| mircea_popescu: | o hey mining quality jumped back up | [01:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've been not doing any mining since yest because pile of crafts, and now i get grass 273 instead of 268 | [01:58] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot the terms you suggest don't work for me really; I guess I'll auction then the supplications and that settles it, but the starting price is 50k per supplication since that is what the inputs add up to considering that 1 supp takes 1 vellum that currently has a markup of 163\% base (see MP's shop), 2 beetle brews that I'll consider at 125\% base assuming that they come under "any craft precursor" and tool wearout of the scree | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | ns which seem to be in short supply atm due to lack of dead molluscs | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | as for the bouq skill item (which seems to be extinct at the moment from what I gather), I'd rather give it in exchange for a (different) skill item from the altar; how does that sound? | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu do you sell those beetle brews at 125\% base value? (I still can't see them as such in there - used search on the page, gone through it several times, still no - so I assume then that they come under point 12); if yes, I want 50 of them | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman they seriously are on the page Better Bitter Brew, q 198 or higher, at 138\% | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, maybe I have an old version then wtf | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | ah yes, geez | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | sorry | [04:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | #10 | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I still had an old version of the shop | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | didn't see the update I guess, nevermind, sorry for the trouble | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | so: any deal if I bring you the beetles? | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought suppl of leather etc just took enums ? | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but I don't have those | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | above I was talking about supp of uppity chickens etc | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i thought she was trying to buy the leathers | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | oh, to clarify for hanbot: the 50k price is for supps of uppity chickens, mysterious rocks | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | oh | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | that's fine with me | [04:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [04:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you not getting any sleep ? | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | not much, no | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | so: hanbot, 10k for the 6 leather supps in my shop is fine, ping me when you are around | [04:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | re deal : sure. what do you hacve in mind ? | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | basically, since you say the markup is at least in part due to beetles being rare, I am willing to sell the beetles at a reduced markup if that brings the markup of the brew down too | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, let me think some concrete terms | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q beetles ? | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | I currently get 155q | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | I have some at 166 but not enough for 50 brews | [04:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so that's 45 * 1088 so about 500 under there ... if you give me the md free i'm willing to sell q 199 bbb at... | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | 12459.77 rather than the 14632.002 they would currently fetch | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | is that for the 155q beetles? | [04:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [04:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | (part of the problem is that q 155 means i have to cover the .45 from the tool. if they were q199 it wouldn't be a problem) | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | it's 1 beetle per brew, right? so that makes it beetle pretty much counting for 2173 | [04:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is. | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I'll do it for a batch of 50 brews | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | I'll get you 50 beetles then and I'll buy the brews at 12459.77 | [04:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got 36 ready made, would you rather have that ? or want 50 specifically ? | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | lolz what a price | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | lemme check how many beetles I have right now | [04:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, it's all maffs! | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I have 11 beetles at 155 exactly | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | so I can buy 11 brews right now I suppose | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | will go on a beetle hunt, are you still around in a few hours or not? | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | re stick run: thinking it through, I don't want to do that anymore | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | it's basically at a sure loss for me with no clear benefit really (I can get the same xp by using the stick on anything else where I actually get some positive result anyway) | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> damn, my enumerations are down to 217 quality <- that sounds weird; I get 262 quality enums on basic items?? | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | interesting: so I actually get *higher* enum quality despite danielpbarron having higher gathering rank if I understand that correctly | [05:25] |
| diana_coman: | good to know :D | [05:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima prolly be off to bed soonish, but we can do it tomorrow or w/e. | [05:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | not such an emergency is it ? | [05:49] |
| diana_coman: | I have 31 beetles now | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | so I can get the brews if that's ok | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | it can wait though if it's not convenient right now | [05:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah cool. im coming to town with mty grass in like 5 mins | [06:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | and re <diana_coman> re stick run: thinking it through, I don't want to do that anymore << i think it was moslty a trial run of sorts, useful in that we got some hard data down. | [06:01] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that was my initial thought on it | [06:01] |
| diana_coman: | and in that we got some data | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | in principle you get 20k worth of explore xp while only having to pay 4k for it, which may or may not be a good deal. it's still a better return than what i got, depending exactly on how you value the tlc. | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | I am basically using chetty sticks mining now anyway | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | kind of a similar run on md | [06:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | but in point of fact, if this were like a restaurant tab, it's an advantageous (for you) split. | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | but building the claims myseld | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: I don't have to do it on TLC | [06:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | nevertheless, this isn't likely a restaurant tab. and moreover, some more advanced deals will prolly have to emerge, esp to controll for the outlier high results | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | to get the same xp | [06:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | just, dunno yet what | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | you know, why would I pay exactly the sticks for your lottery run as it were | [06:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess i woul be willing to pay ~5k for stick-generated smalls | [06:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you figure they're worth ? | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | on tlc? | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | in general | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | you think it's different ? | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't think there is in general | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so which is worth more, sb or tlc ? | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | then again, would have to get some data on it | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | or rather to churn it | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | it should be in the logs already | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, minus quality huh | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | damn | [06:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | huh ? | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | the logs record what claims you get and how much out of them, but not the quality of items :( | [06:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | plus in fact the cs claims are not in logs since they are not done by the bot | [06:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | well because the quality thing has to be requested from the server separately again! | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | geez | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | it would have to be basically at least one additional stage/step | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | send message to server to ask for it | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | right click it as it were ? | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | wait for response and decode | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | pretty much although more as in "result of right click on item" | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. ask for description of object | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe only implement that for cs ? | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i doubt people would want the slowdown | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | by the way it's going I'll end up automating cs mining too | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, a parameter | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno why not from the get-go. | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's so special about the sticks ? | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | to turn that on/off | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | they take ages | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ? | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | that's all there is | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | still why can't bot use them ? | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | identical to any other tool | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | it can but it doesn't know how much to wait for, that's the change I need to make | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. k. | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | I need to get another param to let the user specify the time to wait on the explore | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | that's all | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | then it's good to go | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya.k. | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i gotta say i grew attached to the bot | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | it sits here in a corner, cuttign grass... makes me feel good. | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | I know the feeling, esp when I first got it running it felt wonderful :) | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and dear god, it mined > 15k tinies so far. | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lord of the carpal syndrome prevention. | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | indeed | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | tbh looking at my latest map | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | it starts covering nicely, not that bad | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | it will still take ages to finish | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | a really ? coolo. | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | but seeing the difference.... | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | my map is not very useful. mostly... grass. | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | each night I leave it on a new bald spot to go from a central point radially | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | which is great as long as I still have lbn... | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta makle more screens | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | well, I still think one us for the lapidary thing is needed | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | if you want more neckerbocker bps too | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. o yea now you got the stone huh | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i guess you get hte first us | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | I'm literally stuck only on this | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | all we need is dm. | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | as soon as I get one us, I can start on it | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i am going to be leaving it overnight to make 55 tm | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | tomorrow i'll make ddl and look at the cheese wistfully. | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [06:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, coming to town. | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | btw, I'll buy lbn too | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | even at that extortionate price | [06:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha! extortionate you say ? | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | given that it's the only chance of finding the dm thingies | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | you know it's funny really | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | esp on tlc and the rest | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | it's all "no, it's too much" when I come and say it | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | and then after you see it yourself | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | you ask for even more , lol | [06:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe grenadine manages to conjure up some dm | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | guess I need to make my point harder as in with an extra bat | [06:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | a bat ? | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | I am in the middle of a chetty stick, as soon as it finishes I jump to town | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | a club better? | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ima sell you 1k lbn at teh extortionate price. | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | good | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya chetty! | [06:16] |
| diana_coman: | kind of keeps the bot going for 1 night possibly, lol | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | 495551.72 | [06:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | one thing i like about the last dayts advances in eulora economics is that we finally have numeric prices. such as, x for y. | [06:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | tomorrow ima make more bbb. | [06:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | and with that, im off! | [06:25] |
| diana_coman: | good news on the tlc front: found the pacademia nut, hence building tlc ordinaries just got more attractive | [07:28] |
| danielpbarron: | i have a theory on gathering, and it's surprising to me that you found the new thing | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | although i guess you do a lot of it and beat the odds | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | but i think gathering has the same quality/quantity trade off that everything else has | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | that is, the higher quality stick/enum you find, the less likely you are to find it | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i think this is the reason us old timers have such a hard time finding new items | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | we need noobs to stumble upon the new stuff | [10:15] |
| danielpbarron: | my highest rank in gathering does not make it easier to find things, but what I do find should be very appealing to players with low building rank | [10:16] |
| danielpbarron: | high quality stick + low building rank = lots of loot | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, interesting theory, but I don't really see any support for it | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | looking back, I basically found dcs, wm, lh at the very least | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | in ALL the cases I was either first on server at the tie | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | time* or 2nd at most | [10:19] |
| danielpbarron: | you were the only one really looking | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | btw, danielpbarron have you found anything new as a result of your recent search? | [10:20] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [10:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i have a harder time finding new things | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | that may be; I think it has more to do with actually covering the map properly as it were | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | and that is very difficult to do without seeing it plainly | [10:20] |
| danielpbarron: | it used to be easier for me to find uncommons when i had a lower rank | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | or at least for me; that's why I made the map, but now I even find it more useful than I even thought in some sense | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | are you sure you are not talking of the periods when everything was easily found? | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of mine mainly uncommons and I wouldn't say it got worse as I increased my skill | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> but i think gathering has the same quality/quantity trade off that everything else has <- this I would think so | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | but I suspect it's more in what happens with the quality | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | I still find very weird the thing with quality of enums | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | what quality are your enums now, danielpbarron? | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | if your theory is right though, wouldn't that make it even harder for you to find...basic harvestables due to the very high q you get on them? | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | and for me groceries? | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> my highest rank in gathering does not make it easier to find things, but what I do find should be very appealing to players with low building rank <- in principle yes, but if your enum quality is actually lower than mine, somehow the highest gathering rank doesn't seem to do much | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | or at least not for now | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | it's still good, of course, but then according to same formula, my enums are still even better | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | actually danielpbarron in support of your theory: have you found that sticks by noobs give basically lower value than sticks by someone with higher gathering rank? | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | I guess that's what you mean by stick quality, so apart from enum quality, right? | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i wouldn't know, but Mircea acts like claims made from a chetty stick are better | [13:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | imo they are better | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | as in, normal tool smalls i get 2+2 grass from. but from stick, never less than i dunno, 70something\ | [13:03] |
| danielpbarron: | makes it hard to sell claims | [13:03] |
| danielpbarron: | or does the key quality have anything to do with claim quality? | [13:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i noticed that my ordinary claims come with "inferior" keys | [13:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, claims from chetty sticks are better, but that has nothing to do with the gathering skill of the one handling the stick, does it? | [13:17] |
| diana_coman: | the key idea sounds interesting though | [13:17] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, I think the theory can be tested a bit; if someone with lower gathering skill is around and want to do the test: kindly dig up say 50 flotsam sticks but build only half of that. I'll dig up another 25 and give them to you to build with your enums from the sticks you did not mine | [13:19] |
| diana_coman: | just keep track of the output you get in the two sets | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | curious whether there is any noticeable difference even though the set would be quite small | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine to give those sticks away for free; I'd say I want some 10\% only if it happens you hit on them some big loot | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | dig them up with a cruddy hoe if possible | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | to keep that the same at least | [13:23] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, I suppose I can at the same time build the remaining 25 sticks under same terms anywya | [13:24] |
| jurov: | this has one small problem... it took me ~ 3 days to get 50 small flotsam claims | [13:24] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [13:24] |
| diana_coman: | was it better on anything else? | [13:24] |
| jurov: | pretty standard on my level 78 | [13:24] |
| jurov: | the rest was tiny | [13:24] |
| diana_coman: | hm, so like 1 day for 12 smalls? | [13:25] |
| jurov: | yes, 20 max now i leveled up since | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile i use up about 3k (so 400+ claims) of thread per day | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it\s usually an 10-12 hour day of mining at that. | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | for instance rightr now - left it overnight to do milk, 58 of which is done, now making 29 dulce de leche... will be hours. | [13:27] |
| diana_coman: | I seem to have some weird connection problems sometimes in that the messages arrive all garbled | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | if they arrive | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | can't figure out when /why it starts | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | it's like I start exploring, the bar finishes and there is no message | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | and then by the time I start the next explore | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow you found the nuts ? | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | I start getting the result of the first | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | and then enum etc | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | yes! | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd! | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | are they hard ? | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | lovely, prickly nut | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | :D | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i should have sold you my stocks for huge markup while i still had the chancwe | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | did I get it right that there will be the bps for 100 bouq and 100 gung-ho and 200 gathering on Sunday? | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron high quality stick + low building rank = lots of loot << this has some credence. last night i had mod6 mine 9 grass ords for me. he came back with > 12k grass | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman aye | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu question is: was it the high quality "stick" or high quality bp? | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | enum I mean | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i made them with my hoe. | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but you gave him your enums too, right? | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i didn't think to look at enum qual. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'd be surprised they were not much higher than his | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe. are they relatdd to gathering ? or to building ? | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | my gathering is not that high. | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | maybe danielpbarron tells us what q he gets now and then we can see, but from what he said earlier this morning it would seem I still get higher q enums than him although my gathering rank is (I suppose) smaller than his | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron it used to be easier for me to find uncommons when i had a lower rank << in fairness, there were a lot more uncommons unfound then, too. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima look at my latest ord see what it is once this craft is done | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | assuming (not yet sure of it) that the books give the skill too, it would mean that in fact the bouq and gung-ho skills will be available after this Sunday | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman it is possible! what do 100s take, pulp and bbb ? | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | that kind of changes the whole thing re altar and re item skill for bouq | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | yes, they are totally doable | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | (I have 10 books or so for sale, right?) | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | except i sold you all my bnb lol. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima make moar. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh shit. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have no screens ;/ | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahah, maybe I should then actually auction my own package, lol | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | item skill for bouq + 1 screens | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahahaha | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. only tuesday. ima make one. somehow. | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | (after which I'll prolly end up having to buy another screens from you at a later time) | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | why couldn't you find dm! | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, this is new | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | so I built a tiny claim | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | while talking here | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | it was prolly a rather old tiny claim, but right next to me! | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | and it...vanished! | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | with my 1 moss!!! lol | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | but seriously now, do they vanish even if guarded now? | [13:37] |
| chetty: | you might not have shown up ss guatrding ..how long since you touched it and stuff ... | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well have you been chatting for an hour ? | [13:39] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman i'm logging in atm if you wanna sell me the leathers | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | yes hanbot and I have some claims for you to build if you want to | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman or at least for me; that's why I made the map, but now I even find it more useful than I even thought in some sense << this is so exactly how it works. how science worked. | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | no, they were old because of that weird thing which caused the bot to not see the enum | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | coming to town now, hanbot | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it was never closed... | [13:40] |
| hanbot: | kk | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | but I was guarding it...basically building it! | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | lo | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | mkaybe it didn't like you | [13:41] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, hope so | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaahhh q201 dulce de leche! | [13:51] |
| diana_coman: | diabetes... | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't eat them, i rub them all over shoddy wooden constructions. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | this does something. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally diana_coman : if i manage to make the cheese, you wanna take the parts make me the unction ? | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | or wait, you don't have cooking, nm. | [13:54] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, don't have cooking | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want to make the us tho ? | [13:54] |
| diana_coman: | well, it depends when you make it, lol | [13:54] |
| diana_coman: | if it is after Sunday and I get gung-ho | [13:54] |
| diana_coman: | I can make it, sure | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | too many ifs. | [13:54] |
| diana_coman: | that's the euloran speciality: lots of ifs in painful sauce | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | or something | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | I keep pondering the us thing | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | on one hand I'd make it | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | on the other hand you'd get it higher q so I'd get than higher overcraft when making the wheel | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [13:55] |
| diana_coman: | not sure there, I'll have to have another look at the bp for the wheel, but I think the us is the main part of it | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, these are the us for my making screens. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i imagine i should make you the one us for making the bubble thing myself. | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | (think - i did 58 milks because i aim to make 9 us) | [13:58] |
| diana_coman: | I tend to agree with that really precisely because it's the main part of it | [13:58] |
| diana_coman: | for the other us yes, I'll make them | [13:58] |
| diana_coman: | but hopefully the first one still gets made for the wheel? | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | it makes a huge diff, imo. the us is 220k ? so the difference between my 203 and your 163 say is like 90k ? | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas the bubble is what, 45k base ? so it saves you 200 qual points on the bubble? | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5:1 | [13:59] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [13:59] |
| diana_coman: | so it is | [13:59] |
| diana_coman: | so I need you to make it | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea. | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | curious what you get out of that thing. | [14:00] |
| diana_coman: | me too, but...need the us!! | [14:00] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's possibly the largest single-overcraft to date. | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you get a 1k multiplier it's what, 500mn. | [14:00] |
| hanbot: | so i'm 1 x 210, 1 x 222 so far on the branches, looks like a lot of muling to town in my future. ;) diana_coman i have an appt in town, will do the rest of these and deliver this evening/when you're on tomorrow | [14:00] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, hanbot that's fine, I can carry them | [14:02] |
| diana_coman: | leave them in one claim and lock it | [14:02] |
| diana_coman: | bring me back the key | [14:03] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine with that,no worries | [14:03] |
| diana_coman: | I kept thinking of the skill item for bouq: thing is that in the case the books give the skill too, it probably makes way more sense to use the books, since the skill item as it is I think is *also* needed in one of the more expensive (if not most expensive) supp | [14:04] |
| diana_coman: | so kind of a waste to use it this way | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep. if it works, books gotta be used. | [14:05] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, considering that, I plan to make a package of supps (NOT leather etc) and auction them | [14:05] |
| diana_coman: | are you interested hanbot? | [14:05] |
| hanbot: | over 1k mined already! | [14:11] |
| diana_coman: | hoooray! | [14:11] |
| diana_coman: | though I kind of need 23k for my plan of making 100 sticks, lol | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | so hmm, that was 8 sticks there, let's say for 2k, it's at least more sb than went in, phew | [14:14] |
| hanbot: | 1484 and i can't open one of them? | [14:16] |
| diana_coman: | it must be a wrong key then...ugh | [14:16] |
| hanbot: | meet me here for key ? | [14:16] |
| diana_coman: | give me a pos | [14:16] |
| hanbot: | 359 143 | [14:16] |
| hanbot: | negative! | [14:17] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman ftr i have another 128 branches i originally stashed in storage. sadly i can't seem to work out this last claim...relogged and all the keys you gave me became bits, so... | [16:21] |
| hanbot: | so using the six leather supps graciously sold to me by diana_coman, i looted 27 x 109q dead molluscs | [17:38] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu care to buy? | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes i care to buy. you in town ? | [17:38] |
| hanbot: | mhm | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | brt. | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess you'll be bidding sunday huh. | [17:39] |
| hanbot: | ;) | [17:39] |
| hanbot: | twas a very pleasant exercise | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty! | [17:41] |
| hanbot: | no u | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | and now for the cheese! | [17:42] |
| hanbot: | ew | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | o btw, did i mention each cheez also takes a ST ? no ? Heh! | [17:43] |
| hanbot: | you eulorians and your complicated cheeses | [17:43] |
| hanbot: | also i just apparently ate a sparkle, to no discernable effect | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaaajhhh to watch the bluish-purple cheeses stack up inside your sacks and then to die... | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> danielpbarronIit used to be easier for me to find uncommons when i had a lower rank << in fairness, there were a lot more uncommons unfound then, too. << i mean finding a claim in a spot i already know to be something uncommon | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | a | [18:12] |
| danielpbarron: | hanbot, the effect is you now have the lapidary skill if you didn't already | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | and is there any way to work out a deal where i provide you with a supplication and its ingredients in exchange for the loot; not unlike when you make blueprints.. | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you wanna make me a coupla us for the skillz/bps ? | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i need toolkits though | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i assume it's a mcguyvering thing | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok im making the so now. should be done in ~2 hrs. i plan to give you two and diana 3. and i can also sell you a tkt. | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is yes. got bp ? | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | needs some extra trims, read it make sure | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey there.\ | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | hi | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot hooray, well done! | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | dead molluscs, yay | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | what is the deal you are proposing, mircea_popescu ? | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | you give me all the stuff and i just make it and give you everything? | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | as for the key thing, I think I figured out the trouble, it's prolly still with me the last key (a different claim from the one you got stuck on though - prolly you missed that one altoghether) | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | o good lord, us takes 3 so not 1 huh. | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron sorry, i misjudged. i don't actually have the materials for it ;/ | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the idea was, i sell the SO needed for 1 US at high q, and buy back the US once made. you keep whatever. | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | as it is tho, i only have materials to make 1 us i promised diana for her bubble, and another one she promised me for the screens. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I am up to making any number of US, lol | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ima need yet more molluscs ;/ | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | sadly I don't have the drafts to make more leather suppers or lower stuff ones, but hopefully that'll be fixed by Sunday | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | btw hanbot, what's your plan if you get the drafts on Sunday? | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | this looks like the next focal point : a huge pile of leather sups to yielkd a huge piole of molluscs which i'll so | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | but I think that is more for daniel to do really, no? | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | has lots of leather enumerations | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | isn't hanbot rather better focusing on getting the skills from the altar? | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | you need the leather enums to make the sups iirc | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | that is correct | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but well, you need first the drafts and that's the bottleneck | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | atm | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | not the enums | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman daniel yields high q mollusc. this is a problem because the st i have is low q | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I see | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun wanna put 5x q 400+ dm of 1100 ea in a bundle with q 85 st at 5k ea | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | i make stuff q 200, it kills me. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | besides, those are great for mining. | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm up for trading enums for the resulting supplications | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | just that ...uhm, still no altar bp and so I'd be a bit weary of wearing it down too quickly/without maximum yield | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | then again, not my altar | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | that altar of hers isn't going to run out any time soon | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | the drafts are bouq not altar, and we have bps for thsoe | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | i still have half of mine | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much does it decay per click danielpbarron ? | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | a lot, but that isn't really the bottleneck | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | well for me it sorta is, but for hanbot not so sure | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot measure how much altar decays sometime | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu yes, I meant as in making low-level supps (so berries, leather, moss etc) rather than high level supps (so murky delights, rocks etc) | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you realise the high level ones are 10mn+ a click ? | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i estimated my current altar had like 80 clicks in it to begin with | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I do and at the same time I gathered that on one hand that's how you actually stand a chance of getting the skill items | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | and on the other hand that's how the q for resources increases | [18:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah but you chafe at playing the 20k roulette of sticks. this is 3 degrees of magnitude more. | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | well she doesn't have to risk it; I will. I have the ingredients and supplications ready to go | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: as previously said, it's not my altar, so not my decision; I am just trying to write down here all I (think I) know on this so that hopefully hanbot has all the information she needs | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | no mircea_popescu | [18:28] |
| danielpbarron: | would even let her do the click on my own altar if that's the fuss | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | I chafe at paying 4k for YOUR playing roulette | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | that's a different story | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | now that I have the nuts, I can play it with the tlc, sure | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | just saying, i can appreciate why one'd be in no hurry . | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron so then if ready to go why not going ? | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | hanbot refused my offer | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun get it | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got altar, items, etc. | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | sure, if she knows all this and she decided that, it's absolutely fine with me; I just don't know what she knows and what not as these things were not really written down plainly anywhere as far as I know | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman wiki! :D | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | he has higher skill? | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i should get birdman to come back for this | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, right right, you make them too high q | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | still have a sacrifice skill item | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a legitimate beef, harder to loot a rare skill q 400 than q 50 | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | precisely why I think there is the real "danger" of increasing one's skill "too much" | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | hence my point | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | re wiki yes, kind of wrote 90\% of it myself as it is, will prolly get round at some point and write more | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | Extraordinary!!! suspect ointment | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | go me! | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | so when will that us for the wheel be ready? | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | i will have enough so in maybe an hour for you to make mine and for me to start making yours | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | will you be selling clicks on it? | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc they take half hour to bake or so, but here's what i propose : | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | we start making them at the same time! | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | like, syncronized | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | im curious which finishes first | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | is that a thing yet? selling use of crafting tables? | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, if it's maybe then can yours wait for me to start on it tomorrow first thing in the morning? | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i kinda want to buy the table myself, actually... | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman huh ? | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you want them synchronised | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [18:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't mean the whole thing. I mean paying just to use it for a single craft | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | it'll be midnight here by then, lolz | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes i wanna compare a long craft to see | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | but - no emergency, i can set this aside and we do it tomorrow then | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima dig up some grass in meanwhile, need more of that anyway | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | as danielpbarron says,... you gonna be selling the table ? using it ? | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | I think it took about half an hour last time anyway | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | it can trivially be rented i guess, one marks down what dura it was, gets it back, gets paid for decay | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | and I should rather get some sleep so if it can wait until tomorrow that'd be wonderful for me | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool then, it'll wait. | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | the turning table you mean? | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | I think I already said a couple of times that I'll use it, lol | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | but if I make more, I'll sell them too | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't believe i took 24 hours straight cooking. milk, ddl, cheese, so... | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, that's how you spend your whole day(s) in the kitchen!!! | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | something tells me this might be the only one for a while lol. da fuck bubbles. | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | :))) | [18:37] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm sure that there is some advanced skill out there with a crafting table so expensive that most players could only ever rent it | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron seems probable. | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, there's going to be actual castles. | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | ooo, like that | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, until the ogres come, burn it down, and you're out twelve trillion or whatever it was. | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, that is the scenario when there *was* an actual castle | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | I don't like that scenario, no | [18:40] |
| jurov: | and then there will be revolution :D | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | and therefore dirty tents all over the place, jurov? | [18:41] |
| jurov: | yes | [18:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | well, I already have a caveman bed | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | but didn't want to put it in lady voyna's lean to/tent | [18:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ever been inside of that ? | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | ? inside the lean-to? | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I'm off | [18:54] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: loooks like you're out of luck...or worn your tool | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | he always mines barehanded afaik | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, im about to go grassing, you wanna trade jurov ? | [20:02] |
| hanbot: | <mircea_popescu> hanbot measure how much altar decays sometime << ah yeah missed capturing that. will do! | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and diana has a point : higher skill hurts your chances to loot superrare items | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | as they have high base value generally | [20:07] |
| hanbot: | aha. well, danielpbarron, ^^ as to your proposal. give it a few weeks tho', we see how ingredients settle and who becomes capable of what. i can't be a noob forever ;) | [20:09] |
| jurov: | can anyone with sortage help me? i mixed up my bits :( | [20:24] |
| jurov: | or it's impractical/expensive? | [20:24] |
| jurov: | i got caught up with banker and forgot to drop my inferior ones... | [20:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | sortage doesn't do anything about that ? | [20:26] |
| jurov: | nfi | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | sortage just apparently improves quality for basic finds, and maybe helps other things | [20:26] |
| jurov: | logged off anyway, have enough for today | [20:26] |
| jurov: | i was under impression it's for splitting mixed stacks | [20:27] |
| jurov: | if i regain appetite for eulora source someday, some prevention of mixing will be a priority | [20:31] |
| jurov: | dunno what idiot thought it was good idea | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well if they don't stack what will you do when picking up stuff from tavble etc | [20:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i can't be a noob forever ;) << exactly, my offer is predicated on you being a noob | [21:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not interested otherwise, and i have the means to make a new noob | [21:03] |
| jurov: | perhaps it can preemptively drop everything to ground before committing the trade :) | [21:06] |
| danielpbarron: | is it a client thing or a server thing? | [21:06] |
| danielpbarron: | because it is possible to have different quality stacks of the same item in inventory at the same time | [21:07] |
| danielpbarron: | just most ways of putting items to inventory happen to mix them instead of keeping them separate | [21:07] |
| danielpbarron: | crafting containers seem to have a button for keeping the stacks separate, but it doesn't work that way | [21:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya that may be an easy fix | [21:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | oooo 11k grass! yum! | [21:59] |
| hanbot: | nice one | [22:06] |
| hanbot: | btw jurov for future reference i do not have sortage | [22:10] |
| jurov: | duly noted | [22:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand back down to 267 | [23:30] |
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