| mircea_popescu: | http://planetofdreams.info/index.php?board=14.0 some pretty weird shit. | [02:00] |
| diana_coman: | <DicePower> Foxybot doesn't work at all on Windows? <- it works in fact, it's just that it needs to be bundled up properly with the client; given the error Birdman listed, it's just a matter of updating the .xml file for the widget | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, heh, no bp sale, no, updated shoppe http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/ | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, what tool did you use for those 30 rf claims? | [04:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems now i'm well stocked on apron lints o.O | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, danielpbarron I'm willing to sell 1 turning wheel bp q166 + 1 petrified bubble (needed to make the wheel) q100; base values are 39654 and 43136 respectively; minimum price at which I'm willing to part with those 2 things though is 10mn seeing how I paid 45mn for one single bubble; let me know if interested | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just want the bp | [08:44] |
| diana_coman: | do you have a bubble or planning to get one from the auction? | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well dunno yet. | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but so far i'd like teh bp. | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | hm, now you make me wonder if making a bp requires having a bp as a kind of copy-process, lol | [08:50] |
| diana_coman: | through bouq and etc but still | [08:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah. | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | not yet, at any rate. | [09:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Thanks everyone | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | You already know that I don't touch the money you spend to purchase PODC, I wait till you spend those PODC then I can take them out as revenue, the revenue I get helps me continue on the development without worrying about real life, when you purchase a Golden stars bag, you allow me to take out those money instantly as revenue and in the same time you will get back those money at a later date, we still need more bag purchases | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | as fast as possible, if you have enough PODC in your account to purchase more bags after setting aside enough to cover your playing expenses for some time, then you should definitely purchase more bags, you don't have to wait till you fill the Flapping wings you have already, if you are not planning to withdraw those PODC any time soon, then it is better to purchase more bags with those PODC now than keeping them in your accou | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | nt, that way you lose nothing and in the same time you are making the game evolves faster." | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | does this sound nonsensical to anyone else ? | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | wtf is that -makes my head hurt | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | I *think* I could decode it but ... | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically, my understanding at this point is : there's a guy in egypt, who is competent enough with computers to have found a game engine, not competent enough with business to sort a three accounts plan and also not competent enough with computers to know wtf linux is. | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | this would suggest self taught. | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | this fellow also doesn't know what bitcoin is, or what the fundamental problems with paypal are (this probably on account of being obscure, but he wouldn't know). | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | lol, wanted to say that it sounds like he is in fact probably ok, just not really knowing much about accounting + now begging the players in a bit of a weird way for some reason | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | he then proceeded to try and make an economy-based game, and is taking real cash from players, but due to the earlier stated business ignorance has no fucking idea what is what, confuses profit and cost and unearned income and everything else liberally. | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | the end result of which being that he will end up scamming, without actually meaning to. | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing: at first it sounded like a scam; then decoding it made me think he probably doesn't mean to | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman it is impossible for his thing to stand because he manifestly doesn't understand the subject enough to keep the categories clean. | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, chances are he'll end up in a big mess | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so NECESSARILY a positive feedback loop will form somewhere, and in all homeostatic systems, pfl = death. | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | or in an alternative formulation, a random connection of nodes that are ambiguously defined necessarily will result in cyclical graphs, which are uncomputable. | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | ironically his best move would be to sell out, before he sours the small community he's built ; but this is likely to be his least favoured option subjectively. | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problems of people. | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | or to find and team up with someone who knows business and is willing (ahem, if at this stage they'd still be ) to sort out the mess before it hits the fan or something | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | nevertheless, THIS is the fundamental, deep reason fiat economy works as it does. a) paypal beheading people as they grow UNLESS they go through the sanctioned corporation movements is precisely an odds play : odds are, says paypal, correctly, that you're doing what he is doing and don't do that. | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | b) the whole "the point is to sell out to VCs" thing idem : the only way your thing is valuable is because you've not fucked it up yet, sell it now while it's still worth something | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose he really just doesn't even begin to realise what trouble he's likely to be in | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | a point eerily reminiscent of joe pesci's outro in casino. | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "But it turned out to be the last time that street guys like us were ever given anything that fuckin' valuable again." | [09:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose the best construction is that he's an aborted sales guy who ended up pressured into taking up programming to "make something". because he's clearly worthless as a programmer, but he did built SOMETHING. overall a better situation than the reverse (which also explains why salespeople are more inclined to learn to code than coder people to learn to sell) | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | in that case though I kind of don't get why is that message written in such a diarrhoea style really | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | might be just that I've been reading code most of this day so far and I'm possibly biased re structure of messages, lol | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | nobody understands salesmen. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's fundamentally an unstructurable activity, which is why it attracts different people than engineering or medicine. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | (formally - given a string A, a string B and a demographic, it is an intractable problem for you to calculate whether A > B or not for any measure you define that involves specific performance) | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | but does that sound like a good sales pitch in any way? | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | to whom ? | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | to his community | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | that's what matters I'd say, no? | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can trivially create a demographic for which it does : | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | "the people who look for a sales pitch that diverges from what diana_coman thinks is a good sales pitch" | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | he is specifically addressing his community there | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this is no argument - that community is selected somehow. | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | the players who already have bought those podc or whatever | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you understand why spam emails work [when they do] ? | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | that they select for stupid people in the first place? | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup. | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | not even stupid per se. tolerant of specific things. | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you mean that the community is already a fit for his sales "style" hence win | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | possibly | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that's why it took me so long to write that- I was searching for a better word than stupid and still not found it | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | well broadly speaking i'm just saying that you can't reason deductively on the basis of labels you put on items in nature | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | for the items precede the labels. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | what you call "his community" may be what i said above or a myriad other things. no way to know. | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's incomputable, which is why war is broadly unavoidable. "a large body of men assembled to rectify the mistakes of diplomats"... well not exactly. diplomacy necessarily breaks down, as per godel. | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | aactually... we have a trace on this story. was coded by a freelancer named sameh yosuf https://twitter.com/samehghays | [10:17] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Sameh Yosef (@samehghays) Twitter (at twitter.com) | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | who is a male, 37, single, and a SALES EXECUTIVE. http://iamtotallydesperate.com/?q=user/18411 | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron plox drop a message @that asking him if he's involved in this planet of dreams thing | [10:18] |
| danielpbarron: | done | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | aha sales; lol executive | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know that seinfeld episode when elaine points out "i am an associate" | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the cafeteria waitress chimes in that so is she ? | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | is rubbish in the visual arts/entertainment area | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | but I saw that for real, lol | [11:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i watch seinfeld almost every night; still syndicated over here :D | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have it digitized. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly only sitcom i ever liked. | [11:23] |
| jurov: | DicePower: it should work, what's the problem? | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone else got variouas ladle handles ? | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | so diana_coman / q researchers : tinkering 154 ; l 410 cooking q 149 ; l 410 mcguyver q 152 | [14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | i clearly get better results mcguyvering than cooking, same everything. | [14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, crafting up all that q 200ish grass i was keeping in storage sure is fucking pleasant. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess ill be back to mining! | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron ^ seems it worked eh. | [14:29] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, I got an email from one and a twitter reply from the other | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb. | [14:43] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> so diana_coman / q researchers : tinkering 154 ; l 410 cooking q 149 ; l 410 mcguyver q 152 <- what tink level is that at? | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 803 | [15:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 805* actually. not that it makes a difference | [15:29] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, what tool did you use to get those 30 rf claims? | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, it's more for my records and any future analysis, thanks | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean, 803... 805, still i get same tink q | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | well, technically speaking it's not exactly the same | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | kind of 154.3 vs 154.5 or whatever | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | but practically same, true | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah no way to measure in tinkering. | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | oh, mircea_popescu do you want 2 more stacks of grass to make into cft? | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | q5 | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | ah, no bps | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | drat | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd take it, just... not selling the cft :D | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaha | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | jingles his coins... i hear there's an auction coming... ppls need moneyz yes ? | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | actually there is a way to approximate it ok, namely note when you get a new level, how many in between, divide, there | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i tried that and it doesn't work for shit. | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | not that it is constant! | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | funny, it works well for hanbot. but not really for me. | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | you mean it works at lower levels? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | or did you compare at same levl? | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently. | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, she's lower. | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | well, at lower levels the intervals are more like "every 2 levels -> +1 q point" | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2s, or 3s, ro something | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, well, no need to do anything there basically | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | I'm still curious with this mining re grocery as mining keeps growing at that "weird" rate compared to grocery | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | no idea why is that or whether it will stop abruptly and get stuck for ages | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | but the trouble is double there because 1. ran out of pickaxes 2. it's fucking stubbornly neg | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | mining ? | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so use cs. | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | how does that help exactly on the long term? | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | or what, only cs | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're out of cats, eat dogs! | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | and monkeys if you have no plate either :p | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman: basic hoes / i think the training price, and q increases per level are effected by competition in that skill line. Less miners means better results at a certain level than for something else like tinkering? | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | aha, so we had barehand/basic hoes/imp hoes | [16:46] |
| Birdman: | heh | [16:46] |
| Birdman: | probably shoulda used the same method | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know about the competition re training prices - don't even know if training price varies as it were, since I haven't seen anyone else's data on this | [16:46] |
| Birdman: | well my higher gathering level costs less to train than my tinkering, and i always felt it was because there was much less exp in gathering relative to tinkering | [16:47] |
| Birdman: | was just a theory | [16:47] |
| Birdman: | no interest in those lbn huh? | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | is it because i didnt start it at the bv adjusted for q? | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I don't see that on building/gathering where I can compare | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmm, i suppose i should make a batch of clogs huh | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, what is that again? | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | what lbn are you selling and at what price? | [16:48] |
| Birdman: | auction of 9999 lbn q 53 and 3930 q 56 starting 570k | [16:49] |
| Birdman: | and dan bid 570k | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well because it's kinda confusing. so you selling a total of 13929 lbn ? | [16:49] |
| Birdman: | yes, at those qualities | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | was just figuring out what's in there; 600k for the total 13929 lbn | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. i dun want lbn atm - i have decided i shall go out and mine my remarkables. | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 grass + 1 tpt. | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | ooo, do tell what you get | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | 600k heard diana_coman, ends in 6 hours | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly a huge pile of grass enough to wipe my remainder bps, at any rate. | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | don't they take double distillates or do you have those? | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | Noticed it said bouqanists will be looting bps with certain crafts, not crafting bps themselves | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | 630k | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well it's a process, will take me a while. but it's why i don't want lbn right now. | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have the stuff for the grass ready, anyway. | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you want the recipes before they'\re used up ? | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | cft recipes you mean? | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | nono, the content of remarkable enums | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | for your site | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | lemme check what I have, 1 min | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got sb, cdg, tpt and sm | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | sb needs the wdd | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | have the grass, need the tpt for sure | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | I have grass, wm, sr, bn, pss | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | tpt is : 23 btk-b 2us 22 fcs 24 st ouch 17 tlc scs 3pn 16 eps 5sb 3 wwb | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | which i got all of . | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | especially ouches | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | noted | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | sb is : 3 wdd 11 bf 26 bng 3 scs ddl 43 tlc ouch 4 dcs 38 sb 3 sg 2 lh 2sm 4 b f cdg | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | got that, will add, thanks | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | sm is : 3 us rdd 23 gt 3 so 11 fcs 6 pcs 7 tlc 16 pss 2 f nt 6 sb b | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | want eps ord too ? | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | or tpt ? | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i know that one by heart | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey DicePower check out the crazy economy in eulora :D | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | pointy slag 4 tubers 2 boulders 14 beans 3 snails.. and a solid branch? | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | oh and a beetle | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | the eps ?! | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | thorns ord | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | neah, the ordinaries I have | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | pcs md 3eps 14 bb 4 nt sb 2b | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | nailed it :D | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | missed the beetle yo | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | ahem.. | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh nm :D | [17:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many of these did you dig up lol | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | a lot | [17:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess my lumberjac exclusive wasn't really worth 25mn in the end huh | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you have any high q wm? | [17:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, i want sometoo i think. what q do you shroom ? | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | shrooms is not so easy | [17:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | even with sticks ? | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what is GT? | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | grubsilk thread | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | they need shed snakeskins | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you have it as gst ? | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | are ss still not found ? | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | ah, yes, thread | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i know where it is, but it's still very expensive | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | ss is found but as danielpbarron says: a pain to get | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i should have Birdman find me an ord of it though | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe the ord is easy to build (i doubt it though!) | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaha, nope | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | get a remarkable, be safe. | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | ^^ | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | then you know for sure it's a pain to build, no need to wonder. | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | you'll spend a bunch of cs on it for sure | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | well he bought it by the 100s | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | wait so you know what a snakeskin ord takes, diana_coman ? | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not on your list | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, he can get about 50 ss ords on that with a noob :D | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol so basically the hammers hanbot sold give mining don't they. | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | heh, there is SOME info that I did not rush to make public yo | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i know another way to get snakeskins but it's even more expensive i'm afraid | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so diana putin has been cornering the resource market on the sly, she got grocery and mining nao. | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | in any case snakeskin is mining so dunno if anyone gets it higher q than me atm | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman what q do you get it ? | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i can make quality 135ish snakeskin | [17:07] |
| Birdman: | 630k heard danielpbarron, will also be afk so feel free to bid, will monitor the log | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | either of you selling ss ? | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, from mining you mean or from the altar? | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | 136q mircea_popescu | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha check them out, neck in neck :D | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | outbid each other to sell me a cheap 1k ss! | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | let's just say my snakeskins don't get a crafter mark ;) | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | looool | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | 900c each ? | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D ? :D :D ?? | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | and anyway if i had snakeskins i'd use them on shroom ords obviously | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | so get them! | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | sometimes i go and waste sticks to get smalls for this purpose | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you just buy the line to sit on it omaigerd!!11 | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | I don't care about the crafter mark or how you get them even, I just wanted to know whether you build mining stuff at 135q | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, who's sitting on what? | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | I mine all day AND night, lol | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | well i rushed into sacrificing at first and it cost me dearly so i'm pretty jaded on just using things up | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | rabble! scandal! | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | but not ss fgs | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, well when you build claims, you get a crafter mark, no? | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | sometimes? | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | you haven't noticed why not always? | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't actually keep an eye on the crafter mark, must say | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | loot doesn't get a craftermark | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, but the difference in q loot vs built is 1 from what I saw | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | never saw some bigger diff | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | so I considered it together really build = output+loot | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | the 'output' has your mark, the 'loot' doesn't | [17:11] |
| danielpbarron: | and depending on what order they fall into your inventory, one will overpower the other | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | so sometimes you'll come back to town with a crafter mark, and sometimes not | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | unless you go out of your way to keep them separate in a table or something | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | 675k on the lbn | [17:14] |
| danielpbarron: | 709k | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | 750k | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | 788k | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | 825k | [17:16] |
| danielpbarron: | 867k | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | they are yours danielpbarron | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | finally birdman makes an auction that's a hit | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | thanks the gods he said something, poor birdman | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | and w00t | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | i need them | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | good for you | [17:18] |
| diana_coman: | I need them too, but not *that* badly | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | should make a decent profit for him somewhere in there. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | just completed his third stack of numina stuff. ftw! | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | lbn is numina too, lol | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | which are known so far ? i got petrified tinkerer feelings ; apron lint, various ladle handles | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah and library mites. | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | and dusts. | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | hasn't been tinkering much | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lapidary ? | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | ah true, it gave me something, what was it, lol | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | gemdust? | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically i got l1 and l2 cooking/bouq and l1 tinkering. o wait, and brave man nose hairs. l1 mcguyver | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha! | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | I prolly have the basic numina from all the lines or something | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | only you o.O | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, possibly | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i have a question for the esteemed playerbase re future development. | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is this well known scam, the dollar auction. | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was specifically designed to show how independent players following rational choice theory make ultimately irrational decisions. | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm half thinking to put a npc in game which offers 1 of rare items on auction, lets people bid. | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | is that the thing where you pay per bid? and you can only bid in very small amounts? | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, 1st and 2nd have to pay. 1st gets the item. | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | ouch | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's fucking evil, in and of itself. petrified bubble shows up or something... mind the rail. | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically my question reduces to "how masochistic are you lot ?" | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | couldn't two players just agree to split it or something? | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | lol, on the bubble thing the trouble was that the value was unknown and that at the time I had no idea that the line was still empty | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron they could. the only reasson this is not a scam per se is because of the unique atmosphere cultivated in eulora (ie, strong identities etc) | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but just as they could, they could not. | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | but otherwise yeah, I'd either reach some agreement or not get into it above some very (and I mean very) low threshold of what I'd lose if someone outbids; think 5c for the dollar thing, lol | [17:27] |
| danielpbarron: | right like "i'll outbid you unless you agree to pay me back for my bid" | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | (two players in confederation is not a stable solution - they just become one player for the purpose of this thing, any passer by can fuck them) | [17:28] |
| danielpbarron: | right but at that point the price is so high nobody can be bothered | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, this all depends. | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the plus side, i do want to add a little "buy items into game" valve, but not too much. so something like 1 item bv > 10k / week or such would be perfect for this role. | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | it should be possible to find this bubble thing through gathering? | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. it was mining iirc | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | just like you know, it should have been possible to loot an altar bp, just nobody did. and so on. | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | bubble is mining yes, so my understanding is that one can find it through mining but you know, anyone found canines yet? | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | they are ALSO mining and cheaper than the bubble and still | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've never found 'em. or even ST , and i did a bunch of lj | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho possibly not as much as danielpbarron | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey what q do you get on lj now ? | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | less than 100 | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | wistfully recalls the days he got close to 200 | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what is scs and ddl ? | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | dolce de leche and sharp clump of slag | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, kk, thanks | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | SCoS | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | scos, bagat, tot un drac. | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | da' unul pronuntabil macar! | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | added all the mining recipes (incl ord ss which I actually mixed up with the dm - it's not that bad in fact) | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/MiningRecipes.txt | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | will get one day to port over the mining stuff to the script and link it in with all the rest - one day | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | what'd be nice would be pages like for the other recipes | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | with bill of material etc | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, a graph like for V stuff also | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | if I just port it over, the rest is done automagically | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | so yes, there'd be what they are used in etc | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | bill of materials | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | a graph ahem | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | I toyed a bit with a text-graphic thing for the tinker tree :))) | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | oh, 27 eggs in 62 hits, not totally horrible | [17:47] |
| danielpbarron: | oh huh, yeah those are totally buildable | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd rather buy the results of someone else's though | [17:58] |
| danielpbarron: | my how things change >> http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-12-28.log.html?#t17:24:04 | [18:38] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-12-28 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron cRAZY huh! | [19:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, in other news, i finally almost dug myself from out a pile of craftables, so. | [19:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw jurov still selling craft tablerecipes ? | [23:13] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron come grab your luxurious prize! | [23:13] |
| danielpbarron: | k i am in town | [23:15] |
| Birdman: | That went better than expected, may shred some more if i can get my hands on some shredding instructions | [23:17] |
| Birdman: | enjoy | [23:21] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [23:21] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu do you need cft bps? | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much what q how many etc | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | is making 150 tuber milk. ha-HA! | [23:50] |
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