| lobbes: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-11.log.html#t23:37:47 << okay, auction list logic has been updated to not be so annoying. They way I wrote it before was rather insane on reflection. | [02:26] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-11 23:37:47: <lobbes> http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-11.log.html#t22:56:49 << yeah alright, this current 'when to list' logic sux. I just thought of a much better way to do it, though it'll have to wait until after this weekend to implement as I'll be mobile until then | [02:26] |
| lobbes: | *The way | [02:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [02:35] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, this remark will finish tomorrow. so much for taking advantage of no server reset | [03:18] |
| danielpbarron: | today rather, being after midnight | [03:18] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you around for trade? | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I did build remarks before, not really a time-problem there; I would think more about high value cons clicks perhaps | [04:13] |
| Top8: | Yay , here i go again. | [06:02] |
| Top8: | I have been trying to use the bits that diana_coman generously gave me. With the basic "tiny boulder enumeration" i get "tiny boulder bundle". | [06:03] |
| Top8: | As english is not my first language, does this means something like: "With Tiny Boulder Enumeration recipe you can transform a little bit of nothing into a small amount of rocks"? | [06:04] |
| Top8: | and the fabled Stick that appears when i "explore" is lets say the "vein" in which i can "work" to "craft" (as in mine) materials? | [06:04] |
| Top8: | And that is my morning question. Will be back after getting my boy from school ^_^ Thanks in advance. | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, the bundle will become boulders when the building finishes, yes; you pretty much got it, just that each claim ("stick") can be built (used) only *once* | [07:46] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, can trade now? | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | can. | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 16 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.8 | [08:05] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 16 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.8 = 2764523.5200000005 | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | oh, meanwhile a bit more grass, lol | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | 18 stacks | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 18 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.8 | [08:06] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 18 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.8 = 3110088.96 | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 16 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.85 | [08:06] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 16 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.85 = 2841315.8400000003 | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 18 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.85 | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh 1.85 it was | [08:06] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 18 * 9999 * .16 * 60 * 1.85 = 3196480.3200000003 | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | thanks. | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | finishing up this batch of ibs, then will put it in prod. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | the sb can still wait I guess, seeing how demand for woa is high so probably best to make more of it in one go | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | funny how this works: demand for woa is high, but supply for sb is..non-existent | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | still gotta make bct, cc, qf, but getting there. ppb too, obviously. how's the sb ? | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | it's ongoing basically, aka still gathering it, I didn't get around to mix it - should be another couple of stacks I'd say by now, at least when mixed | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | heh, the flagons want wpl meaning the wpl I sold you some time ago, isn't it? lel | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | afaik ~all the wpl i have i either mined or bought from you. | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2015-2017, rancho foxy. | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, quite | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | I actually have more grass too, just didn't yet get around to mix it; at those quantities even that can take a while | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | so it was 18 stacks now + 16 last time + 11 before,that's 45, not bad | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | certainly didn't leave me much time to craft other stuff. | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman anyway, the market is getting pretty stupid. demand for woa is nominally high, but i dobut it exist ; demand for cft appeared immense, then it didn't exist. the whole system of quota allocations is fundamentally broken in that the reason market even exists in the first place is to help people optimize resource allocation rather than having to engage in the "oh, but i put up the sb, or but i put up the that, i shoul | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | d get this i should get that". yet nobody wants to use it, because obviously once it's on the market suddenly everyone's "cautious" or w/e the fuck it's called. | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno what to do about it, quite frankly. | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'm not sure the market actually...exists in game as such; it isn't really about "but I put up x or y" - it's simply that they feed into one another to such degree that one is then better off NOT selling it if not able to get back the resulting product | [08:21] |
| diana_coman: | efficiency re costs is nice and fine but gets punched in the nose by scarcity I guess | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect the problem is a lot deeper. you don't powerwash a century of socialism + the benefits of socialization in a year. this whole thing of "i expect to solve my problems through the use of money" thing is just not there. | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | and that's pretty much the substance of capitalism, as opposed to "through talking them out" or "through prayer" or whatever alternative responses seen in history. | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman scarcity is entirely manufactured, here, what;s so scarce naturally about basics ? | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | not about basics; about cft needed to get basics! | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | if I sell you all grass and get no cft | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | then I'm fucked | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | no more grass | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | simple | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, but i'm selling it back anyway. not like i want to use it. | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | moreover: if I sell you all grass and then have to buy cft at a price that is too high then I'm better off making cft myself and selling it | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but to someone else so ^ | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | not how it worked, in practice. | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | and with woa look here: I don't mind AT ALL selling tons of sb to make woa for everbody who wants it, sure, what's the problem: I sell MORE sb, good; BUT if I don't get ANY woa then I can't start the numina market which is actually even more profitable; moreover I'm prolly better off getting something other than sb which is a pain | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is i suppose a fine restatement of the problem in alt terms : the expectation ~never meets the reality. this gap is then definitionally braindamage, or ideology, or however you call the difference between what people think is and what actually is. | [08:27] |
| diana_coman: | well, in practice there was no demand for cft so that was not an issue, but initially it seemed to be precisely that | [08:27] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this is not the frist time. | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | even not counting the "buy package for x, sell components for x/2" faux market problem, pretty much every item to date of any note was "omg huge demand -- wait, what ?" | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lbn, you name it. | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | the cgd-cft binome we got going is by far the largest such trade in history, 45 stacks wut. | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | myeah; and we got it going basically when I finally got some noobs going, be they bots if people was such a tall order | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I'm no expert and all that but essentially I don't think there is a market, simply because there aren't...merchants basically or industrialists or how you want to call them around | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah. once there was reliable production (of grass, via bots, of cft, cuz i did it) then suddenly prices dropped to ~half what "they seemed to be" and nobody had anything substantial to say about it, showing that, again, the say wasn't worth much in the first place. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman possibly. | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | precisely; and yes, it all reminds me very pointedly of the village "shop": does anyone in the village actually have a say on the prices or even produce there? theoretically yes, in practice they will talk, sure, all of it nonsense and they might even be the first ones to be surprised if anyone pays attention to that talk | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose what we got basically are rural economies, and if franz joseph hadn't done transylvania the honor of banishing the vlasini and forcing peasants to pay money, the peasant society would have happily traded wood and wool for grain and so forth until the termic death of the universe. | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically eulora economy is suffering from combat not being implemented. | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, pretty much it would seem, yeah | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then dorks and "our democracy" whine about the un-necessity of war. and so forth. | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | schmucks, if it weren't for the evil "warmongers" they'd still be rubbing sticks together, as happy as the nude iroquis. | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | well, they WOULD be happy | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, the happiness of the pregnant if barefot female. | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | "but the mud between toes feels so good!" | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: it really feels good for some people, what | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman the problem comes back to headcount, because the fundamental way in which war works is by killing people, which is the statal equuvalent of breaking fingers. | [08:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | or the blobs of existence present in eulora aren't yet differentialed enough to have recognizable fingers. | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose you're leading the way there, with your children. logically you'd be the zerg queen of eulora. | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, indeed | [08:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm guessing i'll make you the spider woman thing eventually. | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | technically they are not even noobs anymore, at least those 2 that have been working | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, it's in all the rpgs, this enemy with six legs. diablo 2 called it "duriel" ebcause idiots, but generally it's arachne | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | calling them noobs when they have 130+ rank in at least one skill is a bit ahem | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite, lol | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | did any of the human noobs ever manage > 100 ? | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe that bizarre alikim fellow, i guess. | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | not that I know of, no; | [08:39] |
| diana_coman: | hm, maybe | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | now im curious, lessee | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | highest 106 yep | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, how's it going with that toon you made? did you get it imported/running in that little cally thing? | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, do you still have/make basic tools? with that mountain of grass + sb noobs started really eating up the pile of tools too | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | and they got faster at it anyway, lol | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | no slag atm. | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | so in fact sb might have to be parked and I send them after sr+f? | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i might make some imps. unless you specifically want the basics ? | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, I'd have to recalc and test anyway - no idea if it's any better or worse for them | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, i guess after i finish this grass ima make some slag and then make some imps and we see. | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-16.log.html#t10:04:53 << pretty much, yes. the plan is for larger finds to be actually buildable, as in, make a mine building on them, can allow other players to go inside etc. but not yet implemented all that. | [10:03] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-16 10:04:53: <Top8> and the fabled Stick that appears when i "explore" is lets say the "vein" in which i can "work" to "craft" (as in mine) materials? | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-16.log.html#t12:28:35 << thinking more about it, it seems to me evident that there's two components of demand : commodity and strategic. | [10:09] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-16 12:28:35: <mircea_popescu> lbn, you name it. | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | commodity demand works like buying electricity works, i don't pre-buy wtf. strategic demand works like meat in socialism, buy today for it's better to have it rot in your fridge than to not have bought all you could. | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | these are very strictly separate -- a habit of interacting with highly specialized, muchly refined commodity markets make people regard even 1\% slack as excessive ; meanwhile the sheer panic induced by the obvious doom of the socialist system makes strategic buying fundamentally cataclysmic, quite like the rotting meat thing. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | because the phase transition between these two modes is so ample, the gap so wide, things appear to be in demand strictly when not available. | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | "yes i want x, but now that i can buy it i only want an hour's worth. had it not been available i'd have wanted a lifetime's worth" | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | basically it's more: I want x to BE AVAILABLE rather than I want x | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems to explain the "ghost demand" problem entirely -- i can't live without shoes, but i am not buying more shoes than a pair if i can buy them. i do want 50 i mean 500 i mean just give me the whole truck if i can't buy them, however. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman just about. | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | essentially, "i am not a person, i do not wish to exist, therefore i have nothing to say about myself. as far as the world is concerned, however, here's a list of oughts." | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | goes straight into "just the facts"-ism, and all that. i suddenly understand what they're trying to say by "not being egotistical"/"being empathetic" or whatever the fuck they call the contemporary anglovirtues. | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's basically -- nonexistence. | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | tbh some years ago I think I blurted the "just the facts dammit" thing myself: MY meaning at that point was "you idiots have nothing to say so stop saying it and just let the facts speak for themselves" | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | might not be the same meaning for everyone, granted | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | except idiots can't access facts much like ghosts can't move furniture. | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | as that spooky kid aptly put it (in the sixth sense), "they only see what they want to see." | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, I hadn't realised I was asking the impossible anyway | [10:16] |
| Top8: | Or what they're capable to, limited tools ^_^ (Hi, i was in camper mode) | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | this eulora thing is like worth more than a lab. | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's camper mode Top8 ? | [10:17] |
| Top8: | reading at you guys ^^ | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, this log is getting almost as good as #trilema | [10:17] |
| Top8: | i arrived seeking answer to my last question and after this last two pages i think i'm more confused... But about life. LOL. | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | lol Top8 , welcome | [10:18] |
| Top8: | Trilema is a great page, yes. I can't recommend it , however , to 95\% of the people that i know. But oh well. | [10:18] |
| Top8: | diana_coman *waves* | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, why can't you? | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: what is stopping you? | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | Top8 i meant the channel. | [10:19] |
| Top8: | d: The lack of minimum knowledge&tech base. And let alone english. In Spain? English? wooo. | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, you speak spanish ? | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | well, you CAN recommend it anyway; what they do with the recommendation is up to them, isn't it? | [10:20] |
| Top8: | M: Oh, i should enter there too. But my time is limited, really. | [10:20] |
| Top8: | I am spanish, yea | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [10:20] |
| Top8: | haha yeah | [10:20] |
| Top8: | I would love to contribute on the market problem in-game, as a fan of EVE and the work some japanese have made with in-game sustainable economies. | [10:21] |
| Top8: | But i still dont know the game well, and 99\% of your abbreviations are beyond my understanding ^_^ | [10:22] |
| Top8: | There is actually a couple of Thesis under work about the topic, in Finland, if i recall well, with some japanese university collab. Pretty intense topic. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like there's any rush. | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, the wiki has some content about the abbreviations anyway | [10:23] |
| Top8: | yeah, thats the best part. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | Top8 well, so point out to them they;'re more than welcome to use eulora. | [10:23] |
| Top8: | diana_coman yeah, but i dont trust myself on devoting such time on this. I will just go a little at a time. As i told you, my time is pretty limited. Im slacking right now, actually. xD | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | slow is fine; as long as you are still moving at least | [10:24] |
| Top8: | mircea_popescu Let's see if this game capitalizes from the demise of Crypto Kingdom. Several nice guys in there. | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | which one is that one ? | [10:25] |
| Top8: | But i like this pre-alpha Minecraft atmosphere | [10:26] |
| Top8: | Risto Pietila's own Dr. Moreau's Island. | [10:26] |
| Top8: | or Lord of The Flies... you got it. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what, eulora was around since before that crap started. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | but hey, people are stupid, why niot waste time with known scammer instead. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | so, in other words, no, i don't expect eulora to capitalize from demise of -scam, if for no other reason then because tardstalk audience self-selected for stupidity / scams long ago. | [10:27] |
| Top8: | ofc, but the idea, even less "visual" was more attractive. Real Estate Speculation + turn based Fantasy RPG , and with crypto! | [10:27] |
| Top8: | They just needed to add AI, IoT , and blockchain and the whole grial of clickbait is on. xD | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | Top8, that's exactly the problem: what users of those games find "attractive" is basically the scam-flavour, lol | [10:28] |
| Top8: | No, but i mean that there are/were some capable users, as in future collaborators in here/ ops, etc. None i have heard of, but if i arrived here, literally anyone can. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [10:29] |
| Top8: | diana_coman yea, the get rich quick is too sweet to pass by. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | just have to get out of their airs for long enough to try. | [10:29] |
| Top8: | Im not a code/crypto expert at all, just setting up the PGP and all was already a test for me. But i guess that after decades of converting all processes to stupid point and click we should make a reversal and start doing some more complex things again. | [10:35] |
| Top8: | Anyway | [10:35] |
| Top8: | gotta run for a coffee, i must go to my store later, have a meeting. | [10:35] |
| Top8: | C u around and thanks for the chat. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite. | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you desperate for cft btw ? or still got ? | [11:29] |
| diana_coman: | I'm running low; not yet desperate, but I bundled the last cft so as long as those bundles last and no more | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, i got 3k made already, hit me up when you need it. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | output ~2.5k / hour seems to be. | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | hm, anyone seen my wheel? | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | got dc for ~half hour, came back and found the tables, not the wheel; this is weird | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see a turning wheel right by you diana_coman | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, so it just doesn't render it for fox?? | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | grrr | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | must be. it's on your head | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | try /pick ing it | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | that's where it should be, lol | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | hm, /pickup complains no target, target is silent so no idea if it worked but pickup still won't work, lol; I'll leave it a while, maybe silly client catches up with the world in the end | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah it's still out there | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | /pickup Turning Wheel needs no target though does it ? | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | well, it says it does! | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | /target Turning Wheel ? | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I did that and no answer so then /pickup Turning Wheel and still complaint, same | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | weird. | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | relog might help tho | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | already did that too, lol | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk. | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough re dc: I had 2 clients on same machine; one got dc the other didn't | [15:16] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, so noob comes dragging table and yeah, he sees foxy's wheel; foxy still does not see it, lmao | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | right, recovered it via noob; so many uses those noobs | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal | [15:38] |
| diana_coman: | ha, foxy got to 400 lapidary | [18:05] |
| Birdman: | another accolade for the fox, wd | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [18:07] |
| Birdman: | korgan continues to beat the ground with his fists in search of treasures | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | not finding much? | [18:07] |
| Birdman: | i find plenty, just discard most of it | [18:08] |
| Birdman: | i pretty much barehand a few hours fill the inventory with smalls then build them with low q bundles | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | ah, underbuilding them essentially? | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | yeah just to stretch out what i have | [18:10] |
| Birdman: | sure im an experienced gatherer, but cant rightly put much value in the bh claims if find | [18:10] |
| Birdman: | iirc the tinies i was finding awhile back were q27 or something around there so not great | [18:11] |
| Birdman: | not sure if that indicates the quality of the smalls and ords i find as well | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, onth the bundle itself is some value going in too | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you around? | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | I have 5 stacks of sb q130 ready | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | grass is funny - need to wait on a shipment of q1 to mix this lot, lol | [18:17] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: Error: "QAuction" is not a valid command. | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yea | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 10 / 1.35 / 370820 | [19:05] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 10 / 1.35 / 370820 = 1.997574944017962E-5 | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qbid 118 10mn | [19:05] |
| Birdman: | !Qauction 1 72 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [19:09] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 119 STARTED by Birdman: 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) Opening: 1 coppers Ending: 2017-05-19 23:09:48 UTC (72 hours) | [19:09] |
| Birdman: | oh, should've qualified them as barehanded claims | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | shit, what's ords worth | [19:11] |
| Birdman: | the enums are ~1.5k bv themselves | [19:11] |
| Birdman: | its a steal at 1000x the price! | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | total ? so like if the blueprint thing holds, like 15k worth of stuff in the ground ? | [19:11] |
| Birdman: | assuming that is the case yes but i know for a fact claims and enum q are different | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [19:12] |
| Birdman: | least on my tinies | [19:12] |
| Birdman: | oh, no not total, each ord enum is ~1.5k bv | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [19:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#119 O=1 HB=No bids E=05-19 23:09:48 (71h47) >>> 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [19:22] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids --- | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 10000000/(1.35*370820*10) | [19:29] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 10000000/(1.35*370820*10) = 1.997574944017962 | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | why are these going for 2x now? | [19:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | wasn't that what they were going for ? | [19:34] |
| Birdman: | 300k is a huge amount these days esp at that quality ya? | [19:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-02.log.html#t00:49:53 | [19:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | last batch sold 183 i guess | [19:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i made stacks upon stacks of cft, i have to replenish them | [19:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | anyone charting eulora commodity prices yet? | [19:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i recall putting feelings up for auction and them selling for 100\% | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | when was this ? | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes lobbes working on it i hear. | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | what came of the whole blender thing ? | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-01-24.log.html#t20:51:11 < ? | [19:45] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-01-24 20:51:11: <danielpbarron> so i was gonna try to auction some TPF but it occurs to me that only one player (Mircea) is interested in buying them. Not a very good negotiating position i'm in here, think i'll be lucky if you'd pay anything over base value for them. My other option is to buy things that use them, and do it myself | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc you ended up buying cons, then. | [19:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i think even the sentiments sold for under 200\% | [19:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: on hold while's i put a linux dev box with graphics card together. | [19:52] |
| ben_vulpes: | there is pressure on that project from multiple fronts, even! | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron yea but link ? | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | the price prolly snapped to 200\% when i made some comment a few months ago about it. | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | holds aren't so good ben_vulpes | [19:55] |
| danielpbarron: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-03-06.log.html#t12:19:25 | [19:55] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-03-06 12:19:25: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 38 has ENDED: 300 TPS q 333 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 1.2mn coppers. Attn: danielpbarron | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | check that out | [19:55] |
| danielpbarron: | 120\% | [19:55] |
| danielpbarron: | for over quality 300 | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. well... i'd have bid more, im pretty sure. | [19:56] |
| danielpbarron: | has several linux dev box with graphics card. 32 gigs ecc ram, can fit with 2 tb ssd hard drives if desired | [19:59] |
| danielpbarron: | that is, 2 x 1 tb drives. the idea i had was to make a mirroring raid | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | not bad. | [20:00] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't tested the raid thing out yet but that'll be used for bitcoin node | [20:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: how's about this: i got as far as compiling all of the legacy blender code into an executeable, and running the executeable on what until now has been an entirely serviceable linux dev box, albeit one without a video card, at which point blender segfaulted on me. i'm now building a linux workstation with video card out of more or less commodity bits to serve this and other projects to rule out | [20:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | shit like weird archs, x11 layers and absent video cards. | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [20:02] |
| lobbesbot: | A#119 O=1 HB=No bids E=05-19 23:09:48 (70h47) >>> 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [20:22] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids --- | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 119 1 | [20:23] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 119: 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) Heard: 1 from danielpbarron Ending: 2017-05-19 23:09:48 UTC (70 hours 46 mins) | [20:23] |
| Birdman: | hows that for starting auctions too expensive! | [21:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | word. | [21:21] |
| lobbesbot: | A#119 O=1 HB=1 E=05-19 23:09:48 (69h47) >>> 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [21:22] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids --- | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wd danielpbarron | [21:43] |
| danielpbarron: | oh heh, the leather? ty | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya, 2.5 | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2.8 even | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | check you out, dominating the month;'s pops between daniel and will | [21:44] |
| danielpbarron: | will isn't me | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | and my 13 put me in the top 10 all time, whoa! | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh it isn't ? is it foxy's ? | [21:45] |
| danielpbarron: | must be | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah cuz you got danielle right | [21:46] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah that one is mine | [21:46] |
| lobbes: | speaking of charting auction prices, I got another question: can I assume that the base value of an item blueprint is the same as the bv of the item? | [22:09] |
| lobbes: | !Qauctionlist 18 | [22:09] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 18: one stack cft bps q 187 Opening: 3.5mn coppers Highest Bid: No bids [Ended] | [22:09] |
| lobbes: | ^^ e.g. would the bv value of the cft sold in this auction still be 180? | [22:09] |
| Birdman: | i think in almost all cases its been 1:10 ratio like that but not for everything, whether thats an error of sorts who knows but its not a 100\% thing i dont think | [22:16] |
| lobbes: | interesting, that'd explain why I kept seeing people multiply by '18' in the logs before bidding on those auctions | [22:18] |
| lobbesbot: | A#119 O=1 HB=1 E=05-19 23:09:48 (68h47) >>> 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [22:22] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids --- | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes nah, about 10\% with exceptions | [22:40] |
| lobbes: | nice, simple enough. ty mircea_popescu, Birdman | [22:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | improved hoe/axe/adze iirc were exceptions | [22:43] |
| lobbesbot: | A#119 O=1 HB=1 E=05-19 23:09:48 (67h47) >>> 2 b 1 sm ordinary claims with respective keys and enumerations (q119) | [23:22] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids --- | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 135.55934011 / 15.09059705 | [23:38] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 135.55934011 / 15.09059705 = 8.983033584479681 | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | eulora economy went up ~900\% from 1st sept 2015 to 1st april 2017. 20 months. | [23:39] |
| Birdman: | is that really high do you think? | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the us takes about a century to grow the same. | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | china took like 20 years. | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | (this is inflation free ; fiats inflated 300\% over the same interval) | [23:45] |
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