#eulora Logs for 16 Dec 2015



December 16th, 2015 by Diana Coman
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I have the US ready [03:57]
diana_coman: and re wheel: checked and it turns out I made it at 511k initially [04:09]
Birdman: needs cs [07:12]
mircea_popescu: heh so there's a tpt claim somehow so high up i can't reach it. [07:22]
Birdman: ive been seein some of those [07:23]
Birdman: or ones nearly burried [07:24]
Birdman: want to buy these sb? [07:24]
mircea_popescu: specifics ? [07:27]
Birdman: 73315 sb q 29 [07:29]
mircea_popescu: yeah [07:29]
Birdman: its on yonder table [07:30]
mircea_popescu: brt [07:30]
Birdman: ive stopped storing heavy things in storage [07:30]
mircea_popescu: 54 * 73315 = 3959010. [07:30]
Birdman: yes sit [07:31]
Birdman: sir [07:31]
mircea_popescu: you know anyone can take it lol [07:31]
Birdman: i trust ya [07:31]
mircea_popescu: cheers. [07:32]
Birdman: thanks [07:32]
Birdman: doing boulder runs while leveling building since they seem to be in need [07:32]
Birdman: closest basic to the trainer too [07:32]
mircea_popescu: good thing i had 1k ppb bps spare. [07:33]
mircea_popescu: i guess i'll be here a while. [07:33]
mircea_popescu: yeah they're needed. also sr and f. lots and lots of sr and f and b. [07:33]
Birdman: if you sell me some beetles and shrooms i can go build some f ords [07:34]
mircea_popescu: for instance this 1k ppb will need 350 ft to be made into sticks. add to this the ~250 i need for stuff in my storage that's 600 ft needed, which takes 5500 srs which takes 27500 sr. not to mention the 2-3k srs i need for cws. [07:34]
mircea_popescu: shrooms i get at 124. you want those ? [07:35]
Birdman: yes [07:35]
mircea_popescu: alright let me get the stuff out then [07:35]
Birdman: and dcs if you have it higher than q23 lol [07:35]
Birdman: but if not its whatever i have enough for some claims [07:35]
mircea_popescu: nope, no dcs no md. but 49 shrooms q 124. [07:36]
Birdman: sounds good [07:37]
mircea_popescu: trade [07:37]
mircea_popescu: 49 * 780 * 1.24 * 1.25 = 59241 [07:37]
Birdman: let me break a coin quick [07:38]
mircea_popescu: cheers [07:39]
Birdman: pleasure as always [07:39]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, do you want that US + things for a toolkit bundle + bp to make a wheel? [07:55]
diana_coman: Birdman, I can sell 10 dungbeetles 116q at 130\% [07:56]
Birdman: no chance you could make it 16 of them? [07:57]
Birdman: either way deal [07:57]
diana_coman: that's all I have now [07:57]
Birdman: kk no worries [07:57]
Birdman: trade when ready [08:01]
diana_coman: trade Birdman [08:03]
diana_coman: 1.16Ã\u009710Ã\u00971088Ã\u00971.3 [08:04]
Birdman: got change? im 100 short [08:05]
diana_coman: if that helps, it's all I got [08:06]
Birdman: heh [08:06]
Birdman: uhmm hold on ill make change fast [08:06]
diana_coman: kk [08:06]
Birdman: nothin a bezzle cant fix [08:07]
Birdman: tyty [08:08]
diana_coman: yw, enjoy [08:08]
Birdman: does using cs get faster when you get higher in level? [08:18]
diana_coman: yes, but it's unclear by how much exactly [08:19]
Birdman: ah [08:19]
Birdman: cool [08:19]
Birdman: RE: verification of claim building, make them hold their own limit in boulders before working for you lol so the amount they could steal would be insanely small [08:23]
Birdman: diana_coman while on the topic, ill build all ords for you for 5\% if you still need that done, though you should know the goal is to level myself up [08:34]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman sure. [08:42]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'll get them out then, give me 3 min [08:43]
mircea_popescu: dang diana i dfon't have room for all that. [08:48]
mircea_popescu: make the toolkit bundles plox [08:48]
diana_coman: ok, only one though as you undercraft it anyway, right? [08:48]
mircea_popescu: unless it's over 150q total yes [08:48]
diana_coman: argh it doesn't work with the wheel bp, nm will get a toolkit bp just to mix them... [08:50]
mircea_popescu: so what do i owe here, 520k ? [08:52]
diana_coman: scaff is 29349 base, wheel bp is 39650 base, let me calc a bit, should be around there [08:52]
diana_coman: seems actually much less than that unless I am messing something up [08:54]
mircea_popescu: isn;'t the toolkit bundle like 60k base ? [08:55]
mircea_popescu: and i have scaffolding at 290k [08:55]
diana_coman: even that makes it 220k? [08:55]
diana_coman: arghhh [08:55]
diana_coman: missed one 0 jeez [08:55]
mircea_popescu: lol. how to be poor. a guide by foxy. [08:55]
diana_coman: yes, bot needs a calc option clearly [08:56]
diana_coman: 1.25Ã\u0097(290349Ã\u00971.11+39650+43136+60000) [08:56]
diana_coman: scaff, bp, pb, toolkit [08:56]
diana_coman: sounds right? [08:56]
mircea_popescu: so it does. [08:57]
diana_coman: that's like 581 [08:57]
mircea_popescu: aite [08:57]
mircea_popescu: ima make it right nao. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone has sub-minimum chetty sticks ? [08:58]
Birdman: <----- [08:58]
diana_coman: curious how much it'll be seeing how I checked and I had made it at 511k [08:58]
Birdman: 61 of em at ~ 17k iirc [08:59]
diana_coman: my offer of 17k per stick at 17k q still stands Birdman [08:59]
Birdman: ehhh lol i dont really want to be cutting my money in half on that deal diana_coman i figure it would be better for me to buy a shit load of cs at a q high enough to mix them [09:00]
diana_coman: does anyone sell them at that q "high enough"? [09:00]
Birdman: not sure, mp's are higher than the bare min iirc [09:00]
diana_coman: yes, mine are higher too when I make them [09:01]
Birdman: its a matter of time really, and as mp pointed out its a game of money, not time [09:01]
diana_coman: but it doesn't make sense to sell them like that, lol [09:01]
diana_coman: skk [09:01]
diana_coman: btw making the scaffolding at least gave me the bp back as it were and otherwise xp [09:02]
mircea_popescu: not too terrible. [09:03]
Birdman: i am willing to pay extra for cs with higher than bare min use by the way. i think it didnt make sense to sell them because there wasnt a way to monetize the extra q besides mixing yourself [09:06]
diana_coman: well, you'd have to pay more than what I get by mixing basically [09:06]
Birdman: of course [09:06]
diana_coman: anyways, no hurry [09:06]
Birdman: we could both make out better, at least better than me selling cs for 1 copper per qp [09:07]
Birdman: yeah no doubt keep me posted [09:07]
Birdman: im going to start needing high q cft to make sure im not working at a loss while leveling building soon [09:09]
Birdman: its already getting close to even with the leveling costs, and closing fast [09:09]
diana_coman: mhm, that's the thing with building ords: if I need you to build them is precisely for low q stuff; if you level up, it won't make sense for me [09:09]
diana_coman: what q are you getting now? [09:09]
Birdman: 35 [09:09]
Birdman: and thats why i cut the \% in half [09:09]
Birdman: it probably would be better to pay mantis or whomever to build them in all honesty [09:10]
diana_coman: that's the thing [09:10]
diana_coman: will have a look [09:10]
Birdman: on the bright side ill eventually be able to over craft me own stuff with tinkering [09:11]
Birdman: hasnt recieved trilema pass email yet [09:13]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i just realised mircescu's 1bn coppers in savings actually exceeds the savings of most human beings alive today. [09:13]
Birdman: heh, i think you need to make ~ 30k usd to be in the top 1\% earning bracket [09:14]
mircea_popescu: for a majority of women, it'd actually be a better deal to marry him than some guy [09:14]
Birdman: a year* [09:14]
mircea_popescu: Birdman most of people earning usd are dead broke tho\ [09:14]
Birdman: they aren't broke [09:15]
Birdman: they're in debt heavily [09:15]
mircea_popescu: right. [09:15]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman cooking, should be mebbe 2 hrs ? [09:15]
Birdman: aaand most people with a bitcent will be better off than most people everywhere ever lol [09:16]
diana_coman: around there iirc [09:16]
Birdman: is making life savings playing a video game [09:17]
mircea_popescu: ;p; [09:24]
mircea_popescu: reading eulora chat... holy shit this is like the first mmorp in history where quests are actually human generated. [09:30]
diana_coman: the first quest being...compile the bot, it seems [09:30]
mircea_popescu: i kept pondering you know, hey, shouldn't we get some quests in sometime ? [09:30]
mircea_popescu: no. no we shouldn't. "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. [09:31]
diana_coman: I don't think they are missing *at all* [09:31]
mircea_popescu: you want a task, go find a human [09:31]
mircea_popescu: this is the first time ever i've seen a quest giver start with "what would you like to do" [09:32]
mircea_popescu: good fucking luck doing THAT in your precious "AAA" title. [09:32]
diana_coman: heh, I'm nice like that [09:32]
mircea_popescu: preferably on quantum ai or some equally dumb shit. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: waves at danielpbarron [09:32]
mircea_popescu: feel free to put everything since 11:15 or so on social media lol. [09:33]
Birdman: i dont think it'd be a terrible idea to have quests, but they should be less of 'do this for npc and get reward' and more of 'there might be some really cool shit somewhere, so says this lore/legend, maybe go find it/kill that monster' [09:34]
mircea_popescu: "the only reason your game needs quests is because your game sucks". [09:34]
mircea_popescu: Birdman well yeah, but that's not what's typically meant by "quests". [09:34]
mircea_popescu: generally it's fedexing and "bring me five rat tails" [09:35]
Birdman: right [09:35]
Birdman: i guess there isnt a need for an actual in game quest, just add shit and if people want to go do it why do they need an in game npc to tell them to [09:35]
mircea_popescu: moreover, if there's not people needing other people to do shit for them, the game is dead. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: dead as disco. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: nobody realises this, or didn't, before eulora, because all the fucking games are dead, and then how would they know. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: heck, i had no idea. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for my own edification, how long did it take you to produce these 73k sb Birdman ? [09:37]
Birdman: there's always got to be a goal, and the one universal goal is to make money, maybe also to be the best at something, and with a real money used for a game it wouldnt die [09:37]
Birdman: i think it was 7 min per cs, so roughly 7*39 + the time it takes to build 3 ords [09:38]
mircea_popescu: hahahaha [09:38]
Birdman: maybe 4 ords i forget how i did it [09:38]
Birdman: i did 3 at the same time to see if itd crash the server or something, then i did 10, then i just did all i could keep track of [09:39]
mircea_popescu: o brother. it will take me well over 12 hours to just make ppb. then well another 20+ hours to make srs and ft, but we don't count that here. then a pro-rata 12 hours or so to make the cs. so for me to close his cycle, i need at least 24 hours. [09:39]
mircea_popescu: but for him to close [part of] my cycle, he needs 4-5 hours. [09:39]
mircea_popescu: this means that one like him can keep busy at least 4 like me, and this in turn means that there will be a huge demand for crafters as serious miners join the fray [09:40]
Birdman: only through the exploit of building multiple claims at once [09:40]
mircea_popescu: something i had been suspecting throughout. [09:40]
Birdman: but the idea stays the same, yes [09:40]
mircea_popescu: now admire this balancing act diana_coman : his per-copper production cost is not fixed, in the sense that i use a fixed COUNT and he produces a fixed value. so if a miner that gets q 25 produces 4x the count of a miner that gets q 100, this means that as more noobs come in, brinding down the per-copper TIME cost of closing the craft cycle [09:41]
mircea_popescu: the demand for more crafters increases. [09:41]
Birdman: this is also the numbers from noob mining, the cs take longer than the end goal of high gathering, and the yield was the product of over crafting as best possible with noob building [09:41]
mircea_popescu: aha. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: but the point still remains that by adjusting miner output q you also adjust time ratios between miner and crafter, and in so doing the demand for crafters. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: i am so happy i could fuck a horse. [09:42]
Birdman: the game mechanics of a raving mad man! [09:42]
diana_coman: heh, I think it will even be/show better as more people join [09:42]
mircea_popescu: yep [09:42]
mircea_popescu: smoother, at any rate. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: but : if a single crafter dominates the economy, with his high q products, this means a) he can afford to pay a lot to noob miners, attracting them in and b) he can put out high OC items [09:43]
mircea_popescu: as a) closes it swamps him, creating a makret for alt crafters ; which are supported by b) in levelling quickly. [09:44]
mircea_popescu: it's fucking self-righting. [09:44]
Birdman: mm so its not a lost cause to be intermediate crafter [09:45]
mircea_popescu: nothing is ever a lost cause forever, i expect the various things to keep cycling [09:45]
mircea_popescu: and the formal beauty of it is, that lo and behold, q100/q you get tells you how many crafters you can keep busy lol [09:46]
Birdman: so the output values are so concrete? there's not random chance to it? [09:47]
Birdman: because i hit some sort of jack pot the other day, getting 44k sb from one ord claim [09:47]
Birdman: which was more than half of the output i had just got from 39 of them [09:48]
mircea_popescu: Birdman there's a lot of chance to it AND YET they're so concrete. this is the beauty [09:48]
mircea_popescu: and yes, this happened to me too when i was doing eps. one claim made half the product of say 20 [09:48]
Birdman: you're gonna have to explain that one to me lol, is it zero sum? as in if i get some sort of huge yield then some other person will get abnormally low until it balances? [09:49]
mircea_popescu: actually my thinking currently is that if i sell my products so that the baseline result makes up for 1/3 of my cost, i'm breaking even. [09:49]
mircea_popescu: the baseline being... you know, there's this lowest bit you always get, like say eps i never got less than 3 from a small etc. [09:49]
mircea_popescu: Birdman yes it's zero sum, in that the copper is pegged to bitcoin. the game doesn't create items out of thin air. [09:50]
mircea_popescu: but it's also not that someone else will necessarily have abnormal results. there's a s.mg fed pool, that's ~300 btc currently. sorta how casinos work, if oyu get lucky doesn't mean the other person next to you only gets half payout now. [09:51]
Birdman: how would one acquire the lumberjack skill? [10:04]
Birdman: and is that skill solely dependant on building? [10:04]
Birdman: i dont suppose anyone is willing to pay just bv for my boulders considering there will be large quantity and like 50\% higher q? [10:08]
Birdman: is quite itchy, as he now basically gets crabs [10:36]
diana_coman: atm MP has exclusivity on lj unless danielpbarron gets some more scones or something [10:44]
diana_coman: Birdman, ^ [10:44]
diana_coman: what crabs are you getting? [10:44]
Birdman: dcs [10:44]
diana_coman: ah, shells [10:45]
Birdman: there are other crabs? [10:45]
diana_coman: could be, no? [10:45]
Birdman: true, how do i get farming? [10:45]
diana_coman: pray that I manage somehow to get it to 200 any time soon so that I get a book to give it...OR same as lj:someone with the altar gets the item perhaps [10:46]
Birdman: i see [10:46]
Birdman: so thats what sacrifice is really for [10:46]
Birdman: looting skill items [10:46]
diana_coman: well, that's what *I* know of it so far (+ some high q harvestables really), but no idea really [10:47]
mircea_popescu: hmm it's like 90\% done [10:49]
diana_coman: btw should have another batch of cs in 1.5hrs [10:49]
diana_coman: btw Birdman why not mining better seeing how there is nobody with mining so far? [10:50]
mircea_popescu: so it looks like 2 hours without a little, 11:17 to 13:05 or somesuch. [10:56]
danielpbarron: diana_coman> well, that's what *I* know of it so far (+ some high q harvestables really) << not really high q anymore, although 128 isn't too bad [11:11]
mircea_popescu: ahahah this turning wheel looks pretty cool [11:11]
mircea_popescu: also the bp for it looks damned complicated lol [11:11]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman done btw. q 556555 ! [11:12]
mircea_popescu: so bringeth 723.5k [11:12]
diana_coman: aha, not that bad after all, 2 min to finish this stick [11:17]
diana_coman: that gives me some ...20 rastrums more [11:19]
diana_coman: mhm [11:19]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, trade [11:20]
diana_coman: no more change, gave all earlier :p [11:20]
diana_coman: 730k? [11:20]
mircea_popescu: ya 1sec [11:21]
mircea_popescu: i was craftin [11:21]
diana_coman: kk [11:21]
diana_coman: thanks [11:21]
mircea_popescu: yw. [11:22]
diana_coman: and yes, I really like this wheel thing too :) [11:22]
diana_coman: hanbot, whenever you around let me know so that I give you back your toolkit + 3ppb + 7 tpt [11:41]
hanbot: diana_coman ty, i'm coming to town now [11:44]
diana_coman: 2 min to finish the craft hanbot [11:46]
hanbot: kk [11:46]
diana_coman: also: do you remember what q you had? I must say I messed up the ppb as I forgot I was having them in the toolkit and I made one of my own so it went there mixing them up; but hopefully I can set you right with what I still have high q [11:46]
diana_coman: hanbot, trade [11:52]
hanbot: <Birdman> so thats what sacrifice is really for << also grants sacrifice tokens of various ranks and qualities, tho no idea what they're good for yet [11:58]
Birdman: diana_coman got some sticks for me? [13:34]
Birdman: got 12k boulders here too [13:41]
mircea_popescu: ill take those! [13:50]
mircea_popescu: and i got some sticks somehow! [13:50]
Birdman: woooo [13:50]
Birdman: im in toen whenever [13:50]
mircea_popescu: Birdman : now works [13:50]
Birdman: trade me [13:51]
mircea_popescu: do you know how to use these ? [13:51]
Birdman: i know exaxctly how to use those [13:51]
mircea_popescu: 63 * 28339 / 20203 * 28000 = 2474384.794337475 [13:52]
Birdman: run them into the ground so that there's a big chunk of q left over, then put them in an unlocked claim [13:52]
mircea_popescu: 55 * (8499+3195) = 643170 [13:52]
mircea_popescu: so â\u0088\u00921831214 left to pay. [13:52]
mircea_popescu: and no : they're overquality. once you use one, put it back in the stack. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: keep doing this but careful to not get the stack under 20203 q [13:53]
Birdman: yes [13:53]
mircea_popescu: cool. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: ty! [13:54]
Birdman: i was joking lol yes thanks a bunch [13:54]
Birdman: gonna actually see if i can mix these with my 61 duds [13:54]
Birdman: or how many i can mix rather [13:54]
mircea_popescu: yep, you can. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: if you manage to fuck up a stack i'll take it back an d fix it when i make more, so it's not the end of the world./ [13:54]
Birdman: yes yes, appreciate it [13:54]
Birdman: nice worked out fine with even some extra q to spare for more mixing [13:58]
Birdman: beetles and shrooms im buyin em for 150\% at q120 or better, 180\% on dcs q 100 or better [14:03]
diana_coman: Birdman, I have some 30 shells or so [14:48]
diana_coman: and some sticks if you still want them [14:48]
Birdman: yes and yes [14:49]
Birdman: but no beetles at all? [14:49]
diana_coman: didn't I sell you earlier, lol? I might still have a few but below 120 as I don't get them that high anymore (they are lumber, no lj here) [14:50]
diana_coman: MP should get them higher q [14:50]
Birdman: yes but i used those, claim takes 8 of em lol well ill buy out whatever you wanna get rid of [14:51]
Birdman: let me see what the beetle ords take [14:51]
Birdman: beetles can be built pretty easy! [14:51]
Birdman: why has no one done this yet lol [14:52]
diana_coman: so then put them together and I'll build them or get someone else to build them [14:52]
diana_coman: because nobody else gets ordinaries in such huge quantities/good ratios as you probably? [14:52]
Birdman: well i wasnt aware since i see crazy amounts of them everywhere [14:53]
diana_coman: I explored crazy amounts and I am not the only one, lol [14:53]
Birdman: ill make a bunch of them [14:53]
Birdman: ill probably make like 20 sm claims that ill need you to mine too, before i can make the md bundles [14:54]
diana_coman: ok [14:55]
diana_coman: if you are at it, do the same from shrooms at least too [14:56]
diana_coman: though on lumber I get now 117 [14:56]
diana_coman: just to let you know [14:56]
Birdman: its still all good over craft in my eyes [14:58]
Birdman: for now at least [14:58]
diana_coman: coming to get your sticks+shells? [14:58]
Birdman: waiting for this gather to be done [14:59]
diana_coman: kk [14:59]
Birdman: what is your building level [15:00]
diana_coman: above 400 [15:01]
Birdman: and your q output is only in the hundreds?? [15:01]
diana_coman: everyone's q output is "only in the hundreds" lol [15:02]
Birdman: thats sick man [15:02]
diana_coman: welcome to eulora [15:02]
diana_coman: then again, as I said, foxy is an idiot [15:02]
diana_coman: but I'm not sure I see evidence of much better around, lol [15:03]
Birdman: so the future means one q poing will be all the difference? or when more noobs join that whole 'non linear' q output thing will bump to threshold further? [15:03]
Birdman: point* [15:03]
diana_coman: well, in the future characters will die and so you start over and so possibly nobody will really reach 400+ anyway [15:03]
diana_coman: at least unless someone reaches 800 before that so that there is a book to get you there [15:03]
Birdman: ive already thought about staying away from all the cliffs when death is implemented [15:04]
Birdman: and making sure i master some sort of defensive skills [15:04]
diana_coman: heh, that will surely not be enough, but it's a good start, lol [15:04]
diana_coman: characters will ALSO die of age simply [15:04]
diana_coman: btw, have any more shiny rock + boulders? [15:04]
Birdman: really? [15:04]
diana_coman: yeah, really [15:04]
Birdman: nah i sold all that earlier [15:04]
mircea_popescu: i see how it is diana_coman [15:05]
mircea_popescu: sabotaging the fellow crafter eh ? [15:05]
Birdman: idk how i feel about that though [15:05]
diana_coman: ahahah, lol, how's that sabotaging? [15:05]
diana_coman: it sounds like you feel...bad about it, Birdman ? [15:05]
Birdman: i just cant imagine all the implications of that right now lol [15:05]
diana_coman: it's ok, you have time ...still [15:05]
Birdman: not without any insight into how generating new characters will be etc [15:06]
diana_coman: first marriage, then death, or so I've heard [15:06]
Birdman: just stock pile enough books to corner the market every cycle and be the never ending leader [15:06]
diana_coman: good luck with that [15:06]
Birdman: or others would do the same, will be weird to see, thats for sure lol [15:06]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you parked your table right over mine, got the bot confuseled [15:08]
diana_coman: oh, did I? and does it? [15:08]
diana_coman: but why the hell does it get confused? [15:09]
diana_coman: ahhh, are you using the latest version or older? [15:09]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ^ [15:09]
mircea_popescu: aha! [15:09]
mircea_popescu: sabotage for to get me on the update bandwagon! [15:09]
mircea_popescu: USG SPYING! [15:09]
diana_coman: ahahahah, kk [15:09]
Birdman: lool [15:09]
diana_coman: hates versions! [15:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway. haven't bothered to update jet. [15:10]
diana_coman: no hurry there, I was just confused for a moment re how /why does it get confused still when it actually locks the bloody ID of the container [15:10]
Birdman: omw to town now [15:12]
Birdman: trade when ready [15:14]
Birdman: diana_coman [15:15]
diana_coman: ahahaha, why do my sticks have your sign mircea_popescu ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu: i dunno ? maybe you add them to a stack made by me originally ? [15:16]
diana_coman: uhm, there might have been 1 or 2 perhaps, but the other way around at most, lol i.e. 25 of mine and 1,2 of yours [15:16]
Birdman: 1229505 i owe, you dont have change for a mil do you? [15:16]
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me is looking to make a good extra 800 sticks here o.O [15:16]
diana_coman: 40Ã\u009730000+31Ã\u00971.5Ã\u00971.6Ã\u0097547 [15:17]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman doesn't matter counts, all that matters is which stack moves. [15:17]
diana_coman: I get 1240696 on that Birdman [15:17]
diana_coman: I put them all on the table and pick them up [15:17]
diana_coman: anyways, just curious there really [15:17]
Birdman: 547 base on dcs right [15:18]
Birdman: im not so worried about the 10k though, but i have no change [15:18]
diana_coman: well, I don't have 750k "change" no, bank? [15:19]
Birdman: heh, im about to break a coin no worries [15:19]
Birdman: how exactly do i use the bank to make change? [15:20]
Birdman: i say i want to make change with one coin and it doesnt seem to do anything [15:20]
diana_coman: deposit and then change? [15:20]
diana_coman: I can't access the bank while carrying too much, ahahaha [15:21]
Birdman: yeah thats whats not working i guess [15:21]
Birdman: made sure only 1mn coins in the bank, try to break one doesnt do anything [15:22]
diana_coman: no, if you got to the bank window then it is working [15:22]
diana_coman: at the bottom of the window [15:22]
Birdman: huh? [15:23]
Birdman: im at the bank window [15:23]
diana_coman: so at the bottom you have exchange [15:23]
diana_coman: click on the little button next to the coins you want and then input how many [15:24]
diana_coman: Birdman, ^ [15:24]
Birdman: yeah still nothin [15:25]
diana_coman: open/close the inventory [15:25]
Birdman: closed and re opened bank etc [15:25]
diana_coman: the inventory doesn't update, but the bank window should update [15:25]
Birdman: yeah nothin still, do i need the coins in my inventory or deposited in the bank? [15:26]
diana_coman: deposited in the bank [15:26]
diana_coman: first deposit [15:26]
diana_coman: then exchange [15:26]
Birdman: thats how i had it [15:26]
Birdman: interesting side not, says i have 10mil in the bank screen, inventory updated say 9mil [15:27]
Birdman: and im pretty positive i had the 9 mil not the 10 [15:27]
diana_coman: I don't know what you are doing there, lol [15:27]
Birdman: and when i deposited the 10 coins in the bank im somehow holding in my inventory ~ -950k [15:28]
Birdman: because the bank is giving me an extra mil coin for some reason [15:28]
Birdman: heh can you eat the .05\% and break a coin so we can do this diana_coman ? [15:28]
Birdman: ill pay the fee even [15:28]
diana_coman: lolz, mk [15:28]
Birdman: oh shit [15:29]
Birdman: wait [15:29]
diana_coman: ... [15:29]
Birdman: think maybe its buggin cause one of my coins is in the trade already [15:29]
diana_coman: there, get your money and then come and trade [15:29]
Birdman: still didnt work [15:30]
diana_coman: trade Birdman [15:31]
Birdman: so just give me 759500 and the items and ill give 2mil [15:32]
Birdman: ty [15:34]
Birdman: what to do with meh piles of cs [15:35]
diana_coman: but you know Birdman if every trade takes 15 minutes + initial wait, I'll better do other stuff really [15:35]
Birdman: blame ----> game [15:36]
diana_coman: anyways, got the wm/beetles/dcs claims ready? [15:36]
Birdman: im not stupid enough to not be able to function the bank lol [15:36]
diana_coman: uhm, it worked perfectly well for me [15:36]
Birdman: no, need to take care of the rest of these sb first, then comes the others [15:36]
diana_coman: so I don't see what's wrong with the game [15:36]
Birdman: i believe you [15:36]
Birdman: well im not insulting it lol its just a bug im sure the trades we do in the future wont take 15 min to break a coin [15:37]
diana_coman: kk [15:37]
diana_coman: doesn't care about insults, but is suspicious of people putting the blame on something else other than themselves first [15:38]
Birdman: what're you callin me a liar? i clicked the labeled buttons, it didnt work. im not one to try and save face about my competence while playing a game, an im especially not one to lie about it [15:39]
diana_coman: no, I'm not calling you a lier [15:39]
diana_coman: liar, lol [15:40]
Birdman: well alright then, suspect away [15:40]
diana_coman: I'm the first to say that the bank screen is not very intuitive, but buggy I haven't seen it to be, that's all [15:40]
diana_coman: lolz, in your place I'd have asked and asked until I'd have gotten the hang of it OR made the bug clear [15:44]
diana_coman: uhm, and I can't connect again, everyone else is fine? [15:45]
Birdman: i got as far as i could with it, i clicked the exchange button nothing happened how can i troubleshoot past that? anyways, i was under the impression building multiple claims was fine but it might have been what just crashed the server [15:46]
Birdman: mircea_popescu [15:46]
wyrdmantis: i'm down [15:46]
wyrdmantis: can't connect [15:46]
diana_coman: did you click on the little button next to the coins as I said just a little bit earlier Birdman ? [15:46]
Birdman: yea [15:46]
diana_coman: aha, probably down then. how do you build multiple claims? [15:46]
Birdman: heh exactly as it sounds like [15:47]
diana_coman: so the button was lit, there was a number of coins there available, you entered the number you wanted to exchange, clicked the button and..nothing happened at all? [15:47]
Birdman: i make it so they dont finish all at the same time though [15:47]
diana_coman: ahahahah, I see [15:47]
diana_coman: interesting idea in any case [15:47]
Birdman: oh theres an actual button, oh gosh i guess i didnt see one, i figured you meant to click on the picture of the coin [15:48]
diana_coman: no, right next to it... [15:48]
Birdman: ill see next i train then [15:49]
Birdman: <Birdman>im not stupid enough to not be able to function the bank lol << ahem [15:50]
diana_coman: you know, I got stuck on that the first time, too - that's pretty much why I took the time to bang you on the head with it despite your protests that it's a bug, lol [15:53]
Birdman: i thought they were just little notches in the background, but if i had paid more attention to when you said it was a button it wouldnt have been so retarded [15:54]
wyrdmantis: server still unavailable [16:01]
diana_coman: wyrdmantis, we will have to wait now until mircea_popescu gets to it to restart it if it's down [16:09]
Birdman: my bad guys [16:18]
Birdman: worked fine the last time, and that was doing like 10 at once [16:18]
diana_coman: oh wow, it actually worked before? that's weird as I remember it would complain/interrupt if I tried that [16:19]
diana_coman: anyways, at least one more bug found [16:19]
Birdman: im not even 100\% it was me, but if it wasnt the timing was really close [16:21]
Birdman: wow the base value of dans sizeable enum is nearly 2mil [16:31]
diana_coman: mhm, a remarkable is more than 550k iirc so that makes sense I'd say [16:32]
Birdman: crazy, danielpbarron is your sizeable able to be built? [16:38]
mircea_popescu: heh [17:25]
mircea_popescu: backj up [17:27]
danielpbarron: Birdman> wow the base value of dans sizeable enum is nearly 2mil << more like 4 [19:00]
danielpbarron: it's like 250 quality or whatever i was making then [19:04]
danielpbarron: Birdman, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344940 << heh, something you could comment on [19:18]
lobbesbot: Title: #bitcoin-assets log (at log.bitcoin-assets.com) [19:18]
Birdman: nice lol [19:19]
Birdman: well i lost out on 3/4 of the loot from the crash [19:20]
Birdman: not that it was much anyways [19:21]
Birdman: and still got the exp [19:21]
danielpbarron: what's with the outages as of late [19:21]
danielpbarron: i was thinking of doing a big sacrifice but with all this craziness i'm afraid to [19:21]
danielpbarron: that's a very expensive failure if a sacrifice gets interrupted [19:22]
Birdman: how expensive? [19:27]
danielpbarron: i don't know exactly [19:27]
Birdman: well i lost ~ 120k on that last hiccup lol [19:28]
danielpbarron: i paid a whole coin for this altar plus a skill giving item and a bunch of 1 million quality sacrificables [19:28]
Birdman: probably should have saved those [19:28]
danielpbarron: the skill item base value is 1 million [19:28]
danielpbarron: still have it [19:28]
danielpbarron: and i still have parts of the sacrificables [19:29]
danielpbarron: i didn't use any of them outright [19:29]
danielpbarron: i mixed them down into piles [19:29]
danielpbarron: i have small polished stones at like 250k and 500k quality [19:29]
danielpbarron: and decent pile of 2000 quality berries [19:29]
danielpbarron: i made that by accident heh [19:30]
danielpbarron: and i think i have some thorns that are some ridiculous quality too [19:30]
danielpbarron: but i think i used up all the leather and whatever else was in that auction [19:30]
Birdman: herm, maybe you should sell some of that [19:30]
danielpbarron: no way [19:30]
Birdman: q output is way down now? [19:31]
danielpbarron: i will patiently wait for more altars [19:31]
Birdman: i see [19:31]
danielpbarron: yeah my sacrifice quality is down to 128 since hanbot has joined the party :< [19:31]
danielpbarron: but that's sorta a good thing too because i get more items [19:31]
Birdman: yeah, and the q threshold is larger i suspect [19:32]
danielpbarron: the most annoying part is i used up most of my stuff when the numbers were all wrong [19:32]
Birdman: meaning you can get higher q in the end from more people joining [19:32]
danielpbarron: the base value of wine was way too low [19:32]
danielpbarron: so i got like no loot [19:32]
Birdman: yeah that does suck [19:32]
danielpbarron: it would only rarely spit out loot [19:32]
danielpbarron: and now i get loot every time [19:32]
danielpbarron: it'll take me a while to break even on all that :/ [19:33]
Birdman: squandered your talents [19:33]
danielpbarron: well how was i supposed to know it wasn't working properly [19:33]
danielpbarron: i'm pretty sure i said i didn't think it was working right, but nobody took it seriously until hanbot gave it a try [19:34]
danielpbarron: anway, i'd love to try to make more of those scone things, and with my extra skill item i could enlist a noob to do it [19:34]
Birdman: <--- [19:34]
danielpbarron: well are you willing to pay for it? [19:35]
Birdman: ill pay one mil for the skill [19:35]
danielpbarron: would you pay more than one million? [19:35]
danielpbarron: one million is what all the other skill items sell for and their base value is more like 100k [19:35]
Birdman: might be good later on when mp can sell me highest q sups i give him highest q enums for [19:35]
Birdman: lets see [19:35]
Birdman: is anyone else willing to pay more than 1mn for sacrifice skill item? [19:36]
danielpbarron: i'd really like to do some sort of non-compete thing with it, but my altar is nearly spent... [19:36]
danielpbarron: i don't care what other people are willing to pay [19:36]
danielpbarron: i'm not selling it for so little [19:36]
Birdman: i see [19:36]
danielpbarron: you could turn and work for hanbot and then what good is that for me [19:37]
Birdman: compete for teh noob skills [19:37]
danielpbarron: big whoop, 0.01 out of 1.00 [19:37]
Birdman: well if there's anything so true, its that what you pay for something isnt always what its worth [19:38]
danielpbarron: especially if i'm the one who paid it [19:38]
Birdman: so what does that tell you [19:39]
Birdman: sb will be done pretty soon by the way [19:40]
Birdman: i dont suppose you'll buy a locked claim for a discount? [19:40]
danielpbarron: yeah i will [19:40]
Birdman: sweet [19:40]
Birdman: 5\% off? [19:40]
danielpbarron: off of what? [19:40]
Birdman: price of sb [19:41]
danielpbarron: what price? [19:41]
Birdman: what you quoted me [19:41]
danielpbarron: ah, sure [19:41]
Birdman: cool cool [19:43]
mircea_popescu: <Birdman> well i lost ~ 120k on that last hiccup lol << how ? [20:15]
Birdman: its no big deal firstly, but it must have crashed right before a claim was done being built, because it disappeared with the bundle [20:16]
Birdman: i guess i should say i lost ~60k, was just expecting a certain amount of over craft from it [20:17]
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> anway, i'd love to try to make more of those scone things << waitwut ? [20:17]
mircea_popescu: Birdman the claim is not gone for ~1hour anyway. [20:18]
danielpbarron: why shouldn't i be able to make scones [20:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno that you shouldn't. [20:18]
Birdman: yeah i just didnt stick around for the reboot, its no big deal [20:18]
mircea_popescu: man paying 25mn for those was a short lived thrill [20:18]
danielpbarron: i guess i'd rather get the mining skill item [20:19]
Birdman: i want that [20:19]
danielpbarron: i just want anyone to have it honestly [20:20]
Birdman: yes [20:20]
Birdman: deprived of decent to high q mining items right? [20:20]
danielpbarron: yes [20:20]
danielpbarron: spicy moss annoyingly enough [20:20]
Birdman: yeah mining that now for that reason [20:20]
danielpbarron: seeing as how i once produced 150+ anything [20:20]
danielpbarron: and moss was never hard to find [20:21]
Birdman: pretty difficult now [20:21]
danielpbarron: let me know if you loot blueprints for a time machine [20:21]
danielpbarron: i'll pay top dollar(tm) [20:21]
Birdman: whats the tm for [20:22]
danielpbarron: variety speak i guess [20:22]
danielpbarron: read the logs(tm) [20:22]
Birdman: diana_coman how many sm do you get from smalls? [20:23]
Birdman: with cft ~ 140 [20:23]
danielpbarron: is my thread still foating around? [20:24]
Birdman: i have a stack and change [20:24]
danielpbarron: next wave will be 107 quality [20:24]
Birdman: beattt but im only doing ords for now anyways [20:25]
danielpbarron: almost out of grass [20:25]
Birdman: i could sell you a few hundred locked claims if you want [20:26]
danielpbarron: what kind of claims? [20:26]
Birdman: seeing as mining them isnt feasible with less output now [20:26]
Birdman: cdg [20:26]
danielpbarron: ordinaries? [20:27]
Birdman: smalls, for your noob to mine you grass [20:27]
Birdman: they'd probably get upwards over 150 per small [20:27]
danielpbarron: i can make those [20:27]
Birdman: yeah but is that the best use of your time? [20:27]
danielpbarron: probably [20:27]
Birdman: lol [20:27]
danielpbarron: i have sortage so i also get high quality on the side [20:27]
Birdman: supposed to say no man [20:27]
danielpbarron: this is how i prepare my other basics [20:28]
Birdman: high q what [20:28]
danielpbarron: grass [20:28]
Birdman: if you mine it yourself [20:28]
danielpbarron: 143 at the moment [20:28]
danielpbarron: suck it! [20:28]
Birdman: are you saying thats what you're gonna do?! [20:28]
danielpbarron: that's how a good quality lol [20:28]
danielpbarron: that's now* [20:28]
Birdman: good luck with that man [20:28]
danielpbarron: i used to get 280 grass [20:28]
danielpbarron: anyway this is already how i prepare smalls for employees [20:28]
danielpbarron: i go after basics [20:29]
Birdman: by mining them yourself? [20:29]
danielpbarron: it doesn't take long and it is profitable [20:29]
danielpbarron: i'm not buying smalls [20:29]
Birdman: alright dan [20:29]
Birdman: but i think you're scrubbing it up [20:29]
danielpbarron: and for future record, when disucssing the buying and selling of claims in public like this, it should be assumed that no size mentioned means ordinary [20:29]
Birdman: imagine all of this happening behind the scenes, you pay me x amount for claims, transfer keys to noobs, noob mines and delivers, profit with little to no work outside of management [20:30]
danielpbarron: i will surely buy ordinaries [20:30]
danielpbarron: even grass, although not as much [20:30]
danielpbarron: on account of toves not being found [20:30]
Birdman: get numbers for their output from a few runs with supervision and then you can verify amounts that should be there too and keep accountability for thieving [20:30]
danielpbarron: it's not worth passing keys around for smalls [20:31]
danielpbarron: what a headache [20:31]
danielpbarron: i just keep them in my inventory for the whole cycle [20:31]
Birdman: true, they dont stack [20:31]
Birdman: mircea_popescu *keyring idea* :D [20:32]
danielpbarron: it's not hard to let my macro grind out row after row, use up a few tools, and manually go back and lock the smalls that turned up [20:32]
danielpbarron: i get nearly 100\% hit rate on basic harvestables [20:32]
Birdman: yeah, without the key problem though im sure you could find a more profitable use of your time though [20:33]
Birdman: nice [20:33]
Birdman: i dont, though i dont get tinies [20:33]
danielpbarron: that is so weird [20:33]
Birdman: but i also think i hit often enough for it to be better than having tinies [20:33]
Birdman: man i have terrible hit rates for sm [20:38]
Birdman: 13 over a tool [20:38]
danielpbarron: 13 smalls? [20:39]
Birdman: yeah [20:39]
danielpbarron: that's not bad [20:39]
danielpbarron: i get less doing a basic [20:39]
Birdman: its pretty bad [20:39]
danielpbarron: i'm telling you it's not bad [20:39]
danielpbarron: i [20:39]
Birdman: lolol dan you only get 13 smalls from a basic over a tool?? [20:40]
danielpbarron: i'll buy those i guess [20:40]
danielpbarron: i get ~less~ than 13 [20:40]
danielpbarron: what kind of tool are we talking here? [20:40]
Birdman: no these are for diana_coman to mine so i can get best results from her mining a ord beetle claim so i can get the best beetles to use in mining flotsam for you [20:40]
Birdman: right now pick axe [20:40]
danielpbarron: basic though? [20:41]
Birdman: yes [20:41]
danielpbarron: what quality are those these days/ [20:41]
danielpbarron: i still have some of the 9k ones from electron [20:41]
danielpbarron: the hoes that is [20:41]
Birdman: started ~ 18k i think and it uses 187q per use [20:41]
danielpbarron: wow [20:41]
Birdman: but the ones i have are at 13k from accidental mixing [20:41]
Birdman: but i somehow accidently mixed them to the point where the wear to 1q [20:42]
danielpbarron: so 1 small per 1k tool quality [20:42]
danielpbarron: well that's an accidental win [20:42]
Birdman: i know lol [20:42]
Birdman: though i always suspected picks were better at mining things that are under mining cat [20:43]
Birdman: got caught up in cs before i did any real testing [20:44]
danielpbarron: then what is best for groceries? [20:46]
danielpbarron: or is it the hoe that is best for those, and basic harvestables can take any tool? [20:46]
Birdman: hoes for basics [20:46]
Birdman: oh groceries [20:46]
Birdman: yeah that would make sense [20:47]
Birdman: farming is for groceries, you hoe on a farm and farm with a hoe [20:47]
Birdman: 175 these use not 187 [20:53]
danielpbarron: yep [20:53]
Birdman: i think 50 sm smalls is enough to last awhiles worth of beetle claims [21:30]
Birdman: mircea_popescu what was that one message of the day regarding democracy, something like 'true democracy is reserved for drunken men'? [21:31]
mircea_popescu: possibru [21:31]
Birdman: i just feel you put it in better words than i remember it [21:32]
Birdman: huh, was unsuccessful with cs [21:57]
mircea_popescu: o.O [21:59]
Birdman: crazy right, second time it happened, the first being with an off hand try [22:00]
mircea_popescu: might be the first time ever. yo sure ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu: that might be a VERY valuable spot. [22:01]
Birdman: hundred \% [22:01]
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe diana_coman gets her bubbles. [22:01]
Birdman: whatcha mean [22:01]
Birdman: oh [22:01]
Birdman: tee hee [22:02]
Birdman: again unsuccessful [22:03]
Birdman: though this time im pretty positive its in the beetle area [22:04]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [22:04]
mod6: looking to buy some high q threads if you have any [22:10]
mod6: anyway, no worries. i'll check back in tomorrow. [22:17]
Birdman: terrible hit rate on the beetles with cs [22:23]
mircea_popescu: thing is q dropped, mod6 best we got now is 149 and i don't have nay low grass to make it [22:41]

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