| diana_coman: | hi mp3butcher | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | from the unintentionally entertaining cs: there is an enum re light "dynamic type" that can apparently be ...dynamic or static, dully named e.g. CS_LIGHT_DYNAMICTYPE_STATIC | [15:21] |
| diana_coman: | basically all lights are of "dynamic type" only some are only pseudo-dynamic and others are static | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | in fairness, there are also some dynamic-dynamic | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [16:23] |
| mp3butcher: | hi diana_coman | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | oh hey mp3butcher | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [17:00] |
| mp3butcher: | hi all | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu: mp3butcher is afaik the author of the exporter I used to get Blender stuff out into Cal3d format | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: I saw you maintain the Cal3d site + codebase currently? | [17:03] |
| mp3butcher: | maintain is a big word | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | heh; so what's the status /situation there? | [17:04] |
| mp3butcher: | i fixed stuff with morphtarget | [17:04] |
| mp3butcher: | and include the blender exporter | [17:05] |
| mp3butcher: | after that i migrated to github as gna shutdown | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know if you had a look at eulora and minigame but basically we're building a LOT from ground-up simply because we want it properly done. | [17:06] |
| mp3butcher: | i admit i didn't know about eulora | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, and then when github shutsdown... | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | it's ok, it's a deep rabbit hole :) | [17:07] |
| mp3butcher: | cal3d is pretty mature...so there's no real code maintenance | [17:08] |
| mp3butcher: | actually i maintained osgAnimation after that | [17:09] |
| mp3butcher: | not the same beast | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: minigame's plan is to make a proper market for artists | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | in the sense that players select what art they want (and where/which bits) and then artists get paid based on the use of what they made | [17:11] |
| mp3butcher: | interesting economic model | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | part of this means that the client will be able to download from server ANY new piece of art as/when it becomes available | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | (and this part is currently precisely in the works) | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | furthermore, we need to rather automate the export process from blender | [17:15] |
| mp3butcher: | big work indeed (blender api keep changing all the time) | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, THAT part is easy really: we fix the version and that's that | [17:17] |
| mp3butcher: | ...pertinent... | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | around those parts, there is no tolerance for "improvements" that are more bloat and mess than anything else (also known as verschlimbesserung if you have any inkling of German) | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | if you don't mind me asking: what are you doing other than maintaining cal3d, osganimation and the like? | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose you might find interesting also the V versioning system for that matter. | [17:20] |
| mp3butcher: | research on real time fluid mechanism (post thesis), crowd simulation, contributing on OpenSceneGrpah ecosystem (core osg, osgBullet, osgCal, osgAudio)...all kind of GPGPU stuff | [17:22] |
| mp3butcher: | i've worked with SVN,CVS, git so versioning system does not worry me | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | heh, V is...one of a kind; let me fish some refs for you | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: but at any rate: what *does* worry you? | [17:25] |
| mp3butcher: | directX | [17:26] |
| mp3butcher: | :) | [17:26] |
| mp3butcher: | hlsl | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | at least cal3d and blender are not on the list :D | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: here's a nice picture re V, perhaps a gentler entry point to it than anything else I can think of: http://btcbase.org/patches | [17:28] |
| mp3butcher: | the new Eevee python api worries me, cause would involve plugin maintenance | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | you can select a project and see its tree of patches; each patch will be signed by its author and/or anyone else who is ready to publicly state they trust it | [17:28] |
| mp3butcher: | i've never heard about this versionning system | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | heh, re new python I can further dispel your worries: we fixed Python version too, quite some time ago (basically < 3.) | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | to ref waaaay back in 2016: http://logs.minigame.biz/2016-11-28.log.html#t14:27:47 | [17:33] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2016-11-28 14:27:47: <mircea_popescu> i'm not terribly sure python 3 has any sort of future. it seems altogether unable to muster specific support in tmsr, and the open sores movement is running out of steam. | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: are there others actively working on Cal3d ? or how did you end up inheriting the maintenance? | [17:35] |
| mp3butcher: | i inherit the maintenance because of a bug in morphtarget | [17:37] |
| mp3butcher: | when i contacted Loic Zachary he let my the key to the house as he was to busy with openstack | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: as a starting point for Eulora you might find this interesting http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-eulora-disrupting/ | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | back then I was just a new player of Eulora too! | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: maybe make a GPG key and register it with deedbot so that next time you connect we can tell that it's really you aka the same person? | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | there is a lot new around here and it may take a while to get some of it | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | but at any rate, you might want to talk to mircea_popescu too when he gets online as he's the ceo of minigame (Eulora's producer) | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | I'll go offline in ~15 minutes but I'll be back tomorrow and the channel is logged so I'll be able to follow-up tomorrow | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: in any case, would you be interested in making the blender->cal3d automation part? (as previously stated, with fixed versions of everything so once done well it's forever, no eternal breaking because the api changed under you). | [18:00] |
| mp3butcher: | it would be interesting.. let me think about it ...see you tomorrow | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | mp3butcher: take your time, no hurry at all. | [18:07] |
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