| Birdman: | Good morning eulorians. | [06:46] |
| Birdman: | you have a knack for getting cheap grass dan | [07:01] |
| Birdman: | no more auctions for this guy with starting prices way below what i know someone will pay | [07:01] |
| Birdman: | you should definitely look into comparing basic and improved tools too DianaComan | [07:04] |
| Birdman: | its been nothing but profitable for me, and considering you produce the tools yourself it would be even more efficient | [07:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman i somehow doubt anyone's paying over 64 per grass today. would have been more like 80 before the q drop, of course, but hey. | [08:21] |
| Birdman: | im just goin by the numbers you gave bud | [08:26] |
| Birdman: | though i wont hold you to your shop's prices after a change like that, i kind of expected prices to change | [08:28] |
| Birdman: | all of us seem to have been nerfed in gathering though, which makes me think my 'smalls only and ~45\% hit rate' gather could only be more valueable now. | [08:30] |
| Birdman: | I havent done much mining for things other than basics, but have been getting pretty good results on wpl. Gathering things that adjust for quality right now is the last thing i want to do | [08:32] |
| Birdman: | ***30 hours left to bid on that 100k grass*** | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman the numbers on my page, if that's what you mean, were pre-update. | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're off, and will be adjusting them when i have a moment | [08:44] |
| Birdman: | Yeah i know | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | but my tinkering q went from 210 to 150 | [08:44] |
| Birdman: | right i just cant think of a reason why q dropping across the board on all skills would make mine less valuable | [08:44] |
| Birdman: | considering i mine at the same q | [08:44] |
| Birdman: | and that the quantity i have didnt shift down, i still gather very efficiently considering everyone's hit rates and ratios of tinies/smalls went to shit | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | because the end product is less valauble. | [08:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i craft at q 210, i take your q 22 item and make it an item q 210 | [08:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i craft at 150, i take your q 22 item and make an item q 150 | [08:47] |
| Birdman: | makes sense | [08:47] |
| DianaComan: | is quite curious whether Birdman gets it *this time* | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's 70 points you gotta account for, and so on | [08:48] |
| Birdman: | that makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing that up | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a true, functioning market. nothing has a "true value". what your stuff is worth depends on what the market can do. | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is why oil was worth nothing in 1015 and ten happy meals a barrel in 2015 | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | suddenly feels very smug and proud of himself | [08:50] |
| Birdman: | its still true that things are harder to gather now | [08:51] |
| Birdman: | more expensive | [08:52] |
| DianaComan: | <Birdman> its been nothing but profitable for me <- what exactly has been profitable for you? | [08:52] |
| Birdman: | using the basic tools is in every way more efficient than using improved tools | [08:53] |
| DianaComan: | aha | [08:53] |
| Birdman: | to gather grass at least, its all ive been doing heh | [08:53] |
| DianaComan: | got through the 50 tools then or not there yet? | [08:54] |
| Birdman: | about half way | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | may be a kind-of small sample. | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | has gone through ~300 hoes since the update. | [08:54] |
| DianaComan: | around 25 tools in 1 day? guess that makes the bot kind of two times faster than manual, HA | [08:55] |
| Birdman: | well its from ~ 1250 uses | [08:55] |
| DianaComan: | (assuming Birdman doesn't mine while sleeping, so took only half-day as it were of actual work for both bot and manual) | [08:55] |
| Birdman: | is it though? head to head i probably mine faster than the bot, but i just dont do it as long ya know | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | how the heck could you mine faster than the bot ? | [08:55] |
| DianaComan: | I REALLY doubt you do it faster than the bot Birdman, lol | [08:56] |
| Birdman: | how do you do the third person thing like *Birdman is saying something in third person | [08:57] |
| Birdman: | and when i mine i do it with no delays, moving the shortest distance between tries you can | [08:57] |
| Birdman: | ive got it to the fastest it can be i think | [08:57] |
| wyrdmantis: | so here i am, hello everyone | [08:59] |
| wyrdmantis: | what i'm supposed to do? | [08:59] |
| Birdman: | Greetings | [09:00] |
| Birdman: | I guess ask mp for an account to play? | [09:00] |
| chetty: | hello, joining the game? | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | /me | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya wyrdmantis | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | can you run the game ? did it get you to the point where it says talk to me ? | [09:06] |
| wyrdmantis: | is logged in, game runs | [09:07] |
| wyrdmantis: | i see foxy :) | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | wyrdmantis o logged in ? so meet me up on that hill with the animated fruitboxes | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima give you some starter stuff. | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know where it is ? | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, wait, if you see foxy... wait a moment there, ima brt/ | [09:09] |
| Birdman: | If you want some work, you could bare handed explore at the worthless putrid leather patch, and ill buy all the enumerations it gives you | [09:09] |
| wyrdmantis: | i'm on the hill whit the craft table and some strange dummy... things | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i hope you enjoy mysteries :D | [09:12] |
| wyrdmantis: | is laughing | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [09:14] |
| wyrdmantis: | thanks mircea_popescu now i'm going to explore | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy! | [09:16] |
| wyrdmantis: | mmm my graphics has something strange now | [09:17] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, so you think you'll be getting high quality clovers soonish? | [09:21] |
| DianaComan: | what's high q for you? | [09:21] |
| DianaComan: | hey wyrdmantis well done! want to do some crafting/building for me? | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol the great thing about eulora is that the moment someone joins, EVERYONE wants to give them quests. | [09:22] |
| wyrdmantis: | i can try :) | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | suddenly feels EVEN MORE very smug and proud of himself | [09:22] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu any more place left for even more of that? lol | [09:23] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, do you have any available now? | [09:23] |
| DianaComan: | lemme check what I have danielpbarron | [09:23] |
| danielpbarron: | wyrdmantis, do you have a craftbot? | [09:23] |
| wyrdmantis: | i see the PG textures all black now | [09:23] |
| danielpbarron: | it's night time | [09:23] |
| wyrdmantis: | danielpbarron no | [09:24] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis come with me for your first build? | [09:24] |
| DianaComan: | I'll give you a quick guide if you want | [09:24] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron 100 tlc 132q | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan it's a wonder isn't it ? how i go about my affairs with this 73 cubic metre head ? | [09:25] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, can i get those? | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | suddenly DianaComan your farming is almost overcraft-u | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | *y | [09:25] |
| danielpbarron: | well 130 beats the 20s i got | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw im looking into mcguyver, it's complicated tho, so may take some time | [09:25] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, that's the best part about the change really: finally it makes sense and I am not with everything in the dead middle | [09:29] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron, what would you sell skill books of gathering for? | [09:29] |
| danielpbarron: | what did the rastrums go for? 100k for 22 of them? | [09:30] |
| danielpbarron: | looking at a minimum of 50k per book, and that's not even factoring in the other ingredients, my skill, etc | [09:30] |
| DianaComan: | I won't be selling rastrums at that price, no | [09:30] |
| DianaComan: | this is what they went for, yes, but it's a huge loss for me, so I will not sell more for now | [09:31] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron what do you want for 1 bp of your 400 gathering book? | [09:31] |
| danielpbarron: | what would you sell them for that wouldn't be a loss? | [09:31] |
| Birdman: | also, if there's any step of production i could help with to keep costs down | [09:31] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, i have no idea what that should be worth at the moment and i'm quite sure it wouldn't go for much in an auction | [09:31] |
| danielpbarron: | so i'm not sure how to price it | [09:32] |
| DianaComan: | see the logs for the numbers on rastrums | [09:34] |
| DianaComan: | not to mention that meanwhile with the q drop, I will not even get that many out of a new table so it's even worse | [09:34] |
| DianaComan: | at least until I get my tinkering q back to what it was | [09:34] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, nope; it's one of those things that we just haven't uncovered enough eulora mystery | [09:36] |
| danielpbarron: | rastrums are made on the turning wheel, and those are in very short supply until someone figures out how to make petrified bubbles or whatever | [09:36] |
| Birdman: | get some crazy fancy bps | [09:37] |
| Birdman: | ill over craft and get some even crazier bps in overcraft | [09:37] |
| danielpbarron: | is it a matter of blueprints? that's a good point maybe it is | [09:38] |
| DianaComan: | no, it's not | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | is it even known on which tool is the bubble made? | [09:38] |
| DianaComan: | I don't think it is made | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | it's a resource? | [09:38] |
| DianaComan: | it is in the mining category so I think it is probably found | [09:38] |
| DianaComan: | I would say so | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | wow | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | were those ever for sale at electron? | [09:38] |
| DianaComan: | no | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't think i've ever seen it | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | do you have a base value? | [09:39] |
| DianaComan: | hmm, it has one, I'll check when I'm back in town | [09:39] |
| danielpbarron: | so there you go Birdman | [09:39] |
| danielpbarron: | it's a gathering thing | [09:39] |
| Birdman: | mm, well ill do some explorative gathering | [09:39] |
| danielpbarron: | idk who is better suited to finding unfound things: the high rank or the low rank gatherers | [09:39] |
| Birdman: | i think im in the best place for hit ratio | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | the lucky and/or systematic gatherers | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | not sure it has anything to do with skill, lol | [09:40] |
| Birdman: | you guys might hit less with more tinies but have a chance at ords and remarks | [09:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess until the other day gathering wasn't even working correctly | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis you can always use /pos in game | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | it will give you the coordinates | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | x y z where y is the height so you can ignore basically | [09:41] |
| danielpbarron: | wyrdmantis, i have stuff you can craft too, but you should probably have some sort of automated thing | [09:41] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok, | [09:41] |
| danielpbarron: | either the craftbot, or a macro | [09:41] |
| danielpbarron: | are you using some sort of linux? | [09:41] |
| DianaComan: | if you use linux wyrdmantis do yourself a favour and get my bots package | [09:41] |
| DianaComan: | it includes a /pilot too which will point you in the right direction for any set of coordinates you care to give it | [09:42] |
| wyrdmantis: | fuck me i'm on windows now... but this situation will change i hope | [09:42] |
| danielpbarron: | oh and when are more chetty sticks going on sale? | [09:42] |
| danielpbarron: | or can they not even be made anymore? | [09:43] |
| wyrdmantis: | what percent i have to train? | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | I was working on a pack of them but maybe hanbot sells some too | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | I recommend full percent wyrdmantis | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i recommend 0\% | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | unless you are aiming to actually be the best at something | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | the way it works is that you gain xp points with each action you do | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | lol, that's a matter of strategy | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | for the beginning let him train at least a few levels until he figures out how to train and what it does,lol | [09:44] |
| danielpbarron: | the higher your rank goes, the less loot you will get, and the less profit | [09:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd rather he stay at rank 1 for as long as possible | [09:44] |
| danielpbarron: | for maximum lootability | [09:44] |
| wyrdmantis: | ahahahha lol | [09:44] |
| DianaComan: | well, that's up to him to decide I'd say | [09:44] |
| wyrdmantis: | is confused | [09:44] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, I can see that | [09:45] |
| DianaComan: | so wyrdmantis: let's focus first on the mechanics | [09:45] |
| Birdman: | probably better off staying low in tinkering | [09:45] |
| DianaComan: | and then in a moment you can have a go at strategy too | [09:45] |
| danielpbarron: | you won't want to rank up tinkering until the market is actually flooded with the lowest quality | [09:45] |
| danielpbarron: | until then, you can get much more profit by not ranking up | [09:45] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, training 1 skill won't do much either way | [09:45] |
| danielpbarron: | err.. building rather | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> were those ever for sale at electron? << electron ever only had the more common shit. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | grins | [09:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i saw wood tripple distilates | [09:46] |
| DianaComan: | so I'd say train it if you want to know at least how that thing works | [09:46] |
| wyrdmantis: | but now i have full percent | [09:46] |
| wyrdmantis: | in all 3 | [09:46] |
| DianaComan: | so, are the bars green/red | [09:46] |
| DianaComan: | ? | [09:46] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes | [09:46] |
| danielpbarron: | which three, gathering, tinkering, and building? | [09:46] |
| DianaComan: | ok, you trained them, well done | [09:46] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes | [09:46] |
| DianaComan: | let's go and build that claim | [09:46] |
| danielpbarron: | wyrdmantis, you can get much more profit from your building if you don't rank it up for now | [09:47] |
| Birdman: | id actually like to know the difference our building would get | [09:47] |
| danielpbarron: | in time, the market will be flooded with low quality harvestables, and you'll probably want to start ranking up to get the average quality stuff | [09:48] |
| DianaComan: | + you lose experience when you don't train basically | [09:48] |
| DianaComan: | so it's your choice of strategy really | [09:49] |
| danielpbarron: | you have to pay for the experience | [09:49] |
| Birdman: | you trade the exp for keeping more loot really | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> i guess until the other day gathering wasn't even working correctly << technically it was over-rewarding | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> oh and when are more chetty sticks going on sale? << well i kinda need someone to get me low sr so i make srs/ft and then she can make more cs | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | who is she? | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | with the quality nerf, can anyone still make a working stick? | [09:50] |
| DianaComan: | yes I can | [09:51] |
| DianaComan: | I made | [09:51] |
| DianaComan: | I still get them 22k+ | [09:51] |
| danielpbarron: | weird | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | I used to get them at 33+ but well | [09:52] |
| Birdman: | ill get ya heaps fast of whatever basics ya want mp | [09:52] |
| danielpbarron: | ah | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | at least now I have large overcraft | [09:52] |
| danielpbarron: | yes please Birdman get shiny rock | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | shiny rock and flotsam Birdman | [09:52] |
| danielpbarron: | this is ridic how i can't use my awesome gathering rank | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> unless you are aiming to actually be the best at something << the problem is that if you never train you never know if you're talented. you could in principle be better than anyone else. | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | danielbarron are you above 430 in gathering? | [09:52] |
| Birdman: | ^ which is what im thinking i am in gathering | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | you may not be the best suited gatherer | [09:53] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, yes | [09:53] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis have you noticed the whisper tab in game? (in the chat window) | [09:53] |
| danielpbarron: | still gathermaster | [09:53] |
| DianaComan: | aha, well done | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | <DianaComan> I still get them 22k+ << i used to make them 41k ;/ | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman sr works. | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | just update shop prices for flotsam and sr | [09:54] |
| DianaComan: | so you prolly still get them at 31k+ | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima update shop nao brb. | [09:54] |
| Birdman: | and ill run numbers to see if its somethin i want to do | [09:54] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis how's it going? | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | well then i'll get a bunch of claims for wyrdmantis to build | [09:54] |
| Birdman: | i have noob mining competition now :/ | [09:55] |
| DianaComan: | is going to open a proper noob school I think | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08Birdman\x08>\x08\x0F i have noob mining competition now :/ <<< hehehehe. and yet another facet of evil comes into light : yes, you get some shit for being a noob. easy to be a noob. EASY TO BE A NOOB. | [09:56] |
| Birdman: | ya ya well my gameplan was high gathering low building | [09:56] |
| Birdman: | so if someone like dan wants to take their presumably valuable time to gather claims, (which you all get tinies and i dont), and then hire other noob, (who is only slightly more noobish in building), to mine claims to get the basics be my guest, im still the most efficient so if someone needs huge amounts im their guy | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | lol noob school | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ANOTHER DREAM COME TRUES | [09:59] |
| danielpbarron: | reads this as free labor | [09:59] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron so far it has been MY labor | [10:00] |
| DianaComan: | still with wyrdmantis showing him around, lol | [10:00] |
| danielpbarron: | how nice of you! | [10:00] |
| DianaComan: | that's what I meant by noob school, regardless of what you thought I meant, lol | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | motherfucker now i have to spend another hour fucking with digits | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | this pricing thing has got to be automated. | [10:01] |
| Birdman: | can i buy lumberjack / mining skills? | [10:04] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | first no, the 2nd not found yet afaik | [10:04] |
| Birdman: | i see | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, at least lotus harlots are 666 ecu now. | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | CLEARLY this update fixed the game. | [10:05] |
| danielpbarron: | huh? | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i see the same 721 | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | haven't updarted it yet. | [10:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | working on it. | [10:07] |
| danielpbarron: | do you mean on your shop page or in the game itself? | [10:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ship page | [10:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll buy all that you got at that price :) | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe k | [10:12] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis trade me | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | making oil i see, i want him to make flasks for me | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << updated. | [10:14] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm pretty sure you mean solid* branch | [10:15] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, there you have it, 75 for shiny rock. go go go | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | a fixed ty | [10:15] |
| Birdman: | im not so sure thats good | [10:16] |
| Birdman: | ill see whats up soon | [10:16] |
| Birdman: | minig sketchy cliffs for st | [10:16] |
| danielpbarron: | wewt, good thing i sold those spicy mosses pre-update | [10:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought crumbly rock would be found on steep cliffs | [10:18] |
| Birdman: | yea, well st would be found in or near water | [10:18] |
| Birdman: | but i dont think it matters | [10:18] |
| Birdman: | logic is that no one's mined here before | [10:18] |
| Birdman: | and if i find em ill be rich | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | o btw, did you want this cr ord danielpbarron ? | [10:19] |
| Birdman: | i'd buy that | [10:19] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, yes | [10:20] |
| danielpbarron: | lol rich | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok well, what do you folks pay ? | [10:20] |
| Birdman: | 10k? | [10:20] |
| danielpbarron: | nods | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh! | [10:22] |
| danielpbarron: | 10.5k ? | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i want.... hm. | [10:22] |
| Birdman: | 10.75k? | [10:22] |
| DianaComan: | "you see what appears to be a totally untrained fool" ahahaha | [10:23] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis, that's your eulora description ftr | [10:23] |
| danielpbarron: | heh untrained fools are in high demand | [10:23] |
| DianaComan: | now I think that's way better than a *trained fool* | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's a deal danielpbarron : you can have it for 10k, but if it pops, i want the popped value worth of the cr from it. so if you dig it up at q20 and it pops 0.10 BTC, i want 10000000 / 73 * .22 = 30k crumbly rocks. | [10:23] |
| DianaComan: | finds this ordinary deal very interesting | [10:24] |
| Birdman: | ^ | [10:24] |
| danielpbarron: | what're the ingredients? | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10 md 4 sg 7 wwb 7 rr 2 nt 3 rf bn sr | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan if nassim taleb were here he'd have an aneurism calculating the value of the optionalities involved. | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | in retrospect i would say the error of every single other game maker is that they never were exposed in their childhood to the wisdom of "un nebun arunca o piatra in lac si zece filosofi se caznesc s-o scoata." | [10:28] |
| DianaComan: | ahahaha, exact aia-mi trecea prin cap | [10:30] |
| Birdman: | this game runs alot smoother for me under water | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, how about for 25\% of the pop value? | [10:36] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman you can adjust graphics q as far as I know and even get rid of some fancy stuff if it's really a problem | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron 20k and 1/4 of the value. | [10:38] |
| DianaComan: | oh wow mircea_popescu dm don't make any difference above 150 or what? | [10:41] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, gotta get a load of tlc then I suppose | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan huh ? | [10:42] |
| DianaComan: | dm has only one entry, for "any q" - I was just a bit surprised it didn't have one for above 155 or whatever, that's all | [10:44] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron I'll sell those 100 tlc of 132q for 2k each, let me know if that works for you | [10:45] |
| Birdman: | location determines difficulty or gathering, not the resource that is there right? | [10:45] |
| DianaComan: | where did you get that from, Birdman? | [10:46] |
| Birdman: | seems some places i find lots of something really easily, others is insanely hard for things i get easily elsewhere | [10:46] |
| Birdman: | took like an entire tool and a half to find a single tpt claim way out in nowhere | [10:46] |
| DianaComan: | obv nobody really knows, but I'd say first resource makes the difference, then possibly the "spot" if there even is such a thing | [10:46] |
| DianaComan: | do you find tpt easily in other places? | [10:46] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [10:47] |
| Birdman: | easier than fuckin 50+ tries | [10:47] |
| DianaComan: | maybe you got onto something other than tpt right there, lol | [10:47] |
| Birdman: | well, i was excited thinking i might have stumbled onto some canines or st | [10:48] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, deal | [10:48] |
| Birdman: | just tpt though | [10:48] |
| DianaComan: | ok danielpbarron - 5 min to finish this craft | [10:48] |
| Birdman: | found a spot where i was finding lots of sm too, and the place right next to town is pretty difficult for me | [10:48] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, gonna have to turn yours down. too complicated for just 1 claim i think | [10:48] |
| DianaComan: | how do you know Birdman it's just tpt? ftr there is one dungbeetle spot in a tpt spot I can see on my map | [10:48] |
| Birdman: | good point, i wasnt aware of how small a patch of resources could really be | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | beetle is very hard to find | [10:49] |
| DianaComan: | oh, *very* small | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i used 14 sticks and got 0 ords | [10:49] |
| Birdman: | i did keep the mining to a very small spot but maybe not that small | [10:49] |
| Birdman: | heh ill go back then, maybe i found some gud stuf | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | apparently the snakeskin exists in a spot about the size of a eulorian | [10:50] |
| DianaComan: | ^ | [10:50] |
| danielpbarron: | or is it *an eulorian | [10:50] |
| DianaComan: | well, it's not from alien snakes now, is it? | [10:51] |
| Birdman: | ive yet to see any flying tigers or giants with barbed clubs | [10:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean the grammatical consideration | [10:51] |
| danielpbarron: | haha the splash screen | [10:51] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i was trying to figure out where the giant is supposed to be standing | [10:51] |
| Birdman: | i saw the cave too, did some exploreing to see if i could find something cave live | [10:52] |
| DianaComan: | would prefer not to start seeing barbed clubs and the like, lol | [10:52] |
| Birdman: | like* | [10:52] |
| danielpbarron: | or maybe where he might go to have dental work done | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron k | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan all i use them for is the cheez. | [10:53] |
| DianaComan: | by now I probably get overcraft to make the cheese myself and then sell it to you for the next step | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | <Birdman> took like an entire tool and a half to find a single tpt claim way out in nowhere << might be because it's surrounded by hard stuff | [10:54] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron trade for tlc | [10:54] |
| Birdman: | gonna go find out for certain | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | <Birdman> found a spot where i was finding lots of sm too, and the place right next to town is pretty difficult for me << maybe the well known places get exhausted | [10:55] |
| Birdman: | had that thought too, but the cdg hasnt and ive mined that insanely | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08danielpbarron\x08>\x08\x0F yeah i was trying to figure out where the giant is supposed to be standing << i like how creative this guy is :D | [10:55] |
| DianaComan: | I actually had the same idea at first | [10:56] |
| DianaComan: | kind of gave up on that quickly, lol | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool :D\ | [10:56] |
| danielpbarron: | alright cool now i have what i need for this wyrd guy to make some spicy moss for me | [10:56] |
| Birdman: | mining the cleavage of two mountains, in a very small straight line already through the better part of a tool with nothing found | [11:06] |
| Birdman: | sneaking suspicion im gonna just find som regular crap | [11:06] |
| DianaComan: | that's the right spirit of the explorer - take them unaware, lol | [11:07] |
| Birdman: | tpt | [11:07] |
| Birdman: | maybe after this update i just suck at tpt | [11:07] |
| Birdman: | congrats on pop! | [11:17] |
| DianaComan: | yay, 400 stick bps! | [11:17] |
| DianaComan: | finally, lol | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | who got whjat ? | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey wd diana. how much was it ? | [11:24] |
| DianaComan: | not even worth a mention apparently, but I'm happy anyway as I was running low on those | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | there are worser thingd than a loose leaf binder of 400 cs bps lol | [11:25] |
| DianaComan: | certainly | [11:26] |
| DianaComan: | take that back: it was 0.01 btc apparently, I did not even see it - wyrdmantis saw it though | [11:26] |
| Birdman: | what it didnt say it on your screen? | [11:28] |
| danielpbarron: | saw it | [11:28] |
| danielpbarron: | the one who causes it usually has a bunch of other stuff scroll by | [11:28] |
| DianaComan: | it must have said it but I wasn't there, lol | [11:28] |
| Birdman: | true | [11:29] |
| Birdman: | alright ill see whats up with sr now | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah im mining and too lazy to dig in the log | [11:29] |
| Birdman: | survey markers future buildings? | [11:30] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah who's been making those | [11:31] |
| DianaComan: | I think they are claims from way way back? | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | they can't be made. not yet. | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | eulora includes hooks for future land ownership | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | nyi. | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [11:36] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu will it crash the server if I give wyrdmantis to do some mcguyver while he doesn't have the skill for it? | [11:40] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [11:41] |
| chetty: | uh it might | [11:44] |
| danielpbarron: | it didn't used to | [11:44] |
| danielpbarron: | we have done plenty of unskilled mcguyvering and gung-ho gumboing | [11:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the problem with sacrifice is that it is the tinkering of its tab | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah i don't think it will | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | go ahead | [11:53] |
| DianaComan: | sacrifice? | [11:53] |
| DianaComan: | isn't sacrifice in its own tab? | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | sacrifice crashes it, yet. tiny fix needed. | [11:54] |
| DianaComan: | ah, just sacrifice, ok | [11:55] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron ever got any double distillate bps from that gung-ho ? | [12:02] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [12:03] |
| DianaComan: | ahhh, finally a bundle q6, delightful | [12:04] |
| wyrdmantis: | bbl | [12:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | eeee 5k grass :D | [13:58] |
| danielpbarron: | ? | [14:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | a decent ord. | [14:02] |
| danielpbarron: | tries his hand at some toothpaste cooking | [14:10] |
| danielpbarron: | making quality 80something now | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty lousy. | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, anyone want high q grass ? 206 no less. | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | isn't low quality what's needed? | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is nowadays high q i guess | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | well by me, yes. by you, i dunno. | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | psh i still have over 2 stacks of 1000 quality grass | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie 20k ? | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | epic. how much for one ? | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | so my idea is to make low quality toothpaste so someone else can make sticks | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | not really looking to sell them | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you got low q ppb as well i'd love to make sticks. | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | yes i will see what i can do | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | want to buy some of my higher q sb ? | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | how much | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima check next im in town | [14:14] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron mircea_popescu I just finished making a set of 20 sticks, do you want them? | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought dpb wanted them. anyway, how much ? | [14:51] |
| DianaComan: | that's why I asked both of you to know whether you both want them or just one or what | [14:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i do | [14:53] |
| DianaComan: | last lot went for 29k each iirc | [14:55] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu ^ | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q are they, 20 ? | [14:55] |
| DianaComan: | yes, 20221 | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | 145\% hm. | [14:56] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron 29k each is still fine? | [14:56] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [14:56] |
| DianaComan: | kk, then I'll be in town in a few minutes | [14:56] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu it was the price got through auction really | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh. ntohing wrong with it, but i'd rather hoe atm. | [14:57] |
| DianaComan: | sure, no worries at all | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | kind-of a waste to use it on grass, and not so much incentive to use it in lumbering. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe once stocks draw down | [14:58] |
| DianaComan: | oh, I wouldn't use it on grass either, true | [14:58] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, you're holding out on me? | [15:00] |
| danielpbarron: | game glitch reveals to me you kept 8 | [15:01] |
| DianaComan: | yes, I kept some for me, lol | [15:01] |
| DianaComan: | how is that holding out on you? | [15:01] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy the othe 8 too | [15:01] |
| DianaComan: | 20 for sale, 10 for me, I used 2 already, lol | [15:01] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, I'll make some more but now I need those to get stuff too | [15:02] |
| danielpbarron: | man you guys with high building don't need sticks | [15:03] |
| danielpbarron: | you can affod to do tinies | [15:03] |
| DianaComan: | heh, I need them for wyrd, lol | [15:03] |
| DianaComan: | wb wyrdmantis | [15:03] |
| wyrdmantis: | hei :) | [15:04] |
| danielpbarron: | wyrdmantis, ready to build my claims yet? | [15:04] |
| wyrdmantis: | i need coffee, 1 sec | [15:05] |
| wyrdmantis: | danielpbarron i have to unweight | [15:06] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis have you finished that craft run so that we can settle it? | [15:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i've noticed my cooking quality doesn't go up as i rank up | [15:07] |
| wyrdmantis: | DianaComan not yet :D can i give you a part of? | [15:07] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe similar problem to mcguyvering | [15:07] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, it makes it rather messy really, would prefer it in full | [15:07] |
| DianaComan: | maybe finish it first and then you go with daniel to his claims ? | [15:07] |
| DianaComan: | otherwise if you insist, you can store the stuff and then get it back | [15:08] |
| DianaComan: | use heina or spirover, the bag icon | [15:08] |
| wyrdmantis: | ah, mmm let me see | [15:08] |
| wyrdmantis: | danielpbarron can you wait? | [15:09] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [15:10] |
| danielpbarron: | are you crafting by hand? | [15:10] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | ouch | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, handcrafted | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | woodcutter over here | [15:13] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes i need to figure out | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | or w/e his name was | [15:13] |
| wyrdmantis: | a way | [15:13] |
| wyrdmantis: | i have to make some script? | [15:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i use xmacro | [15:14] |
| danielpbarron: | everyone else uses foxy's bot | [15:15] |
| DianaComan: | I think Birdman also uses the macro | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | he uses some windows thing | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | similar to xmacro | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | he does the gathering by hand i think though | [15:16] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok but... what is the command to put items on the table? | [15:16] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't have the bot.. | [15:17] |
| danielpbarron: | so there is no command | [15:17] |
| wyrdmantis: | ah ok... so i suppose you have to wait :( | [15:17] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis my bot is integrated into the client so it basically means that you'll have an additional command to run it so that it does all the crafting and gathering by itself | [15:18] |
| DianaComan: | but well..the code is there, either you compile it into the windows client or otherwise get yourself some linux box | [15:18] |
| wyrdmantis: | sounds like cheating :D | [15:18] |
| DianaComan: | what? lol | [15:18] |
| DianaComan: | being more efficient is cheating now? | [15:19] |
| DianaComan: | lolz | [15:19] |
| wyrdmantis: | i'm joking | [15:19] |
| danielpbarron: | this isn't like all those other scam games that forbid botting and selling game currency | [15:19] |
| DianaComan: | ^ | [15:20] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of which, I bought some coppers from birdman today | [15:20] |
| danielpbarron: | made 50k | [15:20] |
| DianaComan: | oh, why wouldn't he sell it to jurov? | [15:20] |
| danielpbarron: | and i recall a while back he gave me 20 dollars for the ingredients to make a pickaxe so he could have his own crafted for that special event | [15:20] |
| danielpbarron: | shrugs | [15:20] |
| wyrdmantis: | DianaComan ok i've downloaded foxybot minimal version. On your blog you say i have only to put it on the client folder, correct? | [15:27] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, that's version 1.1 I assume, so you'd need to overwrite the files in the client folder and then compile, yes | [15:29] |
| DianaComan: | did you compile the client before? | [15:29] |
| wyrdmantis: | i've not compiled anything | [15:30] |
| DianaComan: | so maybe try first to compile the client as it is | [15:31] |
| DianaComan: | if that works, it will work with the bot too | [15:31] |
| DianaComan: | if however that doesn't work, then you need to sort that out first | [15:31] |
| DianaComan: | it is new code, you need to compile the client afterwards for it to work | [15:31] |
| wyrdmantis: | it's the part where it says i need visual studio and all? | [15:32] |
| DianaComan: | for windows yes | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | barfs | [15:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | oook | [15:32] |
| DianaComan: | I don't know whether jurov planned any binary release with the bot in it too | [15:33] |
| DianaComan: | otherwise it will be at some point part of the official client and therefore in there, but ...some release later | [15:33] |
| wyrdmantis: | but there's also version foxtbot 1.2!! | [15:33] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, but you still need to compile, lol | [15:33] |
| DianaComan: | there will soon be foxybot 1.3 too (or so is my current plan) | [15:34] |
| wyrdmantis: | i'll see if i can install visual studio, in the meantime i'll do manual crafting :( | [15:42] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, you might be better off installing some virtual machine if nothing else | [15:43] |
| DianaComan: | I think the latest virtual box supports all the graphics stuff too, so it should work to run the game in it, though not sure why won't you install some linux simply | [15:44] |
| wyrdmantis: | virtualbox? | [15:44] |
| DianaComan: | or some other virtual machine, don't know anymore which one is more reasonable | [15:45] |
| DianaComan: | virtualbox was taken by oracle so I'm kind of suspicious of it really | [15:45] |
| wyrdmantis: | you are right, i should wipe out windows | [15:45] |
| wyrdmantis: | or dual boot, maybe | [15:46] |
| DianaComan: | wiping it out is best, but at least dual boot, yes | [15:48] |
| wyrdmantis: | what linux do you think is best? | [15:49] |
| wyrdmantis: | gentoo? | [15:50] |
| DianaComan: | I guess I'd say gentoo or some older version of ubuntu; I have on this machine xubuntu as it was waaaay less bloated than ubuntu | [15:51] |
| danielpbarron: | trinque made a sort-of auto installer for gentoo | [15:52] |
| danielpbarron: | search b-a logs for that | [15:52] |
| wyrdmantis: | danielpbarron found an old dpaste link but is expired | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | keep looking | [15:59] |
| Birdman: | last call for that 100k grass or im just gonna end it now | [16:02] |
| Birdman: | also jurov wanted me to buy his copper, not to buy mine if i remember correctly | [16:06] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | do you want the rest of my grass at 60ea? | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | its ~ 30k | [16:07] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | so what could i do to have some cs made for me? get many ppb? | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't need sticks | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | i dont need alot of things | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | maybe you dont need cs | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman iirc he does both | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | there aren't enough sticks to go around and you get smalls with basics so stick to that | [16:09] |
| Birdman: | make me some skill books then? | [16:09] |
| Birdman: | oh, we were missing a resource | [16:09] |
| Birdman: | never mind | [16:09] |
| Birdman: | hit rates for sr are lookin pretty crappy so far | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | probably wont end up doin these | [16:12] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman have you tried flotsam? | [16:13] |
| Birdman: | not yet | [16:13] |
| Birdman: | after this run ill go look into it, its also needed? | [16:13] |
| DianaComan: | don't know in general, but I need it, yes, lol | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | in what quantity? | [16:14] |
| DianaComan: | I'll gladly take 10k if the price works for me | [16:14] |
| DianaComan: | or more for that matter | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | shoot me some numbers | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | I find f by the shipwreck right? | [16:15] |
| DianaComan: | hm, I'll always buy at 125\% base value adjusted for q pretty much as much as there is; other than that, so far I can pay max 80 for flotsam at any q | [16:17] |
| DianaComan: | yes, on that beach, there are some ordinaries too | [16:17] |
| DianaComan: | and in the water, sure | [16:17] |
| Birdman: | 80 huh, right next to town too, ill do a few tool runs | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | why'd he sell you f at 80 when i pay 86 ? | [16:20] |
| DianaComan: | oh, you pay 86? | [16:21] |
| danielpbarron: | yeh i was gonna say, i'd also pay more | [16:21] |
| DianaComan: | goes to check | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | i was gonna check against your store too | [16:21] |
| danielpbarron: | ok then let me offer 87 heh | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | hm | [16:21] |
| DianaComan: | true, so there is your answer Birdman: it is needed in general | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | i am also open to the idea of auctioning my work | [16:21] |
| DianaComan: | ha ha | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | <wyrdmantis> sounds like cheating :D << eulora is different from "AAA titles", as some wanna-be artist was pointing out. | [16:22] |
| danielpbarron: | also, what price can i get on the flotsam if you leave it locked in claims and sell me the keys? | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | i think im just gonna take that as cream on the top for me | [16:23] |
| danielpbarron: | what does that mean | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | <DianaComan> I don't know whether jurov planned any binary release with the bot in it too << i suspect he's waiting for it to make it into mainstream release. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | which it is going to, just as soon as chetty's back on the horse. | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | im not gonna offer a better price because i dont have to move it | [16:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't think anyone else is willing to buy locked claims full | [16:24] |
| Birdman: | only saves me a single table full trip, table holds 90k | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | table should hold 15984 | [16:25] |
| danielpbarron: | 16 * 9999 | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | oh thought it was 3x3 for some reason | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | even better | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | i would love to test a pickaxe on sr | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | for a basic harvest its insanely hard with a hoe | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of which, i still have those pointy clumps of slag | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh right. you in town danielpbarron ? | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | can be | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright ima come over. | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-12-08.log.html#t19:49:56 | [16:32] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-12-08 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | counting the sb atm | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron so i got 2692 q 279 | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2692 * 58 * 2.79 = 435619.44, how's 575k sound. | [16:34] |
| danielpbarron: | sounds too steep | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... the thing is these aren't replaceable atm afaik, and the only way to get ppb bps is through oc | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | but what do you wanna pay ? | [16:34] |
| danielpbarron: | 545k | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | im not selling sb i can't replace at 125\%, so there's that. | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much was i paying for the slag ? | [16:35] |
| danielpbarron: | 577950 | [16:36] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, pretty close | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | ol | [16:36] |
| Birdman: | 16/99 on sr | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | darn i lost my table | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | still has his original table | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | using this latest batch of sticks on crab shells | [16:40] |
| Birdman: | i was thinking of doing that too dan | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | worth lots, could use a few ords of it | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | you just keep making basics | [16:41] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, I have one crab shell ord | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | haven't found an ord yet | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | 6 sticks in | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | except one spicy moss where i accidentally went out of bounds | [16:41] |
| DianaComan: | oh, this I think is found with a hoe really | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | i just want to use a cs | [16:42] |
| DianaComan: | back to tlc being a huge pain, sigh | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | they seem bad ass, and i need some things divined | [16:42] |
| DianaComan: | lol Birdman, so how much would you pay for 1 cs then? | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | nearly what dan just paid for one | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | just a bit more | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | it would probably give me an entire level right there right? | [16:43] |
| DianaComan: | what's your gathering level? | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | about to be 84 | [16:44] |
| DianaComan: | it would give you roughly what 100 hoe uses would give you | [16:44] |
| DianaComan: | probably you'd get one level there, yes | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | imp hoes? | [16:44] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, basic hoes: one cs uses up ~20k | [16:44] |
| Birdman: | wow lol more than a single level | [16:44] |
| DianaComan: | at 84 could be | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | it is | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | its around 3 imp hoes i level | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | so im making pickaxes q 13865 | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | so im buyin em i guess | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | suddenl;y the old 9.3k electron hoes are very good now | [16:45] |
| DianaComan: | ^^^ | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | not a crazy amount though, its just exploratory right now to see if there's a difference | [16:45] |
| DianaComan: | remembers buying electron out of hoes | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | how is 9.3k better than 13.8? | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i didnt say better. | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but iirc i used to make these more like 25k or saome shit. | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | those were the imps | [16:46] |
| DianaComan: | 29k you mean mircea_popescu | [16:46] |
| DianaComan: | I used up the last 2 of those yest, lol | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | werent those the imps ? | [16:47] |
| DianaComan: | ahh, imps, true | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah imps i was making 30k+-, | [16:47] |
| danielpbarron: | 13.8 for a basic sounds pretty hig | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i see in notes the basics were 18-19k reallyu | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway... considering i paid dpg 11.5k each fort the slag... | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | sucks to be me! | [16:48] |
| DianaComan: | I just threw 200k into a bloody farming level and it barely moved | [16:48] |
| DianaComan: | .... | [16:48] |
| DianaComan: | don't even want to think what level 200 of farming takes | [16:49] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis you left some moss on the table | [16:50] |
| wyrdmantis: | server not responding | [16:51] |
| DianaComan: | hmm, it works from here | [16:51] |
| DianaComan: | sometimes I get that weird behaviour, couldn't figure out why/when exactly | [16:51] |
| wyrdmantis: | mayybe it's only my shit router | [16:53] |
| Birdman: | what you just chuck the old cs dan?> | [16:55] |
| DianaComan: | hm, so I make 99q on the samovar | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | ive been wondering | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | why are there ordinaries all over the place unused? | [17:01] |
| DianaComan: | some of them take rotten canines for instance, Birdman | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | Right, but alot of them dont | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | i mean the ones that dont | [17:02] |
| DianaComan: | owners obviously either can't or won't build them at this moment, no? | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch DianaComan | [17:06] |
| Birdman: | well if anyone wants to sell any of them, ill buy | [17:06] |
| DianaComan: | it still actually seems better than the mcguyver thing: I don't even have 70 in cooking | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | then again, who knows how many levels would barely give me 1p increase | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | hmmm, guess I should level at least 1 up to see if it makes any difference | [17:11] |
| DianaComan: | nope, no difference | [17:15] |
| DianaComan: | foxy is almost entirely immune to other than basic skills, lol | [17:15] |
| hanbot: | danielpbarron are you missing a chetty stick here? | [17:15] |
| Birdman: | well ive gone through nearly 2 tools on this one spot with no hit, hopefully its st | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan i'd expect you'd need more than 1 level to get 1 q point | [17:15] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, the question is how many | [17:16] |
| DianaComan: | more than 17 as with mcguyver | [17:16] |
| DianaComan: | 100? lol | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q do you make with mcguyver agai n? | [17:16] |
| DianaComan: | let me check again | [17:16] |
| DianaComan: | 111 | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | 157 difference in levels between mcguyver and gung-ho | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | translated into...12q points difference | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | go me | [17:20] |
| DianaComan: | so if I get more than 1 point for 13 levels up in cooking, I could even consider it some sort of...talent ahahaha | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so quals 111 in mcguyver, ? in tinkering, ? in cooking, | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | skills ? ? ? | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | 111 in tinkering | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | 99 in cooking | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | so 111 mcguyver, 111 tink, 99 cooking | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | basically the diff is cook vs mcguyver | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | as both use tink which is same | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | and as I said above, the diff is 157 levels mcguyver > cooking | [17:25] |
| DianaComan: | which apparently translates in 12 point higher q on mcguyver than I get in cooking | [17:25] |
| DianaComan: | lol | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like 13ish | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | levels per point | [17:25] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, as I said above | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i dun see errors in here. it can happen for two lines to have the same q's. | [17:26] |
| DianaComan: | the problem is not as much that they have the same q | [17:27] |
| DianaComan: | more that the increase in mcguyver somehow doesn't seem to do anything for foxy | [17:27] |
| DianaComan: | then again, if that's pretty much what happens for her on all the additional skills anyway, it's prolly nothing wrong with the calculations | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if you have say 500 tinkering and 300 mcguyering which ield q 100 say. | [17:27] |
| DianaComan: | 472 tink | [17:28] |
| DianaComan: | 225 mcguyver | [17:28] |
| DianaComan: | yield 111q | [17:28] |
| DianaComan: | what do you have ? | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 750/360 | [17:29] |
| DianaComan: | and you get 140q ? | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | tinkering 148 now yeah | [17:29] |
| DianaComan: | so 37q points on tink for 250 levels ... | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so technically, let's just take the tinkering. your 472 gets 111 ; that's 4.252252252 / q point | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | my 750 gets 149, that's 5.067567568 q / point | [17:30] |
| DianaComan: | sorry, more than 250, I looked in the wrong place | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the basis of this you're better off. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, we can't really compare until you also get either 750 or 149 | [17:31] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, there is the non-linearity, but in any case, that's quite a huge diff in skill compared to the diff in q | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the COST to get a skill is nonlinear, esp on the short term | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | but once you got the skill we dunno how linear it is or isn't. | [17:32] |
| DianaComan: | kind of hard to tell given all the jerking around too, but I'd say it never looked fully linear, lol | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yerah guess not. | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | at any rate, if your 4.25 stuff sticks then your tink q at 750 should be 176 | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | a damn sight better than mine. | [17:34] |
| DianaComan: | pretty much no support for the theory that it would stick | [17:34] |
| DianaComan: | what q do you get on cooking? | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | well we dunno, afaik nobody actually did numbers b4 | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least these are some datapoints. | [17:35] |
| DianaComan: | well, secretz and all that | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan i've not done any cooking, waiting on sr to make some ft | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | not done any mcguyver either. waiting for bms | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh speaking of which, /me just remembered he has an outstanding deal for a shitton of bottles from dpb, which he had priced at 210 but now will have to craft at 150 | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy fucksticks that's like 3mn i just lost | [17:36] |
| Birdman: | well after 3 tools worth of gathering, what i thought was a really difficult spot, i got 2 small wpl claims | [17:36] |
| Birdman: | so i think difficulty has something to do with location | [17:36] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman do you really get NO tiny claims at all? | [17:37] |
| Birdman: | Yeh, less i bare handed or off hand gather | [17:37] |
| DianaComan: | guess your character does have something special going on for gathering | [17:38] |
| Birdman: | mhm, thats why i wanna bost it up high quick | [17:38] |
| DianaComan: | never saw that in any combination, except I suppose waaaay in the beginning when I was getting pretty much ONLY smalls or more | [17:38] |
| DianaComan: | so what's your gathering now? | [17:38] |
| Birdman: | 84 | [17:38] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, then why not buy the books getting you to 100? | [17:39] |
| DianaComan: | those are around | [17:39] |
| DianaComan: | it's the ones getting you to 200 more of a problem | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | might even be worth it, they weren't THAT expensive. | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | well they're more expensive than cs right? | [17:39] |
| DianaComan: | ah, one cs still gives you 1 level, then yes | [17:40] |
| DianaComan: | but you need cs, lol | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | yes | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | ill buy as many as you can make | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | and one cs will give me 2 levels no sweat, more like 6 if it could | [17:40] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman> what you just chuck the old cs dan?> << whoops, forgot it was in my hand | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | hanbot> danielpbarron are you missing a chetty stick here? << yes ty | [17:52] |
| DianaComan: | well then, 5 more sticks I have so far danielpbarron Birdman | [17:53] |
| DianaComan: | 20221q each | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i want | [17:56] |
| DianaComan: | and Birdman has vanished, lol | [17:56] |
| danielpbarron: | 145k for the lot? | [17:57] |
| DianaComan: | guess he'll wait for the next batch then | [17:57] |
| DianaComan: | yes danielpbarron | [17:57] |
| DianaComan: | omg danielpbarron is an expert in childbirth and garden of eden happenings | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | heh | [18:21] |
| DianaComan: | I'll say just this danielpbarron: if you think abortion is "for the woman's convenience" you have no idea what you are talking about | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | oh? | [18:21] |
| DianaComan: | go and talk to women who went through both and they'll tell you which one they'd prefer actually any time | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | they probably prefer giving birth | [18:22] |
| DianaComan: | out of curiosity: what do you do when *men* impose the abortion on the woman - not at all for her convenience | [18:22] |
| DianaComan: | then what? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | convenience is not limited to the birth itself | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | such men should also be stoned to death | [18:23] |
| DianaComan: | also, mk | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | men impose abortions ? | [18:24] |
| DianaComan: | "for the woman's convenience" is at most to have the child and give it away /abandon it; an abortion is never really a convenience | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i wish more would give birth and give it away | [18:25] |
| DianaComan: | not all, not always, etc, but uhm, their woman, they say what to do, yes | [18:25] |
| DianaComan: | or that's not imposing you mean? | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, just trying to figure out how that'd work | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | generally societies where women don't get a say are kinda pro-litter | [18:25] |
| DianaComan: | oh, it's used as "contraceptive method" in rural Romania, never seen/heard of that? | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, but the men generally don't gaf. | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | wasn't someone of the ro commenters telling about his granma who had 20 of the things because her husband literally couldn't care less and she didn't want to raise 20 kids ? | [18:26] |
| DianaComan: | I'm sure there are like that too, possibly even more than the other case, sure | [18:27] |
| DianaComan: | I'm not saying it's the norm or something; I was just curious given daniel's strong statement | [18:27] |
| DianaComan: | + for that matter china's forced abortions stories assuming that they are not just stories, ofc | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah the one kid per fambly thing, yeah. good point. | [18:29] |
| Birdman: | When will you have more cs dianacoman? | [19:24] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron | [19:34] |
| Birdman: | you around to get that grass | [19:34] |
| danielpbarron: | in half an hour yeah | [19:35] |
| Birdman: | kk | [19:35] |
| Birdman: | also buying all remarkables 100k each | [19:58] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [20:00] |
| danielpbarron: | having never built one? | [20:00] |
| Birdman: | yes | [20:00] |
| danielpbarron: | just guessing at a price? | [20:00] |
| Birdman: | i have an idea | [20:00] |
| danielpbarron: | i should get around to building some of mine | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | just the recipe for a remarkable is 3-4-500k | [20:01] |
| Birdman: | only 500k? | [20:01] |
| Birdman: | might be worth less than 100k then | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ... | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | who;s going to give you a 500k item for "less than100k" ? | [20:02] |
| Birdman: | still, considering none have been built id buy for 100k each just saying | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | admtting the stick's free somehow. | [20:02] |
| Birdman: | how much do ordinary bundles cost? | [20:02] |
| danielpbarron: | well in that case i suppose i'd pay twice the ennumeration base value for a remarkable | [20:02] |
| Birdman: | ords go for like 10k | [20:02] |
| Birdman: | whats the bv on one? | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | the bundle is probably like 100k for ord | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i have it on my table | [20:03] |
| Birdman: | yeah, i was thinking 50k for a 500k bundle claim | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | ah nm | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | it's 15k | [20:03] |
| Birdman: | bundle for the ords are 15k? | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | but if you're overloading them well, that's multiplied by 2 or 3 | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bundle cost is like 10-20k, making the enum itself worth 1-2k or thereabouts. | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno that i'd sell a remarkable for 10x the enum mkt value. | [20:04] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of which i have 6 or 7 spicy moss ordinary claim/enum/bundles ready to build; trying to get wyrd on that | [20:04] |
| Birdman: | the enum on ord or remark? | [20:04] |
| Birdman: | being 1-2k | [20:05] |
| danielpbarron: | my spicy moss bundles are quality 649 :D | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman take one to electron sometime see what he says | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron wow. how the hell ?! | [20:05] |
| danielpbarron: | due in part to my grass and molluscs being over 1k q | [20:05] |
| Birdman: | i dont have any remarkable enums | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | omfg. | [20:05] |
| danielpbarron: | hehehehe | [20:05] |
| danielpbarron: | and also those 199 shrooms i got from you before the great quality collapse | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | those are sweet huh | [20:06] |
| danielpbarron: | oh yeah | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got a few stashed myself. if only i had known... | [20:06] |
| hanbot: | danielpbarron wouldja sell those sm bundles to me? | [20:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the weakest link in my bundle is the clovers i got today, only 132 q | [20:06] |
| hanbot: | for say 200k each? | [20:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally danielpbarron you selling any of those 1k q molluscs ? | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could make some decent cheese with that. | [20:09] |
| danielpbarron: | haha defo not 200k each | [20:09] |
| danielpbarron: | more like 1mn | [20:09] |
| hanbot: | ahwell then. gl! | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the base value on those things ? | [20:09] |
| danielpbarron: | 14375 * 6.49 = 93293 | [20:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol > 10x ? | [20:10] |
| danielpbarron: | that's including the claim and ennumeration | [20:11] |
| danielpbarron: | and yeah i suppose 1mn is too high | [20:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah but iirc you think an ord claim + enum is 10k :D | [20:11] |
| hanbot: | excitement fee! :D | [20:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [20:11] |
| hanbot: | rustproofing! | [20:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey. how are you gonna start the car! | [20:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess i shouldn't mention numbers of things i wasn't looking to sell | [20:12] |
| Birdman: | ehh flotsam isnt lookin too great number wise | [20:14] |
| Birdman: | good hit rate if not slightly better than grass, but low yield | [20:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i wonder if you'd get better results from my claims after the quality adjustment | [20:16] |
| danielpbarron: | for those who weren't aware, he was getting about the same output from his smalls as he was getting from mine | [20:16] |
| danielpbarron: | and we have wildly different gathering ranks | [20:16] |
| Birdman: | i got *better* from my claims than from diana's too | [20:17] |
| danielpbarron: | didn't that happen after the fix? | [20:17] |
| Birdman: | and equal from my claims using basics and imps | [20:17] |
| Birdman: | yeah i think so | [20:17] |
| danielpbarron: | makes me think that gatheing rank has nothing to do with the output of the claims | [20:18] |
| Birdman: | it doesnt | [20:18] |
| danielpbarron: | it doesn't have to do? or doesn't have nothing to do? | [20:18] |
| Birdman: | i dont think it has to do with the output | [20:18] |
| Birdman: | it would have to do with the enumeration q right | [20:19] |
| danielpbarron: | and yet people say the tool used effects the output | [20:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i doubt it | [20:19] |
| Birdman: | that for sure has nothing to do with it | [20:19] |
| danielpbarron: | blueprint quality doesn't have effect on output of crafting, i believe | [20:19] |
| Birdman: | no i mean, if it was to have an effect, itd be because of the q of the enumeration | [20:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't think so | [20:19] |
| danielpbarron: | ennumeration quality effects overcraft of supplications | [20:19] |
| Birdman: | thats what gathering tangibly effects, the q of enum and hit rate | [20:20] |
| Birdman: | ... | [20:20] |
| Birdman: | do you understand what im saying | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but i heard that ennumerations aren't going to come from gathering for ever | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | just a temporary thing | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i think gathering exclusively effects the hit rate | [20:21] |
| danielpbarron: | and perhaps plays a role in other skills listed in that tab | [20:21] |
| danielpbarron: | such as lumberjack farming and sortage | [20:21] |
| Birdman: | i thought sortage was under build tab | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't have that yet? | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | because that does effect the output of your builds | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | wuuut | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | plot twist | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah that's a thing to be had now | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | how to get? | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | ever since Mircea got rank 200 and got blueprints for the skill book | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | do i even want that? will my over craft stay the same with a q boost? | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | you probably don't want for now | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | especially at the price he's currently asking | [20:22] |
| Birdman: | cant reverse it so better play it safe | [20:23] |
| danielpbarron: | although 100k (i think it was?) isn't that bad for someone who actually wants it | [20:23] |
| Birdman: | what q threads you makin | [20:27] |
| danielpbarron: | 107 now | [20:27] |
| danielpbarron: | :< | [20:27] |
| Birdman: | can i buy the rest of the 141's? | [20:27] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [20:28] |
| danielpbarron: | using those to make flasks | [20:28] |
| Birdman: | ah | [20:28] |
| Birdman: | still have over 10k left so no worries | [20:28] |
| danielpbarron: | we elders of eulora have some soon to be mythical quality items | [20:29] |
| Birdman: | why do you say that | [20:30] |
| danielpbarron: | well Mircea has the highest tinkering rank and his stuff now comes out around 150 | [20:30] |
| danielpbarron: | so it seems like 200+ stuff is already hopeless | [20:30] |
| danielpbarron: | unless the other skills in that tab work similar to sortage and the like | [20:31] |
| danielpbarron: | but from what i've heard, that isn't the case | [20:32] |
| Birdman: | ill be in town in like 5 | [20:32] |
| Birdman: | want ~ 5.5k flotsam for 90 a piece? | [20:33] |
| danielpbarron: | 90!? | [20:34] |
| Birdman: | 3 more!? im making a little more than half of what i do on grass | [20:35] |
| Birdman: | for more work | [20:35] |
| Birdman: | and also its over 6k, cant get this quantity so readily | [20:35] |
| danielpbarron: | difference is like 2 or 3 million per month | [20:38] |
| danielpbarron: | man i miss my old quality | [20:39] |
| danielpbarron: | pouts | [20:39] |
| Birdman: | idk how you could possibly figure that out dan | [20:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy those up for 90 in an instant pre-nerf | [20:40] |
| danielpbarron: | it's 15 seconds per slag | [20:40] |
| Birdman: | well im happy to let it sit and somehow appreciate when q starts climbing | [20:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know that we can all enjoy rising qualities | [20:41] |
| danielpbarron: | it seems like when some rise, others fall | [20:41] |
| Birdman: | fuck withdrawing 130k grass is tedious | [20:47] |
| danielpbarron: | that's another thing i could buy claims of | [20:50] |
| Birdman: | grass? | [20:50] |
| danielpbarron: | it all gets turned into threads | [20:50] |
| Birdman: | pretty high up there on the 'things to tell your miner' | [20:50] |
| danielpbarron: | and i don't need to train very often using your low q stuff | [20:50] |
| danielpbarron: | well i'd expect a lower price if i have to craft it out there | [20:51] |
| Birdman: | eh | [20:53] |
| Birdman: | money is worth a lugging of table | [20:53] |
| Birdman: | anyways, grass is here and ready | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | *and* this tedious thing | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | be there in a sec | [20:54] |
| Birdman: | 100k @ 64.1 20567 @ 60 = 7644020 | [20:55] |
| Birdman: | have flotsams, and other harvests available too | [20:55] |
| danielpbarron: | heh like 30 bucks worth of grass now | [20:55] |
| Birdman: | in quantity | [20:55] |
| danielpbarron: | crazy | [20:56] |
| Birdman: | yeah well it was 40 >_> | [20:56] |
| Birdman: | lol | [20:56] |
| danielpbarron: | man i just can't get a single ordinary crab claim | [20:56] |
| Birdman: | ah knew it was off | [20:57] |
| Birdman: | 8867 more grass | [20:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought so | [20:57] |
| Birdman: | 8176040 | [20:57] |
| Birdman: | like 3.5k sr and 5.5k rf and about 1k rr | [21:00] |
| Birdman: | various little piles or groceries lumbers and mining stuff | [21:00] |
| Birdman: | nothin worth mentioning | [21:00] |
| danielpbarron: | well i'm interested in the sr and the rf perhaps | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | figured | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | lmk | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | almost bed time, gonna level gathering once more | [21:01] |
| danielpbarron: | although i'm already stocked on fruit, i need crumbly rock to turn it into goop | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | i saw your fruit claims | [21:02] |
| danielpbarron: | and i think Mircea wants the shiny rock more than i do | [21:02] |
| Birdman: | im waiting for mircea_popescu | [21:02] |
| Birdman: | to make pick axes to see if i can mine rocks more effectively | [21:02] |
| danielpbarron: | he was making those earlier | [21:02] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [21:02] |
| danielpbarron: | with the pointy slags you made for me | [21:02] |
| Birdman: | i wore out two tools trying for crabs and got nothin | [21:02] |
| danielpbarron: | leave those kinds of things to me ok | [21:03] |
| Birdman: | eh | [21:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i have no luck on the basics which you profit on without trying | [21:03] |
| Birdman: | i wanted to get some sort of hit \%, they are valueable | [21:03] |
| danielpbarron: | don't spread yourself too thin | [21:03] |
| Birdman: | im feeling it all out | [21:03] |
| Birdman: | gunnin for your spot grandmaster gathers | [21:04] |
| danielpbarron: | whatever my character is good at, isn't a thing yet i suspect | [21:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm the best at carrying things | [21:04] |
| Birdman: | hahah yeah | [21:04] |
| Birdman: | my guys a wimp | [21:04] |
| danielpbarron: | but that doesn't mean much since there are tricks to getting around that | [21:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i can carry 48 boulders at a time! | [21:05] |
| Birdman: | i do remember my guy had what seemed like a pretty high intellegence | [21:05] |
| Birdman: | heh, costs me more to find a tiny claim than small | [21:12] |
| Birdman: | on wpl | [21:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [21:15] |
| Birdman: | to find a tiny, i have to switch to off hand and the hit rates are worse obviously | [21:17] |
| Birdman: | but ill find tinies | [21:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | * danielpbarron pouts << tell me about it! | [21:17] |
| danielpbarron: | well then technically your tinies are free | [21:18] |
| danielpbarron: | idk why you're trying to get them though | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | tinies are the bane of my existence | [21:19] |
| Birdman: | was just seeing | [21:19] |
| Birdman: | aand how so are they free | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | death subsidy | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the problem with tinies ? | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i do not profit on tinies | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | or smalls for that matter, but at least i can pay a noob to build smalls | [21:19] |
| Birdman: | ditto | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i can't seem to get pros to build my tinies | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | the way i look at mining is, i mine for smalls. the tinies are a cheap extra | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman ah the picks been done a while ago, but ... i kinda want to use them myself lol | [21:21] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [21:21] |
| danielpbarron: | i had prepared the pointy slags specifically because Birdman expressed interest in using pickaxes | [21:22] |
| danielpbarron: | but w/e i can have more made | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | say 135\% for the lot ? | [21:22] |
| danielpbarron: | looks at Birdman | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw danielpbarron what's your guess on ltf ? | [21:22] |
| danielpbarron: | hrm, Birdman can you leave a craft running overnight? | [21:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool looking at eulora avg online population. goes from 0.x, 1.x, 2.x by now it's 5.x | [21:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess that'\s what they call organic growth | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron so i went over on #bittrex because adlai was going on about it in #b0a and you know... it occurs to me there's all sorts of chans on freenode with bunches of people on it. | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | it stands to reason that the sort of derp trying to make a bitcent trading scamcoins might actually be capable of installing eulora and interested in making a little more being a useful noob. | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | oh yeah? | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | im thinkin'. | [22:27] |
| danielpbarron: | out of 24 sticks that hit on crabs... zero ordinaries :< | [23:16] |
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