| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [10:50] |
| chetty: | done | [10:58] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, you wanna bid on this auction for me? | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | as luck would have it i'll probably be out for dinner when it happens | [16:40] |
| Birdman: | which auction | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | the one tonight | [16:40] |
| Birdman: | i wont be around from 7-11 tonigh | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | beat | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | whats the auction for? | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | "golden goose" | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | i can always use the irc on my phone | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | it's like magic bag but gives 10k per day | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | ooo that sounds awesome | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i could do that too | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i think you have to be in game | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | i see | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | then im not sure ill be of help | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | if i can bid from irc then i can participate whenever it happens | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | it would seem that way yes | [16:42] |
| Birdman: | i can make you mosss sups if you want though | [16:42] |
| danielpbarron: | idk if that would entail depositing a retainer, or getting a credit line or what | [16:42] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah let's do that | [16:43] |
| chetty: | I was planning to ask MP to delay that auction, what do you guys think? | [16:43] |
| danielpbarron: | delay till when? | [16:43] |
| chetty__: | well a few days at least, I got sick, really behind on dev stuffs | [16:45] |
| Birdman: | trade when ready | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | chetty I think I see what you mean: if the auction is directly linked to the new release, it might make sense to postpone it until next week or when the release is ready too | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | unrelated: the inventory is doing something funny: I have some bits of nothing that are there (I can store them in storage for instance and the bot can use them too) but I can't see them anywhere (they seem to be in a hidden slot or something); putting them to storage and taking them out again did not help | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, accept | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | (this happened when there was otherwise plenty of space in inventory, so it's not really the overflow thing or not directly) | [16:49] |
| Birdman: | that happened to me before with some things diana | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman btw, I realised that the price of enums actually has to go up since 1 explore wears down about 178 out of a tool so even if I get one enum per hit, it's still kind of 200 coppers cost | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | I had it some time before but I thought at that time it had to do with the overflow | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | do it bear handed if you want to sell them, or take exp out of your cost, right? | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | and with the enums one can't even count on luck /loot since more than 1 enum is never possible for an explore | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | the reason for using tools is the exp i thought | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | have you done it bare handedly lately? | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | No | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | I'm quite curious what you get.... | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | for comparison: some weeks ago I could get some wm bare-handed, but nowadays it seems that there really is no chance of that (in 4 hours of exploring I got precisely none) | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | oh, and similarly, for moss I got ...1 | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | so at least for now I guess tiny enums are 200 minimum | [16:53] |
| diana_coman: | I get them around 300 quality though | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | come to think about it: a tiny pss if mined would surely give me 1 stone which is base value 262 at 100q | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | given I mine them around 160q | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | if I calculate based on what I lose by giving the enum away | [16:56] |
| Birdman: | then it seems the supplications are very under valued at the moment, or the tools are very over valued | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | so based on the above, the price for a tiny enum of polished stone would actually have to be... 400 | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | without any profit | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | (the pss is 419 just selling it to the merchant directly, take away 11 for the bit of nothing though it might be for free) | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | so what can I say, to make a profit I would even have to charge more than 400 for a tiny | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough the smalls might be the same though | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | (not more) | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | re tools overvalued - that's another unclear thing | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | subtract the cost of a bit o' nothing though | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | each tool is at least 1 wm | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | so subtract it danielpbarron: 419-11 = 408 | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | 11 lol | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | where can i get these 11 copper bits? will but. | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | buy* | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | I have about 100 if I can find them (see above my trouble) | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | actually 170 | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | 100 doesn't last long | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | I can sell them | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | I know | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | is shredding still yielding only 1 per? | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | weird | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | so no, I'm not shredding | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't make any sense for bits really | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | so it was a fluke that i got so many times 101 ? | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | I used to get that too | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | but dunno what happened | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | i got thousands that way | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | I stopped shredding for quite some time and then when I tried again it gave...1 | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | well done for you, what can I say, lol | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | so then when bits run out, there should be an overflow of tiny enums for which players have no use | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | so Birdman re cost of tools: each tool takes 1 wm (not to mention other stuff) so if 1 wm costs about 5k in tool decay to find, the tools are actually even more expensive... | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha danielpbarron, how would that happen? | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | esp for the enums that are wanted? | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | simple, just because bits are gone doesn't mean gathering stops | [17:03] |
| Birdman: | right, so maybe its all over priced | [17:03] |
| Birdman: | or the copper under priced | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing: why would the bits be gone; any sany person would at least keep the ones from keys if otherwise there are none, no? | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | you keep keys now? | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | and second: sure, but why would you go gathering pss if you don't have the bits to build them? | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I do | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | they don't transform until the stupid claim stick goes away, and that doesn't happen unless someone is standing near them | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, not really, no | [17:05] |
| Birdman: | trade when ready dan | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | you mean it doesn't happen if someone is near them? | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | as they guard it? | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean it doesn't happen if the sticks aren't loaded into memory or whatever | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | time freezes where there are no players | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you mean whether you are online or something | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | well,lately it was at least you or me I think | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | even if online, if not near them, they are frozen in time | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | they must be loaded into view | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | no | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | well i've had keys sit in my inventory for longer than they should have | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | eventually threw them out | [17:06] |
| Birdman: | so how do you think we should tackle this situation? you are the explorer here foxy, we all need dan to further the sacrifice skill, so would you want to commision me to make the supps for you? | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, I have a few that have this problem, but I have also some that transformed into bits although they were surely not within vie | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | view | [17:07] |
| Birdman: | there seems to be no other way to go about doing it, unless dan is willing to pay an arm and a leg for each supp | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | the final product of my sacrifice is valued at like 500 base value | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, how would that work as I don't see it? | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | so someone's math is wrong | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | the base values for some items are way off | [17:07] |
| Birdman: | you provide the enums i need, and keep the end product being the supplication, then resell to dan | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | for instance the magic bag is valued at...3l | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | 3k | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman that will never happen | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | I already went through that | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing dan doesn't want low q supps | [17:08] |
| Birdman: | well it takes 20 enums for any given draft | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | yes: I am fine to mine them myself and use them myself as they would even still give me a good overcraft | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | aight let me just point out before it gets out of hand, my name is not dan | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | and I would make supps that are much higher quality than yours | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | sorry danielpbarron, I copied from Birdman there | [17:09] |
| Birdman: | then it seems ill be mining pss myself and making only those supps until the quality is what he needs | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | so Birdman as I said earlier: if you want to do this yourself, you need the bankroll | [17:10] |
| Birdman: | then charging him 12k per.. | [17:10] |
| danielpbarron: | and on that note, my last name isn't 'Baron' | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, lolz | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, danielpbarron? | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | so I see it isn't but what with it? | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | that one's for mp | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm fine with providing the enums for the supps | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | my new altar is already 1/9th used | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | we don't need a crazy lot of these things | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm trying to get a few more ranks in before i attempt the sparks sacrifice | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | and rumor has it that will yield something very interesting | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | how many tries you reckon you have left in the altar? | [17:13] |
| danielpbarron: | 75ish | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | but do you get a decent overcraft with the supps now? | [17:13] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | so then? | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | or wait, you mean you will provide all the enums for the supps until birdman gets some decent quality? | [17:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i diluted my million quality ingredients so that i could optimize exp per try | [17:14] |
| danielpbarron: | heh no | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, thought so | [17:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean that i don't expect to get high quality supps any time soon | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | oh, so you can use low quality supps but with the high quality ingredients to still get overcraft ? | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | that might work I suppose | [17:15] |
| danielpbarron: | results so far are abysmal | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | and not for lack of overcrafting | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | so maybe the supplication is limiting it too much | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know how that works | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | can't help there, but what can I say, other than offering to buy a pack from Birdman and then make the high q supps for you I can't see anything else I can do | [17:17] |
| Birdman: | the price would be outrageous | [17:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i was able to sell some tokens for 1 million each, so maybe it's not so outrageous | [17:17] |
| danielpbarron: | that was a one-off; I don't know if it will ever be a thing again | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | but "base value" is more like 500 | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | the grotesque ones are worth lot more, but the ingredients to make them are in the multiple millions | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | lolz birdman for one thing name it at least we know where we are and for the other you can either get *some* money now and therefore have some bankroll for the new skills in which you are better off competing since everyone else starts at the same time as you | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | or ...you can keep them and dunno wait until they are useless or something | [17:19] |
| Birdman: | for one, how many would you want of each basic supplication draft | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | let's say 100 each | [17:19] |
| Birdman: | and two, i really, really want to do bouq | [17:20] |
| Birdman: | hm | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | nah man just wait for one of my faith skills to come out | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | does that have any rational reason ? | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | or is it just because you fell in love with it or something? | [17:20] |
| Birdman: | hm | [17:20] |
| Birdman: | give me a min | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | k | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | rational is defeat | [17:21] |
| Birdman: | ^ | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [17:21] |
| Birdman: | mp said it i think | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | 3 square meals a day and an hour in the yard is rational | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | oh, lolz | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | the real world is not rational | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | sure, it's not | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | so then love seems to be a better motivation | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | this doesn't mean that you make all your decisions specifically non-rationally | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | or does it? | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | although i don't know why a dude would fall in love with the skill the requires wearing heels | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | (why i didn't want to pursue) | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | I did not say better: I just asked which was the case | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | so that I know what I am talking about, that's all | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | if im going to be switching skills | [17:24] |
| Birdman: | and not trying to do bouq | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha danielpbarron | [17:24] |
| Birdman: | what am i to do with the rest of my drafts and screens | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | smiles | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | they are not worthless | [17:24] |
| Birdman: | they are if no one will buy them | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman as I said earlier, if you want to put the screens in the package, do it | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | read the log | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | fine with me | [17:25] |
| Birdman: | right, but i have tens of thousands of drafts | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | the low quality ones will eventually become worth more than their base value if that skill ever becomes a regular thing | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | what's their base value now? | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | "I can make finished product of this high quality out of cheap low quality draft" | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | actually that's already the case i think | [17:26] |
| Birdman: | most of their base values are around 0 | [17:27] |
| danielpbarron: | so yeah they are defo worth more than that | [17:28] |
| Birdman: | well yeah obviously lol | [17:28] |
| danielpbarron: | use mp's formula to find out by how much | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | it's debatable though how much more than that | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | since all you need is another noob to get precisely the same ton of low quality drafts | [17:29] |
| danielpbarron: | "another noob" is scarce | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | for the moment | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | not even *that* scarce though | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | and it wears the table | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | also scarce | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | true, that is the main cost: table wear + cost of 12 enums or whatever it takes | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | divided by 5k probably or some such | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | since the huge overcraft tends to do that quite regularly | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | btw danielpbarron you've been exploring bare handedly lately, right? how does it go? | [17:32] |
| danielpbarron: | it goes not as well as it used to | [17:32] |
| Birdman: | the cheapest sup to make is the stones, it only take 1-7 cft and 17 tiny enums | [17:32] |
| danielpbarron: | but i can find uncommons bare-handed | [17:32] |
| danielpbarron: | (that is: stones, moss, thorns, etc) | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | like how many per hour let's say? | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | found wm? | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | 1 or 2 tinies per hour | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe less | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, that's actually not *that* bad | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i never aimed to get a rare, but yes i got a beetle once | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | either I am really so unlucky that my numbers are just different or something is really weird | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | well, once like that sure | [17:34] |
| danielpbarron: | bare-handed is more for the gathering exp than actually getting enums | [17:35] |
| Birdman: | dan extend me a few 10million coppers on a credit line | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that is ok | [17:35] |
| danielpbarron: | although if aimed at common stuff you shoudl expect to get some items | [17:35] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, borrow from mp | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | I might do a run just out of curiosity | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | I would expect at least for commons to get something though | [17:35] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah you should get smalls even | [17:36] |
| danielpbarron: | whereas bare-handed uncommons will probably not get you any smalls | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | it's not even that | [17:36] |
| danielpbarron: | so the best bare-handed thing to aim at is stones | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | I left it on 2 occasions for 3 and 4 hours respectively | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | just walking in a straight line | [17:36] |
| danielpbarron: | since the stone supplication draft doesn't need smalls for whatever reason | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | so it kept going | [17:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i think it's a mistake | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | and it found nothing | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | 1 moss on one occasion | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | and nothing on the ohter | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, let me leave it a bit right now, why not | [17:37] |
| Birdman: | I dont want to be a debtor to mp lol, i figured if i come see you itd be easy enough to give you fiats or whetever, i just dont have access to btc | [17:37] |
| Birdman: | plus keeping a debt in btc freaks me out a little, could be more than i could ever afford tomorrow | [17:38] |
| danielpbarron: | but you'd have it still | [17:38] |
| Birdman: | I plan on using it | [17:38] |
| danielpbarron: | so use it carefully | [17:38] |
| danielpbarron: | make sure to profit | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman have you made at least a count of what you have and what you want for it? | [17:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i think mp wants 5\% in a month or something | [17:39] |
| danielpbarron: | and we're all pretty used to paying like 25\% premium on stuff | [17:40] |
| danielpbarron: | so it shouldn't be hard | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | if im not mistaken there are 4 of the common drafts you would need | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | i have well over 10k of each | [17:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i have to go afk for dinner now | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [17:40] |
| Birdman: | if i was to give you 100 of each, id for sure want over 2 million for each set of 100 | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman you paid 1.5 mil for the screens + 100 leather | [17:41] |
| Birdman: | maybe less if youd be willing to just trade enumerations for them | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | and you want 8 mil? | [17:41] |
| Birdman: | well | [17:41] |
| Birdman: | i want 100 million | [17:41] |
| Birdman: | but thats unreasonable | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:42] |
| Birdman: | i really want this to be my skill | [17:42] |
| danielpbarron: | he got screens in the auction for the leather supplication drafts? | [17:42] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | that's what he said earlier | [17:42] |
| danielpbarron: | oh then you didn't pay that much really | [17:42] |
| danielpbarron: | the screens alone are worth more than that | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | exactly | [17:42] |
| danielpbarron: | aha | [17:42] |
| Birdman: | thats my price and im stickin to it | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | slaps Birdman around a bit with a large screen | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | afk | [17:43] |
| Birdman: | id much rather just progress in the skill myself | [17:43] |
| Birdman: | In a few days i think ill have the bank roll to buy enums from you, so if we could all sit tight until then it'll work itself out | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | I doubt it will work out the way you think | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | but I'm certainly not going to pay what they are not worth even by far | [17:45] |
| Birdman: | that is fine | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | is thinking of exchanging enums for basic supp drafts | [17:48] |
| Birdman: | <Birdman> maybe less if youd be willing to just trade enumerations for them | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | how would that be? | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | figure out your price per enumeration, and then we'd figure out a price for the drafts that you could pay with the enumerations | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | better figure out the number of enums you want per basic draft and it saves a ton of wasted time | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | though I can't exactly see how you thought this out, lol | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | you'd want 400 basic drafts in total 100 of each, how about enough ingredients for me to make 800 supps, doesnt matter which ones | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'd be maybe fine to do that for a smaller set, like 25 of each (so 100 total), will give you the enums to make 200 supps | [17:57] |
| Birdman: | ah | [17:58] |
| Birdman: | no dice though, because once you get 1 of the drafts, you get them all | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but I did not say 1 although probably I should, lol | [17:59] |
| Birdman: | so really dont even worry about the number of drafts, take 1k or 1 it doesnt matter to me, id just want the enums for 800 supps | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | that's at least 5 mil right there | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | not really counting everything in | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | ~ 6.5 mil | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | so no, as I said above: I'm fine to give you the ingredients for 200 supps and that is it, take it or leave it | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | will otherwise just sell them whenever you find you have money to buy them, sure | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | what q do you produce? | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | 300 | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | that might fluctuate, of course | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | so: around that | [18:08] |
| Birdman: | whats your bouq level? | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, what is this? | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | that's the qual I produce for enums | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | oh i meant q for supps lol | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I did not make some new ones now, but last time I made them I think they were around 160 | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | should be more by now really | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | well damn | [18:10] |
| Birdman: | tinkering has to do with it | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | of course | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | that's what I kept telling you, lol | [18:10] |
| Birdman: | so i guess you guys are right to say its a derpy idea to try bouq | [18:10] |
| Birdman: | sighs why did i invest in it then | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | so just get your money back and the exp you got for free | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | what's wrong with that? | [18:11] |
| Birdman: | well i may have spent ~ 1.5 million on that alone, but i put 10 mil into eulora itself | [18:11] |
| Birdman: | and have almost nothing to show for it | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | so? eulora is still there and there is still time to show for it | [18:11] |
| Birdman: | will you wholesale buy all my drafts including rare ones and basic, screens, and any crappy little supps ive made for 6 million? | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, why exactly would I do that? | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | look: I'll give you 2mil for the screens and a full set of basic supps | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | that's about it | [18:13] |
| Birdman: | i paid 2 million for one screens | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, you got 1 screens + 100 supps for 1.5 mil | [18:14] |
| Birdman: | i think they're worth more than that, especially since any left are now more worn, and one has been lost | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | I am paying you basically more | [18:14] |
| Birdman: | i bought another one after that at 2 million | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | I have plenty, lolz | [18:14] |
| Birdman: | of screens? | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | I don't really *need* the screens | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I had, remember? | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't want to sell them to you | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | I still have them | [18:14] |
| Birdman: | plus, you were trying to sell me screens for 10 million if i remember correctly | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | yep, because I didn't want to sell them really | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | turns out I was right not to, anyway | [18:15] |
| Birdman: | 5 million and you have a deal | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, I am willing to buy your screens to in order to give you some more money for the things, but if you prefer, I am fine to buy just a full set of supps (like 100 of each) for 400 000 | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | that's all, either 2mill for screens+ supps, or 0.4mil for supps | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | offer valid today while I am still around | [18:16] |
| Birdman: | ill pass | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | fine with me | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | btw mp has a recipe for screens and he is trying to make more | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | so don't count on screens becoming really scarce | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | let me know when you have money to buy enums then I suppose | [18:18] |
| Birdman: | will do | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | chetty I have again keys (quite new ones) to claims that are gone...the claims were probably unlocked so it's fine that they are gone, but then shouldn't the keys have gone too? | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: become bits of nothing or at least lose the pos of the claim whatever | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw danielpbarron indeed for basics apparently I even find small claims bare handed | [18:36] |
| chetty__: | if you were logged on when the change happened its a bit messed up, should clear next time you log diana_coman | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | oh, let me try then | [18:37] |
| danielpbarron: | is here via phone in restaurant | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | it seems it did chetty__ thanks | [18:39] |
| chetty__: | :) | [18:39] |
| thestringpuller: | chetty__: what happened to your nick? lol | [18:40] |
| chetty__: | using a diff computer atm | [18:54] |
| mod6: | Did I miss it? | [18:54] |
| mod6: | I've been writing documentation... but I'm in Euloralandia. | [18:54] |
| diana_coman: | I'm not sure it's still on today, mod6 | [18:56] |
| mod6: | OH ok. sorry. | [19:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i sure made a total mess of this golden goose auction huh. | [19:08] |
| mod6: | oh, no. i've been just not watching very close. was writing docs and updating the site. | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, is it still on? | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, who of the interested are here ? danielpbarron ? hanbot ? who else was it that asked me about it, jurov ? | [19:10] |
| danielpbarron: | is here, but not in-game | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't get in you mean ? | [19:11] |
| hanbot: | is around | [19:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm logged in but not at real computer | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [19:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm using irc from my phne in a resaurant | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | didja want to bid on it ? | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh, actually, it turns out i've not actually even created/tested the object. | [19:12] |
| diana_coman: | so I got 17 flotsam bare handed omfg | [19:12] |
| danielpbarron: | ya, and if it's in an hour i can do it in game probably; otherwise would have to do from here if that's allowed | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | sorry everyone, it's gonna be next sunday! | [19:12] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [19:13] |
| mod6: | ok np! | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | I should actually mine still non-rares and sell them for whatever | [19:13] |
| danielpbarron: | closes phone | [19:13] |
| mod6: | min bid was proposed at like 100M ecu right? | [19:13] |
| mod6: | or 100M+? | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc it was 10 | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | goes to look | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | next sunday sounds good as it's anyway midnight here... | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually, no min bid is noted. | [19:14] |
| mod6: | ahh, ok. don't why i had thought that. | [19:16] |
| mod6: | the screen shots of the version are awesome. | [19:17] |
| chetty__: | :D | [19:24] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, when in run mode, one also jumps higher :))) | [19:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i got 1 tiny stone enum while i was out | [20:15] |
| danielpbarron: | (from bare-handed gathering) | [20:15] |
| danielpbarron: | btw the moss supplications are very +ev for some reason | [23:27] |
| danielpbarron: | or just a fluke | [23:27] |
| danielpbarron: | only did 2 so far | [23:27] |
| Birdman: | well there's only one way to find out right | [23:27] |
| danielpbarron: | but the quality of the bundle was 8 using quality 5k moss and yield was already nice | [23:28] |
| danielpbarron: | and then i tried quality 150ish moss and the resulting bundle was 2. the yield was like 6 times greater | [23:29] |
| danielpbarron: | the other stuff i sacrificed would make bundles 250+ quality | [23:30] |
| Birdman: | buy all my ~ 50-60 quality sups for like 3k a piece | [23:31] |
| Birdman: | 1/5 the cost for like 1/3 the quality | [23:31] |
| Birdman: | if there is anything you need to be tinkered for a really low quality, ill be glad to do it just to keep certain recipies i can use to shred | [23:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll trade you high quality grass for low quality thread | [23:34] |
| danielpbarron: | and i'll trade high quality thread for low quality braided thread | [23:35] |
| Birdman: | i could make some for you, and see what the loot is | [23:35] |
| danielpbarron: | and i'll trade high quality braided thread for low quality coarse cordage | [23:35] |
| Birdman: | i get the point lol set me up with a pack of all 3 and ill see what the loot is | [23:35] |
| danielpbarron: | some sort of deal where I get more of the item in question than if I had done the craft myself | [23:36] |
| Birdman: | if theres no reason for me to make low q items for you then it wont work out | [23:36] |
| Birdman: | but if you need them ill provide it | [23:36] |
| Birdman: | and give you any loot that isnt part of shredding | [23:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i can craft the low quality stuff into high quality stuff | [23:37] |
| danielpbarron: | and those three things are in order | [23:37] |
| danielpbarron: | 3 grass -> 1 thread 3 thread -> 1 braided 7 braided -> 1 cordage | [23:37] |
| Birdman: | if you want me to make them for you i will | [23:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i do | [23:38] |
| danielpbarron: | let me figure out a ratio | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | cool im in game | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | wanna buy an ordinary wpl claim? | [23:38] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | 20k | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | i forget what we agreed on last for them | [23:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll take it | [23:39] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [23:39] |
| Birdman: | do you have an excess of certain recipies i could buy? | [23:39] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [23:40] |
| danielpbarron: | see above | [23:40] |
| danielpbarron: | hence why this scheme | [23:40] |
| Birdman: | i dont follow | [23:40] |
| Birdman: | also, i have a bunch of slag at ~ 150 quality | [23:40] |
| danielpbarron: | when you craft my high quality ingredients into your low quality products, you'll get tons of blueprints as loot | [23:41] |
| Birdman: | oh ok | [23:41] |
| danielpbarron: | and when i use your low quality ingredients to make high quality product, i get no loot, using up my tons of blueprints | [23:41] |
| danielpbarron: | which is threatening to stop up my storage | [23:41] |
| Birdman: | i see | [23:42] |
| Birdman: | do you have 17 solid branches that i could make a ppb? | [23:42] |
| Birdman: | i have 60 | [23:42] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt | [23:43] |
| danielpbarron: | er, n/m i don't have that listed | [23:43] |
| Birdman: | well it seems the only way to aquire these recipies is through tinkering, and the bouq is dependant on tinkering as well | [23:44] |
| Birdman: | soo let me tinker lots of things you need | [23:44] |
| danielpbarron: | 4k for the 17 branches and 20k for the ordinary makes 16k i owe for the claim | [23:46] |
| Birdman: | is extremely creaky velium something of value? | [23:46] |
| danielpbarron: | used to make the rare supplications | [23:46] |
| Birdman: | sounds good will you buy the ppb? | [23:46] |
| danielpbarron: | you should better sell that to mp or foxy | [23:46] |
| Birdman: | kk | [23:47] |
| danielpbarron: | or you should use it yourself | [23:47] |
| danielpbarron: | to get chetty stick blueprints | [23:47] |
| Birdman: | what do i make with ppb | [23:47] |
| danielpbarron: | chetty's divining stick needs 3 ppb 7 tpt 1-10 pss 10 flinty toothpaste | [23:48] |
| Birdman: | ah | [23:49] |
| danielpbarron: | and it's a mcguyvering thing | [23:49] |
| Birdman: | interested in the low q sups for cheap as well? | [23:49] |
| danielpbarron: | the base value on those things is like 250 | [23:49] |
| danielpbarron: | base value on tiny enums is like 2 | [23:49] |
| danielpbarron: | so you guys defo have some math wrong | [23:49] |
| Birdman: | and those are obviously irrelevant numbers | [23:50] |
| Birdman: | dianas cost is supposedly ~ 400 copper just to mine a single enumeration | [23:50] |
| danielpbarron: | well that's just not right | [23:50] |
| Birdman: | sups take 20 enumerations, wear on the screen and all that | [23:50] |
| danielpbarron: | not factoring ordinaries remarkables sizeables and whatever else happens next | [23:50] |
| danielpbarron: | that is the true aim of gathering | [23:51] |
| danielpbarron: | not tinies and smalls | [23:51] |
| Birdman: | i think she isnt accounting for the value of exp and finding the higher valued claims | [23:51] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [23:51] |
| danielpbarron: | only when you get to ordinary and above can you really jack up the overcraft | [23:51] |
| danielpbarron: | that's where the math is wrong | [23:51] |
| Birdman: | but for her to calculate that she'd need huge sample size | [23:52] |
| danielpbarron: | nobody has built a remarkable i think | [23:52] |
| danielpbarron: | and i suspect most ordinaries get wasted | [23:52] |
| danielpbarron: | used incorrectly | [23:52] |
| Birdman: | well im in game | [23:54] |
| Birdman: | so trade when you have the things ready | [23:54] |
| danielpbarron: | so it's not that a tiny enumeration "cost this much because that's how much the tool cost and that's how many i get per tool" | [23:54] |
| Birdman: | well it is that | [23:54] |
| danielpbarron: | it's more like small and tiny enumerations are consolation prizes for not having found something better | [23:54] |
| Birdman: | but also how many ordinaries smalls remarkables etc | [23:54] |
| Birdman: | so you'd need a very large sample size to determine the true cost | [23:55] |
| Birdman: | becuase finding 100 tinies might look very expensive, but if you find a few remarkables after that 100 itd probably be dirt cheap | [23:55] |
| danielpbarron: | the cost to make small and tiny is therefor 0 | [23:55] |
| Birdman: | no thats wrong | [23:55] |
| danielpbarron: | well it's near whatever the base value is | [23:57] |
| Birdman: | then why would 20 enumerations being worth around 40 coppers be bouqed into an item worth | [23:57] |
| Birdman: | over 10x that | [23:57] |
| danielpbarron: | multiply that by the number of them you'd expect to get, add to base value of all the other claims times the number of those you'd expect to get, etc | [23:58] |
| Birdman: | does the base value of the screens and clogs reflect the same? where a single use of both is worth that gap of ~ 200 copper | [23:58] |
| danielpbarron: | bouqinism wears an expensive item | [23:58] |
| danielpbarron: | the screens | [23:58] |
| danielpbarron: | this imbues value into the lesser parts | [23:59] |
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