| diana_alt: | ugh, no deedbot | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently not | [14:45] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: 4 runs of curl http://54.209.217.34/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 > /dev/null give http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1llzt/?raw=true | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ty diana_alt ! | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: imho thus far errything points to the ~pipe~ | [14:52] |
| asciilifeform: | given e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929698 | [14:52] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-08-19 16:38:26 asciilifeform: ... from here eats 0.268s. | [14:52] |
| diana_alt: | BingoBoingo: do you mind waiting until the end of this week for the payment of the Pizarro invoice for my rk? | [14:53] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: it would seem so, yes. | [14:54] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: btw what sorta load time do you get for 'heavy page' from phf's log | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ? | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( his also iirc in usa ) | [14:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_alt: No problem at all | [14:56] |
| diana_alt: | BingoBoingo: thanks! | [14:58] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: hm, a bit longer if anything: real is around 1.5s on 4 runs | [14:58] |
| diana_alt: | same precise page | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: the mirror is on largest spam isp in usa (lulazon) and actually can be moved between a dozen or so locations , we can experiment later if want | [15:00] |
| diana_alt: | specifically: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/su9en/?raw=true | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | ( they have a thing where you can pick in what city ) | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere. | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: my log pages are slightly heavier than phf's, he had 'minimized' css , some scheme for cutting out unprinted whitespace also | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | it's not a huge diff tho iirc | [15:03] |
| diana_alt: | no, not a huge difference anyway; tbh for the moment I can't see much more info to be gotten out of further simple timing tests (or maybe I just don't see it) | [15:08] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: thus far seems to me that we're seeing 100\% pipe effect | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | ( as confirmed by lobbes , my logtron generates the page in approx same time it takes to move the mouse button. can't say re phf's , likely same ) | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. no amt of massage of the proggy is going to make a perceptible diff re load time. | [15:10] |
| diana_alt: | I agree it looks 100\% pipe effect | [15:10] |
| asciilifeform: | imho what's needed, is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929756 . | [15:11] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-08-19 21:52:50 asciilifeform: rly what we oughta have is 7+ ~active~ bots/logotrons on 7 continents, then no one will have to grumble 'wai slow' | [15:11] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: do you recommend just mirroring them on heathen vms? | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | it poses some difficulty; e.g. the 1 i used, is in fact banned from fleanode (unless sslized) on acct of spam | [15:12] |
| asciilifeform: | but proggy is lightweight enuff that it in fact runs a++ in cheapo pseudohosters | [15:12] |
| asciilifeform: | (observe that rubbish-mirror has no bot, it is synced via db dump / cron ) | [15:13] |
| asciilifeform: | seems that any host service which offers traditional python2, will run the thing. | [15:14] |
| diana_alt: | looking at it from the other side, why not just mirror them in the cheapest way too; supposedly there still are some that are not banned on acct of spam either; | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | it took me just slightly over half hour to set up the example mirror. | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( all of the necessary instructions, i think are in the readme ) | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | note that the bot doesn't need to be voiced in order to log. | [15:16] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: I still tend to do a *2 for myself on all your timings; but in any case, it's still on my list for when I get back to my desk | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: the moar, the merrier. | [15:16] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: maybe add those cron/instructions as a patch though? | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: it's defo going in next patch. | [15:18] |
| diana_alt: | i.e. add to the readme or something so one doesn't need to dig in the logs | [15:18] |
| diana_alt: | great, thanks! | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | imho mirrors synced via cron aint especially useful tho | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | as they don't help to bridge gaps in log in the event the bot (of which atm there is only 1, of my type) is bumped | [15:18] |
| diana_alt: | sure; that doesn't mean they don't help in any other way though | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | a proper logtron oughta have own bot, going in realtime | [15:19] |
| diana_alt: | sure | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | the lulazon mirror, i set up specifically to probe q of 'is proggy/web stack slow' | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | as soon as someone sets up proper mirror (i.e. with working bot), we can start on the q of how to auto-sync. | [15:22] |
| asciilifeform: | ( it prolly has not escaped diana_alt's notice, that in so doing we're more or less rebuilding the relevant pieces irc ) | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | *of irc | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | btw re the cron : the instructions posted in log earlier do not in fact result in a working auto-cronsync ; turns out that it is necessary to run 'init_db' script prior to importing a dump, or postgres barfs . this results in 5 or so min. down time (i.e. machine shows empty log) | [15:26] |
| asciilifeform: | i have not conceived of any simple pill against this, of yet. | [15:26] |
| asciilifeform: | imho such mirroring is not all that useful, so did not put serious effort into any such thing as e.g. 'trim the dump so doesn't conflict with existing' | [15:27] |
| asciilifeform: | any auto-sync really oughta use the 'raw-export' knob (implemented -- emitter, but no receiver of yet) | [15:31] |
| diana_alt: | yes, a proper separate working bot (ideally many of them) is the real need; this sort of mirrors are lowest-effort and a rather different thing, can't see any reason to spend a lot of time on them either | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/ossasepia?istart=1000404&iend=1000461 << example | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_alt: imho errybody in l1 oughta have a working bot. (dun even have to be copy of mine, but oughta emit same 'raw' format ideally) | [15:37] |
| diana_alt: | shrysr: those copy/paste bits on your blog - what's exactly their role/your idea with them? they don't quite make posts for sure; are you trying to build a sort of reference list there or what? | [15:37] |
| diana_alt: | asciilifeform: I think I even said as much before, yes; it might have been as a comment on trilema though, can't seem to find it quickly right now. | [15:41] |
| diana_alt: | the above re every lord should run a bot as an even more basic requisite than running a node | [15:42] |
| diana_alt: | there, found it, last line in http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130485 | [15:44] |
| shrysr: | I replied to your comment... they are not posts. It was meant to be a reference... and I guess I liked the story quite a bit. | [22:45] |
| trinque: | funny thing is, looking back on it... it was bad lisp! | [22:46] |
| trinque: | the class and method naming at the very least, written like some java dork | [22:46] |
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