| lobbesbot: | News from eulora: The sad story of Sacrifice <http://trilema.com/2015/the-sad-story-of-sacrifice/> | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, again ? | [00:59] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 you might want to start with lower-level books | [02:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you want these threads ? | [02:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo the server will need a slight restart | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, as in "I already did it" | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | almost cutting my stick craft in the middle | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | very nice | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, was that a reset or a re-wind? | [03:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | db server died. | [03:07] |
| diana_coman: | but ouch | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | it ate my toothpaste! | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | 30 of it | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | more like 30+ | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | and the ppb | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | aren't you glad i didn't wait more to do it then ? | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | and for all I know it probably ate my toolkit too | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | the time to finish that stick wouldn't have made any difference then in any case | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | but no, I am not glad | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | how's that work ? | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | I was crafting a stick | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | apparently most of the ingredients I took out for the craft run | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | are gone for some reason | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | if you waited more so what, maybe I would have at least gotten that first stick for all I know | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | but surely it wouldn't have been any worse | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | most probably the same | [03:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see you gfot 119 + 38 + 10 ft, all made by me. | [03:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much was it supposed to be ? | [03:14] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, the 119 was not visible earlier | [03:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. surely it would have not been ANY BETTER. | [03:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | your baseline's backwards. | [03:14] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [03:14] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, being happy that it didn't wipe everything as it were? | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | it can do that once I suppose since that'd surely be the end of it | [03:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite. the longer it goes the worse it gets. | [03:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. so practically : 119 + 38 + 10 is right ? | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | sounds right, yes, if that's the one made by you | [03:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | and you don't see these in storage ? | [03:16] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't see them in storage and not in my inventory nor anywhere | [03:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | as in now ? | [03:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep the db's not connecting properly. going down ;/ | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | aha, ok | [03:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk so the server is down and will stay down until chetty manages to get to it. sadly. | [03:19] |
| chetty: | getting on it now | [04:30] |
| chetty: | server back up | [04:49] |
| chetty: | dianan check out your inventory now | [04:49] |
| chetty: | there will likely be a rollback in inventory state to before the trouble started | [05:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems to be okay. | [05:52] |
| chetty: | :) | [06:00] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> danielpbarron you want these threads ? << ya | [06:17] |
| diana_coman: | I still can't find the toothpaste | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | I can see only 6 toothpaste | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | chetty it seems to have rolled back a bit better in the sense that I have at least the toolkit | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | but the 100+ toothpaste doesn't seem to be anywhere | [08:03] |
| chetty: | ok, where did it come from? did you make it? what about the stuff used to make it? | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> i see you gfot 119 + 38 + 10 ft, all made by me. <- out of all this, there are now for some reason only 6 left in storage | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | no, it was made by mircea and I had it in storage | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | I took it out to start a craft run | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | when the server was reset first time I had just finished making 1 stick in fact | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | so not sure how/why precisely the toothpaste went missing | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | the rest of the ingredients seem to be all in my inventory | [08:06] |
| chetty: | hmm ok need to check with him and see what happened to stuff he used to make it. We will sort something out but the db failed at some point and no changes were saved, theory says things were frozen there ... | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | and in fact the chat log loaded now when I got back shows the lines for taking all stuff out *except* toothpaste | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | but this was actually made long time ago | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | by him, but not now | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | it almost sounds as if it failed precisely when I took the toothpaste out | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | and basically it lost exactly that or something | [08:07] |
| chetty: | toothpaste was probably never really there ...hmm thats possible that it was the exact fail point. | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | unless it is somewhere but I just don't see it somehow, ugh | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | lemme try to take those 6 out... | [08:09] |
| chetty: | I would prefer to have mp check his inventory before we 'make it up' | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | it shouldn't have anything to do with his inventory really | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | unless you mean it somehow got moved back to the crafter's inventory? | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | it's not as if we traded it today or even yesterday | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, it can wait, no problem | [08:10] |
| chetty: | well to where ever it was before .. | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | but before...what? | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | before yesterday? | [08:10] |
| chetty: | also I can look for a stack that size ... how many would/should it be? | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | as mp said: mircea_popescu> i see you gfot 119 + 38 + 10 ft, all made by me | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | that was initially and I took out and mixed at least 2 stacks but that probably didn't make it to the server anyway | [08:12] |
| chetty: | srry seems I need to learn to speak eulorian (:P) so you should have 167 flinty toothpaste? | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | in total, yes | [08:13] |
| chetty: | one stack? or 2? | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | initially they were three stacks in my inventory, that's why mp lists them like that | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | then I took out if I remember correctly the 38+10 | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | so 48 | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | I'm also somehow at a loss how comes I have now...6 | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: why exactly 6? | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:14] |
| chetty: | okies, I'll poke around, see what pops up ... | [08:15] |
| chetty: | the failure had nothing to do with eulora code, was db server so looking at stack transfers wont help | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | I meant it in the sense that it might be a stack of 48 perhaps you are looking for | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | no idea really, trying to give as much information I have, maybe something pops up | [08:17] |
| chetty: | all info is good, it is certainly possible the fail point was in the middle of updating you stack | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | if the log lines are anything to go by it would certainly seem so at least from the point of view of my client: it basically stops where there should have been the line for taking out the toothpaste from storage | [08:24] |
| chet_: | was dpb involved in any of these trades? | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | there was no trade | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | just me taking things out of my own storage | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | I keep trying to say that, lol | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw dpb was not even logged on iirc | [08:32] |
| chet_: | well whatever was going on when things started going odd ... yeah but reconstruct from logs .. one tries to account for things. | [08:33] |
| chet_: | anyway the stacks are still there, a 119 a 38 and a 10, just in the wrong places | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | oh, wow | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know exactly when did things start to go wrong | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | basically I logged in this morning | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | I came to the village | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | dropped into storage a bunch of resources | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | rickety reeds and the like | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | and then got out things for a craft run | [08:34] |
| chet_: | are those things still there? | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | a toolkit, the stick tradition, polished stones | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | and toothpaste | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | the things I took out are still with me except for the toothpaste | [08:35] |
| chet_: | and the stuff you put in? | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | moreover, I had even dropped the toolkit and started on a chetty stick | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | and iirc it had barely just finished when mp took the server down | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | that's pretty much it | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | lemme check that | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | they seem to be there, yes | [08:39] |
| chetty: | ok good, best if mp does the restore of your toothpaste so be a few hours (sleep time for him) | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | sure, it can wait | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | I just realised that I don't know what happened exactly to the ppb as well | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | but whatever | [08:41] |
| chetty: | ppb? | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | I don't remember exactly how much there was to check if it adds up now | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | particularly promising branch | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | they are ingredients for the stick too | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | so obviously took them out too | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | by the looks of it I'd say some of them are missing too | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | but I am not sure how many exactly | [08:43] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [08:43] |
| chetty: | well I can see if there are any stray ones if something looks odd will fix that too | [08:43] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [08:43] |
| chetty: | this was the same failure that once you caught cause it wasnt updating explore locations ... crappy db server :( | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, that sounds like a right headache | [08:47] |
| chetty: | I think I need to recode eulora to crash when db acts up instead of trying to power thru it | [08:48] |
| diana_coman: | this makes me think that one basically kind of needs a custom client for sure | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | at least to keep a clear and accurate track of items and everything | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | for own records if nothing else | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | I hate it now I don't even know how many ppb were there *precisely* | [09:16] |
| chetty: | well guessing ahead of time what exactly to log is a whole art form ... | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman turns out i was looking at daniel's ft not yours. | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | I am still missing it though | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is unfortunate, because now i have nfi how much you had. why didn't you say "no dude, that doesn't sound like my tp at all" ? | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | see above | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | because I also had 3 stacks | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | and mixed them up | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | but nfi how much exactly | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | all I know is that I defo had everything for at least 10 sticks since that was the run I started | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | and that is 30 ppb at least | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | but that's 10. | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | and defo more toothpaste | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you had 10 and thought hey, "might as well have been 150" ? | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | geez, no | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | then how did it go ? | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | toothpaste has always been more than 7 times what ppb I had | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | as in ppb for 10 sticks | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | but toothpaste for 70 | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | I initially said 30+ as that I was more than sure about (since 30+ ppb, then defo 30+toothpaste) | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | if you said you checked and that was in the db, then what can I say | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | if I don't have the records | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | "that doesn't sound right" works. | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I was noticing above that I hate not having the records | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | and why apparently the client really needs some custom logs pronto | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | as I can't work like this at all | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | well, 3 stacks sounded absolutely right, that's the thing | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | numbers dunno | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | first world problems over there | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | the ppb I did not even realise was missing until I got back to it now | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | basically the client has to keep track precisely so that I can at least say : this is what it was shown here | [11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it does. | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise this is what happens: I know basically precisely only what I was trying to do | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | uhm? where? | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you took it out of the bank it says "took out of bank" in your log | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | same if you put it in | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, except that it failed there | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | ? | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | I checked in the logs | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | and basically it cut things exactly before I took those two items out | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | the client ?! | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | so although I even crafted 1 stick before the server went down | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't have it in the logs | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | I have the rst | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | but not this | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno, how else is that possible? | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if you put/take stuff out now it's in the logs ? | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | so: | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, this sounds very bizarre. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec, let me copy/paste, ok? | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:07:51) >You've stored 481 Standard Rickety Reeds. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:07:54) >You've stored 41 Worthless Putrid Leather. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:14) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:28) >You got 1 Bandar Toolkit from the storage. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:33) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:35) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:43) >You got 80 Polished Small Stone from the storage. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:08:51) >You got 16 Chetty's Divining Stick Tradition from the storage. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:09:34) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:09:35) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | (08:10:02) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | (08:10:04) >You started checking your storage with Heina. | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | this is my log | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | it finished with taking the tradition things | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | it logged right the toolkit | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | and the pss | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | it logged correctly before that me dropping the things from the explore run | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | but that is it, then it just logged "you started checking" | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | wtf | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | no ppb, no ft | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | that's the end of it before reset/shut down | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | well apparently you got no ft now. | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you ? | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | nfi how is that possible given that I took out the ft and I made 1 stick | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | weirder even I have precisely 6 | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | which doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | (still in storage, meanwhile I made them into sticks mostly) | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you DON'T have any. | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you had it. but not now. | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, whatever, some more money down the black hole is one thing, but basically a full mess of it is a different story | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [11:14] |
| diana_coman: | none that I can see, no | [11:14] |
| diana_coman: | 6 sticks that I just made, 20 pss remaining (which adds up since I used 10 per for the 6 sticks) | [11:15] |
| chetty: | so we will sort this, somehow | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | mkay. what ima do here is, ima give you 300k in cash, exceptionally, as a final settlement. but let it be plainly said that if pretty much anyone else did the "yes, something like that" when i ask about MORE than they had i'd have strangled them. | [11:18] |
| diana_coman: | I guess lesson learnt on my side and quite a basic one at that: need to keep track of inventory | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you need to have at least a vague idea of your stocks so as not to say yes to the trap questions. | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | I fully get the point and I know I'd do the same really, that's why I can't stand the issue | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | my vague is too vague for this clearly | [11:20] |
| chetty: | well the stack of 6 must have been there before ...and not removed | [11:21] |
| diana_coman: | as for the settlement thing: forget it for now and possibly add it to anything when I release the logging part on this, lol | [11:21] |
| diana_coman: | true chetty, I can't make head or tail of this precisely myself given no records | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | chetty i noticed the failure on my own account, what it did was : that if you took a full stack oout of bank, it rolled it back, | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | but if you ADDED t oa stack you already had, it lost it. | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | ah, so that must be what happened | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | as I got for storage several stacks of toothpaste | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | never seen before failure mode, | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | from storage I meant | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | but we're digging into it. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | the beauty of modern computers : they will surprise you. | [11:23] |
| diana_coman: | weird I didn't notice though | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i gotta do basic science on basic libraries" | [11:23] |
| diana_coman: | it seemed absolutely fine | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes it did, but it was split. | [11:23] |
| diana_coman: | they showed fine in my inventory for sure | [11:23] |
| diana_coman: | so basically the stack in storage is still there because I never took it out you mean? | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | and the rest vanished because I mixed up the stacks | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | wonderful | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | well, problem of "too much toothpaste" certainly solved | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill cook some more, it's no big deal now. | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | thankfully. | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | well, the big deal is that now I have to basically kind of put everything on hold until I get some decent logging in place | [11:25] |
| chetty: | well it never took stuff from storage to inventory really ... cause it couldnt updatae the db | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | I will never remember numbers precisely enough for sure | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as a general takeaway : if game misbehaves start taking notes down with fresh memory. stuff like "oh i took stuff out of inventory, but it's not in log..." is not minor. | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | but it didn't | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | ! | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so why's noit in your log ?! | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | I did not notice a thing until you reset it | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I don't check the logs when I take things out ? | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | do you? | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | but if it's not in the log it wasn't in the log. | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | it's like: I check my inventory, not the log | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know it says "took so and so out" | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. well this is how i found the problem. because i look. | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise i'd have gone to bed and we'd have a mess on our hands now. | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | a real one. | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | it's real enough | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | just a bigger one | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | much bigger I suppose | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | so you mean you look into the logs not only in inventory? | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, adding more panics to the server, if nothing else it should take it down early. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's this chatbox to the left. and it says. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, to me it's kinda hard to not notice. | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I usually glance at it, but I suppose I missed that part | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | it's not that I checked it on purpose for sure | [11:28] |
| diana_coman: | possibly bigger screen, lol | [11:28] |
| chetty: | I am not so sure problem would be worse, whatever was being moved exact moment it hit would be messed up the same, everything else would roll back to that point. | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | that makes sense actually chetty | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | so I hit the perfect moment as usual, nothing else | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [11:32] |
| chetty: | :) | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | chetty what if she had hit a big find in her alternate universe ? | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | is pondering the fastest logging options available | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu that's quite different still | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | I would be back to where I was before, but at least without a loss | [11:33] |
| chetty: | well the find would never have really happened .. but in fact I dont think you could actually build without db | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, a time + electricity loss I suppose, but kind of not the point | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. honestly it was kinda weird, i have no idea. | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | chetty can you craft without the db? | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | as from what I gather that's what I did pretty much | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ | [11:35] |
| diana_coman: | and because of the timing of mp's reset I can't surely tell whether that should have been logged or not (it was at the split moment when it said it finished but then that doesn't seem to have made it into the logs) | [11:35] |
| chetty: | well you couldnt actually create a new item ..even the bundle ..they have to get added | [11:35] |
| diana_coman: | but... | [11:35] |
| diana_coman: | but but but | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | that's even weirder then! | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | as I clearly created the bundle! | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | at least the bundle | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | I worked perfectly "fine" as far as I could tell on 1 chetty stick in my toolkit | [11:36] |
| chetty: | hmm but one item did create? well then db had to be running at that point | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know ? | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was in this nutty undead state. | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is why i say... who the fuck knows. but it seems the longer it ran the exponentially worse. | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | but then how the hell did it revert to some weird stage before I had even taken all things out of storage? | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | ah | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | moreover when mp got it back for a bit | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | in between | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | it was somewhere in between those two states | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | as in: toothpaste missing | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | but toolkit missing too | [11:38] |
| chetty: | well I am gonna deliberately break the db on test server and check stuff, see where I should shut it down if it happens again | [11:38] |
| chetty: | ahh the restart, it would have run again for a minute .. | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | enough to mess up the previous records | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [11:40] |
| chetty: | yeah just enough ..so I need to test a it to figure out how best to kill things and not leave an odd state | [11:41] |
| mod6_: | < diana_coman> mod6 you might want to start with lower-level books << ah makes sense. | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | I have a bunch | [12:17] |
| mod6_: | neat! | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | or well, I should check in the inventory first, lol | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, mod6 have some time to build some sb claims? | [12:17] |
| mod6_: | eh maybe for a little bit. | [12:19] |
| mod6_: | just a sec here... | [12:19] |
| mod6_: | ah jeeze, must have gotten netsplit off. | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | the more I look at the logging thing the more it seems that the only possible "quick" solution for the moment is just to dump the list of storage when asked to | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | anything more than that would either rely on the server anyway so kind of useless | [12:29] |
| jurov: | if you ever bothered to look to my code, it's there | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | or require pretty much a rewrite of the client basically | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | jurov do you mean the statements you added for spitting out skill stuff and the like? | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | or something else? | [12:30] |
| jurov: | yes, and same is there for storage and merchant | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | I looked at that, I know it | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | but for one thing it spits it to the console which is not exacly what I need | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | and for the other it is what I say above anyway, isn't it? | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | either I start adding that all over the client | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | or in points where messages from the server arrive hence reliant on server anyway | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | I guess it adds to the mess this morning that there wasn't even that in place, true | [12:33] |
| mod6: | alrighty, i've got about 30 mins here. | [12:33] |
| jurov: | ok | [12:33] |
| mod6: | connecting now | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | great mod6 | [12:33] |
| mod6: | what's incredible to me is how close all of these CDG claims are together that the bot can discern one from another. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't care about location mod6 | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | it gets directly the id of the claim object | [12:38] |
| mod6: | ohh. | [12:39] |
| mod6: | mp is reaping these hard | [12:39] |
| mod6: | 147 on the first one | [12:41] |
| mod6: | 77q | [12:41] |
| mod6: | 150 on the second. 78q on these. | [12:42] |
| mod6: | dang, just over the weight limit. | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | at base value that's kind of 8.5k per claim | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | kind of adds to my previous evidence that sticks are good only as kind of enhanced tickets at the lottery | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | nothing more | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, it's not that bad, as the sb will fetch atm more than base value anyway | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | chetty why does it give the "you started checking your storage with Heina" 2 times? | [12:46] |
| diana_coman: | I think I noticed this before some times too | [12:46] |
| diana_coman: | and now that I *really* check the main messages window I see it clearly | [12:47] |
| mod6: | ok so you want me just to dump the SBs back in one of the claims? | [12:49] |
| diana_coman: | can you bring it back? | [12:49] |
| mod6: | otherwise I can carry them back and put 'em in cold storage. | [12:49] |
| mod6: | yeah. | [12:49] |
| mod6: | its not that far. | [12:50] |
| diana_coman: | that'd be better, thanks | [12:50] |
| mod6: | np | [12:51] |
| mod6: | ok branches stored. | [13:00] |
| diana_coman: | thank you, mod6 | [13:28] |
| mod6: | no problemo! thank you! | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | for the moment I've added a "log" option to the bot, which will just dump into a log file (so with a timestamp too) the whole info from storage whenever you access a tab in the storage; if anyone wants it let me know and I'll put it on, otherwise I'll leave it for next release of any kind - by which time in any case I hope to get it in a more reasonable form | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | as the dump is more like a vomit of storage rather than anything else atm | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol vomit of storage is oddly appropriate. | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | omlette du disgorgestorage. | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu do you sell any bps of: flour, somewhat fashionable hat, congressional pulp, toupe, hoof gloves, toothpaste? | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | at leastr some of those. | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme go to town and check, i said i was gonna do a skill item count too before yest madness started | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | that'd be great | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~10 | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | k | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | rock like 100, sparkle like 300, duct tape like 50 and murky like 300 | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit this is worth a lot. | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | actualy the rock is only like 17k base it seems. sparkle however is 80k, making my q~180 set worth half a btc to the merchant check that out. | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah an fthe murky is only 11k not too bad either | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | uppity? | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | or whatever, scribblings | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | and old book lists? | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | maybe you should bid on Sunday, lol | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme see ehre | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | plain coarse flour yes. | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | hat yes pulp yes | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | toothpaste yes | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | gloves no. toupe yes | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | want 101 each or ? | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | great, otherwise I'd have to grind a samovar just for that or something | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | yes please | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk onesec | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | interesting whether such a role would make sense at any point - intermediate skill, grinding down some containers for xp and for selling recipes to shred | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | though quality is important for shredding too | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | 101 * ( (1.9*120) + (1.85*562) + 1.06*125 + 1.92*69+1.2*65 ) =162678.68 base | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | 250k let's say | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ^ | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | that's like 1.5 or what? | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | about there | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I guess I'll have to think about it then | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | are precisely those bps so rare or is that your \% for all bps? | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr, if anyone wants to sell me any recipes ill pay 135\% off base nqa. | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, 135\% sounds perfectly fine | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well yes, these are the rare ones in the booq line | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | hm, there might be the place for that role after all, lol | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibru | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | I'll calc, but at this rate it sounds more interesting to make myself a samovar and grind it down for the xp, potential loot and bps | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 samovar = 50 clicks ? so depending on overcraft, maybe 100 bps ? | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | the loot otherwise should be quite sizeable | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | need to calc for sure | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends, some products for instance were nevr made afaik. like the gloves. | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | long long time ago I made some for the fun of it | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | yep, still have 4 of them | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you can rp a cow ? | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | and 3 kilts, and 2 mockasillies | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | even 3 hauberks, lolz | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have some mockasillies too dun recall what was expedient | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is fucking criminal, 7 threads - >2+2 cft | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | o noes! | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i notice something interesting... now that q is down to 270, i actyuallly get 2+2 not 1+! | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so im actually way better off | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | what are you mining there? | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, for the smalls. obv tinies less valuable. | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | grass? | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | my exp on that | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | is that I can get surely positive no matter what (well, so far) as in number of threads at the end better than at start | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | even bare-handed | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | if I set it to 3 | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | as in 3 threads for the small | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ? not wiht 7, with 3 ? | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | if I set it to 1 it's lousy as no overcraft hence nothing | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | tried with 1 ? | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | nopt with 7 | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | tried it with 1 yeah | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | and no, that's lousy | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | as you basically make it all tinies | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you get better reesults with 3 than 7 or 1 ? | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | so you lose | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe this should be graphed | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | does bot log ? | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, where are the maps from? | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | of course it does | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe depending on your skill/quality you gotta put certain number in there. | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, you can plot from there this too | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i never used anything but 7 myself | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | admittedly I surely did not mine grass specifically as much as you I'd say | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya but... hm.... | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | emerging subtlety. | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | to some extent all this is speculation in the sense that ...hell knows what it shows on a double data set | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | or triple | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | or whatever | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | because you can argue well, you don't hit jackpots just as much then! | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | or whatever | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I'm a bit weary to give it as more than "my experience so far has been that..." | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | actually it's only toothpaste, pulp and flour from the "rare" bps which are with the samovar | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | the rest are mainly mcguyver and one lapidary (neckerbocker) | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | and what, toothpaste bps are rare? | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | with all the toothpaste you made, mircea_popescu? | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | or flour for that matter, sounds weird | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | reasonably rare, yes. the ft is like 6k, and i can't get overcraft on them. so im stuck getting even nothingf sometimes | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | oh, it's the trouble that you are the only one with gung-ho | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the OTHERS are even rarer. in fact, thinking about it... we don't even HAVE lapidary | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | so how the fuck would i make the bps if i ever need them | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | we will have it after sunday I suppose | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | unless daniel gets it and holds onto it | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | you never know | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it's certainly possible, not arguing that | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | tbh for the neckerbocker I don't mind paying the 1.5 | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | it's more the rest that uhm | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | the more im thinking about thios.... nah i dun wanna sell. | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have 30 screens i wanna make, i don't even have enough to cover my own needs there. | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | out of 30 screens I'd say you'll be out of tools before using up all the bits of nothing more likely | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | tools i can make. | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, it sounds like the most likely next huge bottleneck | [18:01] |
| chetty: | sounds like some praying is in order :P | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | or the book I suppose | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu how much do you ask for high q goop? | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 125 | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | or you mean bp ? | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | also danielpbarron, say whenever for your cft | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | also diana_coman how you stocked on groceries ? | [19:05] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, whenever | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok coming to town | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | selling anything as well ? | [19:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i have some shrooms | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. anything else you want ? | [19:15] |
| danielpbarron: | chetty sticks, toolkits | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | neither of these yet. | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw jurov, i also want spicy moss! | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | or mod6 either way | [19:18] |
| jurov: | still about half of the hardware to go | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. hit some moss too if you feel like it. only need ~1k :p | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, feel free to take all the tiny claims i leave | [19:24] |
| danielpbarron: | figure out what profit you can make from them and make me an offer on the enumerations | [19:24] |
| danielpbarron: | the small enumerations i want to make supplications with, but there's generally a surplus of the tinies | [19:25] |
| jurov: | would be only tens of copper per, with basics | [19:25] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe my high quality claims/enums in conjunction with your low rank building would yield multiple items per tiny claim | [19:26] |
| jurov: | plus it needs to adapt the code to automine them first | [19:26] |
| jurov: | interesting, how much it depends from claim/enum? | [19:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't tried it with tinies | [19:27] |
| danielpbarron: | it seems to be heavily dependant on those things | [19:28] |
| danielpbarron: | if our experience with the small shrooms is any indicator | [19:28] |
| jurov: | i was thinking it was because of quality bits | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | rank + stick + enum + bit \ these are the things that factor into it, I believe | [19:30] |
| danielpbarron: | possibly in addition to global seasonal effects | [19:30] |
| hanbot: | http://www.eulorum.org/Resource_Base_Values < new on eulorum. add stuff if you've got prices for stuff! | [19:40] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Resource Base Values - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose danielpbarron needs a fix to foxy's bot to not mine the smalls altogether | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly better resul;ts this way than if you ignore tinies | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice hanbot | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | probably benefit from also including the full name | [19:47] |
| hanbot: | ah okay | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile on the bad news front, my grass is now 272 | [19:59] |
| mod6: | diana_coman: hit me up tomorrow sometime when you want your SBs. | [23:43] |
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