#eulora Logs for 04 Jan 2017



January 4th, 2017 by Diana Coman
anond: good morning..shinohai... [06:58]
mircea_popescu: hola anond [09:06]
danielpbarron: what are SoM SoL SoB ? scribblingses? [09:21]
mircea_popescu: yeh leather and berries [09:24]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh my bad, they're ~supplications~ [10:32]
mircea_popescu: ie, altar bps. [10:32]
mlcmolina: hi all, have anyone some job for me to do? [10:33]
mlcmolina: i have been exploring eulora for hours and found nothing :( [10:35]
diana_coman: hi mlcmolina ; did you actually explore as in dig for resources? [10:35]
diana_coman: anyways, I have a job available, yes [10:35]
mlcmolina: good! [10:36]
diana_coman: ah, mircea_popescu do we get the new books at the upcoming auction too? [10:36]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, meet me in town in 10 minutes [10:36]
diana_coman: is Foxy in game [10:36]
mlcmolina: diana_coman: i'll see you there [10:37]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman which new books be those ? [10:39]
diana_coman: ugh, gotta look again; iirc lappy 200, building 600, gathering 600 [10:39]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, how much weight can your character carry? [10:47]
mlcmolina: 248 [10:48]
diana_coman: o.O that must be the smallest I ever heard of [10:48]
diana_coman: ok, trade Foxy mlcmolina [10:48]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, do you have a craft-table? [10:50]
mircea_popescu: iirc i gave him one [10:50]
diana_coman: you know the drill otherwise I suppose: go and build the 2 claims, bring the grass back and you'll get money [10:50]
diana_coman: kk [10:50]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, ok? [10:51]
mlcmolina: ok [10:51]
diana_coman: good luck [10:52]
mlcmolina: diana_coman: trade me please? [12:03]
diana_coman: lol mlcmolina where are you? [12:04]
diana_coman: Foxy's not in town atm [12:04]
diana_coman: are you there? [12:04]
mlcmolina: i'm back in town :) [12:05]
diana_coman: ok, I'll come over; you were probably trying to trade Grenadine instead [12:06]
diana_coman: !~calc 0.15*0.10*60*(8429+9636) [12:07]
jhvh1: diana_coman: 0.15*0.10*60*(8429+9636) = 16258.499999999998 [12:07]
diana_coman: I'll bump it to 20k, enjoy [12:08]
diana_coman: do you want to try your hand at a 1-click, 1.5 hour long job? [12:09]
mlcmolina: great! [12:09]
diana_coman: (i.e. you do 1 click, leave it on WITHOUT moving for 1.5 hour, come back to it and deliver) [12:09]
mlcmolina: yes, i'll do it [12:10]
diana_coman: ok, let me get the stuff out [12:10]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, did you craft anything so far? [12:14]
mlcmolina: no [12:15]
diana_coman: you pick up those screens and then set them down again; equip the boots (they go on your feet in the inventory window), equip the scroll in mind, put the bundle in the screens and then click on use (as you did for the claims) [12:16]
diana_coman: once it starts make sure you do NOT move; let it be for 1.5 hour or as long as it takes to finish and then bring everything back and I'll give you your money for the trouble [12:17]
diana_coman: hey, you NEED the screens [12:17]
diana_coman: don't run away from them, lol; use them as you used the claims, open, move bundle to it , click on use [12:18]
diana_coman: is it working mlcmolina ? [12:18]
mlcmolina: ok, i'm working on it now [12:19]
diana_coman: cool, ping me when it's ready [12:19]
mlcmolina: yes, thank you! [12:20]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 5 SoM q 409 ; 8 SoL q 404 ; 6 SoB q 402 all together as a package 1mn heard hanbot. eta 17:00 jan 4. << a little over an hour left [13:36]
mlcmolina: diana_coman: i'd finished! [13:48]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, on my way [13:51]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, trade [13:59]
diana_coman: give me the boots here only and put the rest in the screens on the ground [13:59]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, ^ [13:59]
diana_coman: move away so I can pick it up and see [14:00]
diana_coman: further please [14:01]
diana_coman: trade for your money mlcmolina [14:02]
diana_coman: enjoy [14:02]
mlcmolina: great! [14:03]
diana_coman: have you figured out what you want to do in game? [14:03]
mlcmolina: i'll do whatever give me more ecu [14:04]
mlcmolina: :0 [14:05]
diana_coman: heh, not a bad approach; have you tried figuring out what it is that give you more ecu [14:05]
diana_coman: ? [14:05]
mlcmolina: no, but i think that crafting is really cool [14:06]
diana_coman: this is a very specific type , not exactly usual crafting [14:06]
diana_coman: and very expensive to get into really [14:06]
mircea_popescu: more ecu more ecu have a look and here we go... [14:06]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUUds_zaGJA [14:07]
lobbesbot: Title: Kid Ink - Money and the Power (Lyrics in Description) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [14:07]
diana_coman: ahahahah [14:07]
mircea_popescu: 80s are back! [14:07]
mlcmolina: what i did early is named "gathering"? [14:08]
mircea_popescu: yea [14:09]
mircea_popescu: well building technically, gathering is when yo0u make the claims. [14:09]
mlcmolina: ahh [14:09]
mlcmolina: i can do more of gathering if you want [14:11]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, searching for resources is gathering; building the claims is building; what I gave you last is technically speaking a branch of crafting indeed (bouquinism) [14:12]
diana_coman: it's just that it's done more for the loot (blueprints) than for the actual crafted item (the maculature) [14:13]
mlcmolina: i see [14:14]
mlcmolina: i did some gathering attempts and found nothing [14:15]
mircea_popescu: how many ? [14:16]
diana_coman: first: you need LOTS; second: you might have better chances with some tools + skills [14:16]
diana_coman: anyways, bbl [14:16]
mlcmolina: very little really [14:17]
mlcmolina: im reading about it at diana_coman's blog [14:17]
mircea_popescu: yeah see danielpbarron 's also. [14:18]
mlcmolina: ok [14:19]
mlcmolina: mircea_popescu: congrats for this beautiful game you are working on! [14:21]
mircea_popescu: ha! thank you. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: how did you find out about it btw ? [14:21]
mlcmolina: i can't remember, maybe when i found trilema.com.. [14:23]
mlcmolina: because i was finding some game with bitcoin as currency [14:26]
mircea_popescu: aha [14:26]
mircea_popescu: anyway, a lot more to do. once the land update is in, then! [14:26]
mlcmolina: i had short experience with secondlife [14:27]
mircea_popescu: some of the girls played it. [14:27]
mlcmolina: last year i tested dragon's tale [14:29]
mlcmolina: but it's paid suscription (payable with btc) [14:30]
mlcmolina: and you can't withdraw your earnings [14:31]
mlcmolina: i have a question about eulora graphics: [14:32]
mlcmolina: how can i put it fullscreen on my laptop? [14:32]
mircea_popescu: alt-enter doesn't do it ? [14:32]
mlcmolina: ahh, yes [14:33]
mlcmolina: much better :) [14:33]
mircea_popescu: cool [14:33]
mlcmolina: mircea_popescu: have you some building/crafting to do? [14:35]
mircea_popescu: not right now, unfortunately. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: how much did you get for clicking on the screrens ? [14:37]
mlcmolina: 30000 [14:37]
mircea_popescu: not bad [14:39]
mircea_popescu: i might have one or two to do myself next week. [14:39]
mlcmolina: i dont know if its ok because i didnt find its value at diana_coman list [14:40]
mircea_popescu: sounds about right tbh. [14:41]
mlcmolina: yes, considering i dont have to move ;) [14:44]
diana_coman: mlcmolina, the click on screens is different from building in more than one respect, yeah [14:45]
mircea_popescu: im guessing she must have done 10\% of bundle value or somesuch [14:45]
diana_coman: you can find though the value of all of the different things involved if you go through the cookbook [14:46]
diana_coman: but yes, you'd need to take into account at least the bundle value and bp that went in as well [14:46]
mircea_popescu: just the token is 500k+ [14:47]
mlcmolina: diana_coman: i checked base value of Maculature Is on the cookbook and it says "N/A" [14:49]
diana_coman: hmm? http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Maculature-Is.html [14:49]
mlcmolina: mircea_popescu: what is the token ? [14:49]
diana_coman: I can see the value there clearly, where did you find it as N/A mlcmolina ? [14:50]
diana_coman: inconsequential token is one of the things that go into the bundle [14:50]
diana_coman: follow that link above [14:50]
mlcmolina: http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html [14:51]
lobbesbot: Title: Euloran Cookbook Version 1.3 (at dianacoman.com) [14:51]
diana_coman: bundle value is there as well; usually the 2 are the same but since it's not always, the site shows base value as such only when it really knows it (directly from game, manually retrieved at some point) [14:53]
diana_coman: bundle value is in most cases the base value as well and it is the value of that item at 100 quality points [14:54]
mlcmolina: ahh [14:54]
diana_coman: so you always need to adjust for quality as well; for instance, maculature is worth 167907ecu when it has quality 100 [14:54]
diana_coman: however, if you maculature of quality 276 then it's worth in fact 167907*2.76 [14:55]
diana_coman: if you go back to the calculations I made when I paid you for grass you'll see I adjusted there for the quality of the grass you delivered, namely 10 so 0.1 [14:55]
diana_coman: lots of knowledge required for making ecu :) [14:56]
diana_coman: btw, just for the record, do note that one can quite easily also *lose* ecu in game [14:57]
mlcmolina: i see ;) [14:57]
diana_coman: in this sense the jobs you get are "safe" as you know you get some money out of it - the one giving you the job might sometimes make a loss [14:57]
mlcmolina: for example if my bot lose his craft-table while exploring? [14:58]
diana_coman: the terms (such as base value for instance) are really quite nicely explained on the wiki, worth reading that part several times [14:58]
diana_coman: hm, more like using a tool worth 20000 ecu and getting out of it only 12000 ecu for instance [14:59]
mlcmolina: ok [15:00]
diana_coman: most of the things one does in eulora are essentially gambling - you may win or you may lose, all of it in various degrees [15:00]
diana_coman: and of course, best to know what you are doing if you want to make money at it :) [15:00]
mlcmolina: i understand [15:01]
diana_coman: cool; do ask otherwise [15:01]
diana_coman: what are you doing in real life? [15:01]
mlcmolina: i am employed at school [15:03]
mlcmolina: IT admin [15:04]
mlcmolina: and i have some time for games :) [15:05]
diana_coman: heh, one always has time for what one likes [15:07]
diana_coman: have you seen the eulora hackathon? [15:07]
mlcmolina: nop [15:12]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman maculature is like 1.7k base wut [15:14]
diana_coman: well, it's bundle value what the site calculates there [15:15]
diana_coman: let's see [15:15]
diana_coman: !~calc 2*29170+101+88462+1000 [15:17]
jhvh1: diana_coman: 2*29170+101+88462+1000 = 147903 [15:17]
diana_coman: ah, the site has level 2 [15:17]
diana_coman: !~calc 2*29170+101+88462+1000*99 [15:17]
jhvh1: diana_coman: 2*29170+101+88462+1000*99 = 245903 [15:17]
diana_coman: not sure what's the bv of the token, lol [15:18]
diana_coman: !~calc 25213*6*5 [15:20]
jhvh1: diana_coman: 25213*6*5 = 756390 [15:20]
diana_coman: !~calc (25213+13086)*6*5 [15:23]
jhvh1: diana_coman: (25213+13086)*6*5 = 1148970 [15:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, do you want 38k odd bct bps q12 ^ ? [15:24]
mircea_popescu: ok. [15:25]
mircea_popescu: token is 10 iirc [15:25]
diana_coman: are you in town? [15:25]
diana_coman: oh hi wyrdmantis , happy new year! how's it going? [15:26]
mircea_popescu: im mining. ping you when back ? [15:26]
diana_coman: can do, yeah; wanted to avoid dumping them in storage, but will do [15:27]
diana_coman: and for all the srs and bct bps mlcmolina looted, he looted...43 cft bps ffs [15:28]
diana_coman: what's with cft that is soooooo elusive, lol [15:28]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [15:32]
anond: hello [16:47]
shinohai: he lives [16:49]
anond: yes [16:49]
anond: i live [16:49]
anond: surprisingly [16:51]
shinohai: lol [16:52]
shinohai: surprisingly? [16:52]
anond: yes [16:53]
shinohai: Did you cross a river filled with piranhas today or something ? [16:54]
anond: something like this [16:55]
anond: all this inside my hous [16:55]
anond: house [16:55]
shinohai: Well I should say one has serious issues if there is a river full of flesh-eating fish inside their home. [16:56]
wyrdmantis: hi diana_coman, happy new year! I'm fine thanks [16:56]
anond: yes.. you catched the spirit [16:56]
wyrdmantis: diana_coman do you have any cft to sell? [16:57]
wyrdmantis: high q [16:57]
Birdman: mircea_popescu i've 2077 q201 grass if you're interested / ill buy some threads [16:58]
mircea_popescu: i am but out mining right nao [16:59]
mircea_popescu: can it be tonight ? [16:59]
Birdman: kk ill be in town just ping whenever [16:59]
anond: dear shinohai [17:00]
shinohai: Yes, that's how one would start a letter to me. [17:02]
anond: you have helped me alot [17:03]
shinohai: You're quite welcome. [17:05]
anond: and one day will be the time to reward you [17:06]
shinohai: Sovereign Bitcoin always appreciated as token of appreciation ;) [17:08]
anond: :) [17:09]
anond: its is good to know that [17:09]
anond: BUT, and many times there is a but, [17:09]
anond: yesterday you have blocked me, for a period of time, in discouraging the use of a VPS [17:11]
shinohai: anond see log: http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t01:29:43 [17:12]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2017-01-04 (at logs.minigame.bz) [17:12]
shinohai: twas not only I that think this is a terribul idea [17:12]
anond: well, now i can see that [17:13]
shinohai: Surely you can buy a laptop or other box for this purpose. I bought a spare one for < 00 that runs eulora fine. [17:14]
anond: ok [17:15]
anond: thanks for the advice [17:15]
anond: would you know for what technical reason that is not a good idea? [17:23]
shinohai: Well you have 0 graphics for one. [17:24]
anond: Sorry for my ignorance. You are saying that I would not have a graphical interface in a vps? (have in your mind that i have nevere rented one) [17:28]
diana_coman: wyrdmantis, flat out of cft I'm afraid; maybe mircea_popescu sells some [17:28]
mircea_popescu: anond vps has no graphics, no. [17:42]
anond: thanks mircea [17:42]
Birdman: mircea_popescu does my stack of low q32 cft bps make it easier to get my hands on a bunch of threads? i would also be very happy with tons of threads at and multiple of q52 [18:37]
mircea_popescu: Birdman sure. [18:37]
Birdman: i shall see what i have for bps then [18:38]
Birdman: i do have a stack at q36, which i could sell to you per your shop, though i suppose i'd want to be able to buy like 3 stacks of threads [18:40]
Birdman: i also have a bunch of maculture and SI i could let go of if i can buy some bits [18:55]
mircea_popescu: Birdman how do you imagine you can buy three stacks of threads for a stack of bps ? like i was explaining to diana_coman yest, you gotta get a fraction. [19:01]
Birdman: i was thinking because they're low q you might have some idea of overcraft in cft? i want to get max threads from this, and you take all your profits in coppers and whatever numina or something [19:03]
Birdman: have we figured out concrete maths re overcrafts yet? [19:04]
mircea_popescu: there's a discussion yest ; http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-01-02.log.html#t17:42:18 thereabouts [19:06]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2017-01-02 (at logs.minigame.bz) [19:06]
Birdman: i see [19:07]
Birdman: im just not certain with the q bits i have i can sustainably mine outside of soley going for grass, so my other option for threads is these bps i have and the stocks are fleeting [19:08]
Birdman: just have q362 bits [19:08]
mircea_popescu: well, it's a matter of bv. how much bv of grass do you get per mn cft bv ? [19:09]
Birdman: i havent put it into those figures, but with lower q cft in the past i'd always profit crazy amounts in grass + resources [19:11]
Birdman: the only losing end was the bps i used making the threads, and im obv one of the least suited to have been crafting them in general [19:11]
mircea_popescu: if you want low q cft i dun see why not make your own then [19:12]
Birdman: well because i cant make them come out to the proper quality to match my bits, and it seems awefully wasteful in general [19:12]
mircea_popescu: well depends, if you want high q cft then yes ; but if you want it low q then no [19:13]
Birdman: i feel with higher quality bits and threads i wont be able to mine sustainably [19:13]
mircea_popescu: so then use low. [19:13]
Birdman: right, but i only have high q bits [19:13]
Birdman: which normally wouldn't be a problem, but teh bot saves all claim keys now [19:14]
Birdman: i *have* to build all claims [19:14]
mircea_popescu: ah. well i guess collect some keys. i dun have much low q lbn [19:14]
Birdman: the answer i was hoping you wouldnt say, because now im held up on WOS [19:15]
Birdman: i have lots of low q maculature and shredding bps [19:15]
mircea_popescu: i can't even make low q lbn, i make 300+ [19:15]
Birdman: im sure you could find a way with these q89 bps and q5 ingreds lol [19:16]
mircea_popescu: i'll still get more than you. [19:17]
mircea_popescu: besides, i dun wanna use a wos click for q 5 [19:18]
shinohai: how much lbn do u need exactly Birdman [19:18]
Birdman: all you have probably shinohai [19:24]
shinohai: I don't have many maybe 1000 [19:24]
Birdman: what q and whats your asking price? [19:26]
shinohai: I have 700 q11 and 800 q141 [19:27]
shinohai: make offer I guess [19:28]
Birdman: 200\% qabv? [19:28]
shinohai: good [19:29]
Birdman: im in town whenever [19:29]
Birdman: !~calc 800 * (11 * 1.41) + 700 * (11 * .11) [19:30]
jhvh1: Birdman: 800 * (11 * 1.41) + 700 * (11 * .11) = 13255 [19:30]
shinohai: well fuck they mixed when I withdrew [19:30]
Birdman: what q now? [19:30]
shinohai: So thats 1500 q 80 [19:30]
shinohai: one sec [19:31]
Birdman: !~calc 1500 * (11 * .80) * 2 [19:31]
jhvh1: Birdman: 1500 * (11 * .80) * 2 = 26400.000000000004 [19:31]
Birdman: !~calc 1500 * 60 * 1.1 [19:33]
jhvh1: Birdman: 1500 * 60 * 1.1 = 99000.00000000001 [19:33]
mircea_popescu: o wow lbn going that low nao ? [19:33]
Birdman: ;) [19:33]
shinohai: kk Birdman u ready? [19:35]
Birdman: yes trade [19:35]
shinohai: o/ [19:35]
Birdman: ty [19:35]
shinohai: I knew harvesting that shit would come in handy lol [19:35]
Birdman: i had saved up crazy amounts of bits from keys before too lol [19:36]
Birdman: im almost 300 building now too so bits have an insane potential profit margin [19:36]
shinohai: I don't craft much atm so I just pick up whatever I find lying about [19:36]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman Birdman who else wanted to trade : going to town [21:47]
mircea_popescu: hanbot you won the sups, pickup [21:47]
Birdman: on the way [21:47]
Birdman: so how many threads can i get with these 9999 cft bps q36? [21:48]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 18 * 5 * .36 * 10000 [21:50]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 18 * 5 * .36 * 10000 = 324000 [21:50]
mircea_popescu: say 2k q 80 or something likw 1.5k q 110 [21:50]
mircea_popescu: which kind do you prefer ? [21:51]
Birdman: q52 would be preferable [21:51]
Birdman: so i guess q80 is better [21:52]
mircea_popescu: i dun have q 52. aite. [21:52]
Birdman: i also have 2077 cdg at q201 [21:52]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2077 * 60 * 2.01 * 1.5 [21:52]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2077 * 60 * 2.01 * 1.5 = 375729.3 [21:52]
mircea_popescu: ok so how about 4k cft q 80 total. [21:52]
Birdman: deal [21:52]
Birdman: wait [21:53]
Birdman: am i selling all this then buying the threads or am i giving you all this for the threads? [21:53]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 4000 * 180 * .8 * 1.8 - 375729.3 - 324000 [21:54]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4000 * 180 * .8 * 1.8 - 375729.3 - 324000 = 337070.69999999995 [21:54]
mircea_popescu: that'd be 337k you owe [21:54]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i'm ready [21:55]
mircea_popescu: hanbot cool deal just 1 sec to settle Birdman [21:55]
mircea_popescu: gah [21:56]
mircea_popescu: ty [21:56]
Birdman: tyty [21:56]
mircea_popescu: and gl! [21:56]
mircea_popescu: enjoy! [21:58]
hanbot: you give, you go! [21:58]
mircea_popescu: lol [21:58]
hanbot: oh, keys. for a second i was thinking "wtf, the ground grew stubble..?" [22:00]
mircea_popescu: lmao [22:01]
mircea_popescu: any noob crafters selling low/mid slag ? [22:02]

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