| mircea_popescu: | so im getting md q125 just ftr. | [01:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | not SO terrible after all. | [01:16] |
| diana_coman: | hey, that's not bad at all mircea_popescu ; I'm getting the md 118/117 but probably it won't grow too quickly anyway | [03:54] |
| diana_coman: | and btw it seems to me that farming fills in quicker *after* ranking up in building - as if there was some part of the level that can be hurried up through building - ever noticed something similar? | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | and 137 on grocery ftr | [03:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | got 32 overnight | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... 5 hours or so | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | and no, can't say that i have diana_coman but then again it never occured to me to look | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, 1865 tries, 35 md. and no ords. | [06:33] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds the kind of thing I get, maybe still slightly better | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | what tool did you use? | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | basic hoe | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3155 truies, 55 md | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman do you use 1 cft or 7 ? | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | 7 | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | using 1 means in my exp turning smalls into tinies and I haven't really seen any reason to it | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i've been using 1s. | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | on this run you mean? | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | will do a large run later with 7s, see if it comes different | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | im thinking do 10k each | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | oh, then it sounds better than mine for sure | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | for that matter q 92 i've been using | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I see now why you used 1 only, lol | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have hiqher q too, but since i was gonna do 1s figured use the lowest i got. | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | yes, of course | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, should be interesting to see how they go. | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i figure 10k tries gotta count for something. | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | it's what, 5 nights worth? | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, curious if you hit it big at some point although using 1cft only kind of avoids this I suppose | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | but maybe ordinary | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | not even, this almost 4k has been <24 hours | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | goes reasonably fast | [10:31] |
| diana_coman: | yes, this is why I was wondering if it is enough - I surely did 24hr runs (on same resource, no break) and on most of them there was no big hit | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, curious how it goes | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | for now on a different test: I just used 20 cs on pss and I got consistently small claims and consistently 17-19 pss/claim | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | so much for observing any kind of variation really | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | (still have cs to go) | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i remember how pissed off i was when i got like i dunno, 24 or so smalls in a row from cs at sb | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | something like that I suspect, yes :))) | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | adding to that: 20 cs and not even one level up in gathering, lol | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so > 400k per level huh | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but tbh I find it way more problematic when I got 200k into one level of farming around 60 and it didn't go up... | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: this gathering is at least 400+ | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | if farming is like that at 60... | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | heavy huh. | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | btw, I am on my last 6 toolkits and 7 samovars | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | will surely need both | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah... im planning to make more toolkits but will need shaped slags | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, why shaped slag for toolkits? | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | to makje tools to run down | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, I have enough pickaxes and hoes | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | already worn-out | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | the adzes might be a problem I suppose | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | are adzes any better for lj? | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | I find them a disaster every time I use them | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't have any lol so can't comment | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | lol; I'll check if I have any reasonable number of them then | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | oh, shaped slags are anyway needed for samovars... | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course it'd be better if someone made me low q slag and io so i make high q shaped slag for the samovars. | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas tools/tookit vice-versa | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | hm, and then I got 1.5k of pss out of my 1 and only ordinary | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | that's what I did mircea_popescu when I caught a noob | [11:41] |
| diana_coman: | for the pickaxes | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [11:46] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: pls remind me, where are your intrinsic values taken from? | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | what do you call intrinsic values? | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | base values? | [12:19] |
| jurov: | yes base | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | mainly from storage - basically anything of quality between 100 and 199 will show with its base value (hence at 100) currently when you try to store it | [12:20] |
| diana_coman: | in some cases and alternative, I calculate it | [12:20] |
| diana_coman: | (where I can, basically) | [12:20] |
| diana_coman: | base value of an item at q100 is sum of its ingredients considered each at q100 as far as I could see | [12:20] |
| diana_coman: | tool/container wear isn't considered | [12:21] |
| jurov: | yes. i'm surprised electron offers the same numbers as storage, then | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, why? | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | he does, yes | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | he's an asshole | [12:22] |
| jurov: | i thought he uses real value*0.8 | [12:25] |
| jurov: | this apparently changed too... | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | I think atm it is bugged anyway | [12:26] |
| diana_coman: | as it doesn't really adjust for quality other than in increments of 100 | [12:26] |
| jurov: | isee | [12:27] |
| jurov: | lol long time ago i have sold him a craft table bp... not anymore on offer, someone must have bought it | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | wasn't he wiped out? | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | is he still offering anything at all? I thought all his wares were wiped out at some point | [12:31] |
| jurov: | yes, he had nothing , i sold that to him afterwards | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | not sure if it's not wiped out at reset-time now | [12:34] |
| jurov: | currently 2 bps and one sb of quality 5 on offer | [12:34] |
| jurov: | guess some noob tried to sell him for free | [12:34] |
| diana_coman: | btw for bp values I think daniel had a handy list | [12:34] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, http://www.eulorum.org/User_talk:Danielpbarron | [13:18] |
| jurov: | wow | [13:19] |
| jurov: | heh there's difference right at first item - bird's nest (70 vs. 71) | [13:20] |
| jurov: | similar for rr,sr,ae,... | [13:48] |
| danielpbarron: | what difference? | [15:01] |
| jurov: | one-off | [15:23] |
| jurov: | bewheen your numbers and diana's | [15:23] |
| jurov: | *between | [15:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i have bird's nest at quality 271 that shows up as being worth 142 | [15:31] |
| danielpbarron: | 142 / 2 = 71 | [15:31] |
| jurov: | maybe she had one with q <200 that was showing 70 | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | if you have a bird's nest at exactly quality 100, or anything in the 100s I'd like to know what they say | [15:32] |
| jurov: | i looked, but don't have | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | i think her's is wrong | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | my method of calculating base value is very reliable across all the items | [15:33] |
| danielpbarron: | the only tricky things are tools and armor and containers | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | it's 71 jurov ; the values in the blog post (I guess that's where you looked?) were taken when it was adjusting for q and I had to round; I'll update them to avoid confusion in the future; otherwise for resources, the values are in the wiki anyway and at every resource's page such as http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/ricketyreeds.html | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> I think atm it is bugged anyway << true. | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | aaaand I can report a cs miss | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | but it was on dead molluscs | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | so ...yes, it misses and it sucks big time | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | crazy | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess i gotta do more cs exploring | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | it's the first time I ever had a miss with a cs | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | not sure if that's the bright side :))) | [15:42] |
| jurov: | hah diana_coman you even have "first found by" ? | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | isn't it there? lol | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | I do | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | there jurov : http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/threepointedthorn.html | [15:45] |
| jurov: | ohohooo .. i just thought how do i prove this | [15:45] |
| jurov: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/nondescripttubers.html << danielpbarron | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | heh, proof | [15:47] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, also http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/twoleafclover.html | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5194 tries, 85 md, no ord. god dangit | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. anyone selling pss ? | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaahhaa | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman still waiting on the tool to make me building books? | [18:48] |
| Birdman: | could use another batch of imps and cs | [18:49] |
| Birdman: | as i sit here and get ord after ord next to mercy i wonder, if the noob gathering is nearly a gtd ord, why not exclusively do that? | [18:59] |
| Birdman: | increase productivity right? | [19:00] |
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