| danielpbarron: | no, who's that | [00:12] |
| shinohai: | Singer / Songwriter era ... wrote "Cat's in the cradle" etc | [00:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm familiar with that song | [00:32] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I think we were trading some cft and/or cdg? | [08:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. hit me ? | [08:47] |
| diana_coman: | I'll take the cft; re cdg: are you still taking low q? | [08:48] |
| diana_coman: | what was that? | [08:48] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: what was i paying for that? | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | was it 6.5 ? | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-01.log.html#t18:16:50 << 6.25 | [08:50] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-04-01 18:16:50: <mircea_popescu> diana_coman so do you want 8757 cft q 129 for 6.25 mn ? | [08:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | a nice it reads loglines. | [08:50] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 6.25*180*1.29*8757 | [08:50] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 6.25*180*1.29*8757 = 1.270859625E7 | [08:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahem ? | [08:50] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | im not gonna be charging more \% for teh cft than the grass costs, that much is clear. | [08:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 6.25 / 180 / 1.29 / 8757 | [08:51] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 6.25 / 180 / 1.29 / 8757 = 3.0737069013424667E-6 | [08:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 307\% is maybe tenable, but depends wtf happens with higher q grass | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I had a jaw on the floor moment, lol | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | of which atm i need like 300mn worth. | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, it's iffy all around because: | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | 1. tried with a tool to get a feel for it | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | and tinies are better left alone from what I can tell | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | whyssat ? | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | I get smalls at a reasonable rate BUT the output is in general about 20\% of input considering bundle only as input | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. | [08:53] |
| diana_coman: | because for one thing lbn are not even produced /available/hell-knows-how-much-they-cost and for the other I got even LESS than 20\% | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | how can you get less than 20\%. you get one grass high q neh ? | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | that is one thing; the other is that I'm out of cs and it's unclear what do those go for | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | no | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | you get 0 grass from tiny ? | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | I get one grass middle q at best | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | from like...80 lbn | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q is trhat middle numerically ? | [08:54] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, anything from 33 to 170 I saw | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, i wonder what noobs get from tinies. | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | didn't that Skyanimal get low q? | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | granted he was using 1 single lbn q11 | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | so he might be better off using my bundles | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah. | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose I can give him some job if he's up to it | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | and see how it goes | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | might be worth a try. | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose alternatively i'll just bow down to economic reality and thread q 1 grass, what of it. | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | myeah; there is ALSO the other clear fact that in any case ord still give rather low q | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | or we are too poor to get high q out of ords | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | I think highest I got out of an ord was some q14 | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | with my bundles about 390q | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course i won't be able to sell it as cheap, seeing how less substantial. | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | re tinies: I think I even got more than 1 cdg but below 100q | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh fuck it, ima thread this grass see. gotta do something. | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman were you selling more or ? | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | depending on what you go for, I might be better off making low q thread myself anyway; that's to be seen | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | sure, 1 min to take it out of storage | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman if he's using the lbn i gave him, that was q 620 ftr | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | he used what I gave him and that was q11; maybe yest he used what you gave him, no idea | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | but if he got q1 with lbn q620 ... | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | im making q 17 cft. | [09:00] |
| diana_coman: | ouch indeed | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | can you even use this ? | [09:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i'll want 115 ecu per, which means | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 115 / 180 / .17 | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 115 / 180 / .17 | [09:02] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 115 / 180 / .17 = 3.758169934640523 | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 375\% isn't actually that terribru is it diana_coman ? | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 4*60*0.02*(9999*4+8226) | [09:04] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 4*60*0.02*(9999*4+8226) = 231465.6 | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | such useless hay | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, hm, 375\% for q17 cft? | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-03-07.log.html#t15:10:34 | [09:06] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-03-07 15:10:34: <mircea_popescu> basically cft can go for 115\%, and even paying 1k\% for cft bps and 700\% for grass she'd still clear 60mn / month. | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | remember that? | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | somehow, something doesn't quite add up | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | I used higher q bp there | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-03-07.log.html#t13:59:52 | [09:07] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-03-07 13:59:52: <diana_coman> which means that low q grass is for me waaay more profitable made into cft than sold at anything less than some ...700\% | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | oooh i fucked up the math. lemme redo. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. divided only haldf the sum. mkay. now we're talking. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 55 / 180 / .17 | [09:08] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 55 / 180 / .17 = 1.7973856209150327 | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i can sell it at 180! | [09:08] |
| diana_coman: | that's like...half what you were saying, lol | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda even cheaper than it used to go pre-update, huh | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | poor spirover will have to take lessons :))) | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah, i was calculating as if using 30 grass per single thread sorta thing | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | a-ha | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, this shit is confusing. | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | AND it keeps changing | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, fuck it, ima make some q 17 cft, what can one do. if it doesn't sell i'll just hold on to it. | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | lemme see, I had: input 22 cdg q3 + bp 201q -> 6 cft 31q hm | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | try q 1 sometime ;/ | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 6*0.31*180 | [09:11] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 6*0.31*180 = 334.79999999999995 | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 22*60*0.03*4+2.01*18*10 | [09:11] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 22*60*0.03*4+2.01*18*10 = 520.1999999999999 | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahem. | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | well, I've put in current markups sort of thing | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. basically -- way cheaper to buy that to make. | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other good news, this is hella fast. i'm projecting ~7k cft / hour over here. | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | one needs to calculate, yo! | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, low q IS fast | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | the only sort of trouble is that low q cft kind of means ...lower q output from smalls too, lol | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe part of the problem is eulorans trying to fight the eulora rather than play along. | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | happily not really q1 now or some shit | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: still above 150 generally | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | but still | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i am using q 1 anyway. what can possibly go worse. | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, you are using q 1 but that is from ords; if smalls also give only low q , it's like no supply of high q at all | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | tough. im still making cft. | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, fighting reality is usually the underlying cause of getting all bruised up, lol | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup lol | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's ridiculous in retrospect, "oh i have a million grass and i need therefore A BILLION UNOBTAINABLE SHIT before i can make fuckinfg cft" | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf nonsense. | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | no, no, it's called standards! :D | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | "but mp, sez mp, this is SUBOPTIMAL!!!" | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | "so is urmom", answers mp to mp | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | I will NOT soil my bot with q 1 grass says mp :)) | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | stai putin, tu sugerezi aici ca io fac bot ?! | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | a, tu mananci acolo iarba? | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | bun atunci | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaanyway. seems the new standard is q 17 cft. let the resettling of mining qualities begin. | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | lol; how's the supply of cft bps? | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well part of the good news is that it got caritas'd with the update. so we see. | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | but actually wait: so I had there input 520 for 6 cft q 31; on the other hand, to buy 6 cft q31 it would cost me.. 602! | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 6*0.31*180*1.8 | [09:20] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 6*0.31*180*1.8 = 602.64 | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, did I mess up something there? | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't know you can buy 6 cft q 31. all i got is 17. | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | lol, kk | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, any cs? | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 6*0.31*180*1.8 | [09:24] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 6*0.31*180*1.8 = 602.64 | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeha you compared bv cft with market valued precursors. | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | and no cs, i need ppb which i dun have and etc | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | ah, right, in the first thing, I did not add any markup to cft, right | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it seems you'd actually be better off making it ? this makes no sense. | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | this is totally confusing | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, i see... it's q 3 grass. doh. you ease pressure on bp that way see. | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | well, q3 grass is perfectly available really | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme redo my maffs then | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | so I think it might be worth finding something other than either q1 or q150, lol | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd like 75 ecu per and the per would likely be... q32. ahem. | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 450 if you buy it from me. | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright so i guess... using it on q1 is a waste, should make q3 then ? | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | seems so | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | would have been nice to know before making 3k of the other ;/ | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | iirc I got to that q32 because it was kind of lowest that was still reasonably ok to use pretty much | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | so don't rush!! | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | or q33 whatevs | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | 31! | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman what rushj, i've been sitting on this for weeks | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | but with nobody actually selloing any fucking grass and 0 meaningful input from you i can't make decisions. | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | what grass q can you actually provide ? 5 ? 3 ? 19 ? gimme something i can use. | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | whaaat? who the fuck was NOT selling grass? you were too busy for any trades iirc | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | up to 10q should be doable | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i meant on auction | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | so should i then wait for q 10 ? | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect q 50-60 cft from q 10 grass. | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | *up to* ; I'm fine buying that q 32 | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | so far all i got is 17 | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | and no auction because auction sucks | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | whay sucks! | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | because wwb went for something below 200\% !!! | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | and sb | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | but anyway, without cs I'll have no choice but to patch the bot first I suppose if I am to play at all atm since really no time to run around building manually small claims wtf | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite well, cft production again suspended till i can get meaningful data | [09:38] |
| hanbot: | is buying any & all supplications, inquire loudly | [12:48] |
| shinohai: | wonders what one can do if if they are only capable of quiet inquiry .... | [12:53] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, I still have those 41 supps of berries q138 and 41 supps of mosses q138 | [14:09] |
| diana_coman: | qabv is 4002 (berries) and 4008 (moss) according to Heina | [14:10] |
| Skydragon: | Hi there! I'm awake now lol | [14:21] |
| Skydragon: | Anyone else awake lol | [14:33] |
| diana_coman: | hi Skydragon | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, do you want to do a few jobs for me? | [14:40] |
| diana_coman: | he must have fallen back asleep | [14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah he's in game | [14:44] |
| Skydragon: | Ah sorry lol | [14:46] |
| Skydragon: | A few multi-tasking for me. | [14:46] |
| Skydragon: | So it's just takes a little bit for me to respond | [14:46] |
| Skydragon: | But sure i'll help you out Diana | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, I'm at -230 53 -131; it's more help to you than me | [14:46] |
| Skydragon: | Let's see, how to check cords, i think it's /cords | [14:47] |
| Skydragon: | Hmm nope that wasn't it | [14:48] |
| Skydragon: | How do i check the cords to get too you lol | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | /pos | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | and /pilot | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | might want to make notes or at least learn to search in the log | [14:49] |
| Skydragon: | Will do! | [14:50] |
| Skydragon: | Hmm.. /pilot and "cords" together made it just say foxy's autopilot done | [14:52] |
| Skydragon: | Not moving me any where | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, there is a help even | [14:52] |
| shinohai: | Skydragon: you can also add those commands to a shortcut button by editing ~/.Eulora/options/shortcutcommands_<yourusername>.xml | [14:52] |
| Skydragon: | Ah okay thanks! | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | and looky here: http://logs.minigame.bz/search?q=pilot | [14:53] |
| Skydragon: | oh it only points to the right direction | [14:54] |
| Skydragon: | I thought it actually ran to the postion you entred | [14:54] |
| Skydragon: | I am the postion now, but i dont see you | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I see you | [14:56] |
| Skydragon: | nvm lol | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | really you don't see foxy there? | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [14:56] |
| Skydragon: | it was just my rezz of objects coming up | [14:56] |
| Skydragon: | I needed to be closer | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, I'll give you keys, enumerations and bundles; unlock and build those claims with *those bundles and those enumerations* and bring the output back to me; I'll pay you copper for it; works? | [14:57] |
| Skydragon: | Sure i will do that. | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | accept this and there is more | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, pass me back the wpl tiny enum as it seems I haven't made the bundle yet, lol | [15:01] |
| Skydragon: | Ah okay will do | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | so move there to trade window | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | just the leather, lol | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | there you go, you should now have everything | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | the claims are all around here, not far at all | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | ping me when it's done, ok? | [15:02] |
| Skydragon: | Will do! | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | cool, good luck | [15:03] |
| Skydragon: | Also do you want me to meet you at town or up here | [15:09] |
| Skydragon: | Oh you didn't give me the leather ennumeration | [15:10] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, I'm down the hill, come and trade me | [15:15] |
| Skydragon: | okay | [15:15] |
| Skydragon: | I'm done, i meet you at town? | [15:27] |
| Skydragon: | Diana? | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, yes | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | but "ping me" means use my full name so I get a notification as in: "diana_coman I'm done!" | [15:34] |
| Skydragon: | Ah | [15:37] |
| Skydragon: | !ping Diana_coman i am at the town now | [15:56] |
| Skydragon: | Just look down south from the town and you see me pretty close | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | ok, so trade me Skydragon | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you don't have a table, huh | [15:57] |
| Skydragon: | Nope | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 0.01*(116*79+804*152+308*384+2256*159) | [16:00] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 0.01*(116*79+804*152+308*384+2256*159) = 6083.4800000000005 | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 2.34*11*(30+79+3*28+34) + 6*100 | [16:01] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 2.34*11*(30+79+3*28+34) + 6*100 = 6442.98 | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, get a look at that ^ | [16:01] |
| Skydragon: | Cool | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | what is cool Skydragon ? | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | and why? lol | [16:02] |
| Skydragon: | The calc thing in irc | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | ah, that it is, yes | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | here's your 10\% | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, do you still have a tool? | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman whassat ? | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | above it's what the noob got from some tinies of mine | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | I've put in 6442 bv and he got out 6k bv | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | all of it q1 I might add | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | in fairness they were all non-basics because apparently foxy + tool -> non-basic nao | [16:04] |
| Skydragon: | Gonna do a lot more work to get those skill books lol | [16:05] |
| Skydragon: | I mean need to lol | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | obv, it's not clear what markup lbn actually has, but anyways | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | Skydragon, do you still have a tool? | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | I'm trying to figure out some way to make you useful here; it's atm testing mainly | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | if you still have a tool, go and get some 20 claims but do NOT build them yet; bring the enums to me, I'll make + give you bundles and we see what that yields; you still get something from it | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose you really need a table to start with, anyway | [16:07] |
| Skydragon: | Welp eulora crashed one sec | [16:07] |
| Skydragon: | Yes i have 4 tools on me right now | [16:08] |
| Skydragon: | 1 is 1,3k left and the 3 together is 5.2k left | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | ok, go and get 20 claims | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | don't forget to lock them | [16:09] |
| Skydragon: | Will do | [16:09] |
| Skydragon: | So what do you want me to get then of materials? | [16:09] |
| Skydragon: | Where you want me to go extacly lol | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't matter much; just not right in town, lol | [16:11] |
| Skydragon: | Hmm okay | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect you'll get basics anyway pretty much anywhere | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | if you really need a landmark, go there close to that lean-to | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | I think you'll get flotsam there | [16:11] |
| Skydragon: | Okay i will try there | [16:12] |
| Skydragon: | Im done | [16:59] |
| Skydragon: | Soo Daniel? | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | hm | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 0.25*1475*180 + 1.41*537*11 + 1948*38 | [17:12] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 0.25*1475*180 + 1.41*537*11 + 1948*38 = 148727.87 | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | this craft i'm doing is almost done and then i can pull some skill items out of storage | [17:13] |
| Skydragon: | Cool,cool | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | do you have a craft table? | [17:16] |
| Skydragon: | Nope i do not | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | do you have stuff in your storage? | [17:17] |
| danielpbarron: | or i guess i should put a claim in town and give you the key so you can use that to drop stuff off | [17:18] |
| Skydragon: | Yeah i have 9999 soild branch and 475 crumbly rock, 817 bird nest | [17:18] |
| Skydragon: | in storage right now | [17:19] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 2.62*104*1000 - 4.90*21005 - 6.01*2100 - 2352 | [17:27] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 2.62*104*1000 - 4.90*21005 - 6.01*2100 - 2352 = 154582.5 | [17:27] |
| Skydragon: | Done with the crafting? | [17:28] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [17:28] |
| Skydragon: | Cool | [17:29] |
| danielpbarron: | hm, i don't have a gathering skill item for you | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | building is no problem | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe i'll have you follow me around while i gather claims and then have you build them | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | until i can get you a gathering skill item | [17:32] |
| Skydragon: | Sure | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i have a mysterious rock quality 100 that's only 17k base value | [17:41] |
| danielpbarron: | so it shouldn't take too long for you to pay that off | [17:41] |
| Skydragon: | Oh cool. | [17:42] |
| Skydragon: | Well let me work right away then? | [17:43] |
| Skydragon: | I just need to brb quick okay | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | yep i'm ready | [17:43] |
| Skydragon: | Gonna get a drink | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [17:43] |
| Skydragon: | Brb quick! lol | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | and i guess we should hit some sort of grass spot | [17:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i have pickaxes to grind down so i'll try to find a grass spot with mining overlap | [17:44] |
| danielpbarron: | pulls up his handy dandy map | [17:45] |
| Skydragon: | Back sorry for the wait | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | trade | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | accept | [17:49] |
| danielpbarron: | click that item and drop it on your character in your inventory | [17:49] |
| danielpbarron: | or type /use a mysterious rock | [17:49] |
| Skydragon: | oh okay | [17:49] |
| danielpbarron: | then right click the blocky fellow and click the icon in the top right that says train | [17:50] |
| danielpbarron: | click the utility tab | [17:50] |
| danielpbarron: | and you should now see a skill called building | [17:50] |
| danielpbarron: | what color is the bar? | [17:50] |
| danielpbarron: | green/red or yellow/red ? | [17:51] |
| Skydragon: | Done | [17:51] |
| Skydragon: | it's green and red now | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so that means you do not need to train yet | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | when you get enough practice points, you'll see a message in the chat box saying you "ranked up in building" | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | and that means you need to go back to Heina (the blocky person) and train | [17:52] |
| Skydragon: | oh okay! | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | you'll see that the bar is yellow | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | and you'll want to train 100\% | [17:52] |
| Skydragon: | Will do | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | which costs money | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll give you some money too | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | 10k for now | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | see how many ranks that gets you | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | ok follow me | [17:53] |
| Skydragon: | Thank you and should get me plenty | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | heh well it costs me over 100k to pay for a rank | [17:53] |
| danielpbarron: | ok this spot right near town is supposed to have something mining | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | and you'll need to go back to train often at first | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | so this should be good | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | exploring now | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | it takes like 20 seconds for me with a basic tool | [17:54] |
| danielpbarron: | lol! | [17:55] |
| Skydragon: | Ah i see | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | ordinary flotsam! | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | wtf | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | ok that went.. better than expected except it doesn't do much for you lol | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | will lock and move on | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | if you build an ordinary you'll just waste exp | [17:55] |
| Skydragon: | Oh i see | [17:56] |
| danielpbarron: | we'll get to that later, i have plenty of ords saved up | [17:56] |
| danielpbarron: | here we go | [17:56] |
| danielpbarron: | ok i put the bundle and enum in there | [17:57] |
| danielpbarron: | put the ennumeration in your mind and click use or whatever | [17:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i think you've done this part before | [17:57] |
| Skydragon: | Yup i done it before | [17:57] |
| danielpbarron: | if that ranks you up instantly then maybe i'll have you make the bundle yourself untill it doesn't waste exp anymore | [17:57] |
| danielpbarron: | done? | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | did you rank up? | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | press 'p' to open the skill window | [17:58] |
| Skydragon: | Yup i did | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | and see if it's yellow now | [17:58] |
| Skydragon: | already trained it | [17:59] |
| danielpbarron: | ah, and you trained already? | [17:59] |
| Skydragon: | to 100\% | [17:59] |
| Skydragon: | yup | [17:59] |
| danielpbarron: | what did it cost? | [17:59] |
| danielpbarron: | how much money do you have now | [17:59] |
| danielpbarron: | might have to open and close your inventory to make it refresh | [17:59] |
| Skydragon: | 2 copper | [17:59] |
| danielpbarron: | lol i hope not | [17:59] |
| Skydragon: | it did cost 2 copper | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | ohhh | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | oh cool | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | alright | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | so i'll have you use the bits raw this time and see how much exp that gets you | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | where did the flotsam go? | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | leave the result of the build in the claim for now | [18:01] |
| Skydragon: | Ah i have it on me | [18:01] |
| Skydragon: | lemme give you it | [18:01] |
| Skydragon: | Ah okay sorry | [18:01] |
| Skydragon: | come to me | [18:01] |
| Skydragon: | both floatsam is in here | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | making another claim | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | did it rank you up this time? | [18:02] |
| Skydragon: | ranked up again by just doing that once | [18:02] |
| Skydragon: | yeah | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | ah ok so we'll keep doing it like that till it takes you many builds to rank up | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | how many bits does it use? | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | as you rank up it'll eventually want more bits | [18:03] |
| Skydragon: | 1 ? | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [18:03] |
| Skydragon: | oh bits | [18:03] |
| Skydragon: | but yeah 1 | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | the min bits i can use is 29 | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | so i guess we'll want to get to where it takes you ~25 builds per rank up | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | before i make the bundles | [18:03] |
| Skydragon: | ah | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | what's your rank now? | [18:04] |
| Skydragon: | lemme check | [18:05] |
| Skydragon: | its 3 | [18:05] |
| Skydragon: | need to do one more to rank up | [18:05] |
| Skydragon: | which is this one | [18:05] |
| danielpbarron: | hm, i changed my mind, go ahead and take the results from the build into your inventory | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | just don't put them in storage | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll take them from you when you get overweight | [18:06] |
| Skydragon: | i didn't | [18:06] |
| Skydragon: | i left them in the claim as you told me to do | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i think what i'll do is put the ennum outside the claim so we can see which ones need to be built | [18:08] |
| danielpbarron: | and then you take the results out and give them to me later | [18:08] |
| Skydragon: | oh okay | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i found a small spicy moss, locked for later | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | no use having you build that when my tiny bundle is too much for you | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | let me know if you start to get an output over 1 quality | [18:10] |
| danielpbarron: | will be interesting to know at what rank that happened | [18:10] |
| Skydragon: | will do | [18:11] |
| danielpbarron: | when you get high enough rank where ordinaries don't waste exp, i have a lot of work you can do without me micromanaging | [18:12] |
| Skydragon: | Nice | [18:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | danielpbarron: what does it mean in eulora to waste experience? | [18:13] |
| danielpbarron: | the most you can rank up without paying for training is 2 | [18:14] |
| Skydragon: | cant pick up item that is guarded by someone else | [18:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ah i didn't move far enough away | [18:14] |
| Skydragon: | oh | [18:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ben_vulpes, if you do a click that brings your skill bar from the lowest to the highest | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | that doesn't mean you defo wasted, but it's hard to know if you did | [18:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | aaaaaaah | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | as opposed to a click that brings it from some amount to another amount within the range, you can clearly see nothing was wasted | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | Skydragon, i don't know | [18:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | danielpbarron: so then you pay to move from 2 to 3, and then can skill further within three? | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | it's based on the value of the output i'm pretty sure | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | which roughly corelates to the value of the input | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | so we can estimate where it'll make sense to build an ordinary based on the value of the bundles you use on tinies and smalls | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | oo deserted crab shell! | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | that's what i saw on my map | [18:17] |
| Skydragon: | I'm rank level 6 now | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | that's a good find | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | how many builds per rank up now? | [18:17] |
| Skydragon: | Hmm like 4-5 | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | when it's around 25 i'll start making the bundle for you | [18:18] |
| Skydragon: | okay | [18:18] |
| Skydragon: | welp guarded | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | there's another somehwere | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | guess i can start to wander further from town now | [18:20] |
| Skydragon: | Hmm this one bugged somehow | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | might be the wrong stick i put it on | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | try the one next to it | [18:21] |
| Skydragon: | its a bundle with no icon on it | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | lemme see this! | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | wait have you been leaving the stuff in the claims? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | weird, tiny bird's next bundle has no image? | [18:22] |
| Skydragon: | yeah? | [18:22] |
| Skydragon: | yup its weird lol | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | go pick all of them up please | [18:22] |
| Skydragon: | will do | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah that's weird, didn't you do a tiny bird's next already? | [18:22] |
| Skydragon: | hmm yeah i did | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | and it had an icon then? | [18:27] |
| Skydragon: | only the scroll | [18:27] |
| Skydragon: | but not the bundle | [18:28] |
| danielpbarron: | what's your rank? | [18:28] |
| Skydragon: | says something that target is not a claim blah blah | [18:29] |
| Skydragon: | its 7 | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i think that means the claim is used already | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm gonna gather by the tent near town | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | should be more shells here | [18:30] |
| Skydragon: | I'm overweight now | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | ah lemme come get it | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | show me what you got | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | oh huh quality 3, 8 | [18:33] |
| Skydragon: | yup | [18:34] |
| Skydragon: | rank level 8 atm | [18:42] |
| danielpbarron: | it's just 'rank' | [18:42] |
| danielpbarron: | is the bar at its lowest? | [18:43] |
| Skydragon: | rank 8 then lol | [18:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll have you try one of my bundles and see what happens | [18:43] |
| Skydragon: | nope it's close to rank 9 | [18:43] |
| danielpbarron: | ok rank up first | [18:43] |
| Skydragon: | lol i got a small claim with just doing it with my hands | [18:46] |
| Skydragon: | nvm i had tool on me derp | [18:47] |
| danielpbarron: | sorry | [18:50] |
| danielpbarron: | was working on something | [18:50] |
| Skydragon: | no worries | [18:50] |
| danielpbarron: | trying to get my other char logged in but something went wrong on that machine | [18:50] |
| Skydragon: | hmm weird | [18:50] |
| Skydragon: | So what does build skill help with? | [18:52] |
| danielpbarron: | might have fried a hard drive by plugging the ide cable in the wrong way | [18:54] |
| danielpbarron: | anyway | [18:55] |
| danielpbarron: | building helps with building | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ide has a wrong way ? | [18:56] |
| danielpbarron: | i know right! | [18:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i was like "wtf why did it even let me plug it like that!!" | [18:57] |
| Skydragon: | That's so weird that it let you do that | [18:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm gathering over by the tent again | [18:58] |
| Skydragon: | Ah okay | [18:58] |
| danielpbarron: | see what my bundle does there | [18:59] |
| Skydragon: | yup | [19:01] |
| Skydragon: | and im rank 9 now | [19:01] |
| danielpbarron: | here try this small spicy moss with my bundle | [19:01] |
| danielpbarron: | i have low quality threads | [19:01] |
| danielpbarron: | that might be the better way to go | [19:01] |
| Skydragon: | i get exp from small yeah | [19:02] |
| danielpbarron: | did it rank you up? | [19:02] |
| Skydragon: | almost | [19:02] |
| danielpbarron: | ah cool | [19:02] |
| danielpbarron: | so yeah for now you should use 1 bit on the tinies, and use my bundles on the smalls after you have just ranked up | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so basically got 100\% back ? not bad | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, 9x\% | [19:03] |
| Skydragon: | daniel tiny gives very very little exp now | [19:04] |
| danielpbarron: | well i don't want them going to waste | [19:04] |
| Skydragon: | i know, i keep doing them tho lol | [19:05] |
| danielpbarron: | don't do that small till after you rank up | [19:06] |
| Skydragon: | oh woops | [19:08] |
| danielpbarron: | for whatever reason, an empty exp bar looks halfway full | [19:08] |
| danielpbarron: | after you pay for training, does it look "halfway" or is it somewhere above that? | [19:09] |
| Skydragon: | trade me | [19:09] |
| Skydragon: | im overweight | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you two having fun yet ? :D | [19:10] |
| Skydragon: | lol | [19:11] |
| Skydragon: | overweight again lol | [19:16] |
| danielpbarron: | dang | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron: | oh good, fsck fixed the hard drive | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron: | where did you find boulders? | [19:18] |
| Skydragon: | down from here | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean, i didn't get that claim did i? | [19:18] |
| Skydragon: | i did | [19:19] |
| danielpbarron: | oh | [19:19] |
| Skydragon: | im rank 11 now | [19:20] |
| danielpbarron: | alright i got my other guy in | [19:23] |
| danielpbarron: | if you would, bring stuff to "her" when overweight | [19:23] |
| shinohai: | keks watching danielpbarron recreate my kindergarten session from last year | [19:24] |
| Skydragon: | okay is it kurdur? | [19:25] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [19:25] |
| danielpbarron: | trying to keep the stuff you got me separate | [19:26] |
| danielpbarron: | so i can calculate profit later | [19:26] |
| danielpbarron: | but i don't like leaving things in claims | [19:26] |
| danielpbarron: | i lost a lot of boulders that way | [19:26] |
| danielpbarron: | tell me here when you need to trade with her | [19:26] |
| danielpbarron: | that comp is in another room | [19:26] |
| Skydragon: | oh okay | [19:27] |
| danielpbarron: | btw i'm dropping all the keys. you can grab those later if you want | [19:28] |
| danielpbarron: | not now though as you won't have room for them all | [19:28] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe they turn into bits on the ground and then you can see them real easy | [19:28] |
| danielpbarron: | bits show up as big sacks of loot, whereas keys look literally like keys | [19:29] |
| Skydragon: | i dont think they will with the key decay bug going on | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | almost impossible to see | [19:29] |
| Skydragon: | which have yet to be fixed | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | yeh | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | oo a shell! | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | ok we will use my bundle on this one for sure | [19:29] |
| Skydragon: | Cool | [19:30] |
| danielpbarron: | do it after you have ranked up though | [19:30] |
| danielpbarron: | so you get max exp | [19:30] |
| Skydragon: | okay | [19:30] |
| danielpbarron: | hm, flotsam i think i wanna use my bundle too | [19:31] |
| danielpbarron: | gonna have to start discriminating here | [19:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i want flotsam, don't want moss, do want shells, don't want birds nest, etc | [19:31] |
| Skydragon: | Ah | [19:32] |
| danielpbarron: | crumbly rock you can do | [19:32] |
| danielpbarron: | funny story with crumbly rock. used to be one of the most sought after things | [19:33] |
| Skydragon: | oh? | [19:34] |
| danielpbarron: | now it's super easy to find | [19:34] |
| Skydragon: | oh | [19:35] |
| danielpbarron: | eh go ahead and build all those | [19:38] |
| danielpbarron: | if it doesn't have a bundle, use the bits i gave you | [19:38] |
| danielpbarron: | but most of these things i want to put in as much value as i can | [19:38] |
| danielpbarron: | don't forget to rank up | [19:38] |
| Skydragon: | i wont lol | [19:39] |
| Skydragon: | have yet to rank up | [19:39] |
| danielpbarron: | if you are on the verge of rank up, use one of the spicy moss or crumbly rock claims | [19:39] |
| danielpbarron: | and if you have a ways to go, use a claim i put a bundle in | [19:40] |
| danielpbarron: | this is for your benefit too; trying to minimize the time and effort it takes you to rank up | [19:40] |
| Skydragon: | ah i see | [19:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm putting the bundles outside the claim so you can see which is which | [19:45] |
| Skydragon: | okay | [19:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i think what you'll eventually be able to do is: buy locked claims (mostly ords?) from other players, build them, and sell the results in public auction | [19:53] |
| danielpbarron: | since you have some building skill but no gathering | [19:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i think it's a waste for you to use tools | [19:53] |
| danielpbarron: | if you aren't going to be training gathering | [19:53] |
| Skydragon: | yeah i need to get gathering skill | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | could just buy the book | [20:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't have a book to sell | [20:05] |
| Skydragon: | i know, need to wait | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman prolly does, iirc was hers | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i might have one too i;ll have to check | [20:05] |
| Skydragon: | daniel trade me with your alt | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | ah | [20:22] |
| danielpbarron: | try again | [20:22] |
| Skydragon: | accept | [20:25] |
| Skydragon: | ty | [20:25] |
| danielpbarron: | why are you giving me back bundles and enums? | [20:26] |
| Skydragon: | because those claims bugged somehow | [20:31] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 30*1948 + 8*23 + 1.41*23*11 + 0.25*1379*180 + 2*15 + 0.02*50*71 + 0.01*23*59 + 0.04*360*73 + 0.14*467*88 + 0.04*32*87 + 0.06*64*141 + 0.04*152*152 + 0.10*6*547 + 0.06*34*157 + 0.01*184*71 + 0.05*87*73 + 0.13*48*88 + 0.07*16*141 + 0.03*135*152 + 0.11*4*547 + 0.05*233*157 | [21:11] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 30*1948 + 8*23 + 1.41*23*11 + 0.25*1379*180 + 2*15 + 0.02*50*71 + 0.01*23*59 + 0.04*360*73 + 0.14*467*88 + 0.04*32*87 + 0.06*64*141 + 0.04*152*152 + 0.10*6*547 + 0.06*34*157 + 0.01*184*71 + 0.05*87*73 + 0.13*48*88 + 0.07*16*141 + 0.03*135*152 + 0.11*4*547 + 0.05*233*157 = 134020.94000000003 | [21:11] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 148727.87 - 134020.94 | [21:11] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 148727.87 - 134020.94 = 14706.929999999993 | [21:11] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 134020.94/148727.87 | [21:12] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 134020.94/148727.87 = 0.9011151709494664 | [21:12] |
| danielpbarron: | we'll see how the numbers look when he's finished | [21:16] |
| danielpbarron: | as you can see the quality is higher on the things that wanted, and lower on the things i didn't want | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | quality 14 flotsam, quality 5 spicy moss | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's convenient | [21:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron did he do 90\% bv returns then ? | [21:31] |
| danielpbarron: | looks like it | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | license to print moneyz #2, buy cft for 180\%, turn 90\% of it into grass worth 400\% | [21:33] |
| Skydragon: | trade me | [21:34] |
| danielpbarron: | trade my main guy | [21:35] |
| Skydragon: | traded you | [21:36] |
| danielpbarron: | woops | [21:38] |
| danielpbarron: | try again | [21:38] |
| Skydragon: | traded again lol | [21:38] |
| Skydragon: | That's all | [21:40] |
| Skydragon: | i'm rank 17 | [21:40] |
| danielpbarron: | cool | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | that's all for me for tonight, i gotta make dinner and stuff | [21:41] |
| Skydragon: | I need to sleep because it's 03:41 in the morning lol | [21:42] |
| danielpbarron: | !~calc 30*1948 + 8*23 + 1.41*23*11 + 0.25*1379*180 + 2*15 + 0.02*50*71 + 0.01*23*59 + 0.04*360*73 + 0.14*467*88 + 0.04*32*87 + 0.06*64*141 + 0.04*152*152 + 0.10*6*547 + 0.06*34*157 + 0.01*184*71 + 0.05*87*73 + 0.13*48*88 + 0.07*16*141 + 0.03*135*152 + 0.11*4*547 + 0.05*233*157 + 0.28*3*152 + 0.29*12*152 + 0.17*2*157 + 0.50*10*88 + 0.11*70*87 | [21:43] |
| jhvh1: | danielpbarron: 30*1948 + 8*23 + 1.41*23*11 + 0.25*1379*180 + 2*15 + 0.02*50*71 + 0.01*23*59 + 0.04*360*73 + 0.14*467*88 + 0.04*32*87 + 0.06*64*141 + 0.04*152*152 + 0.10*6*547 + 0.06*34*157 + 0.01*184*71 + 0.05*87*73 + 0.13*48*88 + 0.07*16*141 + 0.03*135*152 + 0.11*4*547 + 0.05*233*157 + 0.28*3*152 + 0.29*12*152 + 0.17*2*157 + 0.50*10*88 + 0.11*70*87 = 135840.86000000002 | [21:43] |
| danielpbarron: | plus whatever an ordinary flotsam claim is worth | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | not bad | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | plus what's he at, 25 building ? | [21:44] |
| danielpbarron: | 17 | [21:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll have to run some sticks over the grass spot and see how that goes | [21:45] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not economical for me to use basics with him chasing me around | [21:45] |
| danielpbarron: | way too much clicking | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, level him on stick smalls ? | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | yeh | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | check that shit out, need > 7.5 mn to make it in the all time top anymore... | [21:54] |
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