| mircea_popescu: | lol that's gonna be a byline. | [00:04] |
| diana_coman: | morning | [05:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya. | [05:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | say, you got any higher shrooms / tlc ? im thinking of digging up some ords. | [05:26] |
| diana_coman: | I have some for sure | [05:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, around 165 | [05:26] |
| diana_coman: | a few minutes to finish this test craft run | [05:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | how many wm do you want? I have >200wm, but tlc I have only 8 at 165q | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | I'm in the village | [05:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think something like 20 / 8 will do me nicely. | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc it was 6 and 2 for a shiny rock and i got 4 | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | brt. | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | cool then | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ fyi: there is still some weird overweight mode-message I get when exploring (it doesn't have a corresponding system message and I wasn't overweight nor actually finding a claim so it really seems to be more of a glitch than anything else) | [05:54] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [06:51] |
| chetty: | done, but we might have an iffy few minutes ...let me know if you see anything odd pls | [07:05] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will do | [07:06] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu are you still there? bots are ready | [07:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am. | [07:07] |
| lobbesbot: | News from dianacoman: Foxyâ\u0080\u0099s Little Bots <http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/09/30/foxys-little-bots/> | [07:07] |
| diana_coman: | there | [07:07] |
| diana_coman: | I was waiting for that, lol | [07:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty interesting, will need an hour to go through this diana_coman | [07:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice stuff | [07:08] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it took me an hour to write it, lol | [07:08] |
| diana_coman: | prefers writing code it seems | [07:08] |
| chetty: | well code is generally more predictable outcomes, unless of course its c++ and multithread | [07:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | As a known issue, the exploring bot will tend to slowly creep backwards if your overall number of attempts is larger than size (hence, length of line). This is because Eulorans move faster backwards than forwardsâ\u0080¦ Iâ\u0080\u0099m not entirely sure if that truly says anything about Eulora as a world :D | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | any idea chetty why ^ | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | I use the forward/backward moves that the client retrieves from the server | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | so I really don't get it why it's the case that the character moves faster backwards, lol | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | also, I was wondering: is there some similar side movement defined? | [07:11] |
| diana_coman: | (it would help to move in a grid rather than just linear) | [07:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes there is sideways movement | [07:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | Q and E do it in default layout | [07:11] |
| diana_coman: | I know there is sideways movement, yeah, but I haven't found the actual move structure defined as such | [07:11] |
| diana_coman: | maybe I missed it | [07:11] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't truly comb it all for it | [07:12] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, it's not a huge thing | [07:12] |
| danielpbarron: | the link to the tar.gz doesn't work | [07:12] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [07:12] |
| diana_coman: | wtf I checked it a minute ago | [07:12] |
| diana_coman: | will be back, 1 min | [07:12] |
| chetty__: | \x08<\x08diana_coman\x08>\x08\x0F ?// not a clue | [07:14] |
| diana_coman: | try it now danielpbarron and thanks | [07:15] |
| diana_coman: | fucking wordpress messed it up | [07:15] |
| diana_coman: | nevermind then chetty__ it's not crucial | [07:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | let me guess, it removed dots in the filename | [07:17] |
| diana_coman: | neah, it insisted that it's a relative path | [07:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [07:17] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, the checksum fails | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | is increasingly tempted in making the blog static | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh common, lol | [07:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron do you mean that it's not that checksum you get or are you trying to check it automatically? | [07:18] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not the one i get | [07:18] |
| chetty__: | gonna take it down again, be down for a few minutes so the data base can be screwed with :P | [07:19] |
| diana_coman: | weird...let me check again then | [07:19] |
| diana_coman: | uhm not sure what happened there - I've uploaded the file again and updated the link, hopefully something works ok today, lol | [07:25] |
| diana_coman: | try again danielpbarron it should be about 130 MB the whole thing really as its the whole client | [07:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, including artfiles ? | [07:26] |
| diana_coman: | yes :p | [07:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | wouldn't it make sense to just ship the src dir and the root ? | [07:27] |
| chetty__: | yeah if you are gonna pass client copies around be faster if you leave the art files out | [07:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | drop it to like 5mb ? | [07:28] |
| danielpbarron: | ah i guess i wasn't getting the whole file before | [07:28] |
| diana_coman: | it probably would | [07:28] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: it surely would, lol | [07:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | mind doing that lol ? | [07:28] |
| diana_coman: | will do | [07:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly ppl have trouble with that large a dld with interruptions etc | [07:29] |
| diana_coman: | actually one needs the data file too at least, though it shouldn't be that big | [07:30] |
| chetty: | back up, let me know if you see anything odd pls | [07:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | chetty we have to ban diana_coman | [07:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | she's a terrorist. | [07:31] |
| diana_coman: | lol wut? | [07:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | plot to blow up the moon discovered. | [07:31] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahha, yessss | [07:32] |
| chetty: | hihihihihi | [07:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway : the recipes for chetty sticks ; toothpaste and rock shards were changed. | [07:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | sticks now take 1 tootphaste instead of 10 ; the toothpaste takes shards instead of plain rocks, and some BN and a little AE | [07:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's roughly 10x as expensive to make as before. | [07:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the shards take a little more sr and a boulder now. | [07:33] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah, fed up with using up the samovars for a few chetty sticks? | [07:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | this positively affects people with holdings of FT, and recipes thereof. i opted not to take any measures about it because stocks so low. | [07:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman deeper problem : 3k samovar decay, 500c bundle value. nuts. | [07:34] |
| diana_coman: | I've provided a minimal archive too mircea_popescu - hope I did not miss anything in there | [07:40] |
| diana_coman: | I'll go for a bit and will be back in about half an hour | [07:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | coolness. | [07:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you've included some spurious root files (such as an error log, and the locally generated .config which includes your own locale paths etc) | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise the sha sum matches (for the smaller file, didn't check other one). i've diffed your code and the changes are minimal and consistent with the intended usage. i've generally inspected the extra files added, they all seem fine and good to go. | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | will be testing this thing once it compiles. | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, I'll take those out, not sure why it ended up with the locally generated ones instead of the original ones, but anyways, thanks | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | got it up and working danielpbarron? | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, there should be a humongo supply of chetty sticks available later today as i dig through the required crafts. | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | is AE found ? | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | or should i say whew | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | I'll check properly and then update but tbh I think it's enough to put the src and data folders, the root should be no different iirc | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | so for the record : foxy's bot is pretty spiffy, does craftng any mining (in a line). | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | she got her choice of one of three skills for encouragement, and she chose FARMING. so now she's the first player with farming. | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you gonna drink it or auction it ? | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | drink it | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | will go then farming and enjoying the sun, back-breaking labour and all that or something | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i hear it's a great life. | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | as a quite direct consequence, I should have the whole lot of 100 adzes worn-out by tomorrow, lol | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | (I'm half way through it anyway) | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | and there should be higher q wpl, wwb, wlc, sg, lh and bbb coming soon | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | >D | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | no tlc ? i notice you omitted tlc. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | I NEED TLC | [10:12] |
| chetty__: | tlc? tender loving care? | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | ooo, tlc too | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | two leaf clover | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | chetty I might be wrong, but it seems possible to build the same claim repeatedly now? | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | (I had a whole bunch of claims in the same bloody spot so kind of weird, but...) | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | no ?! | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | full story: bot mined and got out of threads | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | so when I came to it | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | it had a pile of small enums | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | I went and got threads | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | started building the small claim sticks | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | and then realised it kept building even if I took the same one two times | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | one still needs the enum, of course | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | but... | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | I can perhaps try it on purpose if I dig a few more claims, let me see | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah please do that. | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't work for tiny claims ... | [11:58] |
| diana_coman: | will wait to get 2 small | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | it could be that the linear mining got two claims so incredibly close you clicked on two diff ones ? | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | no, at the last ones I purposefully NOT closed the window | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | that of the claim | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | as I thought of the same thing | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | so just get your berries out, put new thread and build, repeat | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | and it worked... | [12:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk. | [12:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it doesn't work for tinies but it works for smalls ?! | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | so far it would seem so, I'm trying here to get 2 smalls lol | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | got 1 so far | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | to properly just test it again | [12:10] |
| diana_coman: | to see whether it's general or a glitch caused by the high-density mining lol | [12:10] |
| diana_coman: | or should I say farming | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i actually have multiple small enums so ima go try myself i guess. | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | go ahead, meanwhile I am *totally* out of threads ffs | [12:15] |
| diana_coman: | I got 2 smalls but no threads in storage lol | [12:15] |
| diana_coman: | so making threads... | [12:15] |
| diana_coman: | can't believe how much threads it ate already | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | yep, it works | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | I built two times the same small berries claim | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | weird why it would be broken for small but fine for tiny | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | maybe the use vs combine thing? | [12:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | weird. | [12:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i guess chetty has a full plate to look into | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | got any thread? lol | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | o shit, this is going to come down again huh. | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, for a while electron had grass. now he doesn't. | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | the thread and grass thing? | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so... no thread. | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | I still have grass so I'm making thread, but I need a noob to build the claims if I go hunting for grass | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | or whatever, I leave it bare-handed and build only tiny ones dunno | [12:24] |
| diana_coman: | hoping for some ordinaries too | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know i did two runs and came out even on both. | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | one was for RF the other for SR | [12:24] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: my enums are high q | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | for the rf one i spent the equivalent of 102.666 fruits and got 103 | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | because of my gathering high rank | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | for the sr one spent like 115k got 113k | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | so it's already kind of overcraft for a noob to build my claims | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | + good threads + lower quality which I don't care for anyway | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | it should really be good | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | but dunno, anyone interested? jurov, mod6 VariaVarietatis, gernika, hanbot? | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | or lobbes phf ? | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | has threads http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt | [12:47] |
| diana_coman: | I'll buy those danielpbarron | [12:54] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | I tried to use a chetty stick and it wore it down but it didn't actually explore | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | it complained you can't explore in the same place twice in a row although it had no reason for it | [13:06] |
| diana_coman: | and it fucked a whole chetty stick | [13:06] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, now I get both "you can't explore in the same place twice in a row " AND "ouch it hurts" | [13:06] |
| diana_coman: | wonderful | [13:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | and it's totally stuck again though I have no idea how/why | [13:08] |
| chetty: | well I moved the position check later in the process to try and fix it, didnt work. I'll be putting it back in a bit | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw re the small claims issue: I checked by trying to "use" instead of combine 1 thread in a small claim -> it complained that the claim had been built already | [13:14] |
| diana_coman: | but then it built it anyway | [13:14] |
| diana_coman: | so it seems to be a check missing at combine | [13:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah! | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | so apparently that check move cost me a chetty stick, ugh | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | yay, I can explore again | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | not sure how/why | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | I logged out and in about 4 times, lol | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | and built stuff in between, but the building hadn't solved it | [13:16] |
| chetty: | I am really totally puzzled about this getting stuck, every way I read this code it simply should not happen unless maybe you crash in the middle of an explore or something really radical | [13:33] |
| chetty: | hmm maybe move while exploring .. not sure about that, needs more test on that idea | [13:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've never been able to reproduce it myself. | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | I can't say I have a clear way to reproduce it tbh | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | this time I totally did not expect it | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | hence the stick | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | it wasn't even after an overflow really | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | I'm good at running into gremlins I suppose | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, if you right click a recipe while bot is running, it will decide it's now building that and fail your run with "not enough ingredients" | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, so leave poor bot alone | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | guess i will, had no idea | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | (was sitting there for the past few hours, this 2 hour craft ended up taking like 12 so far lol) | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, lol | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | well, it did complain promptly I'm sure | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | I can lock it really | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | it's not a big thing - I just assumed that you let it be to do its job though | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah not a big thing , i just didn't know | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing I can't stop you from moving the recipes around for instance and yeah, it will fail surely | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | is that why it built some studs? lol | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [13:41] |
| diana_coman: | I saw some studs I think in your toolkit at some point? | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | part of the shoes. | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | oh | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 lotus 4 flotsam 12 tacks | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | so bot released around 1 pm here, it's almost 7 pm here, it can't be 12 hours!!! | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | o also, is it container decay aware ? | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | it is in that it stops | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't change container | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, i had started the craft on the clicker last night, had all sorts of issues with that too | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, but it stops once it's worn out ? | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | how does it know ? | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | once it gets the message that it is worn out it stops | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, so it wastes 1. | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | just plain string compare on the message | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | uhm? | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | what does it waste? | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | afaik if you try to build on worn container you lose the bundle. | [13:43] |
| diana_coman: | no? | [13:44] |
| diana_coman: | this is new to me | [13:44] |
| diana_coman: | maybe a new feature? lol | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | grins | [13:44] |
| diana_coman: | well, can't guess features like that, lolz | [13:44] |
| diana_coman: | that's really one main issue: the client doesn't hold the data on items in any reasonable and accessible way | [13:45] |
| chetty: | I think that would actually count as an undiscovered feature :P | [13:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | so are you ready for the next update idea ? | [13:45] |
| diana_coman: | collects ideas | [13:45] |
| chetty: | oh my, when did the grues show up? | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | add a merchant mode to it. whereby : 1. it reads from a local file what prices you want for what items ; 2. responds to "Hi X" messaged with a list of what it has (count, qty, price per item, \% off base) ; 3. accepts any trade request ; 4. feeds items into window as per request ' 5. accepts trade if enough money or complains about wroing money. | [13:46] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, I'll defo need a 0.005 of the trade or something for that :))) | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao. because why! | [13:48] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [13:48] |
| chetty: | ata girl diana_coman | [13:50] |
| diana_coman: | why does the bank charge me for exchanging coins? | [13:54] |
| chetty: | greed | [14:00] |
| chetty: | how else to pay for the bezzle? | [14:01] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 if no one screams | [14:07] |
| chetty: | I cant really test it because I cant make the explore get stuck, but next time it happens try /unstick | [14:10] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will do | [14:11] |
| chetty: | done | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahh life with foxy's bot is certainly a lot more pleasant | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | no need to figure out the clickers anymore | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu how did the clogs run go? | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | btw, are you cooking anything now in that samovar or is there something wrong? | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | finished, got 30 of em. now doing toothpaste. | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i should be. aren't i ? | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, it seems empty, not sure ? | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah maybe it's done one sec | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | 30 clogs, not bad | [15:20] |
| jurov: | electron definitely ran out of inventory? | [18:11] |
| danielpbarron: | inventory was purged in light of an item duping glitch i discovered | [18:36] |
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