| trinque: | lemme see, cruciform stick around a minute so we can sort this. | [01:08] |
| trinque: | ah crap, just noticed the timestamps. | [01:09] |
| feedbot: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/ << Ossa Sepia — #ossasepia Logs for 27 Apr 2020 | [01:11] |
| feedbot: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/eulora-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/ << Ossa Sepia — #eulora Logs for 27 Apr 2020 | [01:13] |
| billymg: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020#1025293 << noted, that makes sense | [02:16] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-26 16:27:55 diana_coman: anyways, to my mind the benefit would be in reaching out to new people rather than trying to convince anyone who has already made their mind to not use it. | [02:16] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4232020/ << Bimbo Club — Work Report – 4/23/2020 | [03:05] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4242020/ << Bimbo Club — Work Report – 4/24/2020 | [03:05] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4252020/ << Bimbo Club — Work Report – 4/25/2020 | [03:05] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2020/probably-the-best-personal-blog-of-the-moment/ << Trilema — Probably the best personal blog of the moment | [03:17] |
| feedbot: | http://younghands.club/2020/04/27/jfw-plan-week-of-27-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club — JFW plan, week of 27 Apr 2020 | [06:36] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4262020/ << Bimbo Club — Work Report – 4/26/2020 | [07:37] |
| diana_coman: | huh, nicoleci @ bimboclub can publish apparently even daily records, what weekly | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | or uhm, was she only mocking poor feedbot so it reported one as three, lmao. | [09:23] |
| spyked: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/25/ossasepia-logs-for-25-apr-2020#1025242 <– I'm grabbing them off http://logs.ossasepia.com/static/log_db.gz once in a while; are you planning to decommission ossabot? | [10:44] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-25 16:42:34 diana_coman: for that matter – hanbot , spyked , trinque , BingoBoingo – do you want dumps of the logs for your chans? | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: yes, that's the full db dump (postgres), I had even forgotten about it; I guess you're right and whoever wants them can just grab that one with all and be up to date on their chan anyway. | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: ^ the log_db.gz has it all, as spyked says. | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: re ossabot – tbh I don't see the point for keeping it up at this juncture; I'll get around to make a script to update all the links from current loggers and with that, I can finally get rid of the flask with all it zugwerk and assorted shit; even if I consider redundancy, I'd much rather run another copy of sonofawitch on the logs server though atm it sounds like major overkill to me | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | for a while I'll just let them be both in parallel merely to not keep that server idle until I decide what to do with it otherwise but dunno – do you see any specific case to keep ossabot up? | [11:14] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: ping me when you are around. | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | any ossabot users – let me know if there's some other functionality/whatever you find useful and is currently missing from sonofawitch & blog-based setup. | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: what happened to you in the end? | [11:30] |
| diana_coman: | jurov: as I understand it, you are currently the de facto owner of "bitcoin foundation", is that correct? | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: how's the montevideo standard doing? are you still working on/with those scripts otherwise or is that of no use/interest for this new thing? | [11:33] |
| spyked: | diana_coman, tbh I haven't yet used the mpwp-based log frontend enough to stumble upon any missing functionality. I'll give it a try for a week or so, I'll let you know if I find something missing | [11:37] |
| spyked: | (and well, probably more than a week, given that this is going to be the main logger for #o) | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: sounds good, thanks. | [11:41] |
| diana_coman: | as illustrated earlier, sonofawitch cites the lines too if you use the links from the blog | [11:42] |
| trinque: | diana_coman: voice model's params should be working as expected now. I'm around all day, so lmk if not. | [15:57] |
| trinque: | in other news, I tried raising ave1 on the comms a few times to avoid repeating work, to no avail. | [15:58] |
| trinque: | I've rewritten that gcc bootstrapper such that one can actually tell where the flags for the build are coming from. the thing was a heinous piece of shit (long before ave1 found it and patched) | [15:59] |
| trinque: | I've got the whole thing weighing in at less than 100loc, produces static gcc, gnat, binutils | [16:01] |
| trinque: | this is part of a larger bootstrapping project which builds a busybox+musl env which can rebuild the entire toolchain. | [16:02] |
| trinque: | rather, which can build an environment within which the toolchain can be reliably rebuilt | [16:04] |
| trinque: | I ought to have an item to share soon | [16:04] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2020/so-those-idiots-in-france/ << Trilema — So those idiots in France… | [16:30] |
| dorion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 – I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h. | [20:56] |
| sonofawitch: | 2020-04-26 21:51:53 (#ossasepia) jfw: dorion: how's it going with the sales article revisions? | [20:56] |
| dorion: | hi diana_coman, I'm present. | [20:59] |
| diana_coman: | trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway? | [21:06] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: what's your plan re using those resources ? | [21:11] |
| sonofawitch: | 2020-04-16 17:35:08 (#ossasepia) dorion: more charged when I consider what it cost me, but I'm ready to move forward and use the resources I sitll have. | [21:11] |
| dorion: | diana_coman, the first priority is to pick back up with the planning and reporting. | [21:14] |
| diana_coman: | well, if it's too much structure to maintain directly, work out something else that you can maintain and still provides some reliable way of interaction & communication otherwise | [21:18] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/#1025347 – alright | [21:18] |
| sonofawitch: | 2020-04-27 20:56:24 (#ossasepia) dorion: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 – I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h. | [21:18] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: do you plan anything with your own blog? | [21:20] |
| dorion: | diana_coman it was these last few weeks, or at least I let it be too much. | [21:20] |
| dorion: | diana_coman yes, I plan to pick back up the writing. | [21:21] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: re the new logs, some features coming to mind are date forward/backward links, a stable URL for the live log for a given channel, and raw log access | [21:21] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: hm, for the first 2 I thought the category works well enough; not a big issue to add them otherwise if they really save that much trouble, huh | [21:23] |
| diana_coman: | raw log yes, can set up a db dump of the logs and link it, it's even somewhere on the list indeed | [21:24] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: ok then, guess I'll see that happening anyway. | [21:24] |
| jfw: | ah, category might be fine, I'll give that usage a try. Would just lose the browser back/forward chain through dates. | [21:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: With the lack of news I have had to cover I have been making a deep dive into the world of livestreaming these past few weeks trying to connect to the kids today. | [21:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | I do the news, but the absurdity of how little is happening in the world… it turns my news reporting into a deadpan act | [21:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | I'm still playing with the scripts, but I've had so little news to spread that I've been trying to make the most of it by putting myself on cam | [21:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | And trying to socially engineer an audience | [21:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | And learning the whole AV thing the hard way. Turns out concrete walls suck for microphone echo, so mitigating that is an ongoing battle | [21:38] |
| jfw: | ah, so http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/25/ossasepia-logs-for-25-apr-2020/#1025220 is from experience! | [21:39] |
| sonofawitch: | 2020-04-25 06:42:19 (#ossasepia) BingoBoingo: Still, no video solution today is not shitty in profound ways. Zoom mostly just "works" for sad yet common values of works | [21:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | jfw: It is | [21:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | I have a blog post that's been baking, but as I learn more it keeps needing profound revisions | [21:41] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: it's a direction to explore I suppose; at least you learn about recordings and videos, after all. | [21:42] |
| BingoBoingo: | I've so far managed to socially engineer a very loyal if very small audience | [21:43] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: do they come to talk to you on irc otherwise? or adverse to it ? | [21:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: They seem averse to it. They are all prisoners of the walled garden world. | [21:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | I tell them I'm down here in Uruguay live from the free world, they tell me how bad it is in the zone | [21:45] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: how do you see this audience-to-be-built useful to you? | [21:45] |
| diana_coman: | uhm; that sounds so much like …idle chat at the gates, dunno | [21:45] |
| diana_coman: | maybe I'm just too harsh or something but I'd rather go and count the trees in the woods, for sure. | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: I see it as part of the ongoing war against Pantsuit. It does seem to devolve frequently into idle chat. I just keep hammering that down here in Best America, I am free. They in North America are not. | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | I've done some streams from the great outdoors too. | [21:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | I don't expect much out of this except the fun I get from the trolling | [21:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | And the lessons in how to video. And the opportunity to expose myself and wade through the shit. | [21:48] |
| diana_coman: | well, I wish you all the best there; I have ample experience listening to people *complaining* about the same issues over and over and over (and over!) again for 20 years and even agreeing with all sorts of solutions and options and whatnots – still doing exactly 0. | [21:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | Thank you. It's just such a weird different thing that I'm still trying to probe where it could go if it isn't a deadend by design. | [21:51] |
| diana_coman: | nothing wrong with that, for sure. | [21:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways, the platform I've been using has a random "versus challenge" that pairs streamers up and puts them side by side. The bulk of what that turns up is naked dudes in bed waiting for a girl, but every now and then a redditor cries because they are triggered by my being outside. | [22:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh huh, on platform too | [22:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | I don't know of any sane streaming thing, so it's the sad situation where I'm wading through a walled garden full of shit | [22:12] |
| diana_coman: | hm, apparently my connection is acting up today | [22:30] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, ah, so it's still today (not yet tonight), which means my publishing of http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020#1025303 still qualifies as on time! | [22:40] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-26 16:45:47 cruciform: diana_coman, I went from not-doing-a-lot-inside to not-doing-a-lot outside for the last few days; I'll have a post up by tomorrow eve http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020#1025296 | [22:40] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: well, I'm still in the UK, yes! (logger's own server is not in the UK though, so it keeps its own time and todays/tomorrows, lolz) | [22:41] |
| cruciform: | trinque, I'm around for the next few hours http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025310 | [22:42] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-26 20:30:54 trinque: lemme see, cruciform stick around a minute so we can sort this. | [22:42] |
| diana_coman: | ha, congrats to former and current YH members for making apparently cruciform finally get off his arse! | [22:52] |
| cruciform: | lol, next step – stay off it! | [22:56] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: traditional implements for that come in all sorts of pointy and sharp shapes! | [22:57] |
| cruciform: | I knew my BDSM-y fears were legit! | [22:57] |
| diana_coman: | fears are always legit! what you do with them though is …flexible, lol | [22:58] |
| cruciform: | lol | [22:59] |
| cruciform: | aren't fears mostly spinning/psychogenic noise, most of the time? | [22:59] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: well, how would you tell "mostly this or not", anyway? the way I see it, they are …a signal; that's about it; usually it tends to be a signal of unknown rather than of anything else, true, but that's another thing anyway | [23:01] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, good point re: how would one tell – I suppose the big problem with fears/anxiety is that they're difficult to self-diagnose, let alone self-treat | [23:03] |
| cruciform: | whereas a friend can be the voice of reason; tell you you're being stupid and they suddenly vanish | [23:03] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: dunno about that, "treatment" can be as simple as …find a bigger fear, lol | [23:04] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, see: I'd've never thought of that – problem solved! | [23:04] |
| diana_coman: | ha! if you say it does, I'll believe it worked for you. (and yeah, I saw people who can calm down – if only there's someone calm in charge, sure) | [23:05] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: but you see, this is why I'm saying it's a signal – it's not random, no | [23:07] |
| diana_coman: | this doesn't mean it says what you expect/like/were used to think it can say, though. | [23:08] |
| trinque: | cruciform: hey, did voicing yourself work? | [23:09] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, wrt finding a bigger fear, I've found that mechanism helpful in getting work done by making a concrete commitment: If I say I'll do something by a certain time, I fear more ruining my reputation by not delivering, than I “fear†getting off arse and doing the work | [23:10] |
| cruciform: | trinque, I don't think so; do I need to lose voice before I can try self-upping? | [23:11] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: heh, that's motivation by means of own pride; if it works, good enough; at some point you might finally develop immunity to "what others think" and so …better find better ways to motivate yourself by then. | [23:11] |
| diana_coman: | !!down #ossasepia cruciform | [23:11] |
| diana_coman: | there, problem solved, cruciform ! try !!up now | [23:12] |
| diana_coman: | trinque: cruciform says deedbot is still claiming he can't up himself | [23:13] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform restored to talk-mode by direct poking at ChanServ | [23:16] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, if not pride, what's a better way to motivate self? | [23:16] |
| diana_coman: | heh – in a nutshell, own interest! seriously, the big difference there is external vs internal motivator | [23:17] |
| diana_coman: | the "what" is not all that important – the source is more important | [23:17] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, so, "I should do x because it'll be good for me", rather than "good for my self-image" (as in the case of pride)? | [23:19] |
| diana_coman: | apparently cruciform turned out in the end a very citable article this time: "Now, it's pretty absurd that a 31 year old man can't stick to a weekly schedule" . I'll add to this – it is! Indeed, it is!! | [23:20] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: eh, there's no should! | [23:20] |
| diana_coman: | "I will do x because I decided to do it!" | [23:20] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, you get to define that decide – because it's good for you or because it's bad for you, entirely up to you; but ffs, decide and stick to it. | [23:21] |
| diana_coman: | can even be "because I can't stand NOT doing it!!!" | [23:21] |
| diana_coman: | perfectly valid and usually even works better | [23:22] |
| trinque: | hm, this is pretty weird. cruciform it rejected your up request? | [23:22] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: try it again in here | [23:22] |
| trinque: | !!up #ossasepia trinque | [23:22] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=gk9o | [23:22] |
| cruciform: | !!up ossasepia cruciform | [23:23] |
| deedbot: | You may not !!up yourself. | [23:23] |
| trinque: | !!v C2BE640EA53332C36C98D895D80916EBE36972DB711BE93BDEA94930244F6B96 | [23:23] |
| deedbot: | You are now voiced in #ossasepia | [23:23] |
| cruciform: | !!up #ossasepia cruciform | [23:23] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VpK4 | [23:23] |
| trinque: | haha | [23:23] |
| cruciform: | the # | [23:23] |
| trinque: | hey, if we're at UX bugs, we're making progress | [23:23] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha | [23:23] |
| trinque: | lets make sure the confirm works | [23:23] |
| cruciform: | !!v E5EB00FBA8000C7D9E6CF7758777390D7EAFFA06BF4F038E91621BE7564033B6 | [23:24] |
| deedbot: | You are now voiced in #ossasepia | [23:24] |
| diana_coman: | yay! | [23:24] |
| cruciform: | trinque, thanks | [23:24] |
| trinque: | hey np, glad it works. | [23:24] |
| trinque: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020#1025350 << yeah, I ftr don't count ave1's work on the thing time wasted, but every time I went to build it I ran into some issue that was apparently only happening to me, w/e. when I went to try and fix the thing, I found it to be pointlessly complicated, not due to ave1, but the gregor guy that made it in the first place. | [23:31] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-27 16:28:56 diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway? | [23:31] |
| trinque: | so I finally said to hell with it all, and started chopping pieces out of it until I understood how each component was actually getting its inputs, and what each component took as directive to statically link. | [23:31] |
| trinque: | (and of course they all wanted different things: here's how you say it to gcc, here's how you say it to binutils, piles of bullshit more there) | [23:32] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, I can imagine | [23:33] |
| diana_coman: | in other logger testing, apparently cruciform's inverted quotation marks are not logger-approved, lol; I'll have to check that out. | [23:34] |
| cruciform: | diana_coman, so, motivation stems from a comitment to one' | [23:38] |
| cruciform: | s own will? http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020#1025427 | [23:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-27 18:43:07 diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!" | [23:38] |
| diana_coman: | cruciform: internal motivation stems from …internal own life in a word, yes; absent/insufficient that internal own life, the only alternative is indeed outside motivation; funnily enough, it's there that you are going bdsm if you look for the way to be strongly motivated from the outside, lol. | [23:42] |
| trinque: | also inside, potentially! | [23:44] |
| cruciform: | lol | [23:44] |
| jfw: | re funny quote marks, they look like utf-8 to me, and the ossasepia.com page proclaims utf-8 too, so… I'd guess some part of the pipeline is reading as bytes/latin1 then writing back as unicode | [23:47] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, most likely some unicode mess somewhere; I'll have the pleasure to dig to find out where. | [23:48] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, it might need to wait a while in the long queue of stuff to do. | [23:48] |
| jfw: | I'll be back tomorrow & with an article too. | [23:51] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: sounds good | [23:51] |
| diana_coman: | shall be back tomorrow. | [23:52] |