#eulora Logs for 29 Jan 2016



January 29th, 2016 by Diana Coman
DianaComan: it costs him only some time really and not even that much at that [02:24]
DianaComan: <mircea_popescu> <diana_coman> how quickly do you really think mp can actually go through 200 stacks of bps? << if they're burned for lbn, pretty damned quick. i burned ~200k bps in half a day at one point. <- well yes, but the discussion was really about those used for crafting ; of course there will always be *some* bps that are needed anyway [02:26]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu, 185k on the samovar [02:32]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu> so you've made a profit of 67.7 per slag, it is true (which neatly comes to half your q increase times slag bv, ie 677 * .2 / 2 = 67.7), but it takes you however long to click this. <- true, that's why the numbers are all there, so that one can consider the profit brought by tinkering alone or the overall one, as they want [02:34]
DianaComan: I thought it was clear, but might add a note to make sure I suppose [02:34]
danielpbarron: 195k samovar [02:35]
DianaComan: 200k samovar [03:05]
Birdman_: 215k on MS [03:30]
DianaComan: wow, I'll end up making my own samovars at this rate [03:45]
DianaComan: updated shop with bps both low q and high q http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/ [04:20]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu, ^ [04:20]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan now he gets them has no bearing on whether they're free. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: labourer gets his hands for free as part of his childhood, still doesn't make them free. [10:51]
DianaComan: uhm, very very cheap since 2 clicks max = 1k resources [10:51]
DianaComan: strictly speaking not free, true [10:51]
mircea_popescu: you gotta count in opportunity costs. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: they cost him exactly what it costs anyone else. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental idea of capitalism : that if you consume a unit of toothpaste, irrespective of HOW you got it, [10:52]
mircea_popescu: you consumed the market value of one unit of toothpaste. [10:53]
DianaComan: so that is in there already, not sure I follow what you mean; it's in there where I say the added value that tinkering makes [10:53]
mircea_popescu: right. [10:53]
DianaComan: it's really for that reason that I even use current market value rather than base value [10:54]
mircea_popescu: aha. [10:54]
DianaComan: because currently that is what he consumes basically, regardless of base value [10:54]
DianaComan: That is likely to change at some point, sure [10:54]
DianaComan: anyway, fwiw I intended it as a starter thing - I hope people make their own calculations really, don't just blindly follow that [10:55]
DianaComan: and btw, as I said yest too: I am the first to say that all that there is quite obvious and nothing spectacular, but somehow it still doesn't seem it was clear since nobody really seem to have acted on that from those with middle-lower skills really, so I still think it needed to be written [10:58]
mircea_popescu: did you get harried or something ? ain't nobody sayin' it doesn't need to be written. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: 1 MS, d 132k, 215k heard birdman ; 25 AW, q 147, 1.75mn heard danielpbarron . delivery eta 11h00. [11:00]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu, I have 12154 grass q5 and q7, will you make it cft? [11:05]
mircea_popescu: sure, but eta monday-ish. [11:05]
DianaComan: is it better than to just leave it for Sunday or something as I should be able to get more by then? [11:06]
mircea_popescu: kk [11:07]
hanbot: 1.9M on current batch of mircea_popescu's aw. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: 1 MS, d 132k, 215k heard birdman ; 25 AW, q 147, 1.9mn heard hanbot . delivery eta 11h00. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 622405 [12:12]
fghj: anyone interested in 3,6k flotsam q5 or 8,5k crumbly rocks or 48 inferior boulders q6? [13:34]
fghj: rocks q5 [13:42]
mircea_popescu: sure. [13:50]
mircea_popescu: i'll take both f and cr [13:50]
fghj: cool [13:50]
fghj: are you buying for prices listed on your second shop of horrors? [13:51]
mircea_popescu: yeah, q5 gets you .8 * 88 for F and .8 * 73 for cr [13:52]
danielpbarron: 2 mn the wine [13:52]
mircea_popescu: 1 MS, d 132k, 215k heard birdman ; 25 AW, q 147, 2mn heard danielpbarron . delivery eta 8h00. [13:52]
fghj: 253440 for flotsam and 496400 for rocks. total 749.84 ? [13:56]
fghj: last one in thousands lol [13:57]
mircea_popescu: cool. [13:57]
fghj: do you trade me or drop it next to you? [13:57]
fghj: *I drop [13:58]
mircea_popescu: you trade me :) [13:58]
mircea_popescu: drop it, trade, pick it up, put it in [13:58]
danielpbarron: are there still any skill items for sale? [13:59]
danielpbarron: and i don't mean books [13:59]
mircea_popescu: as in books ? [13:59]
mircea_popescu: ah. i might have some, i'll have to look [13:59]
danielpbarron: like.. tape? [13:59]
mircea_popescu: accept is bottom left sack like button fghj [14:01]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [14:01]
fghj: nice doing buissness lol [14:02]
danielpbarron: heh tinkering ranked up while doing low quality branches, and i'm shocked (tm) [15:24]
mircea_popescu: lol wd [15:24]
danielpbarron: and in the "nothing in eulora is linear" department, the cost to pay for training on tinkering has been going steadily down for me since rank 463 [15:28]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool when that happens huh [15:29]
hanbot: 2.1M on yonder wine [15:56]
danielpbarron: 2.21 [15:57]
hanbot: also, wtb: highq wwb, dcs, f, 100 of each [15:57]
hanbot: 2.4M for the wine [15:57]
danielpbarron: 2.52 [15:58]
mircea_popescu: 1 MS, d 132k, 215k heard birdman ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.52mn heard danielpbarron . delivery eta 6h00. [15:58]
DianaComan: hanbot, I seem to be the main gatherer and surely the highest builder, so if it's high q resources, just place the order [16:10]
DianaComan: I have 100 wwb 139q no problem [16:10]
hanbot: DianaComan great, will buy those. have any flotsam? [16:11]
DianaComan: I just ate it all basically, but I'll get more by tomorrow [16:11]
hanbot: kk [16:11]
DianaComan: dcs is mining, hence not really my thing, but I can part with 20 dcs 117q at 135\% as per shop if that helps you out(the wwb is 125\%) [16:12]
hanbot: i just started a cs dig but will be in town soon, can ping me when you're around for the wwb. i'm going to try finding some dcs myself. [16:13]
DianaComan: I'm in town, so ping me when you get there [16:13]
DianaComan: will hang around for half an hour or os [16:13]
hanbot: can trade now [16:25]
hanbot: DianaComan ^ [16:26]
DianaComan: I'm in a craft, half-way, so that's 380 seconds to go, lol [16:26]
hanbot: np [16:28]
DianaComan: hanbot, ready [16:32]
hanbot: what do i owe ya? [16:32]
DianaComan: 24500 [16:32]
DianaComan: 100*1.25*1.39*14 [16:32]
DianaComan: uhm, one zero less [16:33]
hanbot: call it good ;) [16:33]
DianaComan: that's all change I have [16:33]
DianaComan: enjoy [16:33]
hanbot: thanks :) [16:33]
DianaComan: do you want the 20dcs too or not? [16:33]
hanbot: nah, ty tho [16:34]
DianaComan: np [16:34]
DianaComan: hanbot, I have 100 flotsam 178q if you are still around [17:51]
hanbot: flotsam covered, ty! [18:04]
danielpbarron: DianaComan, got leather? [19:12]
DianaComan: yes danielpbarron, I have some; how much do you want? [19:12]
danielpbarron: 1k [19:12]
DianaComan: let me check [19:13]
danielpbarron: or any amount under that [19:14]
DianaComan: 1k available 138q [19:14]
DianaComan: danielpbarron, do I take it out? [19:14]
danielpbarron: yes [19:15]
danielpbarron: 26 at a time, ouch [19:17]
danielpbarron: you must be carrying something else; that's just crazy [19:18]
DianaComan: yeah, nearly there though [19:18]
DianaComan: enjoy [19:19]
danielpbarron: thanks! [19:19]
Birdman_: Is there enough interest in low q cft to auction it [19:42]
danielpbarron: i would buy [20:04]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan how much leather you got actually ? [21:02]
mircea_popescu: ahhh i remember the days of yore when i had the only smallish stores of cr in game [21:50]
mircea_popescu: now i look down on these piles of cr... ahhh [21:50]
Birdman: so how many chairs for the head do i need to get to the moon? [22:37]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, got tuber tea? [22:45]

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