| mircea_popescu: | mmm i could sell you some bps but for cash | [00:17] |
| Birdman: | only one i need to buy are neckerbockers | [00:28] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, omw to town if you're still around | [00:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya hit me danielpbarron | [00:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios. | [00:34] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [00:34] |
| Birdman: | anyone have dead molluscs for sale | [01:34] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, too late on the neckerbocker bps; it was 12 hours; still, I have another 500 set but of 7q | [02:23] |
| diana_coman: | clogs are available though, no problem | [02:23] |
| Birdman: | i'd gladly buy them | [02:23] |
| Birdman: | and those too | [02:23] |
| diana_coman: | do you need high q or low q molluscs? | [02:25] |
| diana_coman: | I have both, but I have to figure out a price | [02:25] |
| Birdman: | i may skip seeing as they're in short supply | [02:26] |
| Birdman: | was just thinking ill buy some if its the normal 25\% over | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, they are and they are difficult to get (I missed even with a cs and my high gathering ) | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, lol | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | then no | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I have 8 clogs; how many do you want? | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | how much per again? | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | also im pretty certain i'd just get a bunch of ords with cs if i had access to it | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | diana_coman Birdman, I still have 5 clogs for sale, q 26479, 39k each | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | missing once with a cs then hitting 20 in a row is still pretty good imo lol | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | from the logs, lol | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile found 3 more | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | then ill take all 8 | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, add to that a small on cs + 1 mollusc only from it | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | which instantly makes a mollusc worth...40k at least? not that I count it that way, but still | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | right, my gathering is apparently more valuable with cs | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | probably something to do with over craft | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | dpb only finds like q110 enums you know | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | oddly low | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | ok (and no, don't think so overall as it is very stable at exactly the base value of the input) | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | because of low building I suspect | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | what makes you think that? | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | my enums have always been higher q than his | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | I get them 135 now for instance | [02:31] |
| Birdman: | thats is definitely a crazy piece of information | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | so, you in town? | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | for clogs and neckerbocker | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | maybe it only effects hit rates? idk very weird | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you wanted some aw | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | ae | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | what'd you want for neckerbockers | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | and yeah but not much maybe 100 of them at a fair price | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | I think it also affects the odds on what you get out of claims | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahah | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | I don't have 100 ae | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | is that alot? lol | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | for mining as per shop 135\% | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/ | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | i get the same results from his claims to mine, i would assume building has everything to do with that | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | i dont see that showing you selling ae? | [02:33] |
| diana_coman: | Basic items and most Grocery items go for 125\% of base value adjusted for quality, while mining and lumberjack items go mostly for 135\%. The rarer items (such as Dead Molluscs, Shed Snakeskins) go for considerably more due to the costs involved in actually mining them. | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | I did not really list the mining as I don't focus on that | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | hence also why I don't really have much | [02:35] |
| Birdman: | ill buy however much you'd sell of the ae then | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | 30 ae, 117q | [02:35] |
| Birdman: | price on neckers? | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | the neckerbocker bps mhm, I'll let them go for 30k the lot of 500 | [02:36] |
| Birdman: | whats the bv on those | [02:37] |
| diana_coman: | ugh Birdman will you read the logs ? | [02:38] |
| diana_coman: | 59 | [02:38] |
| Birdman: | i checked eulorum, not gonna dig through logs to find it though | [02:38] |
| diana_coman: | well, if not gonna dig, then you don't need it | [02:38] |
| Birdman: | ill take em | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | ok, you in town? if not, I'll be around in 1.5 hours again | [02:39] |
| Birdman: | ill come now | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, gotta take the ae out as heavy | [02:42] |
| Birdman: | no prob | [02:42] |
| Birdman: | accept? | [02:44] |
| Birdman: | heh | [02:44] |
| Birdman: | thanks! | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy | [02:44] |
| danielpbarron: | getting linux would solve so many of your problems, Birdman | [02:45] |
| danielpbarron: | automating activings, grep'ing logs | [02:45] |
| danielpbarron: | activities even | [02:45] |
| Birdman: | just gonna pirate a decent macro | [02:45] |
| danielpbarron: | grep alone is reason enough to flee windows and never look back | [02:46] |
| danielpbarron: | this was in the b-a logs recently | [02:46] |
| Birdman: | there are just more pressing matters to deal with right now | [02:52] |
| Birdman: | are you in town danielpbarron | [02:59] |
| Birdman: | hey mircea_popescu i have some bps i need to sell, ran out of storage space so let me know if there are any you want | [04:58] |
| Birdman: | and i guess that goes for anyone else, too. | [04:58] |
| Birdman: | thoughts on eulora: show category capacity? | [05:05] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, it's 200 items in each category | [05:05] |
| diana_coman: | not much to show really | [05:06] |
| Birdman: | yeah but to show what you already have in it | [05:06] |
| Birdman: | obviously | [05:06] |
| Birdman: | x/200 | [05:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | mkay so post what you have. | [07:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, opening 1m ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.6m heard hanbot . delivery in 14h30. | [07:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so how much ae you got ? | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I'd still have ...14, lol | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | lolk | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | ae is mining | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah right. | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow it seems grocery. | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | I know, I kept wondering how come wpl is grocery but ae is not, lol | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | then again, who knows what those eggs really are | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | oh, do you still need 1k wwb to finish the first batch you needed? I lost track of the total | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: I have 1.2k wwb if you needed them now mircea_popescu | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually i want 491 specifically. | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | after which i'll be buying stacks. | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | no wait. 199 * 3 - 109 = 488 plox | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman | [08:27] |
| diana_coman: | we can even split berries, lol | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:28] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | nono, ty. | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. in the hopes that this batch has at least temporarily assuaged the folk's desperation for wine, ima move on to making FT. | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai http://dpaste.com/27H61GP and plox be more serious. | [09:22] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: dpaste: 27H61GP (at dpaste.com) | [09:22] |
| shinohai: | ty mircea_popescu will email that to myself fortwith. | [09:24] |
| shinohai: | \o/ finally a computer capable of rendering this game. Well worth the BTC. | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh, welcome shinohai | [09:31] |
| shinohai: | ty | [09:34] |
| jurov: | welcome shinohai! have you got basic skills? | [09:35] |
| shinohai: | Nope jurov I know nothing about all this xD | [09:35] |
| shinohai: | Here 2 learn | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, have you read the wiki ? | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora | [09:36] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [09:36] |
| shinohai: | starts reading, has never gotten past "Installation" before. | [09:37] |
| wyrdmantis: | shinohai you might want to include Foxybots in your installation. I mean, you must | [10:11] |
| wyrdmantis: | http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/11/16/foxybots-v1-2/ | [10:12] |
| wyrdmantis: | err maybe it's this the right one http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/14/foxybots-v1-3/ | [10:12] |
| shinohai: | thx wyrdmantis | [10:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai meet me in game ima give you a few things | [10:45] |
| shinohai: | kk one sec | [10:50] |
| shinohai: | Im in mircea_popescu how do I find you? | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha good q. im up on the hill here with foxy, by the two animated fruitboxes. | [10:52] |
| shinohai: | Well I'm definitely on some kind of hill, looking for fruitboxes | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | you'll see everybody else shinohai | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | also, try a /pos | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | to find your position | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | and then head to 174 57 159 | [10:54] |
| shinohai: | ok | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | hey, I can see you | [11:02] |
| shinohai: | I am at a craft table or something | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool, now trade me | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, but that's someone else's craft table, lol | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai gotta right click on me and choose the small pouch button | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, opening 1m ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.6m heard hanbot . delivery in 11h00. | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | accept button is bottom left | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy :) | [11:06] |
| shinohai: | Nice thanks :D | [11:06] |
| danielpbarron: | shinohai, what's your character's name? | [14:08] |
| shinohai: | danielpbarron: shinoa fores | [14:10] |
| jurov: | shinohai: want to buy some coppers for btc? | [14:21] |
| jurov: | (or any other stuff, there was even one euro transaction) | [14:22] |
| shinohai: | As soon as I can buy more BTC jurov, spent all I had on a computer to play eulora on xD | [14:22] |
| shinohai: | But - will need coppers it appears. | [14:22] |
| jurov: | oh, to start you need just few bitcents | [14:22] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, you can just earn some coppers | [15:00] |
| jurov: | yes? can i too? | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | can't you, jurov ? | [15:05] |
| jurov: | i seem to lose on everything | [15:05] |
| jurov: | except barehnded mining maybe | [15:05] |
| jurov: | and everyone is like "don't do that, then" | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, you know what? how do you lose exactly if you craft low q stuff into higher q? | [15:06] |
| jurov: | is it available? | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | you might want to read what I am writing on, lol; give me ~10 minutes | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha, just wehn i was worrying im running out of ft and cursing how i only get 1bp half of the time in spite of massive 70\% oc, | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | bam, 700 recipes | [15:10] |
| diana_coman: | heh, that's how it happens on ft for some reason | [15:11] |
| shinohai: | jurov I prolly got a few bitcents lemme get at you when I import all my old .dats, I'm only using realbitcoin now and my old stuff isn't compatible. | [15:14] |
| danielpbarron: | shinohai, i have work you can do that i'll pay for | [15:15] |
| shinohai: | Yeah danielpbarron as soon as I figure out how to do things, I gladly accept. | [15:16] |
| danielpbarron: | there's a mismatch here | [15:17] |
| danielpbarron: | you will learn to do things by working for me | [15:17] |
| shinohai: | kk | [15:17] |
| jurov: | i have some work too | [15:19] |
| lobbesbot: | News from dianacoman: Foxyâ\u0080\u0099s Musings on Click-Slaves vs Apprentices and Their Choices <http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/28/foxys-musings-on-click-slaves-vs-apprentices-and-their-choices/> | [15:27] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, you might want to read ^ | [15:27] |
| shinohai: | thx diana_coman | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | as always around here, don't take anyone's word for absolute truth, but it might still be useful | [15:28] |
| jurov: | the noob competition threat is complete figment of imagination, and i predict it will stay so for loong time | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | why is it a figment of imagination exactly? | [15:35] |
| jurov: | why not? | [15:36] |
| jurov: | so far *you* ask noobs to work with you, not the other way | [15:36] |
| diana_coman: | lol, so contradict what I say there and with some arguments | [15:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't | [15:36] |
| jurov: | why did you put together the piece then? | [15:37] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah noobs are still scarce and my advice is to not rush into ranking up | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | does it sound like I'm asking noobs to work with me there?? | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | or trying to get them to? | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: you are not actually contradicting so far any of the reasons I give there for that competition | [15:37] |
| jurov: | sure, not overtly :D | [15:37] |
| diana_coman: | as to scarce: birdman is selling bps because he ran out of space | [15:38] |
| diana_coman: | how quickly do you really think mp can actually go through 200 stacks of bps? | [15:38] |
| diana_coman: | lol @ not overtly | [15:38] |
| danielpbarron: | yes but birdman did that to himself | [15:39] |
| diana_coman: | my point is that it's not that difficult to overflow with both bps and resources in the end if one is focusing on this with a bunch of noobs | [15:39] |
| danielpbarron: | sure, that's not wrong | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | when it rains it pours | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | at which point what exactly are the noobs going to be needed for? | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | they are useful to get tons of resources and /or tons of bps | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | yes but then comes the 2 weeks where no noobs show up | [15:40] |
| jurov: | birdman ending up with so many bps he did not have to compete for at all.. confirms your point how? | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, so you say "you are safe to remain noob because ...people don't yet show up" | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | sure, today | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | I think I say there "longer term" | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, see above | [15:41] |
| danielpbarron: | in the long term players will die and lose their ranks and then what | [15:41] |
| diana_coman: | lol danielpbarron if you say that indeed it is best to be noob (this is what you are saying now) then everybody will be a noob! | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha | [15:42] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: i couldn't convince the artist who was 100\% getting paid to start using gpg | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | the most competition there can ever be in fact | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | well everyone isn't a noob | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i have exactly 1 useful noob for building | [15:42] |
| jurov: | can't imagine noobs would | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | and he's rarely on | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | well jurov that's already a different thing than you were arguing earlier; we can shift onto that aspect, but that's a different thing | [15:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i have these small claims saved up in my inventory that haven't been built in a couple weeks | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | so where are all the noobs | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | I can't comment on what you have or not, danielpbarron | [15:43] |
| jurov: | anyway, i seriously consider ditching grunding | [15:43] |
| jurov: | *grundin | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | but what you say is "NOW I don't have noobs, therefore it will be forever a lack of noobs" | [15:43] |
| diana_coman: | makes sense? | [15:43] |
| jurov: | not that's not what i say | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, i'm not saying you should do that | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | no jurov , that's what danielpbarron says | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | no it isn't | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | he already invested in training | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | don't half ass it | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> i have exactly 1 useful noob for building | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but the solution isn't degrading an elder c'mon | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | your argument for "no noob competition" is that NOW you don't have them | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | my argument is, don't rush into training | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | have a plan if you are going to train | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | like going to college | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | don't just do it because everyone told you to | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, have you run the numbers as to what you can pay for input resources to make a profit on making slag or something like that? | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, of course not, I'm not saying that anywhere, where did you read that? | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd hapily buy those quality 50 or wahtever craft ingredients, and i think diana_coman's point on ranking up tinkering makes sense | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | if anything, I even specifically say to keep building low for instance to still get loads of resources | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | keeping in mind that ranking up tinkering will hinder your ability to loot mcguyver and cooking blueprints | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but not hugely in fact | [15:46] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: see my slag run with mircea | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I am probably the only one with some data on how they affect one another | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, you overcrafted there, that's not what I am suggesting to you | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | quite on the contrary | [15:46] |
| jurov: | oh i did not publish that, i published numbers from imp hoes. | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | (uhm, have you actually read the post?) | [15:47] |
| danielpbarron: | did | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | <jurov> oh i did not publish that, i published numbers from imp hoes. <- I don't get it | [15:47] |
| danielpbarron: | you should not be making tools, jurov | [15:48] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm just barely in the range where it makes sense to do | [15:48] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: no that was mining i did not make them | [15:48] |
| danielpbarron: | oh | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, my post says simply: get low q basic resources and make simple stuff like slag and goop | [15:48] |
| danielpbarron: | oh well yeah, that's tricky | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | if you make it higher q, then you actually earn something | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | guaranteed earning in fact | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | no luck involved | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | by definition, lol | [15:49] |
| danielpbarron: | yep this is true | [15:49] |
| danielpbarron: | is currently making money out of nothing on solid branches | [15:49] |
| jurov: | anyway. if i'm going to make slag q 100 , who is going to sll me 5fl+3sr for less? | [15:49] |
| jurov: | noone. | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | in your case specifically the only thing is to figure out how to best get the basic resources low q seeing how you have sortage, so either get a noob or figure out what you can pay and buy them | [15:50] |
| danielpbarron: | if i had more noobs i could flood the market with low quality stuff | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | uhm jurov really; who the hell pays q100 for q7 flotsam? | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | there as danielpbarron says, lol | [15:50] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm actually sitting on stocks of low quality stuff | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | ^^^^ | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | me too for that matter and I plan (and will) get more | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, I'll sell it | [15:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i just don't like to sell out | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | but in any case jurov : you can get claims and have someone build them for you even | [15:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess jurov should be the one making this ppb and not me | [15:51] |
| danielpbarron: | altought that's a weird one, you guys keep saying you won't undercraft mcguyver for some reason | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | the reason there is mainly tool wear danielpbarron | [15:53] |
| danielpbarron: | toolkits aren't so scarce are they? | [15:53] |
| danielpbarron: | they don't need toves | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | but that's not an issue with the craft-table | [15:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess i'm biased because of my altar, the truely most limited thing there is | [15:53] |
| danielpbarron: | drives me to hapily pay 2x on wine | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | they don't, but they need tools, which are somehow still relatively scarce/a pain to make - and REALLY part of the reason why I am going to flood the bloody market with low q resources if nobody else does it already | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention that toolkits need...toolkit to make, lol | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | but main thing is tools there | [15:54] |
| danielpbarron: | oh really? | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | really to what? | [15:55] |
| jurov: | say i want to sell 1 slag for 840 . then i need 5fl+3sr+blueprint for < 840....calculating... | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | toolkit makes toolkit? wtf | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | yeah | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | that's incest or something | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | 1 slag for 840 ?? | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | heh, it's an opportunity of getting totally fucked up if you don't pay attention and wear down your last toolkit, lol | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, what's your quality? | [15:56] |
| jurov: | output q is 100, read | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | so you want 24\% about | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | he'd get in point of fact about 22 I think | [15:57] |
| jurov: | comes out as I need to source flotsam for <99, sr for <89 | [15:57] |
| danielpbarron: | that's no problem | [15:57] |
| jurov: | anyone selling low q at such price? | [15:57] |
| danielpbarron: | flotsam is 88 base | [15:57] |
| danielpbarron: | you'd buy for 98 ? | [15:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i am i guess | [15:58] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: at most | [15:58] |
| jurov: | so far noone offered | [15:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i can make that happen for sure | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | of course jurov ,even mp pays less than base for q7 | [15:58] |
| danielpbarron: | now we're talking | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | are you paying 98 q irrespective jurov ?? | [15:59] |
| danielpbarron: | that's how i read it | [15:59] |
| jurov: | no, because that was a threshold for being profitable at all | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | lol jurov , maybe just figure out first what mp pays and go a bit above that, lol | [15:59] |
| danielpbarron: | give me a number | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | (he doesn't pay base value for q7 more like 81\%) | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | but really now, do the calculations | [16:00] |
| danielpbarron: | this is actually kind of exciting | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I guess that thing needed to be written | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of thought it was obvious, but I guess not | [16:01] |
| jurov: | what was not obvious to me, is that heaps of low-q material is for sale | [16:01] |
| jurov: | i thought you gladly and quickly process it yourselves | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, if you need/want something, you need to shout and attach a price to it, lol | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | ha, there is no physical time to do it AND it's not even exactly what one wants all the time | [16:02] |
| danielpbarron: | well i've been burned many times by rushing into selling things so my inclination is to hold things close | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of know what you mean there danielpbarron | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | I struck a balance (or try to): first make some stocks, then sell | [16:03] |
| jurov: | since you menationed 81\%, would you sell sr for 64 and f for 71 coppers? | [16:03] |
| danielpbarron: | if i had a time machine blueprints I'd build it to go back and tell myself to not use my altar at all | [16:03] |
| jurov: | (any q) | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | I would jurov , I already did anyway, lol | [16:03] |
| jurov: | :/ | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | and for that matter I even have a few ks if you want to start straight away | [16:04] |
| jurov: | ok, please | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | ok, how much ? | [16:04] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, if you can figure out how to craft rickety reeds i can sell you stacks of that | [16:04] |
| jurov: | lolk | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | if one wants to see what something is useful for: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Rickety-Reeds.html | [16:05] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Rickety Reeds(rr) (at www.dianacoman.com) | [16:05] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: whatever you have | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | so congressional pulp I suppose, but you'd need to check if that's something that works well | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, let's say for a starters to give it a try, 5k flotsam and 3k sr? I'll always be willing to sell more if you want it afterwards, no worries of that kind | [16:06] |
| jurov: | yes i accept | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | ok, now give me some 15 minutes to take the bloody flotsam out, lol | [16:07] |
| jurov: | 5000*71+3000*64=547000 | [16:07] |
| danielpbarron: | in the future players will probaby bring light shiny rock to heavy flotsam markers and craft it in the field | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | even with the craft table method of transit, it doesn't solve the problem of moving it back out of storage | [16:08] |
| jurov: | only if no training needed | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | why i'm crafting ppb in the water | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i'd be shocked if i got even one rank up from this | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha danielpbarron that really is a good topic for a post, lol | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | my sortage dinged but it was on the verge from the shaped slag run i did | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | crafting ppb in water | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | (but yeah, I get what you mean) | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i do it right at the exploration marker | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | where it lets me move 22k stacks in one click | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | and yes i had multiple stacks in excess of 20k | [16:10] |
| danielpbarron: | 9999 is limit only when you try to make the stack; the game doesn't mind dumping greater amounts | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I noticed that too | [16:10] |
| danielpbarron: | oddly enough, the greater than 9999 stacks were the non-loot ones | [16:11] |
| danielpbarron: | and by that i mean, the 1 point higher quality one that appears in the marker | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, ready | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, 547k total | [16:21] |
| jurov: | ok, don't need change | [16:21] |
| jurov: | thanks! | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | you got it anyway, lol | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | you're welcome | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | being a noob is better right now than being halfway decent | [16:24] |
| Birdman: | well, being low level that is, doesnt always make you a noob | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | i'd rather have mp's tinkering that level 1 tinkering, but i'd rather have level 1 building than my building | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, don't mess up building with tinkering, lol | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | they are not quite the same in terms of what is good to have and what not | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | if i didnt need tinkering for bouq id rather level 1 in that as well | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | and for what reason | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | anyways, the reason noobing is so awesome is because there is a rich top tinkerer who has literally said he'd buy infinite of things | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | its just simple math, you get more the lower q you produce, and that sells for higher than its base value according to the game | [16:27] |
| Birdman: | so you literally make more money having lower q | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | that's not the point; you make more money NOW and while MP doesn't get overwhelmed basically | [16:27] |
| Birdman: | are you just trying to argue that this wont always be the case? | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | and then you are left with exactly 0 and in a way shittier place | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | but it's your choice really | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | because thats pretty obvious heh | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | I wrote my piece, read it, feel free to ignore it, not my trouble | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | seems i finally found a functioning macro, so now i have a crafting/training bot | [16:29] |
| Birdman: | see ya later, grass stacks! | [16:30] |
| danielpbarron: | 2.73 the wine | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu been meaning to ask, do you buy cordages as well | [19:43] |
| Birdman: | ? | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-26.log.html#t23:51:28 << you asked. | [19:46] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-01-26 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [19:46] |
| Birdman: | also bps i have for sale: ppb, cheap gin, aw, bms, basketcase, bernets, brews, nest&gin, ltf, bedroll, chair, tables, some of all basic tools, harness, wineskin, dulce, io, cheese, egnog, screwdriver, omelette, clogs, hauberks, flatbread, milk, tea, whisp tincture, mockasillies | [19:49] |
| Birdman: | lots of some little of others | [19:49] |
| Birdman: | and most common supp drafts | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill take the ppb, gin, aw, bms, tools, skin, ddl, io, cheese, clogs, milk, tea. | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, opening 1m ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.6m heard hanbot . delivery in 2h00. | [19:51] |
| Birdman: | <danielpbarron>2.73 the wine -< | [19:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh oh. oops. | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, opening 1m ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.73m heard danielpbarron . delivery in 2h00. | [19:53] |
| Birdman: | .7 bv @q100? | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | dawg this log. | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | more material than b-a | [19:54] |
| Birdman: | also see that i have pigments too | [19:54] |
| hanbot: | 2.8M for the aw. | [19:54] |
| hanbot: | wasn't there going to be a trade/auction bot? | [19:55] |
| hanbot: | in here i mean | [19:55] |
| danielpbarron: | 2.94 | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, opening 1m ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.94m heard danielpbarron . delivery in 2h00. | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08diana_coman\x08>\x08\x0F how quickly do you really think mp can actually go through 200 stacks of bps? << if they're burned for lbn, pretty damned quick. i burned ~200k bps in half a day at one point. | [20:05] |
| danielpbarron: | where are the bits? | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | speaking of which, pretty fucking incredible nobod ywants screens. i guess ima burn em myself. | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh they're long gone im sure. | [20:06] |
| danielpbarron: | and fine, 1 mn the screens | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | considering the table burns 1600 bps in one click, takes like half a minute... | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O why thankee kind sir | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, 1m heard danielpbarron ; 25 AW, q 147, 2.94m heard danielpbarron . delivery in 2h00. | [20:07] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe i can sell clicks to birdman or something | [20:07] |
| hanbot: | 3M on the wine. | [20:08] |
| Birdman: | yes/no on that price mp? | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman huh ? | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, 1m heard danielpbarron ; 25 AW, q 147, 3m heard hanbot . delivery in 2h00. | [20:09] |
| danielpbarron: | 3.15 | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, 1m heard danielpbarron ; 25 AW, q 147, 3.15m heard danielpbarron . delivery in 2h00. | [20:09] |
| Birdman: | sell the bps for .7bv at q100 | [20:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean they're q 70 ? | [20:11] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, you gotta read the logs | [20:11] |
| Birdman: | no | [20:12] |
| danielpbarron: | are you selling? then he's already offered bv + a percent so i don't know why you're trying to go UNDER | [20:12] |
| Birdman: | Oh, then let me check that out | [20:12] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [20:12] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of which and not that i'm gonna make a huge deal about it but i'm not sure if i got that extra \% on my blueprint trade the other day | [20:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i need to really really pour over the numbers BEFORE initiating trades | [20:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | well you can do it during also, wasn't a calc line in logs ? | [20:15] |
| danielpbarron: | you combine factors in a way that i don't so it's hard for me to follow | [20:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> (he doesn't pay base value for q7 more like 81\%) << not like it's a big mystery or anything, formula's well published. 7 + (7+154)/2 = 87.5 | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov> i thought you gladly and quickly process it yourselves << processing takes time, i've been whining about how i can't go mining because all this shit to craft, for months now. | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | this after paying whatever huge sum for lumberjack exclusive | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | but hey, in truth i did first build up major stores of eps etc. | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08jurov\x08>\x08\x0F only if no training needed << you have no idea, i need to make many k's of stuff to move my tinker | [20:18] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah seiously when i rank up tinkeing it's a special occassion fit for champagne or something | [20:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> crafting ppb in water << if it weighs the same as a duck, it's made of witch, and therefore a PROMISING BRANCH | [20:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | but in better news, im tinkering 799 | [20:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | so, ima have to invent a new book./ | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | Mircea's promissing scribblings | [20:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman> they are not quite the same in terms of what is good to have and what not << for the record, i enjoy my high elvel building. | [20:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron if you dig the line up i'll explain it. | [20:23] |
| danielpbarron: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-27.log.html#t17:53:32 >> 800 * 1.31 * 8824 + (354 * 1.16 + 115 * .97 + 3234 * 1.16) * 882 + (.93 * 476 + 1.27 * 144) * 980 = 13629942.46 | [20:25] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-01-27 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [20:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the first part is about the slag, nevermind that. | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | you had 354 bps which were q 96 maybe and so i paid 116 on, then 115 which were 77 and 3234 which were also 96 | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then 476 of a different type (basic tools ?) which were 73 and 107 so you got 93 an 127 respectively | [20:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | reasoning back from the numbers. | [20:27] |
| danielpbarron: | how do you get from 96 to 116 for example? | [20:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz extra 2\% | [20:28] |
| danielpbarron: | is that 2\% of 8824 * 1.54 ? | [20:30] |
| Birdman: | i big one million and one coppers for the WOS | [20:31] |
| Birdman: | bid* | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, but of 8823 | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | 8824* | [20:31] |
| danielpbarron: | then that's the difference we had | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [20:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought you meant ~your~ finished product | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah i meant bv finished product | [20:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose wasn't all that clear. | [20:32] |
| Birdman: | tell me when ready for bps mp | [20:32] |
| danielpbarron: | well in that trade it was a difference of 2 or 3 hundred k, so whatever, but good to know going forward if there's to be a more substantial trade | [20:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | go for it Birdman | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q are these things ? | [20:36] |
| Birdman: | heh one sec ill write it down | [20:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. anyway, i dun want the stuff under 100 bps anyway | [20:36] |
| Birdman: | i see | [20:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | more of a hassle to reweld them into storage than it's worth | [20:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean 100 items, not 100 q. | [20:37] |
| Birdman: | yeah, one sec | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | stacks of like 4 whatever | [20:37] |
| Birdman: | still want the tool bps though? | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [20:38] |
| Birdman: | bms q38, tools q35, ppb q32, io q34 | [20:38] |
| danielpbarron: | heh i'll just throw away these 99 altar blueprints (ha ha just kidding) | [20:38] |
| Birdman: | and have some worn tools for ya | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone loot altar bps yet ? | [20:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 157 * .58 * 159 + (130 + 30 +56) * .55 * 980 + 242 * .54 * 544 + 2000 * (14+28+9) =303992.46 | [20:40] |
| Birdman: | sounds good to me | [20:40] |
| danielpbarron: | imma go out on a limb and offer 1 million for 1 altar blueprint if anyone does have it | [20:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta owe you 700 | [20:41] |
| danielpbarron: | or consider it a bounty otherwise | [20:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd actually pay 50mn for the altar bp. | [20:41] |
| Birdman: | i absolve you of your debt mircea_popescu | [20:41] |
| danielpbarron: | pfshshh ok | [20:41] |
| Birdman: | thank you | [20:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [20:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's one thing you never get undercrafting - altar bps. | [20:44] |
| Birdman: | what you get loot while undercrafting? | [20:50] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [20:52] |
| danielpbarron: | but get this, you can get loot if input == output quality | [20:52] |
| danielpbarron: | when i was using quality 74 bits i would sometimes get an extra out of a tiny | [20:52] |
| danielpbarron: | (my build quality on non basics is 74) | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | or was at the time | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | but now that my bits are under that, i don't get loot anymore | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | which i prefer | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | it's annoying to get loot like that | [20:53] |
| danielpbarron: | makes the whole stack degrade for just one unit | [20:53] |
| Birdman: | interesting | [21:00] |
| Birdman: | wonder how it'd work out to only level up by your own means | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | have to wait for your own keys to turn to lbn before you can do anything | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | and if death is involved it'd be impossible | [21:01] |
| Birdman: | what is also strange is i always craft at 39 but eventually it degrades to 38 | [21:02] |
| Birdman: | the stack does i mean | [21:03] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah the loot does that | [21:06] |
| danielpbarron: | loot is always (in my experience) 1 point less than the non-loot | [21:06] |
| danielpbarron: | so if you have a 'degraded' pile, it means you got at least 1 extra item | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08danielpbarron\x08>\x08\x0F but get this, you can get loot if input == output quality << happened to me too. | [21:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | wouldn't the correct figure be 231×60 × 8 = 110k ? | [21:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not like the materials are free. | [21:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought that sounded like a big number | [21:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean yes he produces slag worth almost 900k in 8 hours, by your numbers. but he doesn't get to keep that whole thing, gotta pay supplier. | [21:29] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not impossible to make that much in a night's run, but i don't think mid-range crafters are gonna see it | [21:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah | [21:45] |
| danielpbarron: | oh well i think her math was assuming the crafter could get his hands on low quality at cost somehow | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | even so ? | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i can pull it off | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's try the math. so suppose you are a miner who makes flotsam and sr, q 10. now, your option is : either take 677 ecu worth of this material, and sell it for 677 * (.1 + (1.54 - .1)/2) = 555.14 | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | or else, turn it into slag q 30, which you can now sell for 677 * (.3 + (1.54 - .3)/2) = 622.84 | [21:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you've made a profit of 67.7 per slag, it is true (which neatly comes to half your q increase times slag bv, ie 677 * .2 / 2 = 67.7), but it takes you however long to click this. | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | so you see the profit as the difference between the two options, and not between the raw product and crafted product? | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | if we go by her 1440 slag in 8 hours, then it's 97488 ie about 100k profit. | [21:52] |
| danielpbarron: | actually that's also how i calulate my profits | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes ? | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you make 20 bux sucking cock and 30 bucks for half-n-half, fucking brought you 10 bux, is what it is. | [21:53] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | now 100k is nothing to sneer at, and especially because you actually get to keep your experience etc, so her argument is in principle sound, seems to me | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | just the numbers maybe a little off | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | it's easier to keep track of profits this way. you have the one profit that is for the mining, and another for the crafting | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | or else the equation get's stupidly complex | [21:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, the only thing disputable in all of this is that /2 factor | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | as more miners mine it is possible low q minerals go for less than that. as more crafters craft it's possible they go for more.\ | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | the difficulty in pricing will prolly ensure constant flux there, i guess. | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 WOS, d 595k, 1m heard danielpbarron ; 25 AW, q 147, 3.15m heard danielpbarron . << sold. | [22:00] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, birdman's 1 copper over bid didn't count? | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah what bs bids is that. | [22:01] |
| danielpbarron: | what's the min? | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, 5\%, something. | [22:02] |
| danielpbarron: | that's what I add but hanbot goes under | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 MS, d 132k, opening 175k ; 25 AW, q 147, opening 1.75mn . delivery eta 24h00. | [22:02] |
| danielpbarron: | 175k and 1.75mn here | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 MS, d 132k, 175k heard danielpbarron ; 25 AW, q 147, 1.75mn heard danielpbarron . delivery eta 24h00. | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron ready for the other set ? | [22:03] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i'm coming in a sec | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima log off for your tool just as soon as this craft's done. | [22:06] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | be ~3 mins i think | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ready danielpbarron ? | [22:10] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [22:12] |
| danielpbarron: | done | [22:13] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | my pleasure. | [22:13] |
| Birdman: | <mircea_popescu>nah what bs bids is that. << cant blame a guy for trying, was a bid knowing the only other bidder would step down | [23:11] |
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