| shrysr: | asciilifeform: thanks.. that was interesting. his website theme was weird... but I liked his start up notes on gpg | [03:01] |
| shrysr: | somehow, I've not been able to comfortably remember the gpg commands, but in emacs, i can easily use the key I want to encrypt and decrypt files. Much faster overall. | [03:02] |
| shrysr: | finds the whole btcbase log concept very interesting. | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: http://younghands.club/wp-login.php lol | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | the conversations in chan here are logged and the log will be made public, yes; similarly to the other chans' logs | [05:10] |
| diana_coman: | go ahead with those definitions then, let's see how well they actually work in practice | [05:11] |
| diana_coman: | re gpg - you can wire it up any way you want ofc but do note that if you lose (as in: someone else gains access to) your private key, you are effectively dead. | [05:12] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: to put the "want-you-don't-want" in context perhaps, here: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ | [05:16] |
| shrysr: | ahhh... i recalled vaguely about the /wp-login. All the random options I tried yesterday were wrong lol. | [11:33] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: oh wow.... that still feels frightening, to have a public log of this channel. For eg, if my boss comes across me saying I'm trying to break into data science... and my comments about the computer literacy and town and etc. It's not like these are strictly objective views or even 'researched'. | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: but so what exactly? | [11:42] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing, the internet IS a public place, you know? | [11:42] |
| diana_coman: | there is no "private" on the internet, esp not at this sort "we hide here and nobody will hear what we say" | [11:42] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, out of curiosity, what do you get paid there? (and why is data science such a bugaboo for your boss anyway?) | [11:43] |
| shrysr: | I was thinking this is also atleast one source of the concern behind unfiltered publishibng on my blog too. i.e publishing something short sighted, or plain wrong... etc etc. | [11:43] |
| diana_coman: | but so what, you are not allowed to be wrong now? | [11:43] |
| diana_coman: | ofc they *are* your own personal views, not some magical/universal truths | [11:44] |
| shrysr: | I am...what about keeping my mouth shut untill I actually know something beyond resonable doubt ? | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | or what, are you considered some saint around there? | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | well, you'll keep your mouth shut forever like that | [11:44] |
| shrysr: | No saint at all ! | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | think of it this way: would you suggest children should not talk at all until they actually know something beyond reasonable doubt? | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | btw if your pay etc is "secret" fine this instance - do me a favour and send it encrypted to my key so it stays private | [11:46] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise: sure, qualify your opinions and make clear your assumptions and line of thought etc; but don't shrink from *saying* what you think - after all, how else will you get to find out how much you are right and how much wrong | [11:48] |
| shrysr: | no.. imposing a no talking constraint on children doesnt make sense. How about listen more, talk less ? I guess it depends on what you get listen then. | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | that certainly. | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | do realise that the issue here is not the "oh, but it's public" - that part should not really matter, not like it's fine to be dumb as long as nobody sees it. | [11:52] |
| diana_coman: | (and yes, occasionally and no matter how much you guard against it, you *will* still do a dumb thing anyway - so learn to live with it) | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | nobody's exempt from doing the dumb thing at times | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: did you log in to the blog? | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | what's your plan ? | [11:55] |
| shrysr: | rofl - my salary figure is unlikely to be worth encrypting, but I'd like to do it for practice... I wil send it across. As such, it's not like all of me wants to hide. I think I'm conflicted between hiding selectively, and its connected both to the desire of not talking non sense, and to the desire of being viewed 'knowledgable'. At the same time, I'm aware of that a different level of refinement is | [12:02] |
| shrysr: | possible by talking to people... not even necessarily smart. That being said, i've still felt alienated from most of the ppl i talk to, and that has pushed me to further towards isolation. | [12:02] |
| diana_coman: | hiding (and esp selective hiding) is a burden that is neither healthy nor something you actually afford to carry really; as for desire of being viewed one way or another - what others "view" is entirely on them, not on you and it's not something you'll ever be able to control anyway (it's not worth it either, fwiw) | [12:07] |
| shrysr: | my plan is to start blogging with an 'updated' spirit or perspective along the lines of your advice. Preferably a daily log of what I've done / learnt. Free form and minimal editing. I had planned to start on the younghands blog, but also work on setting up my vps as well, based off wordpress and eventually migrate when things are satisfactory. | [12:10] |
| shrysr: | I am yet to login. BRB | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: that still sounds rather foggy; how about this: since you know some python, get v.py (asciilifeform's implementation of V) and review it as your first task; this means: go through it line by line as many times as you need until you can fully explain what is going on in there exactly and why | [12:12] |
| diana_coman: | blog your progress following this pattern: first make a plan e.g. you'll think it will take you that much and you plan to start with this bit/that approach; report then daily what you did and how it went and/or if you need to adjust your plan | [12:13] |
| diana_coman: | any questions there? | [12:13] |
| shrysr: | That sounds good to me, and I am quite curious about V as well. No questions right now. | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | cool; speak up here if anything. | [12:18] |
| shrysr: | yes boss :) | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [12:19] |
| shrysr: | 50k a year onlyyyy before tax. | [12:44] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: thats what I make. | [12:45] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I agree the burden is not healthy. I have not been sucessful in weeding it out of me. Maybe I have not thought deeply enough to finger the source(s) of this behavior. | [12:48] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I just logged in to young hands. I was thinking - I should make a daily blog, but separate posts on different topics, so I can tag them appropriately. | [12:49] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I don't want to hide... but i also worry that giving people information about me, gives them power over me, and that irrespective of whether a person would or not take advantage > eventually at some point, an opportunity arises for ppl to take advantage, and they often do. | [12:51] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: the power over you is a different issue, not addressed by hiding / not based on information really; work on being less under the power of others if you want, but that's nothing to do with hiding. | [13:02] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: use the proper terminology so you don't confuse yourself: the blog is the whole thing; each thing you publish is a post (or article) | [13:03] |
| diana_coman: | you have your own category so there is that but if you want to use then different tags, go ahead, sure | [13:03] |
| diana_coman: | as for "people formulate opinions" - sure they do, so what? what's that to do with you now? what, if I "formulate opinion" that Shreeyas is a cabbage, do you start sprouting leaves now? | [13:04] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I don't want to care abt the opinions.. but these have a way of creeping up in conversations in some kind of insulting / incorrect insinuation, undermining say the good parts. Lets say You are not the type to formulate opinions and allow them to influence decisions about me with no real basis.... but the 'human' part of you means that you could be thinking differently an hour from now ? | [13:06] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: the question is how does exactly *my* change do anything to *you*? | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | if you care about an opinion, the reason usually is because it touches some nerve somewhere - so look inside you and see where and why, first of all; but the only things under your control are always inside you, not outside | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | it is also true that some "people" will sprout "opinions" all the time and on anything and with about as much meaning as the wind but then you know, stop talking to such "people", it's unhealthy | [13:11] |
| shrysr: | hmm.. is caring about others opinion the same as wanting to cultivate a specific 'reputation' ? | [13:19] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: re: terminology - noted. I meant to say : rather than a single daily post with different topics as sub headings, I'm planning to start with tagged, separate posts. Then both the tags and the post date could be used to filter + review progress and focus on specific areas. | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: you can do that, yes; just make sure you don't end up with such a complicated "system" that you don't have any time left for the actual writing and work otherwise | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: hmm.. is caring about others opinion the same as wanting to cultivate a specific 'reputation' ? - well, add it to your to-do-list: write a post contrasting those two and try to identify how do they differ exactly? | [13:37] |
| shrysr: | :D ok | [13:38] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: is it me - or does it take several seconds for the page loads while logged in to WP | [14:07] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: re: complex system: yes.. that sounds like what I do with Emacs. BUt it works ! It saves a lot of time after initial setup pains. | [14:08] |
| shrysr: | btw: where are you from ... both of you? | [14:10] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: which both? lol | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | I'm Romanian, currently in the UK; the site/pizarro is hosted in Uruguay | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: re complex system, note that I said simply to make sure that the work gets done, that's all; if it works, good. | [14:58] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: I meant yourself and asciilifeform | [16:02] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: how did you create a link to the encrypted message when you shared my login details? | [16:53] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: https://pastebin.com/QnwGKDjT | [17:10] |
| shrysr: | got your key from deedbot and thats my first message !yay | [17:11] |
| shrysr: | i also got some gpg concepts cleared in #gnupg... it was excellent. | [17:12] |
| shrysr: | I think since coming on to IRC and this channel, I feel like I've learnt more in a week than a long time. hehe | [17:13] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: you know I have to zoom to 140\% to be able to comfortably read your blog , as well as trilema | [20:13] |
| shrysr: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923372 : just wanted to say, i am 31 | [21:18] |
| shrysr: | asciilifeform: / diana_coman: what is the best way to get familiar with the logs? search for terms as they come up? | [21:43] |
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