| diana_coman: | shrysr: you do know that mp-wp has a html editor, right? (fwiw I never use the other one precisely because of wasting time formatting and clicking buttons) | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | re mac : well, ~anything is a better option than windows, but what's that going to do; and note that it's not the price the problem either but the fact that you are *meant to not own* your stuff on either system | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw I did have a mac laptop + a desktop some 10 years ago - they were slick and good to look at (to the point that I found some of it distracting when needing to work) and otherwise 3 times hotter and noisier than any other hardware of similar or even greater power | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, almost all my computers around here are at least 10 years old (though none of them are macs) | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | so: I'm not necessarily anti-mac, just saying that 1. it'll be a pain 2. you don't own it, it owns you | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | re xml-rpc, I'll have a look but it's very likely that it "won't work" because your setup forces you into "latest only" ; a good time to note that *everything* has a cost and convenience often costs way more than you imagine | [02:43] |
| diana_coman: | note that just as it's convenient for you to upload your post using xmlrpc.php, so it's convenient for an attacker to use that same opening for DDOS and/or brute-force attack | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, back to the original question: your post on your website says you *published on younghands.club* - hence my question, did you actually publish? or just intended but in the end not (then update the text!!) or what happened. | [02:47] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I updated the text right after seeing your message yesterday. http://s.ragavan.co/?p=51 | [09:16] |
| shrysr: | shrysr: Last week, I actually headed straight to younghands to publish.. then I realised I had to copy paste.. and then I thought what if I want to update the post - I'd have to do all that again. | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: "worth noting that Cloudflare offer the above for free" - you realise that there is nothing "for free" ever, do you. | [09:28] |
| shrysr: | yes. there is always a cost. they get access to any traffic to my site | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | re posting: post on your blog since you made yourself one, sure; do backups and all that; maybe simply add 1-para summary + link on younghands.club; you get a link to your content and it's easier to follow anyway (+ you won't need to change *that*) | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | eh, so "for free" my foot; basically there's nothing for free and if you don't know who pays, it's probably you being sold | [09:31] |
| shrysr: | :D | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | in the spirit of "pillage+rape is good for a school anyway" I'm considering turning on even the xmlrpc thing | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | at least if it's a pillage party, let's make it fully so | [09:32] |
| shrysr: | re: xml-rpc... :(( :( reading up now... did not even consider this. sucks. | [09:32] |
| shrysr: | re: summary + link on younghands ... yes. will do. thats a nice solution. | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | heh, re dns, here's the reference for that: http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ | [09:37] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: how do you write your posts? Directly in the WP editor? I'm on younghands and see that clicking on the 'html' tab doesnt do anything, but when I save the draft, the text is then enclosed within html? | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: there, to test your comments too | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | go to your admin dashboard and change also the links format to the saner date/title | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | because this "p488" is not helping anyone | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I usually write them offline in a text editor and then just plonk them in there; let me see maybe it's some artefact of that installation and/or your author's role | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: do you have both tabs visual/html? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | if you click on them, it should switch from one to another | [09:44] |
| shrysr: | yes I see both tabs. HTML is greyed out. presuming the visual mode is active - but there's just a text input box, with no formatting option. | [09:45] |
| shrysr: | and like i said nothing happens when i click on html | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | so you click on html and it remains grayed out? | [09:45] |
| shrysr: | yes | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | ugh; apparently it's to do with your account's role, I'll need to look at it | [09:46] |
| shrysr: | but when I save the draft - whatever text was in the box gets enclosed in html tags | [09:46] |
| shrysr: | as I just typed hello.... >> saved draft and then I see <p> hello </p> | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | that's what the visual one. | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: log out and back in | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | I've deactivated the visual editor for you so hopefully you get only the html one | [09:47] |
| shrysr: | yea. no tabs now | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | let me know if there's more trouble | [09:48] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: will do. and thanks for the comment! and no - I don't recall ever saying that the tutorial said so... that feels so sad. That being said.. I can improve tons w.r.t understanding each decision and being more skeptical. | [09:56] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: re: mac /windows : what do you do to not be 'owned' ? | [09:57] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: re: saner date/title > i tried that, and remember finding that this has to be enabled in nginx. | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: for starters, I build my own machines (and if it's not built by me, then I'll take it apart first anyway); pretty much same for software (and if /when I need to use shit, well, there's a dedicated "toilet-pc" for that) | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | note that a lot of effort around in tmsr is precisely to enable one to actually own his machine/game/whatever | [10:02] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: i like thatt.. | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | it's to a large extent against all the cloudflare&co crowd (it's not convenient!!!11) but in a nutshell I suppose you could think of it this way: if you own it, then it WILL do whatever *you* ask of it (or you blow it up) | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | the moment you have to "oh, it requires Cloudflare/https/blabla enabled" aka you do what *it* asks, it works the other way around, it's owning your ass | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | btw that's precisely what V enables one to do too: to own the code you run, there's no "oh, it requires now this or that dependency" - if it's not a change proposed by someone you trust (i.e. in your wot), it doesn't even get to bother you with its existence; and even if it's proposed by someone you trust, you get to decide IF you want it anyway | [10:08] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: its hard to deal with building a desktop computer in my 'mobile' situation. I got my MBP 2018 in march. i spent months deliberating... especially because it was so damn expensive. I will admit that it felt like being a slave... I had actually hoped to use a thin client and then a nice server in the cloud. | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | on the plus side though, a desktop computer nowadays is not that huge anymore necessarily and it's a few hundred, probably way cheaper anyway (note that you don't *need* and probably not even want the latest bla-bla) | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | the thing with the nice server in the cloud is that it's ...in the cloud, you know? | [10:11] |
| shrysr: | yes. | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, I'm sure it is hard, it *is* hard, yes. | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, re eulora - it has *very* low graphics requirements really | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | iirc someone even got it running on a virtual machine (though I wouldn't recommend that) | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | you can totally run it with on-board graphics for sure | [10:12] |
| shrysr: | ok. Hmm. One thing I can do is install linux on my 2010 mbp... that way my 2018 stays intact for the occassional MS office pain. | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | it does sound like you already have at least the public-toilet machine aka your mac (the tmsr term of art for those is crapple) | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | note that I don't mind it in the slightest if you go and install eulora on mac - actually it's even better, since so far I don't know of anyone who managed to get it working on mac :D | [10:18] |
| shrysr: | rofl don't i have enough to deal with | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, just in case you didn't :D | [10:28] |
| shrysr: | crapple :D its funny.. by the time you cough up money for a mac... i guess its natural to to resent, no matter how much you recognise being a slave. | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: you are at least honest enough with yourself to recognise it, hence you can at least laugh at it too; most "customers" won't admit it. | [10:32] |
| shrysr: | At best, to be fair - it's been a love hate relationship. I've not been able 'hate' linux per se. For example, i started used i3wm a few months ago and it was a revelation. I almost did not want to go back to the mac... on many days I've wanted to give it all up.... have a simple, powerful system that works. That's probably a utopian definition, but maybe not ? | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: as stated it's not much of a definition (hint: what is "works"?) | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw I don't hate any sort of assorted bits, what did 0/1 ever did to me, lol; people yes, if you find actual persons worth hating might even do you good (hint: perfect focus) | [10:37] |
| shrysr: | "works" is ambiguous. I'm unable to define it clearly, and I think I'll write a post thinking aloud. | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | good idea | [10:45] |
| shrysr: | is a saner date/title thingy necessary? I can enable that, and actually was in the process, when I felt - why not just plain numbers. its easier to refer to ? | [10:49] |
| shrysr: | i.e the default | [10:49] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: how is it easier to refer to? | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | it loses some information with what gain exactly? | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | posts on the blog are text for human consumption not numbers for machine consumption, that's the point there | [10:53] |
| shrysr: | as in a relative link would probably just be /?p=78 .. easier to cross reference older articles and say, I remember today's post is number 79, i just type in the link here... | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | but how do you remember that today's post is number x? | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | that's precisely the thing - the date you already know, while the number... | [10:58] |
| shrysr: | I won't remember forever and........ if i delete and repost, the number changes :)) it seemed short and sweet ! | [11:01] |
| shrysr: | posts are for human consumption, but the URL ? | [11:01] |
| diana_coman: | if you go the route "url is for machine" then you should use the ip directly, neh? | [11:02] |
| shrysr: | :D | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | url is how you find the post so I'd say yes, human consumption too | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, "short and sweet" is mostly a matter of not looking hard enough of the thing :)) | [11:03] |
| shrysr: | :)) !! cmon.. it does have atleast a sense of 'efficiency' doesnt it ! I was actually setting up the long format url when I looked at it and felt unsure whether I needed it... i also was wondering why it had to be 'enabled' in nginx and there was a fleeting but vague thought of 'security??', before i 'moved on'. | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | heh :) | [11:08] |
| shrysr: | so yes..lol. ur right. i did not look hard enough... I'm glad in a way...since I got to hear your wisdom on the matter ! | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | eh, wisdom = total sum of bumps and scrapes and worse one survived so far, you know | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: now you got your site up and yours posts on and apparently can afford to stop futzing with the web part for a bit: what will you focus on as number 1 priority next week? (this week you can tie up loose ends since you kept collecting new ones as far as I can see) | [11:10] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: v.py / RSA / Eulora ? | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds like 3 number 1 priorities? lolz | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | take v.py as number 1, go through it and make notes/ask, poke it, figure it out; for variety, get set up and going with eulora too, sure, that should fit in alongside; rsa can wait a bit atm, I'd say | [11:14] |
| shrysr: | :)) i was providing potential options to fill in space while actually waiting for your directive :P | [11:15] |
| shrysr: | okay. | [11:15] |
| shrysr: | i'm on it. | [11:15] |
| shrysr: | actually look fwd to it. i don't know why yet. | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | cool, don't forget to take notes as you go and post them at the end of the day. | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | heh, good :) | [11:16] |
| shrysr: | yes. | [11:18] |
| shrysr: | It comes out as plain text. I entered in links like: <a href="https://s.ragavan.co/?p=51">setting up new GPG keys</a>. | [20:26] |
| shrysr: | I mean - the links are all removed. They are not available as plain text either. | [20:28] |
| shrysr: | Ok, i tried just the URL without HTML - still not working. You can see the post. | [20:32] |
| shrysr: | Interestingly - i was able to send an encrypted mail with using Emacs - mu4e. However, it seems the email address I send to - has to be available in my gpg keys. Which is logical. | [21:38] |
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