| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman dead again, check this shit out! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jHsle/?raw=true | [00:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | same exact shit. suddenly stopped working. | [00:15] |
| diana_coman: | hm, there is that glXSwapBuffers in there but not sure what I can say on it all | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | yaaay, finally finished that dt click | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | for the curious, that was 6 tomes, q1355, undercrafted (i.e. NO loot) | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 1.5*12000*0.9*677 | [09:05] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 1.5*12000*0.9*677 = 10967400 | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | !QAuction 11mn 48 12k Slag q 90 | [09:05] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 160 STARTED by diana_coman: 12k Slag q 90 Opening: 11mn coppers Ending: 2017-11-10 14:05:47 UTC (48 hours) | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, can pickup dt now | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool but i'm like 30\% done | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | oh, ping when ready then as noob has money too now | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | slag on auction btw | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool! | [09:27] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=No bids E=11-10 14:05:47 (47h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [09:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 0 total bids --- | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 12000*.9*677 | [09:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 12000*.9*677 = 7311600 | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qbid 160 11mn | [09:36] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 160: 12k Slag q 90 Heard: 11mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2017-11-10 14:05:47 UTC (47 hours 29 mins) | [09:36] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (46h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [10:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [10:34] |
| DicePower: | Heya :) | [13:18] |
| DicePower: | Following a couple of month break, I logged into my Eulora account today and attempted to delete my character, upon which I received the message, "Characters cannot be deleted anymore." | [13:18] |
| DicePower: | I'm not sure if this change was implemented temporarily for technical reasons (caused crashes?), or is intended as a permanent feature (the wording seems to imply the latter, although the message could be leftover from CS or Planeshift), but it's given me quite a scare, and I'm hoping there is or will be a way to bypass it. | [13:19] |
| DicePower: | The reason I find this change so disturbing is that I've invested over 100 hours into the largely unexplored goal of understanding and utilizing the game's stat system, which involves the repetitive creation and deletion of characters. While I'm far from finished, I'd estimate that I've made 60-70\% progress, and the inability to delete characters makes it impossible to continue. | [13:19] |
| DicePower: | I trust that while the majority here do not see my stat study endeavor as worthwhile, it is clear why I'm very invested at this point, and thus quite on edge about this error message :) | [13:21] |
| shinohai: | Well stats are important | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, yes, characters can not be deleted anymore | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | permanent feature | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | and in any case, for any readers of the log: the way to explore is by playing, of course | [13:24] |
| DicePower: | Is the reason for this change such that the change is etched in stone, or is there a possibility of implementing some way to delete characters again? | [13:26] |
| DicePower: | I don't like to be "that one guy" who complains about every change in a game I don't like, but I suppose it's apparent why this one is so devastating, granted, I'm probably the only player who would be affected by it to such an extreme degree. | [13:34] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (43h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [13:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, the change is not devastating at all; if you really want to assume some "devastation" then at least have the honesty of recognising that it is entirely due to your own delay+approach, nothing to do with the game itself | [13:47] |
| diana_coman: | and to answer the question: the change brings eulora in closer alignment with its original intended underlying principles that are otherwise clearly stated in the s.mg posts on trilema; they have been there for a while too, nothing new really | [13:48] |
| diana_coman: | so if you do find a way to delete your character, let us know as you'll prolly even get some bounty for finding such a hole | [13:49] |
| DicePower: | diana_coman: I do not mean to imply fault in the game, it's just devastating to me, not the community as a whole. I'm more than willing to take responsibility for being slow. | [13:51] |
| diana_coman: | so take it and go ahead and actually play this time | [13:57] |
| diana_coman: | characters stay as they are and moreover new players get an automatically generated character too; no choice of name or gender either anymore | [13:58] |
| shinohai: | So if you want a sex change, roll the dice! | [13:59] |
| DicePower: | How do I roll? | [13:59] |
| shinohai: | It's a pun. | [13:59] |
| DicePower: | I would highly appreciate at least a one time wipe of my character, since I am not a new player, so that I can create one to play with. My automatically generated character's name sounds like a porn star's. | [14:01] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (42h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [14:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [14:34] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, eh, what's in a name and all that; out of curiosity though: what makes you think you won't find the next name even sluttier? | [14:38] |
| DicePower: | diana_coman: Well, because my request is for a one time chance to create my own character, as the rest of us did who created our accounts before the change. | [14:40] |
| DicePower: | Of course, no one is under any obligation to grant this request, it's just a request. | [14:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, you had that chance already, no? for what good it did you anyway | [14:42] |
| DicePower: | Well, I don't think the request is arbitrary (though neither of course am I entitled). I'm not, after all, a new player, if one goes by account creation date, and my stat value range research would have been, as I agreed to do, shared with the community on the wiki, so the utility of my endeavor wasn't exclusively mine. | [14:50] |
| DicePower: | As for my personal answer to the "what's in a name[/gender]" question, I simply like to create the same character in multiple game I play. | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | player is one who plays really | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | o look who's back lol | [15:10] |
| DicePower: | :P Heya | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower sadly for your haphazardly implemented plans, there is no more, nor will ever be a manner for players to delete characters. the moral of this story being, that if you think you have an idea about eulora better get cracking, NOW. time waits for no one. | [15:12] |
| DicePower: | aye | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. there's no crashes or other technical reasons known to remove the feature ; purely a game design choice. | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | where is BingoBoingo to offer a sorry for your loss! | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | pc customization (broadly not yet implemented) will follow the sexual path -- name your sons etc. | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower> granted, I'm probably the only player who would be affected by it to such an extreme degree. << in fact pretty much everyone was affected by multiple changes to date, all of them devastating. | [15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | me, diana_coman danielpbarron and everyone else are on the record being utterly devastated, and in the most econoimical sense of the term, by various changes. | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't know about them because well, not playing. | [15:15] |
| shinohai: | Trust me, dragging stacks of whatever resource back manually now is equally devastating (to me) | [15:19] |
| shinohai: | But, such is Eulora to throw wrench in cogs from time to time | [15:19] |
| shinohai: | Keeps it interesting. | [15:19] |
| DicePower: | Are you willing to manually wipe my character once, and allow me to create my own character, as most players here have done, or is being grandfathered in this way on the basis of my account age/research path not a possibility? | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | well everyone's grandfathered in with their current. | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | do not despair, at some point you'll marry it off make a baby or ten | [15:22] |
| DicePower: | I was assigned a random character, as new players are. | [15:23] |
| DicePower: | As diana_coman suggested, it's certainly legitimate to label me a new player, and in many senses I certain am, but I think we also understand that I'm in a unique position and have put a lot of time and effort into the game. | [15:28] |
| DicePower: | So it would be cool if I could create my own character, thought of course, I'd understand if this is impossible. | [15:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, everyone puts as much time as they feel like into the game and get in exchange whatever they get. that part is their responsibility. | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | but otherwise -- if you had a character, you kept it. if you didn't have one, it was created. did you have or not have one ? | [15:30] |
| DicePower: | I had gone through dozens of create -> delete -> create cycles in debugging. I couldn't say whether in the end I had a character created or not. | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. well. | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | My automatically generated character's name sounds like a porn star's. << ahaha what's it called ? | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower ^ | [15:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (41h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [15:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [15:34] |
| DicePower: | Baldwin Lushdrizzle | [15:38] |
| DicePower: | mircea_popescu: Baldwin Lushdrizzle | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha that's epic. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya i saw in teh log. | [15:39] |
| DicePower: | And it's a male character | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | superb. | [15:40] |
| hanbot: | lmao | [15:40] |
| shinohai: | :D | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know how names go, DicePower ; kinda like sex. one gotta learn to put up with what lyf gives them | [15:41] |
| shinohai: | Plox to pay diana_coman 1 BTC for permanent name change. | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | what;'s she gonna make it, Candy Sweettoots ? | [15:42] |
| shinohai: | (and it could be worse, mighta been ) | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, cum isnt in there. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | besides i think lushdrizzle is moar scandalous as it is. | [15:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (40h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [16:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd diana_coman | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | finally finished. | [18:25] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (38h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [18:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman now ? | [22:32] |
| lobbesbot: | A#160 O=11mn HB=11mn E=11-10 14:05:47 (34h30) >>> 12k Slag q 90 | [22:34] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 11mn total bids --- | [22:34] |
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