| feedbot: | http://bingology.net/2020/uruguay-ssr-and-the-hallucinated-seige/ << Bingology - The Blog of Aaron 'BingoBoingo' Rogier -- Uruguay-SSR And The Hallucinated Seige | [00:33] |
| jfw: | gah, it's been taking longer to reread and write up that conversation for my review than it took to have it the first time; and I wasn't set up well mentally as I had the idea that review was pretty much done except for some pasting and there was just the plan, as opposed to http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/22/ossasepia-logs-for-13-Apr-2020#1024329 . | [03:21] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-04-13 18:21:07 diana_coman: jfw: anyways, will you write up and publish then today the review and plan based on the discussion above? | [03:21] |
| feedbot: | http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-review-week-of-6-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 6 Apr 2020 | [04:04] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: reading the published review, it seems it was done (there isn't really anything new in there) but kind of done to you rather than by you, lolz. | [04:42] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: what can I say. sorry I've missed the plan, I seem to be fussing over it quite a bit, this improving estimates and realism and completeness but also doing in less time is a tough circle for me to square. I'll get some sleep and give a fresh look. | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: works. | [04:58] |
| billymg: | diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=xakV << draft list of questions for survey. there is also a survey for non-mp-wp users. my idea is to publish this list of questions as an article on my site and then ping a few channels to solicit some responses as comments on the article. this way all the responses will be collected publicly in one place and i can ask follow up questions inline | [13:00] |
| billymg: | let me know if you have any feedback on the questions themselves otherwise i can go ahead and publish as is | [13:02] |
| diana_coman: | billymg: I guess it works; not sure it will be much use tbh but that part is up to you anyway | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | the q re modifications and settings will be a pain to answer anywhere close really given the long history with it otherwise, huh | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | possibly worth a try anyway, why not | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what's the fuss over /re plan anyway? | [16:12] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: it seems after yesterday's convo I'm more confused about what a plan is supposed to be anyway. More descriptive about what I'm likely to end up doing? Prescriptive about what I presently think needs doing or want to focus on? | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what is normally a plan for you? | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | to me normally a plan is a commitment really: I intend to DO those things. | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | and that's a reason why I keep to it, too; sure, not idiotically without considering changes to the context but "given what I know now, this is what I intend to do" so if/when what I know changes, the plan can change too | [16:30] |
| jfw: | To me it's been more of "things I'd like to happen and figure there's some chance of", I suppose. | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, more of a wishlist burnt on the altar and forgotten too :D | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | not much need for that, no. | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | also, in that case, why limit to what seems to have a chance, at least go fully for it and list what you'd like to happen, what if it ...does? :)) | [16:32] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: but do you really fill your whole working schedule with commitments? you've also said to plan in some flexibility I recall | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | it's never really worth it to go half way only anyway, so if it's a commitment make it be one and if it's a wishlist let it be a proper wishlist | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: there is flexibility, sure - part of it comes from all the time buffers, part of it from the time permitting, part of it from the above "if context changes, so will the plan - explicitly though, even if it's in the middle of the week" | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | and then there is of course the level of detail - ie no need to go in super detail upfront when you can't even know that; but if your plan says "publish an article every other day" then it's a commitment you'll write one and publish it although yeah, flexibility as to what content, how long etc; if it says "sort out healthcare" then that is a commitment that you will work on that although sure, the result might be that it's fully ... | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | ... sorted or not yet, but you did apply yourself to that task. | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: and there's also nothing wrong with listing specifically some time for what I was calling yesterday opportunistic tasks, what. | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | the plan is literally to see what you intended to do and then compare with what you did, learn from it and decide on the next move; not some sort of "form" to fill, nor some sort of madness/bureaucracy/dunno-how-to-even-call-it | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | and ofc it helps in principle with coordination with others too; but only to the extent that it has anything to do with reality, sure. | [16:41] |
| jfw: | hm, does "intended" speak of wishes or commitments? or something else? | [16:42] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: where? | [16:43] |
| jfw: | "to see what you intended to do" | [16:43] |
| jfw: | coulda sworn I knew what intent was but somehow unsure now, lol | [16:43] |
| diana_coman: | to me it speaks of commitment, yes; I don't quite have other sort of intentions but I suppose it's better said "to see what you had committed to do " | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | for clarity | [16:44] |
| jfw: | alright | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | now I wonder what might everyone took the plans for, even; lol | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | take* | [16:57] |
| jfw: | you mean I'm not the only mouse or man whose plans gang aft aglay? couldn't be! | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: lol; there's a reason (with a long history too) why I'm almost allergic to... intentions, let's say. | [17:01] |
| jfw: | wishes dressed up as commitments? | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | myeah; and sold as such too, for as long as in the very least allowed to. | [17:03] |
| feedbot: | http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-plan-14-19-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW plan, 14-19 Apr 2020 | [19:06] |
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