| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (65h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (65h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (65h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (65h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (27h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (20h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (43h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (66h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [00:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids --- | [00:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes, ty! | [00:24] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (64h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (64h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (64h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (64h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (26h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (19h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (42h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (65h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids --- | [01:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> diana_coman, so basically, mining buries quality ? -> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t20:31:11 | [04:19] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-06-04 20:31:11: <diana_coman> well, mining was leaking in ...quality; you put q 900 in and you get q 100 or whatever the fuck | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | !Qcalc 2*20*15.7*35880 | [04:25] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 22532640 | [04:25] |
| diana_coman: | !QAuction 22.5m 48 20 AW q1570 | [04:26] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 203 STARTED by diana_coman: 20 AW q1570 Opening: 22.5m coppers Ending: 2018-06-12 08:26:17 UTC (48 hours) | [04:26] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, danielpbarron wine pre-float, possibly of interest ^ | [04:26] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, re crafting I'd say it looks likely you are hammering perhaps at the wrong end of it: you are trying to force the quality high by using huge q inputs but by the sound of it you are possibly using too high q bps for your char + context atm | [04:28] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'm stuck now having to experiment with various level crafters as well, ugh | [04:30] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (60h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (60h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (60h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (47h14) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (60h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (22h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (15h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (38h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (61h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [05:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids --- | [05:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you around for the sr? | [09:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (56h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (56h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (56h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (43h14) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (56h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (18h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (11h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (34h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (57h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [09:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids --- | [09:12] |
| Mocky: | I'm working on make-mining-bundle-from-recipe and want to confirm that: if bundle already exists, always just use that | [10:45] |
| lobbesbot: | Post from dianacoman: Chasing the Elusive Euloran Quality <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/10/chasing-the-elusive-euloran-quality/> | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, yes, that is preferred behaviour as far as I'm concerned | [10:46] |
| Mocky: | ok | [10:46] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (54h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (54h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (54h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (41h14) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (54h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (16h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (9h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (32h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (55h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids --- | [11:12] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 203 22.5m | [12:35] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 203: 20 AW q1570 Heard: 22.5mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-12 08:26:17 UTC (39 hours 50 mins) | [12:35] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 197 3.3m | [12:36] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.3mn from danielpbarron overbidding diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (53 hours 15 mins) | [12:36] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (52h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (52h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (52h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (39h14) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (52h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (14h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (7h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (30h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (53h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [13:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids --- | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, honestly, i can push q up, i made a bunch of 3-4k q stuff out of 1k and sub 1k q inputs. the problem is that a) i get 10\% or so bv in items and b) needs high q bps | [13:19] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (51h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (51h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (51h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (38h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (51h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (13h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (6h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (29h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (52h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids --- | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, well that is pretty much first line there - you can push q up but for numina as it were (mainly, mostly); thing is: intermediate crafter with highly-skilled bundle pushes q up for items and not even with huge q bp | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again i guess that numina goes into bundles which make eventually lbn... so it'\s not precisely a loss. | [14:33] |
| diana_coman: | which lbn still gets relatively low q so dunno about it | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, what ?! | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, oh, gets. myeah. | [14:44] |
| Mocky: | diana_coman, i'm trying to grok why the bot is pulling all of the matching items out of the table and stacking them in inventory on top of the output of the current explore every time, only to immediately put it right back in the table. There's a whole stage to do this ExploreActivity::DoGetResources(). I understand the need to keep track of which table slots hold which items. would it be bad to get rid of | [14:47] |
| Mocky: | ExploreActivity::DoGetResources() and just do that bookkeeping in the next stage ExploreActivity::DoStoreResources()? | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, btw, got some sr for me ? | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, that part was trying to take advantage of the auto-mix of same-q when you do take all | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | it all depends on how you currently put them into the table: if you keep track of what is where and therefore you stack same-q directly in the table, it would be great and all that dance is not needed, take it out | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | if however you put them into the table one by one each time in a new slot, you'll soon fill the table | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, gotta stack. | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, it's not as simple as it sounds unfortunately | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | the whole trouble with "I know what I put in there and so I rely on that" | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | ran quickly into the delay /lost messages trouble | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, i wanted to ask : could he force a map reload from the bot ? | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | if you remember that was when poor bot interacted with the world as it should have been as opposed to as it was | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | get rid of ghost items that way ? | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, eurgh, that is deeeeeep into the gem-shit, not much to do with bot at all; I'm not even sure that there IS a reset i.e. delete all items as such really; I guess at best one could write a hack and then sure, you can call it from wherever | [14:52] |
| Mocky: | re: stacking, currently the bot is not separating on quality per se, but on claim type, so all e.g. flotsam from smalls is going to mix | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, this'd be a big deal, if you figure out how to make the client purge and reload its worldimage. | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | and this is a terrible model you describe. i got q 633 and q 190 tubers from smalls. | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, yes, that is because earlier you'd get same q from claim type | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | now...it's different | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, yeah, you know, by today's standards after x updates everything is a terrible model | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | >D | [14:55] |
| Mocky: | lol | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, i said is, not every was!!1 | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, you do need though to change that, yes, there's no way around it | [14:55] |
| Mocky: | ok i think i understand the stacking now | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, it'd be an acceptable solution to produce a config file for your bot, have a bunch of defaults in there. such as for instance have a quality ranges, and then the bot only mixes within those ranges. | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | items in inventory have quality as an attribute so you can simply loop through inventory and move everything according to its q | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | so if i set it to say 33, the bot will mix q 665 with 663 but not with 667 | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, mixing though needs to be mixing | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | not just dropping on top | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | and that is another activity in itself | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [14:57] |
| Mocky: | I don't understand the 'not just dropping on top' part | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, if you mix a stack of 100 items q 1 with a stack of 100 items q2 by dropping a on b, you will get a stack of 200 items q1 | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | thereby losing about 1/3 of the value from the original system | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, quality of resulting stack is calculated as floor((x*q1+y*q2)/(x+y)) | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | so you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything | [14:59] |
| Mocky: | ok | [15:00] |
| diana_coman: | any other mixing means several steps | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | is itching to send mircescu mining | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, does the mixing algo make sense to you ? | [15:03] |
| Mocky: | yes, it does | [15:03] |
| Mocky: | this part is a lot more involved than I thought | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | it is | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | <Mocky> this part is a lot more involved than I thought <- this actually might apply to eulora as a whole too :D | [15:05] |
| Mocky: | yeah, was thinking just that. universal statement about eulora | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, alternatively, going back to the config idea, you could have a "tolerance" defined, and you could then mix a q x with b q y such that (ax + by)/(a+b) decimal part is over the stated limit. or perhaps decimal part * qabv, say. | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is lossy, though arbitrarily so, but it is indeed faster than the pairs mixing method. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | in any case a calculator, where you could tel lthe bot to target q x, and it could offer you some combos from storage that'd achieve it, would be very useful | [15:07] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, the saddest part is that it's not even about speed per se but rather about the number of moves - every time one needs to basically wait in between it's a mess | [15:07] |
| diana_coman: | if bot could only fire the whole sequence and not worry about it, that'd be grand, but sadly that's atm just a recipe for all sorts of fail | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | like, /bot select hurr durr blueprint 16 0.01 and it says "well, 122 q 1 and 5 q 750 will do it. | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, a thing where i can drag an item into the textbox and it populates with its name would be SPLENDID | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, are you having fun yet, btw ? | [15:11] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (50h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (50h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (50h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (37h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (50h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (12h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (5h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (28h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (51h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [15:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids --- | [15:12] |
| Mocky: | actually i am | [15:12] |
| Mocky: | but the more things i do, the more i see even more things to do | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | heh, sounds very familiar | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | counts this as proper gaming. | [15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, sr ?! | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, ah, yes, 1 min | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk. | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, says u bizi | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, traaaaade | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got coins ? | [15:20] |
| diana_coman: | lol, not really | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, owe me... what was it | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qcalc 2 - 1.315 - 0.512 | [15:22] |
| lobbesbot: | mircea_popescu: 0.173 | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | owe me 173k for next tiem./ | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | might have it in bank, will look | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, no biggy | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like we don't trade | [15:24] |
| Mocky: | ok, so my plan was fixup table handling, use recipe for mining bundle, swap tools. now that I see table handling needs tower of hanoi stacking impl, would I better keep on making the table stacking fully useful, or get recipes & tools done first? | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | both are needed anyway, ordering not so important | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, to add to your hopper : if i start with cft andf lbn in table, far exceeding my weight limit, is your bot smart enough to use them for crafting ? | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | for mining* i mean | [15:27] |
| Mocky: | currently no, and not only that will balk trying to place resources into those slots. but i have a planned fix in the pipeline already | [15:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | coolness. this'd be a pretty great holy grail for mining, little harvester puttering about. | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | want a humongo pile of lbn to test out with ? | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | (the ~other~ holy grail, for the curious, is when you process the logs into maps and i can just say /mine wpl and it goes where it thinks the best odds to get wpl are and mines there) | [15:30] |
| Mocky: | that's in the pipeline too. right behind 'generate navigation mesh from map files' | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | now i understand why you're having fun :D | [15:32] |
| Mocky: | I don't see myself running out of interesting problems anytime soon | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | meet me at storage i'll give you some lbn to test with. | [15:34] |
| Mocky: | ok, i'm here | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, getting back to the harvestables and q issues: atm it would seem I have a choice between either selling harvestables around ~200q (basics at least...) or making them into craftables such as slag ~214q and selling that | [15:36] |
| diana_coman: | the difference there is not big; presumably some better fitting would improve it | [15:36] |
| diana_coman: | but the q is: does that help you at all? | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | said you're topo busy. you trade me Mocky | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | lol, that was one of my boys | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. would you rather buy flotsam and sr 180q or slag 220q? | [15:37] |
| Mocky: | thx | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, i don't care which, tbh. slag prolly slightly better as it saves some time. but the thing is, atm i got slag and i'm finishing a 50k ibs run | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | whjat i need are tubers, tpt, wpl, sg | [15:38] |
| diana_coman: | of which only tubers are actually basics,lol | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, i'd take 1 bn worth at decent qty and reasonable price. | [15:39] |
| diana_coman: | atm my pricing of basics will stick with http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-08.log.html#t10:48:16 | [15:40] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-06-08 10:48:16: <diana_coman> mircea_popescu, how does this schema for pricing harvestables sound: 0-99q -> 120\%; 100-500q adds 0.1 to markup for every q point so (120+(q-100)*0.1)*bv/100 e.g. q130 means (120+(130-100)*0.1)*bv/100 = 123\% markup; from 500 to 1000q each q point adds 0.2 | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | unless I find something better than it | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd entertain that i think | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | but myeah, the problems there are basically not solved at all, esp re non-basics | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, let's see in order. cs is locked because no tpt ; dt/wos are stuck because no sg. so/us are stuck because no wpl. | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh im sorry : cs needs tpt AND pss. | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | but atm i'm basically finishing an ibs run, will make lft and then, if tubers manifest, gin | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | if tubers don't manifest, io. | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha,the tubers manifest | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | >D | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | are you getting 10\% items sort of thing on that ibs? | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | or what? | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, about 1000\% | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | oh fuck this idiotic client how the hell can it mistake fox for mircescu when she was next to heina | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | happened to me a few times too, total bs. | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the driver, do you know ? order of messages from server maybe ? | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | the driver is stupid client behaviour really; server clearly communicates the char correctly since even client shows every time correctly the char in the first window, doesn't it? | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | but client then does this stupid shit where it asks for the world and then it kind of discards half of it for all sorts of reasons and then asks for other things and then somewhere somehow it chooses one entity to believe it is self | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | !QCalc 5422*1.285*1.85*87 | [15:55] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 1121382.1065 | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | !QAuction 1.12mn 48 5422 NT q185 | [15:57] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 204 STARTED by diana_coman: 5422 NT q185 Opening: 1.12mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-12 19:57:42 UTC (48 hours) | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | !Qbid 197 3.4mn | [16:10] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.4mn from diana_coman overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (49 hours 40 mins) | [16:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (49h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (49h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (49h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (36h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (49h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (11h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=No bids E=06-12 19:57:42 (47h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (4h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (27h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (50h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [16:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 189.4mn total bids --- | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, 1st set of NT ^ | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qcalc 87 * 5422 * 1.85 | [16:17] |
| lobbesbot: | mircea_popescu: 872670.9 | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, i think more like q120-130 in the future, but ok. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qbid 204 1.12mn | [16:17] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 204: 5422 NT q185 Heard: 1.12mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-06-12 19:57:42 UTC (47 hours 39 mins) | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you want lower q now? | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | as per your formula, works best for me. | [16:18] |
| diana_coman: | scratches head | [16:18] |
| diana_coman: | as per the formula q1 works swimmingly :D | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i got two constraints : a utility log and the price exponential you described. they'll meet somewhere. | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | come to think about it, something like 120\% + log(q)*10 might be exactly what i want to pay, per q. | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I did not want to hit the noobs, hence ignored the under 100 as it were; but I get what you mean; there is the dubious fact that *nothing* going in is even at 120\% ever (electron's cft is 135\% anyway) | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm there's that | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, re the above : per q > 120 | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | it dun work well with lower qs than that | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | tbh, pretty much all of this is a shot in the dark, but what can you do,. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | wowza i popped! | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10k ibs roflmao | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | o.O, congrats | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | 10k ibs can't hurt at all | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | but are you saying there you'd pay 140\% actually for 120q? | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, that pop totally made me. ~5.8mn run, right ? | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, nah, it was fitted for higher end q. | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, lol | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | so without the pop i'd have been about 80\%. with it, more like 120\%. | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, listen, ima put therse tubers into alc process, gonna prolly have more sensible things to say after | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | it's kind of lucky /weird you get ibs; every time foxy popped on lapidary she always got numina only, not the product although otherwise she was actually getting product | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean really, it's insanely fucking impossible to reason, if one magic click turns a craft run like that | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I know | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | what am i to say ? "i dunno if i hit the right bundle yet or not" | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, i got 95\% ibs. | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, no hurry, not as if they rot or anything | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10k+ of the stuff. | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i literally turned 6k clicks into like 50k ibsen | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, quite a cool sort of pop, beyond the bv | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | in other news, I can backup my blog-posted hypothesis with more stuff: same noob, same bundles ets, he gets q198 tubers when using the imp tool and q 183 when using the basic one | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | the sadness with mining seems to be that there aren't all that many tools to click basically | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow, so imps actually do something ? | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | this'd put to rest a 5 year old question lol | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so, in 5.9 mn, out 6.3mn ibs + 242k sentiments, meaning 111\% bv returns and 96\% conversion rate. | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | as long as you get a pop big enough | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | did this increase quality? | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not really. | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 90 -> 80s | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, sinking quality seems to be all too easy | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | but ima do a battery like yours. so : bp q 5, bundle q 427, output 2 ltf q 53 | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | I'm going to set up my middle crafter to click some 100 foxy's bundles to see if anything comes out of it really | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | bp q 37, bundle q 429, output 2 ltf q 53, output all numina. | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | bp q 37, bundle q 429, output 2 ltf q 53, output all numina. q 142. | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | is that just copy/paste there the 2 ltf q 53 on bp 37? | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | bp q 37, bundle q 322, output 2 ltf q 53, output 8 bottles, q 123 | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | o.O bundle q322 and bp q37 is... better than bundle q429 and bp q37? | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | or is that just a glitch, you mini-popped there or something | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | how would i know ? | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | bp q 18, bundle q 427 , output 2 ltf q 53, output 1 bottles, q 99 | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | well, I reported them as one single thing but I did 10 clicks of each, lol | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | bp q 18, bundle q 322 , output 2 ltf q 53, output 1 bottles, q 86 | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it seems to ~not actually matter, in a sense, 420 or 320 bundle, i still get 1 bottle. | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | q went down though | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | prolly after some threshold you don't get the bottle either | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: how else could it matter in this sense continuously exactly? | [17:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno | [17:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | but seems to me i'm converting about 80\%, ie, not nearly as well as with the ibs. | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, imo bottles q 99 are not useless. | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | they aren't useless, no; but onth if at next step you keep losing another 10 q points... | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, doesn't sound like a very great deal | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | except for the use of low q bps I suppose | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ibs im using is q 80s | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | and merchant cdg. of course the goop is like 400 | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | what can you do ? | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | until the goop I was thinking it was actually good | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [17:11] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (48h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (48h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (48h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (35h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (48h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (10h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (46h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (3h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (26h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (49h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [17:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 190.52mn total bids --- | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | apparently q216 of lvl1 craftables is perfectly doable atm; dunno about q400 though | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot did you ever collect that grimy toolkit? | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | 100 clicks intermediate crafter on bundle q689, bp 133q ; he ranked 6 levels in tinkering, 1 in sortage; he got 135 slag q217 and 78 q216 + 1.6k tpf q217 and 1k tpf 216 | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | !QCalc 100*(677*6.89+67*1.33) /(677*2.17*135+677*2.16*78+1600*2.17+1000*2.16) | [17:34] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 1.49476081874 | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | !QCalc (135*677*2.17+78*677*2.16)/(677*6.89*100) | [17:38] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 0.669709724238 | [17:38] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman sorry 'bout the delay, i'm logging into the game right nao if you'd like to trade | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, k, 2 min to get back to town | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, ready when you are | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy! | [17:58] |
| hanbot: | cheers :) | [17:58] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu, convenient trading time for you also? | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [17:58] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (47h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (47h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (47h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (34h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (47h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (9h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (45h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (2h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (25h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (48h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 190.52mn total bids --- | [18:12] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 197 3.5m | [18:15] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.5mn from danielpbarron overbidding diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (47 hours 35 mins) | [18:15] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.5mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (46h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (46h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (46h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (33h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (46h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (8h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (44h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (1h27) >>> 102 WoA q2350 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (24h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (47h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 190.62mn total bids --- | [19:12] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 194 has ENDED: 102 WoA q2350 SOLD to diana_coman for 90mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu | [20:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, convenient ? | [20:41] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.5mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (44h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (44h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (44h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (31h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (44h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (6h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (42h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (22h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (45h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [21:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 100.62mn total bids --- | [21:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3k flasks in 1.3k clicks... | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like 12mn worth of flasks, 250k worth of numina. even ~better~ conversion than before. and with n omajor pops | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | 15mn run tho, so a ~15\% loss | [22:04] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.5mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (43h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (43h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (43h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (30h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (43h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (5h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (41h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (21h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (44h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [22:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 100.62mn total bids --- | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | oooh, 119 io. mini ftw :D | [22:57] |
| lobbesbot: | A#197 O=3mn HB=3.5mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (42h39) >>> 120 ALC q16 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (42h41) >>> 120 ATC q16 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (42h42) >>> 120 NGC q16 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (29h13) >>> 20 AW q1570 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (42h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q47 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (4h46) >>> 942 ACG q152 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (40h45) >>> 5422 NT q185 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (20h46) >>> 1 GT q3184364 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (43h1) >>> 1 TW q8599908 | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 100.62mn total bids --- | [23:12] |
| hanbot: | !Qbid 203 23.5m | [23:12] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 203: 20 AW q1570 Heard: 23.5mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-12 08:26:17 UTC (29 hours 13 mins) | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | iana_coman, you selling wm ? any q really. | [23:36] |
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