| Mocky: | I've fallen down a... well? and can't get out. I'm at 76.8 0 -37.89 | [09:59] |
| lobbesbot: | Post from dianacoman: EuCrypt Chapter 13: SMG RNG <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/> | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | awww Mocky , did you fall off the edge of the world? | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | or is it the central crater? | [10:03] |
| Mocky: | central crater | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | k, log out and I'll pick you out this time; there's nothing useful in that crater really | [10:04] |
| Mocky: | ok, I logged out | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, try it now | [10:06] |
| Mocky: | I'm good now, thank you | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | yw | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | what do you do Mocky , other than playing Eulora? | [10:13] |
| Mocky: | I spend the week days slaving for my java overlords and on Friday when they hand me my well earned half crust of bread, it take it and head to the mountains for a hike | [10:17] |
| Mocky: | how about you? | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | mountain hiking sounds very nice indeed | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | for the past 2 years I've been mainly Eulora-programming; it's in http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/ | [10:24] |
| Mocky: | I have 55k rr to sell you with quality 1 | [10:27] |
| Mocky: | !Qcalc 55000*67*.01*1.3 | [10:27] |
| lobbesbot: | Mocky: 47905 | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | mind doing it in a few hours? I'll be away from the keyboard for a while | [10:28] |
| Mocky: | no problem, just let me know | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | 55k is not even half bad. | [12:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you get foxybot to work Mocky ? | [12:53] |
| Mocky: | I did but I had to fix a number of things like a faulty parse of the "exploration marker" message and unable to find table & lbn in inventory. Also sometimes it seemed to try to build the wrong claim, so I improved that and taught it to autoloot lbn from the ground | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you have a blog ? | [13:56] |
| Mocky: | I do not. I started one 10 years ago and after one post looked back on it and realized I had nothing to say | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | you have plenty to say ; if you don't publish the above what do i link to in the future ? | [14:04] |
| Mocky: | That's a good point | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what, i'll buy you shared hosting on pizarro's server for the rest of the year, you get a blog up there and publish the foregoing. how about that ? | [14:07] |
| Mocky: | I'll take you up on that offer. Now that I'm thinking about it again, I dare say I could come up with quite a few things to post about | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | worst comes to worst, do what i do | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | tits. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, join #trilema, also. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know what that is, even ? | [14:12] |
| Mocky: | I've been reading #trilema logs the last week and trilema.com also. | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | oh hey, that work on the bot sounds very useful, Mocky | [14:36] |
| diana_coman: | by the sounds of it I'd read your blog | [14:36] |
| diana_coman: | at any rate, trade with Foxy whenever convenient, Mocky | [14:36] |
| Mocky: | Ok, i'm trying to trade you now. this is my first time trading this much weight so bear with me | [15:24] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, no worries, just ping me when you're done | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | with ctrl-click iirc you can grab the whole pile - first to inv, then to trade | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | should work | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I think | [15:25] |
| Mocky: | ok it's in there, had it on a table | [15:26] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, do you have change from that? | [15:27] |
| diana_coman: | 2k is fine | [15:27] |
| Mocky: | all i hve is 1755 | [15:27] |
| diana_coman: | that works | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | there we go, thank you | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | and I'll still buy more rr | [15:29] |
| Mocky: | thanks | [15:29] |
| diana_coman: | apparently I can use a ton of it anyway | [15:29] |
| Mocky: | so what will those reeds be made into? | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | pocc | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | that'll make ampoules | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | foxy's quite good with that line so it works very well for her at any rate but they are also quite useful forward in the chain | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, have you figured out how quality works at all? | [15:31] |
| Mocky: | you mentioned before about books and tools, and maybe you could sell me some, or how does that work | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, sure; books give you skills | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | as you use the skill, you gain experience | [15:32] |
| Mocky: | i read aobut overcrafting and undercrafting and I felt i grasped it at the time but, i think i'll need to start doing it to fully comprehend | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | aha; I think you can see a bit of that at work if you build a claim for me for instance | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | lemme see what I can do for you | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, first I gotta put those reeds in storage, lol | [15:33] |
| Mocky: | so where do the books come from, crafted also? | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | yes, crafted by players too | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | even...written by players :D | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | did you find my "cookbook" ? | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html <- this contains the items foxy has seen /heard of in game so far | [15:35] |
| Mocky: | yes i have it open actually | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | aha :) the "scribblings" are the skill books | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | such as this one: http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Foxys-Dismal-Scribblings-on-Gathering.html | [15:35] |
| Mocky: | ahh, i saw those when looking for books earlier today but didn't make the connection | [15:36] |
| Mocky: | this game is different to what I expected, in a good way. I was afraid the 'bitcoin economy' was going to be a gambling thing or a bullshit communist 'share the wealth' thing like I've seen in other games | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm here to none of that crap. | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough the "share the wealth" crowd always shares someone else's wealth | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | doh. | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | no, no, they do share their "wealth" too; it just has those..."" | [15:42] |
| Mocky: | I saw one free to play game where everyone logged in gets a \% share of optional items purchased. jesus, if i wanted a welfare state of poor beggars funded by 1\%'ers I can just walk out my front door | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | heh, where in the world is your front door Mocky ? | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | at any rate, follow Fox behind the house and trade so I give you a tool | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | we'll dig a bit of cr | [15:47] |
| Mocky: | currently Raleigh North Carolina but maybe I get an upgrade soon, lol | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, dig a claim up | [15:50] |
| Mocky: | ok, cr claim | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, right, pass me on the enum so I make a bundle for you | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, there, have a look at that bundle's q | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | if curious, go and check what its value is | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | (at storage it will show it) | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | and then go ahead and build this claim with this bundle; get another claim and build it with a lower q bundle of your own; spot the difference :D | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | btw lock the claim if you go away from it for a bit or it might vanish | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | ahem, lol | [15:55] |
| Mocky: | ok | [15:55] |
| Mocky: | so the number in storage right next tothe icon is price then? i didn't realize that | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | I'll want the cr from this claim; otherwise you can keep that tool (and don't throw it away when spent as it's still used as input for some crafts) | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | it's base value | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | quality adjusted base value in fact | [15:57] |
| Mocky: | ok | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | so it is the minimal price if you want - since S.MG (via Spirover, the NPC trader) will always pay that if you sell stuff to it directly | [15:57] |
| Mocky: | gotcha | [15:58] |
| Mocky: | i notice that building this claim takes substantially longer than what I've seen so far | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | aha; did you figure out why? | [15:59] |
| Mocky: | well i haven't tried a lower quality bundle yet, but my guess is that it's proportional to the quality adjusted base value it is likely to yield | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | like any hypothesis, all it needs is a good testing | [16:02] |
| Mocky: | indeed | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, anyway, luck does play a factor ; if you type /show top and look at all time, that's pretty much it. | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | Foxy can attest that bad luck plays an even more painful factor :p | [16:07] |
| Mocky: | oh! that's what the tops of pops thing is, i saw the src file and had nfi what it was for | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically you can, in principle, experience VERY high returns. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a case when noob player hit the ground with a cheap axe and got i dun even recall, 5mn worth of thorns or grass or what was it. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | three years ago or such, but anyways. | [16:09] |
| Mocky: | i'm assuming you can't be equally un-lucky | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... how lol. you know what you're risking going in. | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, this is ultimately why items sell for a \% -- some are harder to get than others. | [16:11] |
| shinohai: | danielpbarron: you around this afternoon? | [16:18] |
| lobbes: | oh hey, you're only a few hours from me >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-03.log.html#t19:47:19 | [16:20] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-05-03 19:47:19: <Mocky> currently Raleigh North Carolina but maybe I get an upgrade soon, lol | [16:20] |
| Mocky: | !Qcalc 17016*73 | [16:20] |
| lobbesbot: | Mocky: 1242168 | [16:20] |
| Mocky: | I was expecting the quality of this tool to decrease, but I see it doesn't necessarily decrease each time | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, o.O? | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | is the tool same q as when I gave it to you? | [16:25] |
| Mocky: | yes | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | that is...weird; can you trade me the tool so I see this wonder please? | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | heh, no it's not | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | look in your chat log Mocky | [16:26] |
| Mocky: | oh hmm. you are right | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | btw I'd recommend you make sure you have turned on full logging in game as that thing is quite useful | [16:28] |
| Mocky: | oh, i will | [16:29] |
| Mocky: | diana_coman: thank you for your time, and the lesson and that tool | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | !Qcalc 17016*0.01*73 | [16:34] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 12421.68 | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, you're welcome! | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | !Qcalc 68*180 | [16:36] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 12240 | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | !Qcalc 68*180 + (1400-1213) | [16:37] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 12427 | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | look at that: he got 12421 qabv of CR from 12427 input cft+tool | [16:37] |
| Mocky: | but wasn't the quality of the cr 1.0 not .01? | [17:57] |
| Mocky: | oh, nm, lol | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, that\'s 99.95\% ! | [21:43] |
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