp and some others that I don't have so that they get added to the cookbook? | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | it needs 1 scaffolding and 7 grubsilk ; 1 bp and 1 toolkit ding ; thats 3 suspect ointments, 7 coarse cordage and a further toolkit ding no wait this is tinker + 7 * (alchemist gin, and swarming grub and a samovar ding) | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | it would calc the bill of materials too :D | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, it would be an idea to add the "ding" to the bill of materials too, gotta think that a bit | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in the end it needs : 15 molluscs, 7 tlc ; 14 SG as far as the rares go | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | swarming grub? | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | ok, so if I provide 15 dm, 7 tlc, 14 sg (qi?) | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | and for the tools : 1 toolkit , 7 samovars + 7 samovars + 3 samovars for the cheese + 1 for the ointment | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta be high q cause it goes into cooking. | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | aham, kk, will calc with high q costs then, still | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | so if you provide the rares, ima want the usual 125\% for the work. the 18 samovar+1 toolkit hits should be... i guess another 20\% ish should be fair. | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ima want 145\% if you do the dm tlc and grub. | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | and since i have stock already, you can just have the item with no delay for the first few. | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | kk, what q is that table we are talking about? | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | over 500k. | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | hm, quite curious if the costs (esp due to molluscs) actually come to less than the 45\% discount | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | will check that | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | should be I'd say now, but I'd rather see it, lol | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | well it comes together to about 200-250k you save | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I considered 225k | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | but keep in mind that on molluscs I missed at some point even with a stick! | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you manage to get mollusc at 500\% prolly yes. if not, prolly no. | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | 9 minutes to wear down this screen entirely and I'll check hopefully I still have 15 molluscs for one screen anyway | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | no rush. | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, gotta hunt down more molluscs - I have even 50, but low q | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | oh ffs, mircea_popescu do you have any clogs for sale? | [16:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just might lemme look | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, 25 at 40690 | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I'll take 20 | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | now mind that these are toolkit + bms + 2 lotus harlots. so it's gonna be 63k a pop. | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | that's fine though if it helps I have some 200 lh at 137 | [16:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | its ok | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme fish em out | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | kk let me know when to trade | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i want to buy some of the bits you all are working on | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | you here Birdman ? | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20 * 63 = 1260 - 40 = 1220 | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec bank | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron want a screen ? or just the lbn ? | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | also diana want this screen ? 570. | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | just the lbn | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I'd take it mircea_popescu if it's ok to bring the mollusc later as I don't have them right now | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [16:47] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy a screen too actually | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | 570 * 1.45 = 826.5 you owe, and 15 molluscs, 7 tlc 14 sg later on. | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron once she brings the stuff ima make you one | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | got it mircea_popescu , thanks | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | got it diana_coman ? | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol cool | [16:49] |
| Birdman: | how many screens you got | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I can part with some lbn as per the prices in your shop; seeing how you consider fair price 100 for 1 lbn at 73q, that makes 141 for my 103q lbn | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | let me know how many you want | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I know | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | lbn is not really economical past maybe 50-60 or so is it ? | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | that's not how my prices work | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | no? how do they work danielpbarron ? | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | they work for me | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I guess it depends - you can argue that if I use 1 bit of nothing to dig out a mollusc... | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha | [16:53] |
| Birdman: | lool | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | lolk | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | well danielpbarron I'm just following your example here really | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyways ima bbl | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | and 141 /lbn certainly works for me, I have to agree with you there | [16:53] |
| Birdman: | ill probably have many bits to come | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i won't buy at that price | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I'm still interested in them | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | fine with me danielpbarron | [16:54] |
| Birdman: | definitely need to get my hands on those screens | [16:59] |
| Birdman: | but i also need to monetize first seeing as it will be a crazy expensive item at 190\% | [16:59] |
| Birdman: | burned through about a third coin the past week | [16:59] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman would you be interested in low q md? | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, not really, as I got some with Wyrd already | [17:16] |
| Birdman: | i see | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | and tbh I don't have much use for them now seeing that I really don't want to use them in a samovar at least until the tove is found | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, gotta update my shop page too, bbl | [17:17] |
| jurov: | what do you mean "tove is found"? | [17:17] |
| jurov: | i mined some | [17:17] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, did you mine slithy tove? | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | sell me exclusive coordsclol | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | wow, well done! | [17:18] |
| jurov: | moment, i must get double sure i did not confuse it with sth | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | it looks like a question mark | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:19] |
| jurov: | ofc i confused it with swarming grub | [17:22] |
| Birdman: | damn | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | d'oh! | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | that would have made you some money jurov | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | oh well, it sounded so good, lol | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | what \% was mp buying resources for before? 90\%? i think his math works out to 80.5\% now | [17:24] |
| jurov: | i'm sorry had a long day, was screamed on by dude who threw out an address and got paid out to it | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | no worries jurov, no harm done at all | [17:25] |
| Birdman: | such is customer service | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | and ouch, that sounds shitty | [17:25] |
| Birdman: | officially out out screens | [18:00] |
| Birdman: | though they are 130kq | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [18:00] |
| Birdman: | says i need a better tool for the job i assume it needs more q | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | no, you need another clogs | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | the boots, lol | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | duh | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | thanks lol | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | the "tool" is always what you wear and for that matter if the container is worn-out, it would eat your bundle | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | np | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | so i am in the market of buying those | [18:03] |
| Birdman: | or studs and i can probably make them of decent enough q | [18:03] |
| diana_coman: | looool Birdman I just bought from MP 20 out of the 25 he sold for 63k each | [18:04] |
| Birdman: | what the clogs? | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | wait maybe he sells the other 5 too | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [18:05] |
| Birdman: | well he's selling his screens so i may be in luck | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | I considered 20 to be enough for me | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | well, he can always make more clogs anyway | [18:05] |
| Birdman: | true, seems swamped though | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | no way, st is found ?! | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | no, false alarm mircea_popescu | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | or false hope | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | ha, worn out one pair of clogs already | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | damn those poorly made shoew | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | chinese imports baby | [18:34] |
| Birdman: | forgot i dont have a tool kit | [19:38] |
| Birdman: | so i definitely need some clogs | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | Jan 12 03:01:00 * Marti_ (~Marti@184.217.124.26) has left #eulora ("Leaving") <<< it saddens me to say that this has been the last we will be hearing from chet. she died soon thereafter, of pancreatic cancer. | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll certainly miss her. | [20:17] |
| hanbot: | she left a hell of a legacy. | [20:21] |
| Birdman: | I'm sorry to hear | [20:27] |
| thestringpuller: | :( | [21:23] |
| mod6: | :( that's horrible news. | [21:29] |
| Birdman: | whats up danielpbarron | [23:37] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman you buy used cs for the q in ecu right? | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | also, the supplications themselves are 25k base, the supplication drafts are, of course, 1/10 of that | [23:54] |
| Birdman: | So im really not making out well on the over crafting | [23:54] |
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