#eulora Logs for 20 Dec 2015



December 20th, 2015 by Diana Coman
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I have some slag bps for sale (10k) [04:33]
mircea_popescu: how much ? [06:25]
jurov: i have 30k [08:12]
jurov: slag bps [08:12]
jurov: 80 copper ea [08:13]
diana_coman: they are low q (~8 or so), what do those go for? [08:15]
diana_coman: it's 67 base value iirc [08:15]
jurov: they go for 80 [08:16]
jurov: i tell you [08:16]
diana_coman: oh, so then 80 [08:16]
diana_coman: I didn't know yours were also low q jurov [08:17]
jurov: yes, around q 80 [08:17]
jurov: did you or anyone compiled stats, which basic resources depend on sortage? [09:04]
diana_coman: what do you mean? [09:05]
diana_coman: as far as I can tell, sortage improves q of all basic resources the same [09:06]
jurov: i get grass q 101 and sm q 56 [09:06]
diana_coman: no idea re potential improvements re hit rates [09:06]
diana_coman: sm is NOT basic [09:06]
diana_coman: sm is mining [09:06]
jurov: uh [09:06]
diana_coman: spicy moss I assume [09:06]
jurov: yes that [09:07]
diana_coman: with q56 aren't you well placed to make some money from building ords? [09:08]
diana_coman: as in take some ords from Birdman, overcraft them and build for loads of resources that sell at qi prices? [09:08]
jurov: does he have ords for these? [09:09]
diana_coman: I understand he has them for everything [09:09]
diana_coman: or he can get them easily as apparently he gets *only* ordinaries when using a cs [09:09]
jurov: looks like it works that way. my advanced hoes get only smalls, too. [09:12]
diana_coman: oh, so then maybe you try directly with a cs [09:13]
diana_coman: maybe you get only ords too? [09:13]
jurov: never tried cs [09:15]
diana_coman: I should have a few still in storage if you want them to try [09:16]
jurov: i'm fine with smalls. getting resources for ords is pita [09:16]
jurov: already have some, unbuilt for month [09:16]
diana_coman: what res are you missing to build them? [09:18]
jurov: don't remember, will let you know. it was not just one [09:19]
diana_coman: hi fghj need anything to craft/build? [09:35]
fghj: I think I could try dragging table all over the world I have another 50k of branches underwater and 8k of some stones or something [09:45]
diana_coman: aha, do you have a table or need one? [09:46]
diana_coman: and I'll buy those branches and stones [09:46]
fghj: I don't have any, wow I just segfaulted [09:48]
fghj: fortunatelly it run fine [09:48]
fghj: so I'm back this time [09:48]
diana_coman: I can make you one when you get to town [09:49]
fghj: ok [09:49]
diana_coman: it's ready [09:52]
fghj: lol, got into segfault loop with 1s of gameplay, got out of loop by going out of water then a table drop later mountains ate my table and now if I... [10:53]
fghj: wave third person camera I can somtimes see my table [10:54]
diana_coman: fghj, the mountains drop means it got underneath, try to move the camera so you see it and then grab it... [10:55]
diana_coman: if you need help, give me some coords as I might be able to help you out there [10:55]
fghj: yes that's what I'm trying currently [10:55]
fghj: ha got it [10:58]
diana_coman: well done! [10:58]
diana_coman: btw, you could also try in principle with text cmds to see if you can get it faster: /target craft-table /pickup [10:58]
diana_coman: usually try to drop it on your head/up high as it were [10:59]
diana_coman: to avoid it getting burried [10:59]
fghj: cool text command would be good, because picking blocks horizontal camera movement [11:01]
diana_coman: the above exist; check the help too for a more complete list [11:01]
danielpbarron: fghj, i'd buy a key to a locked claim full of heavy stuff [11:12]
fghj: I could sell key to about 8k of some stones or something [11:16]
fghj: ordinary crumbly rocks at -330 301 [11:17]
danielpbarron: yes i'd buy that [11:19]
danielpbarron: 500k [11:22]
diana_coman: 28k for carrying it around? [11:22]
diana_coman: interesting [11:22]
fghj: ok, I'm draging that table near -350 -40 [11:24]
diana_coman: I've started a craft run to make pickaxes; there should be 100 of them available for sale, anyone interested? [11:52]
diana_coman: basic pickaxes, not imp [11:52]
Birdman: need the noob testing of cs soon [13:18]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, i want [13:25]
Birdman: jurov you have 100\% small rate too? whats your gathering level and want to use a cs for free? [13:31]
jurov: Birdman, gathering 120 [13:33]
jurov: and yes, why not [13:34]
Birdman: cool, you around? [13:34]
Birdman: really hopes he gets smalls w/ cs [13:35]
jurov: yes, in town [13:36]
Birdman: gotta wait for these cs to be done, ~10 min [13:36]
jurov: Birdman: you misunderstood. it was with these imp hoes [13:37]
jurov: barehanded and with basic tools i get tiny and occassional small [13:37]
Birdman: oh [13:37]
Birdman: But you only get smalls with imp tools? [13:38]
jurov: yes that one [13:38]
Birdman: Still impressive compared to everyone else if im not mistaken [13:38]
jurov: i dunno, danielpbarron is constinuously zombiexploring around for at month at least [13:40]
jurov: shoudl have much higher exp [13:40]
jurov: and probably at the worst place, i must say. looks like he gets 2 claims/day. [13:40]
jurov: Birdman: so you want to try the cs? [13:43]
Birdman: yes [13:44]
Birdman: on my way to town [13:44]
Birdman: inn 2 min [13:44]
Birdman: well thats a cs miss on lotus now too [13:46]
Birdman: i put one on your head [13:48]
Birdman: oh i suppose i should mention i do want whatever you get from it [13:50]
mircea_popescu: lol look at that, he's mined my ords gonna sell the product to dbp ?! [13:51]
jurov: ok [13:51]
mircea_popescu: SHENANIGANS [13:51]
Birdman: foul play! [13:51]
Birdman: lol [13:52]
jurov: in the middle of handling the stick, the graphics sharted to show [13:54]
Birdman: ah damnit, i destroyed all my high q beetles by mixing [13:57]
jurov: Birdman come get your ordinary [13:57]
Birdman: ooh want to do two more jurov ? [13:57]
jurov: yes [13:58]
Birdman: do it on beetles this time [13:58]
jurov: ok [13:58]
Birdman: might want to drop that stick before you pick these up [13:58]
jurov: i had it in hand, it did not mix [14:00]
Birdman: nice [14:01]
jurov: the third one, too beetless? [14:06]
jurov: fu what's happening to my fingersss? [14:06]
Birdman: yes [14:08]
Birdman: oh lock them too please [14:13]
jurov: ok done, locked [14:16]
jurov: Birdman: there? [14:18]
Birdman: do i need to lock the shroom claim too? [14:18]
Birdman: so people, jurov get all smalls with imps, seemingly all ords, or a high hit rate, with cs, but no so much luck/skill with basics [14:20]
Birdman: we are nearly the same level [14:20]
jurov: what do you mean "no so much luck/skill with basics" [14:21]
Birdman: well i hit 100\% smalls with basics too [14:21]
Birdman: you said you get tinies with them [14:21]
jurov: i'd say it's normal, depends more on the wear of the tool than the skill level [14:22]
Birdman: you'd say what is normal, just the entirety of these results? [14:23]
jurov: that the type of a claim (not the luck) depends on the tool [14:25]
Birdman: no, if you read the log for most people ords are pretty uncommon with cs [14:28]
Birdman: and to have 100\% smalls with imps is also very impressive [14:28]
jurov: aok. it's pretty much impossible to keep up with both this log and #b-a. [14:34]
jurov: maybe i have some inborn skill for exploring, too [14:34]
jurov: diana_coman, others: i need 4*(8md, 3 wm, ss, 4 dcs) to build flotsam ords [14:36]
jurov: i have some of the stuff but it's not not quality [14:36]
jurov: there's also remarkable flotsam, but that list reads like something from future millenia [14:37]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:38]
mircea_popescu: how much for the slag bps jurov ? [14:38]
jurov: 80*30k=2.4m [14:38]
mircea_popescu: and diana_coman ? are they really q 8 ? [14:39]
mircea_popescu: how about say 2mn ? [14:39]
jurov: mircea_popescu: that'd be less than iv [14:40]
Birdman: i have dcs, but they aren't high q [14:40]
Birdman: is also buying high q md [14:40]
mircea_popescu: iv ?! [14:40]
mircea_popescu: 67 * .8 = 53 or so each at merchant. [14:41]
jurov: int. value of slag bps is 67 [14:41]
jurov: waitwhat [14:41]
jurov: merchant asks me 67 [14:41]
jurov: for a q100 bp [14:41]
mircea_popescu: but yours is q 80 neh ? [14:42]
Birdman: how could i possibly make it worth your time to build md ords for me mircea_popescu? [14:43]
jurov: it's 65-101, 80 is est result [14:43]
mircea_popescu: Birdman atm not really, got a pile of crafting to do. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: if you sell the claims i might buy, but that's about it . [14:44]
Birdman: I see, and are you trying to part with any? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: mds you mean ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: dun have any atm. jus' sittin' here makin' slag. [14:45]
Birdman: ok ok, i guess the next best i can get is diana_coman ? [14:46]
jurov: mircea_popescu: the piles came out q 76,78,78,93 [14:46]
mircea_popescu: 20k each ? [14:47]
jurov: 9.9k each [14:47]
mircea_popescu: so 40k total ? [14:48]
jurov: about 37k. but i want to keep some [14:48]
mircea_popescu: is it actually full stacks, 9999 or is it 9900 ? [14:48]
jurov: 9649, 9371, 8963, 9054 [14:49]
mircea_popescu: calcs [14:50]
jurov: yep, 37k [14:50]
mircea_popescu: 2mn [14:50]
jurov: for all? mno [14:51]
mircea_popescu: ( 9649×.76+ 9371×.78+ 8963×.78+ 9054 × .93) * 67 = 2013616.66 [14:51]
jurov: 2.1m [14:53]
mircea_popescu: lemme see if diana_coman wakes up and what q her stuff is. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather use low q stuff seeing how i'm overcrafting. [14:54]
mircea_popescu: under* [14:54]
mircea_popescu: can't fucking believe he's rfun himself out of slag bps. [14:55]
mircea_popescu: had 200k at some point ffs. [14:55]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, let me check again as I am coming to town [14:56]
mircea_popescu: cool. [14:56]
mircea_popescu: and here is the weirdest thing of all time : crafting q 150 with bundle q 150 actually yielded bp loots! [14:57]
mircea_popescu: valuable ones too, 1 flat slag, 8 ppb [14:57]
diana_coman: q5 even, lol [14:57]
diana_coman: 9999 of them [14:57]
mircea_popescu: how much ? [14:58]
diana_coman: mhm, perhaps it was in fact as in 150.13 etc? [14:58]
diana_coman: tbh I don't really know how to price the bps exactly, I mean base value is 67, but to adjust it to q 5 it doesn't make any sense to sell really - I'm better off keeping them for my own undercrafted slag [15:04]
diana_coman: I'd say 67 is as low as it can go [15:05]
mircea_popescu: how about you know, 500k for the lot [15:12]
mircea_popescu: o.O [15:12]
mircea_popescu: for teh loves of christ, check it out, bp shortages now. [15:12]
diana_coman: mhm, guess I can do it for this lot, so 500k for 9999 at q5; not sure how many tons of them I'll need to get though before thinking this was again a good idea, lol [15:16]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, trade then [15:17]
mircea_popescu: ah sorry was afk [15:21]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there ? [15:21]
diana_coman: yes [15:22]
mircea_popescu: danke [15:22]
diana_coman: enjoy [15:22]
diana_coman: in unrelated news: I ran the numbers on one largish (100x50 coordinates) sr spot [15:23]
diana_coman: 1389 ch tries and success rate ....65\% [15:23]
mircea_popescu: so harder than sr huh [15:24]
diana_coman: the trouble with calculating it on x or y resources is that unless you manually define a run to be "on x" , it's not that obvious from the data [15:24]
Birdman: diana_coman i have 7 md claims to be made if you want to, bundles all ready [15:24]
mircea_popescu: which is odd because it's cheaper. [15:24]
diana_coman: what do you mean ? [15:24]
mircea_popescu: cr is cheaper than sr [15:24]
diana_coman: Birdman, ok, but give me all, I'll leave them in claims - 10\% and lock them so no more troubles like last time, ok? [15:25]
diana_coman: where did I say cr? [15:25]
Birdman: ya ya, but can i request you to consolodate into one claim? [15:25]
Birdman: and trade when ready [15:25]
diana_coman: for md I can, yes; the dcs were too heavy for that, lol [15:25]
Birdman: right those are a pain [15:26]
diana_coman: uhm Birdman I think at least *some* claims are already missing? [15:28]
diana_coman: I have a key for 112 34 236 [15:28]
diana_coman: I am right there and there is nothing [15:29]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nm i misread cr into it [15:29]
mircea_popescu: ch/sr became... cr [15:29]
diana_coman: aha, no, so hoes on shiny rock [15:29]
Birdman: some behind you too [15:29]
diana_coman: Birdman, q40?? [15:30]
diana_coman: omg, I should have asked this first, lol [15:30]
diana_coman: mk [15:30]
Birdman: yeah should be lower but i didnt see the lower q rr i had and stuff [15:30]
diana_coman: I will NOT do any other run with q40 bundle, lol [15:30]
diana_coman: or lower for that matter [15:31]
Birdman: im pretty sure your output wont be drastically effected because its low q [15:31]
diana_coman: it's a huge waste of time basically [15:31]
diana_coman: it will be [15:31]
Birdman: exp probably though [15:31]
Birdman: well what q output is it? because over crafting is obviously a retarded move [15:31]
diana_coman: that's the main thing in any case: if no xp, then what am I doing here? [15:31]
Birdman: the most efficient then being to make the q bundle same as your output? [15:31]
diana_coman: but this one I'll do since I did not ask initially [15:31]
Birdman: to get 10\% [15:31]
diana_coman: and at least we will have the data on it [15:31]
mircea_popescu: not so illogical... if crafting works with low q why not try mining [15:32]
diana_coman: I am all for trying [15:32]
diana_coman: but I try on my own claims then, not like this, lol [15:32]
Birdman: right, what *else* is a skill for if not to create better from worse [15:32]
diana_coman: yes Birdman but as I said: on MY claims [15:33]
diana_coman: either bought or got otherwise [15:33]
Birdman: im paying you lol i dont get it [15:33]
diana_coman: mk [15:33]
diana_coman: yes, the 10\% was considering that I get some xp [15:33]
diana_coman: which I don't [15:33]
diana_coman: anyway, let's get the data now better [15:34]
Birdman: well if this turns out to be much better than the last disaster then we can talk about what might be a more fair price [15:34]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think the main question /diff it's not entirely clear at building what is loot and what is "output" [15:35]
jurov: huehuehue anyone guess what happened when i put imp hoe to my left hand? [15:35]
diana_coman: did you get ordinary? [15:36]
Birdman: tinies? [15:36]
diana_coman: ha ha, I'm the optimist here [15:36]
jurov: yes tinies [15:36]
diana_coman: at least then you are clearly right-handed jurov ? [15:36]
Birdman: samez lol so i think we can safely call it the off-hand [15:36]
jurov: submissive hand [15:37]
diana_coman: Birdman, what's the base value for the md bundle? [15:37]
Birdman: i dont know [15:38]
diana_coman: .... [15:38]
diana_coman: mk, will calc [15:38]
diana_coman: so far it would seem it works remarkably close to crafting: I get q 110 and guess what, the value I got out of the 1st ord is ...1.10*base_value of bundle [15:40]
Birdman: whether or not this is going to be outwardly profitable im unsure of, but the increase in yield from the noob mining the md will get me will definitely make up any difference and then some [15:40]
diana_coman: that doesn't make any difference for me [15:40]
diana_coman: so 13 from 1st, 10 from 2nd [15:42]
diana_coman: Birdman, 92 beetles 117q in total = 16827 (adjusted for q), which is slightly below 1.17 *bundle base value = 16827 [16:08]
Birdman: bundle base value? [16:09]
diana_coman: yes, the bundles has a base value too, namely 14382 (at 100q) [16:09]
diana_coman: anyway, 92-9 = 83 beetles for you [16:09]
diana_coman: trade [16:10]
diana_coman: overall, I'd say that it does seem to be remarkably close to tinkering in that I got close enough to the equivalent of 117q basically [16:11]
diana_coman: oh Birdman did you want the keys back? I did not lock the claims seeing how they are used and empty [16:12]
danielpbarron: out of approximately 24 hours of barehanded gathering, I got 2 small polished small stone ennumerations, 44 tiny polished small stone ennumerations, 5 tiny spicy moss ennumerations, and 17 tiny worthless putrid leather ennumerations [17:33]
Birdman: no noobs tonight huh [18:12]
Birdman: danielpbarron go for it, ill take the pointy slags [18:18]
Birdman: if bps are selling for 67 a piece i might want to consider doing a crafting run myself [18:18]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i'll take the pointy slag package [18:19]
Birdman: you want some high q beetles for 250\% danielpbarron [18:30]
Birdman: q117 [18:31]
danielpbarron: yeah [18:41]
danielpbarron: Birdman, ^ [18:41]
Birdman: wish i didnt stupidly mix the ones i had before [18:41]
danielpbarron: what are they now/ [18:41]
Birdman: q132 bundles [18:41]
Birdman: i just turned the ones i had all into lotus bundles [18:42]
Birdman: oh the ones i mixed, like 40 [18:42]
danielpbarron: the beetles are quality 40? [18:42]
Birdman: but if you are willing to pay that price then its profitable for me to have diana_coman mine them [18:42]
Birdman: if she thinks 10\% is a fair pay for bulding them [18:42]
Birdman: yeah [18:42]
Birdman: the ones i mixed [18:42]
danielpbarron: wow what a terrible mix [18:42]
Birdman: yeah [18:43]
Birdman: i just said i made those into bundles [18:44]
Birdman: wait for diana to answer and if she's willing ill have another 20 claims of it built [18:44]
Birdman: if she wants more money it might even be worth more [18:53]
Birdman: especially because she's taking profits in beetles not coppers so i dont get that resale aspect of it [18:53]
danielpbarron: Birdman, can you get me 525 beetles and 70 lotus harlot claims for 3.8 mn ? [18:53]
Birdman: any q beetles? [18:53]
Birdman: no [18:54]
Birdman: i cant do that is the answer [18:54]
danielpbarron: 117 or thereabouts for that price, or if you can convince mircea_popescu to make them (i think he gets 130 quality?) then i'll offer 4 mn for that [18:54]
danielpbarron: can't do it or not for the amount i offered? [18:55]
Birdman: both [18:55]
Birdman: i dont think 70 claims will fit on that spot [18:55]
Birdman: and thats way to cheap to do that, especially if you want the expensive beetles [18:55]
danielpbarron: can be delivered in batches [18:55]
danielpbarron: so how much you want for that package? [18:56]
Birdman: the beetles alone you're looking at 1.6mn [18:56]
Birdman: and thats rough estimate, assuming i dont have to break bank to get diana to build them [18:56]
Birdman: not to mention sheer time and effort to run the cs and get them [18:56]
Birdman: only have ~40 left [18:56]
danielpbarron: oh whoops i did some math wrong lol [18:56]
danielpbarron: how long does it take to use a chetty stick? [18:57]
Birdman: like 7-10 min for me [18:57]
Birdman: just started one ~30 sec ago [18:57]
Birdman: so ill get a better estimate when its done [18:58]
Birdman: and this also has to be more profitable than me using the beetles for my own noob mining mind you [18:58]
Birdman: rather, the beetles need to be in such excess that it doesnt effect my own noob mining, and mircea_popescu's shop does say he will buy infinite so im not worried about a flood of lotus devaluing it [19:00]
Birdman: not with only two noobs working infrequently [19:00]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you realise the idea is you trade the product back right ? [19:00]
danielpbarron: ah, then I can't do that [19:04]
danielpbarron: how much for me to keep the product? [19:05]
danielpbarron: Birdman, how about 5 million if the beatles are 117 quality [19:05]
danielpbarron: beetles* [19:05]
Birdman: no dice [19:05]
mircea_popescu: i can't let you keep the product because i need 1 of each to make toolkits. [19:05]
Birdman: i spend like 3mil in cs to get that much danielpbarron not to mention the ingreds to undercraft the 30 ords of beetles or whatever [19:06]
Birdman: and apparently i have a really high miss rate with cs on beetles [19:06]
Birdman: and lotus [19:06]
Birdman: (high being at all, only things ive missed on, bettles > lotus) [19:07]
mircea_popescu: so if you spent 3mn to get em, 5mn is a great deal [19:07]
danielpbarron: that's for 525 beetles quality 117 and 70 lotus harlot claims (ordinary obviously) [19:07]
Birdman: well mircea_popescu the day-to-day eulorian goal for me is to make sure how i spend my time and money has the greatest possible outcome [19:08]
mircea_popescu: makes sense. [19:08]
Birdman: there's not enough beetles in general, and id be using the same time enabling you to build the same lotus claims i want to build, and making less money while doing it [19:09]
Birdman: its not faster, i have to mine the same ords and get the same ords for beetles, if there was the possibilty of more or cheaper beetles of high q we could talk, or if there was some way to mine two ords at once [19:10]
Birdman: which might be the case if i can pay jurov to mine with my cs. but then it circles back to the problem of lotus space in general [19:11]
danielpbarron: so if 5 million is too low, what do you want? [19:11]
mircea_popescu: <Birdman> i dont think 70 claims will fit on that spot << bot seems to be capable to fit infinityclaims [19:12]
Birdman: gotta wait for answers from diana_coman and jurov i guess, give it time [19:12]
Birdman: i guess i could but i always assumed if they were too close on top of each other the bot couldnt target the correct claims [19:12]
mircea_popescu: bot does fine actually. [19:13]
Birdman: cool, then problem solved there [19:13]
danielpbarron: you don't have the bot [19:13]
Birdman: nope, so it wont work for me, but the claims you're getting can be [19:14]
mircea_popescu: oh hallellujah, 151q [20:12]
Birdman: on what? [20:37]
Birdman: you can use keys while they're in a table in your inventory [20:41]
Birdman: has 30 lotus bundles for the first lucky noob to come by [20:45]
mircea_popescu: on tinkering. [20:50]
Birdman: oh nice, not many things i consume that have to do with tinkering [20:51]
Birdman: i need another batch of cs whenever possible [21:50]

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