Day changed to 2026-10-01
[13:57] Diana Coman: well, fwiw the dg run ate up several tables and did not ping with any significant pop. There is at least some dg to show for it, so it's not terrible but nowhere near as much as hoped for. And hardly any much needed new bps either, unfortunately.
[15:41] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/10/01/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Oct-2026/#341 - quite the valuable bonfire Rainer Tracksnarl made. Ftr, it *is* tracked though, even if kept separate for now.
[15:41] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-10-01 (Notices and Announcements) Ulrich Logfetch: ** Euloran economic activity during one month to day 00 of month 06, year 9 (era 1): PCs' held value in items increased by 8`471`670 and their cash decreased by 20`478; NPCs' held value in items decreased by 30`671`570 and their cash increased by 20`478; environment value decreased by 8`871`013. All amounts are shown in Euloran Shell (10`000 Shells to 1 Copper). **
[19:25] Raphael Nethersmell: the streak of million+ shell months for PCs continues.
Day changed to 2026-10-02
[15:21] Diana Coman: oh hey, the extended ibs run did yield at least a few ltf recipes at some 30-ish quality
Day changed to 2026-10-03
[21:20] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: about the usual results from the cft run, nothing exceptional. when & where would you like to pick it up?
Day changed to 2026-10-04
[01:02] Felicia Solecrimp: hey
[01:02] Felicia Solecrimp: how are you ?
[02:42] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp: I'm well, just not very active in here the last days outside of the crafting practice for Raphael Nethersmell. That should still be a good exercise for you once you're feeling better.
Day changed to 2026-10-06
[18:06] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, thanks for the trade.
[18:07] Vivian Sporepress: con gusto
[18:08] Vivian Sporepress: looks like about the same value as before just the quality range bumped up a little.
[18:19] Raphael Nethersmell: how did your level change across the runs ? i ask because i'd like to compare to my results at the same leve(s). while still a small sample, the idea is it may give us some more information on the value of the sortage skill.
[20:14] Diana Coman: ha, I got 2 ltf, 24 ltfd and 27 ios (the bps)
[20:14] Diana Coman: though it took 600 ibs on top of 150cft and some 50 dg
[22:09] Raphael Nethersmell: gotta start somewhere. Diana Coman, what are those ltf worth ?
Day changed to 2026-10-07
[08:57] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, about 7.5k each, at 186q. The inputs were various qualities, more or less what I had on hand.
[19:36] Monroe Quarterslit: Diana Coman has achieved first rank among Best at Sortage (PCs). Congratulations!
Day changed to 2026-10-08
[22:15] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: the first 140 bundled cft clicks got me from level 7 to 12, the next 140 from 12 to 16.
Day changed to 2026-10-09
[22:06] Waldo Lipshine: Sadie Earthsee died with hitpoints to spare, possessed of own blood to some extent, with mana unused, still spirited, with some strength left to call upon, not yet entirely lethargic, if not present-minded, at least minded of sorts, of too effective ineffectualness, if not outraged, nor inraged then enraged at least, with some degree of comprehension gained, possibly more animated than decorous, only partially here, only partially there, too.
Day changed to 2026-10-11
[10:45] Monroe Quarterslit: Diana Coman has achieved first rank among Best at Tinkering (PCs). Congratulations!
[19:59] Raphael Nethersmell: dang, i just leveld up today on tinkering too. lolz.
Day changed to 2026-10-12
[03:47] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Raphael Nethersmell has got 115.59m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while ziggurating. Congratulations!
[03:52] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Raphael Nethersmell has got 1.85m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while ziggurating. Congratulations!
[06:02] Raphael Nethersmell: 'twas 75 cft q32 + 75 cft q54 + scdge q3 -> {59571 cdg q3234, 14359 cdg q215}
[06:03] Raphael Nethersmell: with 14 xp of lvl 28 sortage across both clicks.
[08:39] Diana Coman: o.O double pop, congratulations Raphael Nethersmell!
[08:40] Diana Coman: my ltf clicks are quite hefty but on occasion the xp gain on sortage is annoyingly just-short of full level, 98% sort of stuff
[08:40] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, did you get q3234?!
[13:24] Raphael Nethersmell: yes, 59k @ q3234.
[14:04] Diana Coman: definitely a lucky click that one if there ever was one, getting 115mn out of some 15k input *and* huge q on top, too
[14:39] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, are you sure of those input numbers, 75 cft q32? Something doesn't seem to quite add up fully there
[14:41] Diana Coman: what does your char read on a small cdg enum currently? Mine asks for at least 119 cft...
[14:46] Raphael Nethersmell: i used 75 cft q32 ~and~ 75 cft q54, 150 cft total for each of those results. curently it's asking betwen 96 - 30 cft for smalls. when I clicked those yesterday the minimum was over 100.
[14:47] Diana Coman: ah, that makes more sense then, indeed. Basically it really paid off to overcraft a small that heavily
[14:48] Diana Coman: I had read the earlier as 75cft q32 on the first and 75 cft q54 on the 2nd, hence the puzzle. Thanks for the numbers + clarification.
[14:52] Raphael Nethersmell: makes sene, I clicked a 3rd with those input and only got 10 cdg q904, for balance.
[14:53] Raphael Nethersmell: now I can comfortably afford the underworld trip and the return ticket.
[17:54] Vivian Sporepress: the odd obolus and broken lyre are only 30 copper together; seemed like a lot at the time
[17:57] Vivian Sporepress: even with the 150 cft each, that's still just 11.6k inputs, for 159x return on the lesser and 9956x on the greater - so not quite sure how it even makes any more sense?
[19:23] Vivian Sporepress: admittedly I just got 879x return on a lucky tiny; the missing info in the value in to value out balance for ziggurating would be the value of the claim, which I gather has some definite existence from those announcements of pops on mere gathering. but we didn't see any such announcement on Raphael Nethersmell's last
[19:30] Vivian Sporepress: weird client behavior: I moved a large stack to the ground. It failed to register, as I can tell by lack of item appearing, and continued overweight message. but its slot in my inventory still shows empty, even after reqobj on self, reqtree on self, and reqtree on full world. if I examine some object, the embedded inventory display *does* show the wayward stack, but the main inv view still doesn't.
[19:30] Vivian Sporepress: item id is 3871930165
[20:11] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, seems like pops over 1m shell get announced.
[20:11] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: right, so if the explore that found the small that yielded 100m wasn't announced, then where'd the value come from?
[20:27] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, when I ziggurated it. we don't know what i would've yielded with 100 cft q1.
[23:36] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, since you know the id of the object, it's more likely you'd want to request it specifically. Since the inv display shows it in some view, it's likely still some sync issue/crowded trouble/too rich for prompt comms.
[23:38] Diana Coman: I suppose an actual option to enable the client to handle this sort of trouble better without going back to unwanted arbitrary limits would be to expand instead the protocol to allow more specific requests of children of a node.
[23:40] Diana Coman: so that the client can then both control the size of the firehose when it requests some children and perhaps even focus more promptly on what is of more direct insterest at each specific time
Day changed to 2026-10-13
[22:23] Wolfgang Middlesit: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 72 shells more than what you're offering.
Day changed to 2026-10-14
[11:51] Diana Coman: Judith Tourpray, Mervin Oldflex, welcome to Eulora 2, I've added a WoT rating for your chars so you can chat in here, if you want to.
Day changed to 2026-10-16
[18:26] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Diana Coman has got 2.40m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while gathering. Congratulations!
Day changed to 2026-10-20
[19:44] Waldo Lipshine: Irene Dancecove died with hitpoints to spare, possessed of own blood to some extent, with mana unused, still spirited, with some strength left to call upon, not yet entirely lethargic, if not present-minded, at least minded of sorts, of too effective ineffectualness, if not outraged, nor inraged then enraged at least, with some degree of comprehension gained, possibly more animated than decorous, only partially here, only partially there, too.
[13:57] Diana Coman: well, fwiw the dg run ate up several tables and did not ping with any significant pop. There is at least some dg to show for it, so it's not terrible but nowhere near as much as hoped for. And hardly any much needed new bps either, unfortunately.
[15:41] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/10/01/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Oct-2026/#341 - quite the valuable bonfire Rainer Tracksnarl made. Ftr, it *is* tracked though, even if kept separate for now.
[15:41] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-10-01 (Notices and Announcements) Ulrich Logfetch: ** Euloran economic activity during one month to day 00 of month 06, year 9 (era 1): PCs' held value in items increased by 8`471`670 and their cash decreased by 20`478; NPCs' held value in items decreased by 30`671`570 and their cash increased by 20`478; environment value decreased by 8`871`013. All amounts are shown in Euloran Shell (10`000 Shells to 1 Copper). **
[19:25] Raphael Nethersmell: the streak of million+ shell months for PCs continues.
Day changed to 2026-10-02
[15:21] Diana Coman: oh hey, the extended ibs run did yield at least a few ltf recipes at some 30-ish quality
Day changed to 2026-10-03
[21:20] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: about the usual results from the cft run, nothing exceptional. when & where would you like to pick it up?
Day changed to 2026-10-04
[01:02] Felicia Solecrimp: hey
[01:02] Felicia Solecrimp: how are you ?
[02:42] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp: I'm well, just not very active in here the last days outside of the crafting practice for Raphael Nethersmell. That should still be a good exercise for you once you're feeling better.
Day changed to 2026-10-06
[18:06] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, thanks for the trade.
[18:07] Vivian Sporepress: con gusto
[18:08] Vivian Sporepress: looks like about the same value as before just the quality range bumped up a little.
[18:19] Raphael Nethersmell: how did your level change across the runs ? i ask because i'd like to compare to my results at the same leve(s). while still a small sample, the idea is it may give us some more information on the value of the sortage skill.
[20:14] Diana Coman: ha, I got 2 ltf, 24 ltfd and 27 ios (the bps)
[20:14] Diana Coman: though it took 600 ibs on top of 150cft and some 50 dg
[22:09] Raphael Nethersmell: gotta start somewhere. Diana Coman, what are those ltf worth ?
Day changed to 2026-10-07
[08:57] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, about 7.5k each, at 186q. The inputs were various qualities, more or less what I had on hand.
[19:36] Monroe Quarterslit: Diana Coman has achieved first rank among Best at Sortage (PCs). Congratulations!
Day changed to 2026-10-08
[22:15] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: the first 140 bundled cft clicks got me from level 7 to 12, the next 140 from 12 to 16.
Day changed to 2026-10-09
[22:06] Waldo Lipshine: Sadie Earthsee died with hitpoints to spare, possessed of own blood to some extent, with mana unused, still spirited, with some strength left to call upon, not yet entirely lethargic, if not present-minded, at least minded of sorts, of too effective ineffectualness, if not outraged, nor inraged then enraged at least, with some degree of comprehension gained, possibly more animated than decorous, only partially here, only partially there, too.
Day changed to 2026-10-11
[10:45] Monroe Quarterslit: Diana Coman has achieved first rank among Best at Tinkering (PCs). Congratulations!
[19:59] Raphael Nethersmell: dang, i just leveld up today on tinkering too. lolz.
Day changed to 2026-10-12
[03:47] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Raphael Nethersmell has got 115.59m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while ziggurating. Congratulations!
[03:52] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Raphael Nethersmell has got 1.85m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while ziggurating. Congratulations!
[06:02] Raphael Nethersmell: 'twas 75 cft q32 + 75 cft q54 + scdge q3 -> {59571 cdg q3234, 14359 cdg q215}
[06:03] Raphael Nethersmell: with 14 xp of lvl 28 sortage across both clicks.
[08:39] Diana Coman: o.O double pop, congratulations Raphael Nethersmell!
[08:40] Diana Coman: my ltf clicks are quite hefty but on occasion the xp gain on sortage is annoyingly just-short of full level, 98% sort of stuff
[08:40] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, did you get q3234?!
[13:24] Raphael Nethersmell: yes, 59k @ q3234.
[14:04] Diana Coman: definitely a lucky click that one if there ever was one, getting 115mn out of some 15k input *and* huge q on top, too
[14:39] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, are you sure of those input numbers, 75 cft q32? Something doesn't seem to quite add up fully there
[14:41] Diana Coman: what does your char read on a small cdg enum currently? Mine asks for at least 119 cft...
[14:46] Raphael Nethersmell: i used 75 cft q32 ~and~ 75 cft q54, 150 cft total for each of those results. curently it's asking betwen 96 - 30 cft for smalls. when I clicked those yesterday the minimum was over 100.
[14:47] Diana Coman: ah, that makes more sense then, indeed. Basically it really paid off to overcraft a small that heavily
[14:48] Diana Coman: I had read the earlier as 75cft q32 on the first and 75 cft q54 on the 2nd, hence the puzzle. Thanks for the numbers + clarification.
[14:52] Raphael Nethersmell: makes sene, I clicked a 3rd with those input and only got 10 cdg q904, for balance.
[14:53] Raphael Nethersmell: now I can comfortably afford the underworld trip and the return ticket.
[17:54] Vivian Sporepress: the odd obolus and broken lyre are only 30 copper together; seemed like a lot at the time
[17:57] Vivian Sporepress: even with the 150 cft each, that's still just 11.6k inputs, for 159x return on the lesser and 9956x on the greater - so not quite sure how it even makes any more sense?
[19:23] Vivian Sporepress: admittedly I just got 879x return on a lucky tiny; the missing info in the value in to value out balance for ziggurating would be the value of the claim, which I gather has some definite existence from those announcements of pops on mere gathering. but we didn't see any such announcement on Raphael Nethersmell's last
[19:30] Vivian Sporepress: weird client behavior: I moved a large stack to the ground. It failed to register, as I can tell by lack of item appearing, and continued overweight message. but its slot in my inventory still shows empty, even after reqobj on self, reqtree on self, and reqtree on full world. if I examine some object, the embedded inventory display *does* show the wayward stack, but the main inv view still doesn't.
[19:30] Vivian Sporepress: item id is 3871930165
[20:11] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, seems like pops over 1m shell get announced.
[20:11] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: right, so if the explore that found the small that yielded 100m wasn't announced, then where'd the value come from?
[20:27] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, when I ziggurated it. we don't know what i would've yielded with 100 cft q1.
[23:36] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, since you know the id of the object, it's more likely you'd want to request it specifically. Since the inv display shows it in some view, it's likely still some sync issue/crowded trouble/too rich for prompt comms.
[23:38] Diana Coman: I suppose an actual option to enable the client to handle this sort of trouble better without going back to unwanted arbitrary limits would be to expand instead the protocol to allow more specific requests of children of a node.
[23:40] Diana Coman: so that the client can then both control the size of the firehose when it requests some children and perhaps even focus more promptly on what is of more direct insterest at each specific time
Day changed to 2026-10-13
[22:23] Wolfgang Middlesit: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 72 shells more than what you're offering.
Day changed to 2026-10-14
[11:51] Diana Coman: Judith Tourpray, Mervin Oldflex, welcome to Eulora 2, I've added a WoT rating for your chars so you can chat in here, if you want to.
Day changed to 2026-10-16
[18:26] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Diana Coman has got 2.40m shells worth of Clump of Dry Grass and assorted loot while gathering. Congratulations!
Day changed to 2026-10-20
[19:44] Waldo Lipshine: Irene Dancecove died with hitpoints to spare, possessed of own blood to some extent, with mana unused, still spirited, with some strength left to call upon, not yet entirely lethargic, if not present-minded, at least minded of sorts, of too effective ineffectualness, if not outraged, nor inraged then enraged at least, with some degree of comprehension gained, possibly more animated than decorous, only partially here, only partially there, too.