| Birdman: | anyone want lotus harlets q46 for 750ea? | [00:29] |
| Birdman: | ehh nvm thats higher than base value | [00:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | soooo 253 md out of 8500 tries (ran out of lbn) | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 8500Ã\u0097187+(1111â\u0088\u00921006)Ã\u0097180Ã\u00971.49+200Ã\u009730 = 1623661 for this run. | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | means i should be getting no less than 160\% per base-adjusted md to "1/3 break even". | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | and now the question of the ages : does THIS batch of md come to about half the cost of the other one because this run WASN'T baseline, or because the other run was just too expensive ? | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | 160\% is kind of doable on md I'd say, esp is really high q | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | esp if really high q, I meant | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | updated cookbook with bill of materials and calculated base value (so for all items with available info); there's also a change of page names unfortunately, due to clashing mnemonics e.g. tm = tuber milk = treebark mockasillies | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... 124 | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | hey, it's better than my 118, lol | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman btw got ae ? | [11:01] |
| diana_coman: | well, I got them, same as pss, but I kind of need them for my own cs run; got any ae ordinaries? | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | mnop. | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | I'm buying them and will sell ae if I ever manage to get enough of them | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | just gonna do a little ft run here an' see. | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | need some bps anyway | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I just finished one samovar making ft only | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | it's still a bit weird the cooking stuff for me as in (for once!) good weird: 106q at 117 rank, vs 119q at 326 mcguyver | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | but now I can see a new samovar crisis due to no st | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | making 147, not so terribru | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | so you get 142 on mcguyver but 147 on gung-ho? do you have higher gung-ho? | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | just about ther same. | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | clearly i should drop mcguyver huh | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course... maybe lower quality is better for loot | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | so weird as it seems then that gung-ho is simply...easier? | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | it's not just me or something | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 13 points less for 200 ranks does not necessarily mean it's easier for you tho | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q do you tinker ? | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | 112 ...and it's been for a while, lol | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | my point was: 117/106 = 1.1 ; 326/119=2.73 | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but this neglects the tinkering impact. suppose tinkering provides 100 points from there. | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | now you get 6/117 vs 19 / 326 | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | that is why I said easier: more q gain per rank; then again, can't tell if it's just because of non-linear increase | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean from there? | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | if out of the 106 points you get in cooking tinkering provides 100, that leaves 6 points to be provided by the 117 rank. | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, for one thing, kind of no | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes kind of no, but for the sake of argument. | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | for the simple reason that I was cooking below 100 lol | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | I see | [12:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | it;'s not ~just~ the two things you say. it's also the sliding scale of how much in it is actually tinkering | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | of course, it's not even that the whole thing for sure | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | but there is no way of knowing how much exactly is tinkering in there | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | or if it is a fixed quantity for that matter | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: it can impact it in any way really | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, actually, if you get mcguyver skill = cooking skill then the difference would be... | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. darn. | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | the difference would be the tinkering impact +- the difference between the two skills impact lol | [12:34] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude how did i make this jewel. | [12:34] |
| diana_coman: | with a chetty stick :p | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | so successfully resisting reversing for what, almost a year now ? | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | well, reversing stuff is quite by definition a very hard problem | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | when you have only the outputs | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | as they can come from whatever stuff in the end, even random from all one can say | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, one *could* record the exact increase in mcguyver brought by ranking up *one* level in tinkering, of course | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | but that would again be not entirely useful as one increase at one level is not the same as at another level, so not sure | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, will try maybe to catch something like that out of curiosity | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | there are some numeric approaches available, curious if anything comes of any of em | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | not sure if it's possible for cooking though | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well you see both... how much tinkering gain is needed for +1 q of each | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> well you see both... how much tinkering gain is needed for +1 q of each <- that's the thing: not sure you can; on mcguyver you can easily see due to making sticks - as soon as you get one level up in tink, you see how much 0.2 or whatever it gave you; however if you wait for full 1 q point, you might get 1 level of mcguyver in between too and then how exactly do you know which one or how much? | [13:53] |
| diana_coman: | maybe to do only tinkering until +1 in mcguyver /gung-ho, mhm | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea\ | [14:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo... anyone want 71 FT q 147 ? | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | what markup on those? | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 142\% | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | I'll pass, thanks | [16:20] |
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