| hanbot: | congrats mircea_popescu | [00:21] |
| hanbot: | that's the ath pop innit? | [00:21] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman> hanbot, what are you charging for tokens now? << 100k, steep discounts for supplication trade arrangements | [00:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot it woul;d be except it didn't pop for some reason ?! | [00:23] |
| hanbot: | too hot to pop | [00:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | olo | [00:27] |
| alikim: | mircea: no link, thanks, I don't really advertise my web site | [01:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | suspected as much, which is why i asked. | [01:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, if you have a project or anything - trilema does send some significant traffic. | [01:32] |
| alikim: | as to crafting DB: yes it'd be nice to have what my program does but have it up to date and with all correct info, which is now not the case ofc. The problem with you guys, is that you all have your own tiny little blogs and pages and what not, information is scattered, everyone updates their own pages and shops and then, wait, we also have this wiki thing, can anyone please put all our personal shit together and update wiki please, th | [01:41] |
| alikim: | I've seen it many times before, I understand why this is happening, so I'm not complaining / bitching about, you are who you are and you do what you do, but I have no intention to be a part of this as it is now or contribute. Sometimes collaboration happens to the point of having all info in one place up to date and actually useful, sometimes not so much. If you ask me, as long as you maintain your little private projects here and there | [01:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | this complaint is not without merit. you gotta appreciate the context tho : most of eulora grows in the direction someone pulls it. figuring out a way that works for you so you may pull is certainly on the table. | [01:42] |
| alikim: | well, I did as much as I could the way it works for me | [01:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, what else do you want to do and what do you actually need ? | [01:43] |
| alikim: | I was answering a few mini discussions here about info in my crafting db and where shoukd I keep it and such | [01:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, you're welcome to keep it whichever way you want. everyone uses his own methods - most everyone here is disinterested in web stuff, runs bash on some flavour of linux, uses python or maybe perl as a scripting language, and generally thinks in R and maybe codes in C. | [01:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | you on the other hand work, from what i can tell, in more excel/lamp sort of environments. | [01:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no fundamental reason these can't interoperate. | [01:47] |
| alikim: | <mircea_popescu> well, what else do you want to do and what do you actually need ? << as the ruler of this universe actually I need you to abandon your own eulora pages and shops and what not and contribute info you have to one DB ;) | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim you'll have to appreciate : minigame (ie, the publisher) maintains no such thing. no wiki, no anything. it's all 100\% player run. | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you know, some players got together and did this or that, as they did. | [01:48] |
| alikim: | as I said before I'm not complaining | [01:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, so what's the trouble exactly, csv import to mysql failed incomprehensibly ? | [01:49] |
| alikim: | so I'm not complaining / bitching about << specificalyy mentioned it before everyone jumps in here saying what are you complaining about and "you should appreciate..."" | [01:49] |
| alikim: | didn't help ;) | [01:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | "you should appreciate" might not mean what you think it does. it's just "here's soemthing you might not know", it's not an invitation to positively value anything. | [01:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | alikim i can prolly help debug it if you want ? | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually wth, takes all of five minutes to convert csv into sql, gimme a moment here. where was that link | [01:52] |
| alikim: | there is no trouble | [01:52] |
| alikim: | I already did what I wanted | [01:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? you got her csv imported alright ? | [01:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [01:52] |
| alikim: | well, it takes hours to manually clean it up but yeah it worked | [01:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O did it ? | [01:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect you know, a lot of frustration/friction comes from the fact that people aren't really familiar with your preferred software stack, and have a lot of trouble judging your competence level, so they oft don't know what/how to help. | [01:54] |
| alikim: | "the trouble" or rather a sad fact is that instead of maintaining one resource everyone maintains their own | [01:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is how open source works tho. | [01:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | why is it sad ? | [01:55] |
| alikim: | because it takes alot of time to scrap of the bits and pieces scattered across the internet into something useful | [01:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea, but giving people ownership of their own work is how they end up motivated to do it in the first place. | [01:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's kinda the whole point and the ethos of open source software. | [01:57] |
| alikim: | I don't know how else to explain it... imagine evry single person makes an incompatible fork of linux they using out of personal motivation.. ther isn't much good in that for me if I'm to use linux | [02:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | well sure. but there's also the fact that better tools gather mommentum and rule out worse ones. if you've now got your thing in a sql format which is better, and you offer it for people to build further things on top of it, it'll become a de-facto standard. | [02:01] |
| alikim: | yeah that icludes a lot of effort on my side, which I'm not ready to put in | [02:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well in the end, every game presents the same choice to the would-be player : will you play it or won't you. | [02:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | nothing wrong with either. | [02:04] |
| diana_coman: | <alikim> well, it takes hours to manually clean it up but yeah it worked <- it takes less than 1 minute for my python script to make ALL those pages out of that csv file | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | no cleaning required, no shit | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | as for "it's a db, you can do anything" - it's a text file, you really CAN do anything with it; as was the grep example when I needed to find out which bp had the homunculus in it | [02:37] |
| diana_coman: | <alikim> yeah that icludes a lot of effort on my side, which I'm not ready to put in <- heh. | [02:38] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw I suspect the "cleaning" needed on the csv was mainly because a. he didn't know what was in there basically b. he wanted the info/format to actually *be* something else so a bit of "this fork took hours to CLEAN into a knife" | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | sure it takes | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot> diana_coman> hanbot, what are you charging for tokens now? << 100k, steep discounts for supplication trade arrangements <- what do you need for supplications? I don't have any supp bps basically | [02:45] |
| Gaxaro: | Hello! | [06:27] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, there are no supplication blueprints | [07:29] |
| danielpbarron: | hi Gaxaro | [07:29] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, your shop says: I will click your supplications using my own rank and altar. You just provide the blueprints, ingredients, and a 1000 copper fee. <- so then there must be some supp bps? | [09:19] |
| danielpbarron: | by blueprints i mean the supplication | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | mk, I meant: I don't have any supplications | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman there ? | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | here | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, ? | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got some lbn, come pickup ? | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | ah, right | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | I'm crafting a cs, will trade as soon as it's done as apparently I can't trade now | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh yeah. | [11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | somebody fixed the game | [11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | mumbles goddamned devs broke it | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | :p | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | and congrats on the mega-samovar-pop | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't even pop! | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | but fucking cray, i think the largest loot to date. | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | surely because ms bps so constrained | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> diana_coman> I suppose it's also indeed what the relational-model community has kept selling << do i detect some chill ? <- yeah, not a huge fan of the relational model; somehow in practice it almost always fails to be a great solution | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | hm, weird the didn't pop thing, what durability are those samovars? | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i said, 160k ea, 362, comes to like 50mn | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | so then how come not pop, weird | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | yum yum lbn, thanks | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have nfi! | [11:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess the latest server update changed how basics are found everywhere | [11:56] |
| danielpbarron: | and i thought it was pretty cool that i had found a small clover overnight barehanded.. totally overshadowed by that samovar non-pop | [12:45] |
| danielpbarron: | 500+ quality clover though | [12:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | noce clover. | [12:50] |
| danielpbarron: | should make a really nice gin, or whatever else it was i needed clovers for | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd make a few k's gin, esp now that i got the stoves, but... | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | no ltf, no nt | [12:53] |
| danielpbarron: | so that pop was almost sorta like finding 200+ toves | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno i'd trade a 160k durability ms for half a slithy tove | [12:55] |
| danielpbarron: | what else are toves used in? | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh in that sense. well, 362 just as ingredients. | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | but importantly, also difference of utility, these ms i can use to make with any luyck about 1bn ECu worth of skill gains | [12:56] |
| danielpbarron: | ah, cheese | [12:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [12:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, how come nobody selling basics ? flotsam ? sr ? nt ? anyone ? | [12:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | need i auction off more lbn or something ? | [12:59] |
| danielpbarron: | cause if i had them i'd use them | [12:59] |
| danielpbarron: | idk how to even gets basics anymore | [12:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, lessee | [13:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION 1 stack lbn q 246, opening 1mn ; 6 ALC q 223, opening 2mn ; 10 ATC q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 181, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 223, opening 2.5mn ; 10 MS, d 160k, opening 3mn. | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | eta 17:00 ART | [13:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | [tomorrow, lol | [13:04] |
| Birdman: | 9 ntc higher q for cheaper? | [13:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | just an opening bid eh. | [13:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wait wrong ones doh | [13:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION 1 stack lbn q 246, opening 1mn ; 6 ALC q 223, opening 2mn ; 10 ATC q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC q 181, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 223, opening 2.5mn ; 10 MS, d 160k, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART apr 23rd | [13:06] |
| Birdman: | i probably have like 3k high q nt i could sell | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, Gaxaro should come with some basics | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | I set him up for it, let's see | [13:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | well the thing is i need enough for say 3k acg, which would be 70k nt or so | [13:08] |
| diana_coman: | he still gets only smalls | [13:08] |
| diana_coman: | and depending on thread used he can get between 12q and 45q easily | [13:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't care about q so much honestly. | [13:08] |
| diana_coman: | he really just needs to let the bot on for longer | [13:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10 or 40, i just use it up | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | well, it impacts his profit basically | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | so I suppose he cares | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | is 40 worse or better ? | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | how does it impact his profit anyway, i still pay same margin | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | but if you really don't care and are willing to pay the price of 40q for 10q, you'll get larger quantity faster for sure | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | not at all what i meant. he gets 50 for 40 like he gets 5 for 4. | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i buy 110 items q 4 or 11 q 44, same money. | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 40* | [13:10] |
| Birdman: | huge stocks of resources coming out of claims are sort of a thing of the past now right? | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | why ? | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't he just get 500 tlc out of a small ? | [13:11] |
| Birdman: | idk, im askin | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | idk either, not been mining in many weeks now | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | quality 500 | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | a single clover | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | o | [13:11] |
| Birdman: | i did just get over 5k rf from an ord | [13:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i knew i wanted to offer something else too | [13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION 1 stack lbn q 246, opening 1mn ; 6 ALC q 223, opening 2mn ; 10 ATC q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC q 181, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 223, opening 2.5mn ; 10 MS, d 160k, opening 3mn ; 37 CS opening 1.5mn. eta 17:00 ART apr 23rd | [13:15] |
| danielpbarron: | 1.5 mn the cs | [13:16] |
| Birdman: | 1.75mn on em | [13:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i got 1k basics, twice, each time from a small | [13:16] |
| danielpbarron: | over the last couple weeks or whatever | [13:17] |
| danielpbarron: | not nearly enough to want to sell any | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION 1 stack lbn q 246, opening 1mn ; 6 ALC q 223, opening 2mn ; 10 ATC q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC q 181, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 223, opening 2.5mn ; 10 MS, d 160k, opening 3mn ; 37 CS 1.75mn heard Birdman . eta 17:00 ART apr 23rd | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i guess im going mining then | [13:17] |
| danielpbarron: | one was grass, and i got plenty of cft recipies for that, and the other ways shiny rock, and i got plenty of slag/ibs blueprints | [13:18] |
| danielpbarron: | if i could rework the bot to periodically go back to town to dump into storage i'd prolly get lots of basics | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah two major additions are needed to bot : 1 is to somehow go to town and dump ; 2 is to fucking handle the tiny/small disparity | [13:19] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not even a matter of bits; i guess there's enough of those around and even at those prices i think it's profitable | [13:19] |
| danielpbarron: | but it's too much hassle | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | atm im just mining by hand because of that shit | [13:19] |
| Birdman: | yeah maybe some addition where you can set what you want it to build or not would be schweet | [13:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyways. off to mine for a little bit! | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so apparently i find tpt where grass used to be now | [13:46] |
| Birdman: | yeah its all crazy now | [14:02] |
| Birdman: | and there's boulders everywhere it seems | [14:02] |
| danielpbarron: | i found a spot with no boulders | [14:03] |
| Birdman: | coords or it never happened | [14:03] |
| danielpbarron: | funny thing is i literally already sold that coords | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmmm so this is confirmed - i find nothing but tpt where grass used to be! | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone wanna see my tpt claims ?! | [14:05] |
| Birdman: | what lol | [14:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the latest update changed it all again | [14:05] |
| Birdman: | with barehanded? | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | cs | [14:05] |
| Birdman: | ah, i only get nt with cs so far | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | weird. | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is some pretty epic tpt if it interests someone, btw. q 450ish | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | 432 actually. | [14:10] |
| danielpbarron: | sounds about right | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | same you get ? | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i might get higher even, i don't recall exactly | [14:11] |
| danielpbarron: | but i've been using quality 320ish threads | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | o look, abandoned eggs. | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep, pretty much whole grass patch is tpt for me now. | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> yeah two major additions are needed to bot : 1 is to somehow go to town and dump ; 2 is to fucking handle the tiny/small disparity <- so go ahead and make them ? :D | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol yeah. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | check it out, some birds' nest | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | where sb used to be... | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | but at least i can find basics. | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | I think I found mainly sr where flotsam used to be | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | it seems to find more grouped stuff, less of a full mess | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | but I can't quite gauge it entirely yet | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | re Gax and the profits mircea_popescu it's a more complex evaluation | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | higher q also means he ranks up faster in building for one thing and for the other it means he can make stuff and sell it rather than basic resources | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I personally prefer higher q stuff than lower q | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | well sure. | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | talking of which: for sale, 2 stacks of flotsam q1, 40k total | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | sold. | [15:10] |
| diana_coman: | kk, let me get it out, will take a while | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh, and you left a table with an adze in it in town, lol | [15:11] |
| Birdman: | ya thats been there for ages | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | maybe the bot should run a missing objects service | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, 2 stacks of flotsam ready | [15:20] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I can offer 1 stack of sr q1 to go with the flotsam too, at 15k | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | let me know if you want that one too | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ord sg | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do want that one too. hold 'em for me till i come over plox ? on a mining run atm | [15:24] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, how long would that be? | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, a few hours ? why, inconvenient ? | [15:25] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I want to go mining too | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | make a claim by storage store them in there ? | [15:26] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [15:26] |
| diana_coman: | mk | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | or if not, lemme finish this stick i come over ? | [15:26] |
| diana_coman: | I'll set it up with some crafting then | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok omw | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently i have no trouble getting sg... | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | me neither, it's weirdly easy to get | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers! | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo... bundle 1 > q 16 ; bundle 5 > q 36 | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | clearly it's better to use more middle of the road bundles | [15:42] |
| Birdman: | well, 36/5 < 16/1 | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron you want a supplication for its bv and tell me what you get from the click at bundle q? | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | and what loots the sortage skill | [16:06] |
| Birdman: | also as an open offer, if anyone wants to trade me any grocery ords for w/e ords they want im down like a clown, my enums now are q118 which if im not mistaken is 3rd best at the moment | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | 1mn on the lbn mircea_popescu | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION 1 stack lbn q 246, 1mn heard diana_coman ; 6 ALC q 223, opening 2mn ; 10 ATC q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC q 181, opening 3mn ; 9 NTC q 223, opening 2.5mn ; 10 MS, d 160k, opening 3mn ; 37 CS opening 1.5mn. eta 17:00 ART apr 23rd | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman well yes but i'd rather gain .21 than .15 | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman wow MY ords are q 118 also | [19:06] |
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