| mircea_popescu: | sooo.... off to try soem grass, on q 155 cft / q 59 lbn | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | fkr | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | first try, 1 small, got q 538 | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lbn grass comes out 126 | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaand i have 3 stacks, 2 in inv and 1 in ct. bot adds aLL grass, small or tiny, to the same one stack, the 2nd on in inv | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a massacre. | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 42 q414 grass -> 14 q 362!!!! cft. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaaand q 362 tinkerer feelings, also! | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 279 sb -> q 298 ppb! | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit this'll make some pretty decent cs! | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder what q 500ish sb from smalls does. 600 ? | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh happy days! | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | is suddenly excited. | [08:39] |
| DianaComan: | oh yeah, that's quite the thing now - if only there was also an abundance of high q bps... | [08:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | but... bps are made now, right ? you can actually control what q you make them | [08:47] |
| DianaComan: | well, they are looted and as reported yest, in rather small quantities + they take the bloody canines | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | besides, seems as the incentive with bps is to overcraft anyway, should be some pretty high q output | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it was rotten canines | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | new item ? | [08:48] |
| DianaComan: | so yeah, I did get those rather high q bps, but not exactly a lot of them | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | well obv, high q means not exactly a lot :D | [08:48] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, mine are bloody :D | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so canine is the new st ? | [08:49] |
| DianaComan: | probably they share the first place :p | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ima make a run of a dozen cs and see what happens to grass. | [08:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course now the debate of all time : should i use low quality basic tools to make imp tools, thus getting shitty ones and wasting the bps ? | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | OR should i use high q basic tools to make imp tools, thus getting good ones and wasting the basic tool durability ? | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm sure the true value as established by free market mechanisms such as the auction will provide a directly usable input to discern this dilemma /s | [08:54] |
| DianaComan: | I guess it depends on what bps you have really | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | how could it depend on that ? | [08:55] |
| DianaComan: | well, if you have shitty bps, you'll kind of make shitty tools anyway | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ohh good point | [08:55] |
| DianaComan: | on the plus side though: the tiny:small ratio is really different on basics with imp tools | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, is it ? bp influences output somehow ? | [08:56] |
| DianaComan: | so if you want high q basics | [08:56] |
| DianaComan: | you prolly really prefer imps | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was impressed with my small/tiny ratio even on basics. got like almost even! 4:5 | [08:56] |
| DianaComan: | so I would "waste" the basic tools for imps, but maybe that's just me | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | very short run tho | [08:56] |
| DianaComan: | aha, not bad, I haven't really mined basics in ages | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | well sure, i can also make a call arbitrarily, but i was looking for you know, a logic. | [08:57] |
| DianaComan: | you mean as in : that is certainly and objectively better than the other in ALL situations? | [08:57] |
| DianaComan: | try another game :p | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | well now i gotta look. | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i got imp stone axe q 231, and imp hoe 193 and 144. | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | does the 144 count as shitty ? | [08:59] |
| DianaComan: | 144k you mean? | [09:00] |
| DianaComan: | or 144 lol | [09:00] |
| DianaComan: | oh, the bps | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya. didn't you say the bps ? | [09:00] |
| DianaComan: | that sounds quite good to me, | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i mean, the bp value is only ~4.5k or so iirc. so what big difference do 50 q points make ? extra 2k in there, that's 5\% | [09:00] |
| DianaComan: | try it I suppose | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess i totally should do that huh. | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you know what, since i have everything here anyway, might as well do a single click on each and see what happens. | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | since i recall the devs saying there's no random component in quality calc ? | [09:07] |
| DianaComan: | precisely, that was my point: try one of each since not random, you can then figure out what is what hopefully | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite ima just finish this ppb run | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so imp c hoe, bp value 8515, bundle q 103, comes out.... | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so imp c hoe, bp value 8515, bundle q 103, comes out.... 27951. | [09:47] |
| DianaComan: | ugh, that's what, 60q? | [09:51] |
| DianaComan: | so lower q than your bundle?? | [09:51] |
| DianaComan: | did you get loot? | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah some nosehairs. | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | base value for imp hoe is 44k according to my cookbook, so that looks weird? | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | aha, so it did consider it overcraft, but kind of low q output in the end | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | really curious what you get then for the imp axe/adze | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | doing another, diff bp | [09:53] |
| DianaComan: | aha, or that, yes | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile, | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so imp c hoe, bp value 6353, bundle q 103, comes out.... 24143. | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | and finally, imp pickaxe, bp value 10191, bundle q 104, comes out.... | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 30727 | [10:16] |
| DianaComan: | so clearly bp value counts, quite obviously | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. taking the first as a baseline : | [10:18] |
| DianaComan: | not directly added either, but a bit more subtle | [10:18] |
| DianaComan: | what q was the loot in each case? | [10:19] |
| DianaComan: | (all of them seem to be below bundle q , so I assume you got some loot in all cases) | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | 8515â\u0088\u00926353 = 2162 lower bp -> 3808 lower tool ; 1676 higher bp -> 2776 higherr tool | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems ~150\% | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | and no, i am pretty sure the nosehairs were from b4. none of these looted. | [10:20] |
| DianaComan: | well, if you looted anything, it should be some message in the chat window ; if no message, than no loot | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | shit, you're right. | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, here's a mindboggler : the hairs are q168 | [10:22] |
| DianaComan: | so hairs q168 but imp tool what seems like ...q60? | [10:23] |
| DianaComan: | ugh, weird | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait a second. | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | oooomg. | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | 46007 cs. | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan : the bundle was q 103, but i used fully worn tools. so dunno that the bv can be much more than 15k or so | [10:25] |
| DianaComan: | oh | [10:25] |
| DianaComan: | and wow, well done on the cs | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | bundle 257, mostly on the basis of the ppb. | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i shudder to think what high q pss and tpt would do. | [10:25] |
| DianaComan: | aha, I actually made some similar cs with a huge q bundle , but that was with some old high q ppb, wasn't sure it was repeatable | [10:26] |
| DianaComan: | aha, guess I should mine my pss remark soon, hm | [10:26] |
| DianaComan: | kind of not sure it's not yet waste re mining rank | [10:26] |
| danielpbarron: | tpt and pss aren't much value next to ft | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's mostly the ppb realy. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so let's try this again huh. | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 2x25288 ICH + 1x29832 ISP, opening 150k ; 1 ATC, q 130, opening 500k ; 1 NGC, q 130, opening 500k. eta 13:00 ART tomorrow. | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and check me out, i'm making q 226 dagsen flags also | [11:27] |
| danielpbarron: | 500k ngc | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 2x25288 ICH + 1x29832 ISP, opening 150k ; 1 ATC, q 130, opening 500k ; 1 NGC, q 130, 500k heard danielpbarron . eta 13:00 ART | [11:27] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan> uhm, danielpbarron do you mean you'd sell me all the resulting sentiments from that ? << no, I don't have so many toils. | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's try grass again shall we. | [11:30] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron: for the sentiments you sell me, consider that you use MY inputs as it were (I just give them to you for processing), so how much just for the clicks/decay/bps basically; as for whatever else you want to make, see my shop and the prices there, place an order etc. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan iirc they take a water of anamnesia and the numina. | [11:32] |
| DianaComan: | he gave me a bill of materials for the water of anamnesia too, since he is the only one to make that too | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. what's it take i forget | [11:33] |
| danielpbarron: | so just charge me whatever for all that i need to finish off my waters and i'll base the sentiment price on that | [11:33] |
| DianaComan: | and that's fine, I can provide all that, but then he mixed my order with what he wants/needs to do otherwise and I don't see why | [11:33] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, that doesn't make any sense to me | [11:33] |
| danielpbarron: | because why not | [11:33] |
| DianaComan: | so then that is that, I won't go into this madnees | [11:34] |
| danielpbarron: | shrugs | [11:34] |
| DianaComan: | btw danielpbarron did the q of your consideration bundle change? | [11:34] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i didn't look | [11:34] |
| DianaComan: | I clicked mine | [11:34] |
| danielpbarron: | no it didn't | [11:35] |
| danielpbarron: | and still 89 macalatures on the blueprint | [11:36] |
| DianaComan: | not surprisingly really, but I was curious | [11:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd click the gung-ho one if i get it prolly | [11:36] |
| danielpbarron: | not in a rush to click mcguyver | [11:36] |
| danielpbarron: | actually i'm not in a rush for either one, supplications are what i'm lacking most now | [11:37] |
| DianaComan: | from my point of view, don't click any of them, don't care either way | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo... 13 grass q 822 from small | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently stick smalls give better q than basic tool ? | [11:39] |
| danielpbarron: | mega-unsurprise | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow i found an ae accidentally in the grass place | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | how the fuck ? i mined this a thousand times | [11:45] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah how have you not seen thatyet | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 eggs, q 575 | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | nnnnnuts. | [11:46] |
| danielpbarron: | smack dab inbetween the grass really | [11:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i have that spot mapped out quite well | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i dunno, never saw it b4. | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | now to see what 1 grass does when cft. | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 13* | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | q822 grass -> q509 cft! | [11:48] |
| DianaComan: | aha, goody | [11:49] |
| DianaComan: | well, if you get enough of that grass I mean, lol | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so there's quite the diminishing returns eventually. | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan the grass came from q 380 cft. | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this does it, ima craft up my stash of q 1000 grass. | [11:49] |
| DianaComan: | but with a cs, right? | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [11:50] |
| DianaComan: | aha | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i got feelings q 509 too | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | now this IS pretty epic. | [11:50] |
| DianaComan: | he he, quite strong feelings there | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | q1k grass - >q 564 cft. | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | and some pretty epic feelin's | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so q1000 grass makes q 564 cft. | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and q 564 cft in cs small makes... | [13:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | 9 grass q 1026! WOOT! | [13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems i get 9-10 grass pretty much consistently. that's say 9 * 60 * 10.26 = 5540.4 per claim. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile it costs 20.2k for the stick and 7 × 180 × 5.64 = 7106.4 for the grass, so ouch. | [13:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand a coupla q 853 snails. | [14:05] |
| DianaComan: | meanwhile I just started it on a US with a huge q bundle - if I don't get any sentiments, it means that Foxy really lacks sentimentality all together or something | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch and just ONE snail now. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is pretty evil. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3,5k worth, but still. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan considering that i have huge stores of tpt, would you consider subcontracting the charcoal production to me ? | [14:34] |
| DianaComan: | hmmm, not really sure what benefit I have in that really; prolly better off buying the tpt if it comes to that | [15:05] |
| DianaComan: | will think a bit about it, but atm and on the spot I can't quite see a lot for it | [15:06] |
| DianaComan: | it's also mcguyver in which iirc we are quite close re q | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | o brother, 100k tools =45 eps | [16:29] |
| Birdman: | what do you mean | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | that i burned about 100k worth of tools, and got 45 snails | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | like 25k if that. | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty! so when do i buy some bod off you ? :D | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 2x25288 ICH + 1x29832 ISP, opening 150k ; 1 ATC, q 130, opening 500k ; 1 NGC, q 130, 500k heard danielpbarron . eta 13:00 ART | [16:58] |
| DianaComan: | 500k on the atc, 600k on ngc | [17:01] |
| DianaComan: | thought you were off auctions, lol | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | 700k on the atc, 150k on the ICH+ISP | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | 630k ngc | [17:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 2x25288 ICH + 1x29832 ISP, 150k Birdman ; 1 ATC, q 130, 700k Birdman ; 1 NGC, q 130, 630k heard danielpbarron . eta 13:00 ART | [17:04] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu> alrighty! so when do i buy some bod off you ? :D <- in a few days I guess; I already have done the first charcoal run, it's more that I got a bit sidetracked trying to actually click a consideration myself | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha! | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so this is fucking sad. if i match the cft to the lbn and use 1 cft per small, i DO get same quality product | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is eps 131 and grass 157 | [17:04] |
| DianaComan: | ofc | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | but fuck me it seems a worse waste than mixing qualities. | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | why? | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | you can match the cft the other way around | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | namely 7 lower q cft | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | it is a waste | [17:05] |
| DianaComan: | either way it is a waste of something: money, time, q , output | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. da fuck shall i do. | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | lock smalls, simple | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | not a bad idea huh. how i do that again ? | [17:06] |
| DianaComan: | and then spend your time building them manually, sure -> loss of time | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | course the bot can be reprogrammed to drop the table before building each claim | [17:06] |
| DianaComan: | as I said: choose the loss you are best with | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan very useful for tyhings where they're rare enough like eps | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not really that much of a waste of time if getting your hands on super high quality is the gaol | [17:07] |
| DianaComan: | I suppose so, but then if they are that rare, why the fuck not use either cs to get the stuff or otherwise if smalls are SO rare, wtf difference does it make | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah huh. | [17:07] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, if that's the goal, then use cs ffs | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | idk what your goal is | [17:07] |
| DianaComan: | but sure: the bot is free to change, it can be done | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, im definitely digging up sb overnight ; will make myself some pps. | [17:07] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, it's been shown that claims from cs give you higher q, so then when you say your goal is to get high q, then logically it follows one would rather use cs than tools | [17:08] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu, don't you get overweight quickly on sb ? | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | the change to make smalls lock is very simple | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | one liner | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | sure | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan remark | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | also makes tinies lock | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | ugh, you can make it equally simple to lock only what you want really | [17:10] |
| danielpbarron: | yep, just have bits on you and it won't lock tinies | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | .... | [17:10] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, for some reason, you are now switching the thing onto how simple it is to modify the bot for this, lol; it is simple, yes; not that the topic though | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo, q 101 bundle, adze 10364 | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | which seems like q 110 or so | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | hi pigeons | [21:47] |
| pigeons: | hi | [21:50] |
| danielpbarron: | ready to play? | [21:56] |
| pigeons: | not yet | [22:04] |
| pigeons: | gott download, etc | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | pigeons o.O | [22:56] |
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