| whaack: | diana_coman: EOD Report: G: I have a better sense of how I want to go about filling the hours that are currently dedicated to saltmines from our discussion. WTI: I will work on asking for help in the right way for important decisions. B: Yesterday I prepared a pre-outline for today's outlining session. Today I improved that preoutline a bit and then tried to get a head start on writing tomorrow's | [00:04] |
| whaack: | article. I think I should have stuck to improving the outline before beginning the article. WTI: Do not skimp on the planning phase of writing. | [00:04] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-18-Feb-2020#1018852 - so it would seem BingoBoingo would do indeed well to consider again the outreach of Qntra for readership too, huh. | [04:37] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-18 21:14:48 whaack: BingoBoingo: iirc http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ hooked me into reading trilema | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-18-Feb-2020#1018854 - congrats! | [04:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-18 21:38:56 jfw: oh hey, fixpoint gets its first spam. for ...amoxicillin online! | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-19-Feb-2020#1018855 - by the sounds of it you really need to do some proper outline and consider it as such; maybe ask for some feedback on it, one day? | [04:39] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-19 00:04:34 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: G: I have a better sense of how I want to go about filling the hours that are currently dedicated to saltmines from our discussion. WTI: I will work on asking for help in the right way for important decisions. B: Yesterday I prepared a pre-outline for today's outlining session. Today I improved that preoutline a bit and then tried to get a head start on writing tomorrow's | [04:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Reviewing the logs, there's one big high return activity that fell out of the routine between the fall 2017 downtime and February 2018 restoration. Picking fights with idiots to get the idiots to direct their audience towards Qntra. | [08:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: At this point it's looking clear that I have to stop letting other things keep pushing AWStats down the todo list indefinitely so I can get some readership information that isn't on a 5 year delay. | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: sounds like the log review is already starting to pay off; but do first finish the review and write-up, there's time afterwards to look at it all and use it properly, ok? | [09:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Ok, thank you. It isn't like access.log is going to run away. | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | exactly; and it waited so long, it can still wait a few days more | [09:21] |
| jfw: | This musl mission has definitely brought out some internal resistance/nervousness (neuroticism?) on my part. I felt it on sending the message, and even checking for responses. Perhaps a bit of conflict-avoidant nice-guy-ism - which I understand isn't actually nice to anyone least of all myself | [15:24] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: was it re "seasoned engineers" aka you looking up to them? or just that "ugh, gotta tell them what they won't like to hear"? or both? | [15:27] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: both | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw, you did fine otherwise, it's not like there was any clear trouble on your part as such; sure, practice & experience will help further but I wouldn't say there's much to worry there at all. | [15:29] |
| jfw: | ty. | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: so given their response and overall approach - what's your take on them? | [15:30] |
| jfw: | well, the latest from the main guy - which I'll shortly link in #t - confirms that they're pretty set on this path and it was their goal from the start | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | ah, there's more to the drama! | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: is it draining/tiresome on you otherwise? | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | (remembering from quite a few years back, there can be some added ...dread/would-rather-not associated with ~omg, those were the intelligent ones, it just can't be that they are nevertheless THAT stupid because then it *really* sucks) | [15:35] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: it has been somewhat tiring or perhaps distracting, I don't mean to complain though | [15:36] |
| jfw: | well, it doesn't surprise me at least that bright people can have strange notions deeply held | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | it's not about strange notions or about deeply held; it's about the consequence that ends up - then there's no help from those quarters and when that keeps adding up/repeating, it can be rather tiresome. | [15:40] |
| jfw: | suspected deserts becoming known deserts on exploration | [15:48] |
| jfw: | I think I do owe them a reply because at least the first guy asked a question but I expect that'll be it. | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what's the question? but at any rate, sure, reply and/or comment in there to your satisfaction that you said everything you wanted to have said. | [15:53] |
| jfw: | "Why do you not believe that musl could provide any of these features using clear and concise code?" | [15:55] |
| jfw: | which isn't what I said of course; and beside the point as I see it: doesn't matter how well you do something if you're doing the wrong thing | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: and at any rate, it's precisely that change from "suspected deserts" to "known deserts" that matters and that is important; as it was said plainly, nobody really expected this to deliver in the sense of musl not going the unicode-way; nevertheless, it's only once attempted and experienced that it serves and can be pointed to as a fact. | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: myeah, as it usually happens, they read what they had in mind, not what you wrote and that's where it breaks down; fwiw the guy in #t yesterday clearly hadn't done more than scan&get-annoyed-at-bad-attitude your message really. | [15:57] |
| jfw: | right | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: but sure, do answer them, even as you did above if you want to; just do note that you can choose how you phrase your answer to basically inflame them further or not, it's quite up to you. | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: how's the pms/logs/dig going time/effort-wise? | [16:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: I did a second look after the first, but most of the reveals seem to be on the surface all in the first two months. | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: do you mean that there wasn't much new attempted/discussed after that? | [16:42] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, whatever is in there is what it is, not a problem; my question was re how much time&effort the review is eating up. | [16:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Reviewing the logs got 3 hours yesterday evening, another seperate 2 hour re-reads in the morning today. Write up has been started. | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile I reviewed your blog's archive and there's quite a lot in there too; fwiw, I think it's not at all that clear case of one-trick pony as such. | [16:45] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-18 18:02:02 BingoBoingo: I would like to start confronting my flaws in an organized way, becoming productive and escaping my worn schtick as a one-trick pony | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: ah, that sounds not bad at all, glad to hear it. | [16:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Well, the logs got really short ad bursty after October 2015. Only a year of them, total. | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: if anything, what strikes me after re-reading your blog is that you tend to go for a wide, far & high level view/vision of ~everything (which can and does btw deliver your best/signature style, that well-informed and right on target); but it's the closer to home that seems to be...less easily seen or noticed,somehow. | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, looking forward to reading your write-up there and we'll see afterwards. | [16:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Thank you. The temptation to keep throwing things at the command line to see what comes out persists, but I'll try to get the review published this evening. | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | heh, so publish and *then* throw things at the command line if you must; and you're welcome. | [16:57] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Supplying links to support the observations has taken more time than I thought it would. I'm going to have to freshen the eyes and re-read. I seem to have escaped the problem scope in the writeup and going to have to pin down where I left the rails. | [21:13] |
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