| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [06:59] |
| chetty: | say server reset in 5 | [06:59] |
| chetty: | done | [07:07] |
| Birdman: | i think ill treat myself to foodworks smoothie | [10:40] |
| Birdman: | with kale added | [10:40] |
| Birdman: | i need ntrition | [10:40] |
| Birdman: | only had pizza and chicken cutlet past 3 weeks | [10:40] |
| chetty: | pizza actually sounds good, but I would have to make it myself cause the stuff they call pizza here is not edible | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, what do they make for pizza there then? | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I have again a lot of explore without any end message at all | [11:36] |
| diana_coman: | I think the exp is actually given (as I can see a skill message coming through), but for some reason no sys messages make it | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | at least the delays seem to work now quite ok really | [11:39] |
| chetty: | cooll, thanks for letting me know, mayeb I can find it in the log | [12:08] |
| chetty: | diana_coman, do you keep any sort of log of the messages you get? tracking doen this 'nothing happens' is really hard, maybe you could send me an example of what you did/didnt get when it happened? | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | I just see them as I dump them in console really | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | so far what I notice is the following: | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | I start explore and it gets the bar + goes on normally | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | I sometimes get the mod message | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | and I usually get the skill message (hence the exp points) | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | but that's it | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | I guess if you need a log I should grab ALL the messages | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | to be able to tell really | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | atm I am catching/dumping only skill, mod, system, craftinfo, persistent object | [12:14] |
| chetty: | well even a copy/paste from console might help | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will get a log; should there be any other messages sent besides skill, mod, system? | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | possibly persistent object if you find something | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | but I have yet to see this occurring when I find something | [12:15] |
| chetty: | well I have really tried tracking stuff fro this angle, just hoping I can use it to focus in on where it is losing track in the process, the info about skill points is good .. gets it down to event queue .. | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | tbh atm I am basically ignoring the messages otherwise for the actions :( | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | I'm just getting from them any info I need | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | and otherwise kind of scheduling "work sessions: let's try and do the next step and then we take another break" | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | such a lazy bot... :))) | [12:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | romanian mining! | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it kind of defeats the purpose of making a bot in the first place though, since it's kind of a simulation of a macro :( | [12:26] |
| chetty: | well I modded the area where you were crashing things a little this morning | [12:26] |
| diana_coman: | I can try to get some breaks out then and see what happens; a bit earlier I kept now ending up with bundles only not because of taking them too fast, but rather because the "use" never got to combine too (looked again like some target lost, but there was no message on that either, so not sure) | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | I'm pondering a bit whether to go heavy on it and just check whether there is a bundle or an item in the claim | [12:28] |
| diana_coman: | probably the most robust approach though yet more to add to the whole thing | [12:28] |
| diana_coman: | oh lol, just got an ordinary | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | lazy bot better than hard-working human when mining is concerned it seems | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | but it needs 2 two leaf clovers, of course, lol | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | anyone selling 2 two leaf clovers by any chance? danielpbarron? mircea_popescu? | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc we're out of that. | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | great, lol | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun have any. got some from danielpbarron on some point, but for free on condition to brew gins, which i did | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | (well then mostly used them to make bng, but anyway) | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | sigh | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | then bot needs to find 2 leaf clovers too | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | go bot, go; lol | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | "/findallthethings >9000" | [12:31] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, no i don't have many, but are you selling toves? | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | neah, just "stupidly go ahead until either you find it or fall off a cliff | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | who cares | [12:32] |
| danielpbarron: | i care | [12:32] |
| danielpbarron: | i want to buy 100 | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, I'll sell them for the right price for sure | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | I meant who cares about the bot, lol | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | falling off a cliff or something | [12:32] |
| danielpbarron: | is the right price 12k per? | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, when dealing in the hundreds of st, there aren't that many (hundreds) left and there weren't that many to start with, lol, so I think the next 100 go for 15k a piece; Unless we find more the next hundred will surely go for significantly more than that (or unless someone else wants to sell their hundreds, lol) | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | btw, anything out of the altar yet? | [12:37] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [12:37] |
| diana_coman: | or maybe had enough of first mover's advantage on tubers to add it to the map ? | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | that advantage never happened because electron went and stocked it right as i found it | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | neah, he had had it for a while even if you didn't see it | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow you found tubers ?! | [12:40] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | well the fuck done eh. | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol this poor guy, he finds md but foxy spies it, he finds nt but the merchant stockls it... | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, poor mod he donates the map and just asks for input to add to it and he gets nil, lol | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | also true | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | and I found...md again (somewhere else), lol | [12:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i offered to pay him for exclusive access to it | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | how very very kind of you danielpbarron | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol empirebuilding | [12:43] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, i'd buy 10 toves at 15k | [12:45] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [12:45] |
| diana_coman: | are you in town? | [12:45] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [12:45] |
| diana_coman: | will be there in a minute | [12:45] |
| chetty: | Electron just received a new shipment of goods! | [16:14] |
| chetty: | Server will be going down in five minutes so he can sort it all out. | [16:14] |
| chetty: | Unfortunately it would seem a large quantity of nondescript tubers has spoiled and is getting thrown out. | [16:14] |
| chetty: | and it is back. | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | lol @tubers thing | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | hi dbit | [21:39] |
| thestringpuller: | time to test it out woot | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's some sad math danielpbarron : | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did 18 clicks on an overloaded imp ch bundle (q 292, +3k decay from tools, +10k value of bp). | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got 17 ch bps, 2 btoolkit bps, 2 pickaxe bps. | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | the imps i got at 27.xk, which is roughly equivalent to q192 in the bundle. so 100\% of the bundle (~15k or so) + 10 + 3 = 28k per click, or 504k total. | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | if we propose that i broke even on this craft (neglecting any \% i paid along the way, such as the 35\% i actually paid on the 54 hoes involved, worth a further 180k or so, or the \% value of the decayed toolkit etc) | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | it then follows that 20 imp bps + 2 toolkit bps are somehow worth 500k. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | supposing the imp bps are worth 20k each and the toolkit bp 50k each, this actually washes! | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | leaving 10k (from the bp) + 1k (from the \% surcharge on decay) + 10k (from the \% surcharge on tools/materials) unaccounted for in each click, of course. which i suppose could be said is "the value of experience" | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | in which case the story looks like this : each click cost me 2.92 * 15 + 10 + 3 = 56.8k merchant value or ~76k actual value. | [22:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | in exchange i received 1 at 27.5k merchant value (38.5 real value at +40\%) + "a share of blueprints", merchanbt value ~12k, market value 28k (if we count imp bps at 200\% and toolkits at ~800\%) + "value of experience". | [22:12] |
| danielpbarron: | is this taking into account some sort of apprentice mcguyvering scheme that churns out a multitude of blueprints? | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | 76 - 39.5 - 28 = 8.5, meaning that going by this craft, the "market cost" of 56.8k worth of experience is really 8.5k | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | or in other words each point of experience is worth 14.9647887\% | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | does any of this convoluted math make sense to you ? | [22:15] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [22:15] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't even know what a "point of experience" is | [22:15] |
| danielpbarron: | i just see a bar that eventually changes color | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you spend 1 copper worth of stuff to craft, you get some xo | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | im calling that "a point" for convenience | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | now i'm trying out a 9355 flotsam (merchant value 396) + 5613 sr (which i mined it, but sold one to electron and he wants 302 for it) | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bundles come out q315, i make slag 199. i threw in 104 recipes q 101 too. there's no tool decay or anything | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | im gonna make 1871 slag q 199 for a cost of 5399706, or 2886 per. | [22:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | merchant val of each actually is 1347. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | the overcraft in that 5.4mn is the 116 points in the bundle, or 1469333 total. | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | means i should charge 2100 per slag, or +56\% to break even on the actual craft, and hope the blueprints i get somehow cover the 1.47mn overcrafted. | [22:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | course on the positive side it should keep it occupied for a while. | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | like 10 hours lol! | [22:59] |
| danielpbarron: | server down | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | gah | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | bavk | [23:30] |
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