| Birdman: | "Press ? to skill the open menu." | [01:55] |
| Birdman: | was gathering effected in that? mircea_popescu | [02:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | <mircea_popescu> soooo... it pleases me to announce that pursuant to studying the very strange matter of my outlier lj quality impact, i've found and fixed a few errors in how the quality and skill impact is calculated. one affected gathering. another affected tinkering. the third affected lumberjack. expect wildly different q outputs once the server comes back up. | [02:05] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [02:06] |
| Birdman: | well my hit rate is down from what i can see on the grass, but its back to no tinies so thats cool | [02:09] |
| Birdman: | id rather it be all small then tinies smalls and ordinaries, at least for the time being | [02:10] |
| Birdman: | than | [02:10] |
| Birdman: | so these threads i have that are ~ 140 are now higher q than can be produced atm? | [03:09] |
| Birdman: | Apparently the news was trying to tell me that they found, and raided, satoshi nakamoto in australia | [03:45] |
| Birdman: | ahem | [03:54] |
| Birdman: | not sure if its because of the thread q difference now or what but the yield in my mining has been up between 5-10\%, while my hit rate has gone from 70-80\% to ~40\% | [03:54] |
| Birdman: | so it nearly halved | [03:54] |
| Birdman: | to make it just as profitable, id need a 5\% increase in yield to cover the extra mining costs, weird how it worked out like that | [04:00] |
| diana_coman: | I'd think it's because gathering is finally making a sensible impact Birdman | [04:07] |
| Birdman: | whatcha mean | [04:08] |
| diana_coman: | do you want to make another trial run for me now? I suspect the output will be different | [04:08] |
| diana_coman: | gathering was fixed | [04:08] |
| diana_coman: | and I suspect the fixing involves a more significant impact of your gathering level on a). hits b). claim "quality", possibly both | [04:08] |
| diana_coman: | if this hypothesis is correct, I'd expect some different results on my claims (or the same as yest given that you have lower results on yours today) | [04:09] |
| Birdman: | well my output went up from my claims, but i also suspect this could be because tinkering was effected, making my 142 q threads pack more of a punch? | [04:09] |
| diana_coman: | did your q on building change? | [04:09] |
| Birdman: | no | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, then I don't see how the tinkering would be involved | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, even if it is just hit rate affected | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | you are better off now mining someone else's claims, aren't you? | [04:10] |
| Birdman: | well isnt this whole game non linear? so now that the highest people are crafting threads is like 110, 140 will be proportionally better? | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | as you basically don't have mining costs | [04:10] |
| Birdman: | no, its just as profitable now if not more | [04:11] |
| Birdman: | the mining is the least expensive part | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | it is non-linear, but not chaotically related I'd say | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | the proportionally better part is reflected in quality yes | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | but the fact that 140q in tinkering is now tops | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't mean all of a sudden that "it's the bees knees in mining" | [04:12] |
| Birdman: | right but what im getting at is that 140q will have better results *now* than it did before the update | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | your overcraft on your claims is still the same if your build output is the same | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | why exactly? | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | what you are saying is that results in building depend on relative ranking in tinkering? | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | if now threads at 140q are tops in tinkering then they should somehow have higher impact in building | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [04:13] |
| Birdman: | its a theory. These are the things ive seen, my build q is the same, my hit rate is nearly halved, i get no tinies again, my yield is up by 5-10\% and because of that my profit is nearly equal to before. So why is the output higher? is it because tinkering was tinkered with or because gathering was changed? | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | I guess this could be possible if you consider 1q point of threads to be somehow all of a sudden worth more (as coppers) than before, but I'm not sure that is true given that value is not really changed otherwise | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | im just saying it could be that now because everyone tinkers lower quality, 140 is better now than it was before | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | i dont know the maths behind it lol | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | we could isolate maybe by me using the same threads on your claims and look at the differnce in yield between our claims, and compare that to the difference we saw before, (which was ~10\% more from your claims) | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, given the changes, I'd be curious to do another trial run so if you want to do it,I'll go get another 10 small sr claims | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | and that would also be over a realy small sample size, what we saw those numbers over 10 builds for each of our claims? | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | and btw keep in mind that I get them with basic tools | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | so that's in fact another difference | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | yeah, im up for it | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | you get them with imps, don't you? | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | yes | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | so im expending more value to get them is what that means right? which is relevant in the mechanics? | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it is a tiny sample: I'm doing a trial run to see if it makes sense for me to hire your services at 10\% | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I'd say so | [04:18] |
| Birdman: | crazy stuff | [04:19] |
| Birdman: | ill go mine some now, same place as before? | [04:19] |
| Birdman: | i dont think the difference in our yields should determine whether or not you want to hire me though | [04:20] |
| Birdman: | that should be the value i give you compared to yours | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | no, indeed | [04:20] |
| Birdman: | but im pretty interested in this myself | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | yes, the comparison is a side thing and that's why the sample is not geared properly for it really (esp in size) | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | ill mine 10 and we'll just use your threads for them all and ill give you 10\% of it all, and ill eat any mining costs for my 10 | [04:21] |
| diana_coman: | I don't exactly remember the place before, but I'll go somewhere in the sr area, lol | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | dont want to have to deal with exchanging for threads etc | [04:21] |
| diana_coman: | just buy the threads and keep the stuff | [04:22] |
| Birdman: | its right next to where i grass mine | [04:22] |
| Birdman: | weell thats the thing | [04:22] |
| Birdman: | what do you want for threads of what q | [04:22] |
| diana_coman: | usual 125\% | [04:22] |
| Birdman: | i luckily stocked up massively on high q threads | [04:22] |
| diana_coman: | what is high q? | [04:23] |
| Birdman: | 140ish | [04:23] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I still have 155 as yest | [04:23] |
| Birdman: | its only 70 threads whatever ill buy them | [04:23] |
| Birdman: | im in town now throw me a number and coords | [04:24] |
| diana_coman: | here goes again connection problems here... | [04:25] |
| diana_coman: | 30 -128 right now, but I don't yet have the 10 claims and will get back to town to get the threads right q | [04:25] |
| Birdman: | ok | [04:26] |
| Birdman: | need tools pretty badly | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | I wanted to make more, but I am not sure mcguyver is not broken atm | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | anyway it seems my hit rates are lower too, so I might switch to imps too | [04:31] |
| Birdman: | mhhm | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | so far I got 4:14 small:tiny but also loads of misses | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | will see | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | I never had misses on sr, lol | [04:32] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [04:34] |
| Birdman: | im just glad im back into the no tinies | [04:34] |
| Birdman: | those things are a burden like crazy | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | not for the bot, lol | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | and they can actually be very profitable esp on expensive stuff | [04:35] |
| Birdman: | right well i think for the a tiny loses me money | [04:35] |
| Birdman: | and im doing this manually so it sucks to have rows messed up | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | omg 1 tool used up and only 6 smalls | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | do i smell an increase in basic prices? | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | don't think so | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | maybe in tool prices, lol | [04:37] |
| Birdman: | well it all goes together ya know | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | not the way you seem to think it does | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | the bottom is harvestables basics and otherwise | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | if you increase the price to those, that will propagate further, not the other way around | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | what is your ratio now and before? | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | I get it that it's more convenient for your the other way around, but... | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | for gathering sr | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | no no, im just saying if it costs more to get these things, usually the price increases | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | and it seems so far that we are all having much worse hit rates | [04:39] |
| Birdman: | mine halved | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | it was 2:3 so 1:1.5 and now good god it's like 1:4.33 | [04:39] |
| Birdman: | wow | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | nonlinear... | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | this is basic tools though | [04:40] |
| Birdman: | right | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | so don't compare the numbers | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I'll make imps, lol | [04:40] |
| Birdman: | sweet lol have like 2 left | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, you know what? get me the prerequisites for imps and you get more, simple | [04:41] |
| Birdman: | do you buy worn imp tools or just basic mircea_popescu | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | worn imp tools are useless so far | [04:41] |
| Birdman: | dan said he was under the impression it was just basics, but he did buy some imp tools off me | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | basic ones go into imps | [04:42] |
| Birdman: | maybe the logic is that imps will go into the next tier | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | *maybe* | [04:43] |
| Birdman: | used that word for a reason lol, i get it, only thing we know is that we know nothing kind of thing | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | good grief, finally | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | 1:5 small:Tiny | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | and 3 tools and half an hour if not more | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | on my way to town | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | btw, build a few tinies from there for me too, I'll give you some high q lbn | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | I'm really curious as I think you might even get more on those | [04:50] |
| Birdman: | ill finish up this run of grass | [04:50] |
| Birdman: | tried that | [04:50] |
| Birdman: | no avail, me and tinies is a total waste of resources | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | what q lbn did you use? | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: it's my resources, lol | [04:50] |
| Birdman: | uh i dont remember | [04:51] |
| Birdman: | but it was high enough for over craft and i got none | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | so come to town, I'll give you some high q lbn and the thread and build some | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | you won't get on all of them for sure | [04:51] |
| Birdman: | well ya gonna pay me for it? this guy doesnt build for free you know | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | 10\% of the total is not fine anymore now or what? | [04:51] |
| Birdman: | not for tinies | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | looolz | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | mk | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | when do you get to town? | [04:52] |
| Birdman: | about 5 min or less finishing building these grass | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | k | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | 70Ã\u0097180Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.55 = 24400 for your 70 threads | [05:02] |
| Birdman: | X1.55? | [05:03] |
| diana_coman: | the quality | [05:03] |
| Birdman: | of thats q | [05:03] |
| Birdman: | kk | [05:03] |
| diana_coman: | 180 is at 100q | [05:04] |
| Birdman: | lots of tinies | [05:07] |
| diana_coman: | as I said earlier, lol | [05:08] |
| diana_coman: | 1:5 ratio, so for 10 smalls, there should be 50 tinies around | [05:08] |
| Birdman: | beat | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | ftr 1 imp tool = 3 basic tools + 66 sr + 120f + 5 b | [05:09] |
| Birdman: | maybe ill get in the business of selling batches of smalls | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | with all the processing and tool decay in between added to that, of course | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | I'll have to check what I get with imps as it got me curious now | [05:10] |
| Birdman: | 1097 gross | [05:11] |
| diana_coman: | so even worse than yest | [05:12] |
| Birdman: | mm, be in town in a min | [05:12] |
| Birdman: | floating sack of sr for ya | [05:13] |
| diana_coman: | k, thanks | [05:14] |
| Birdman: | how large is this patch of sr? | [05:14] |
| diana_coman: | really large | [05:15] |
| Birdman: | cool | [05:15] |
| diana_coman: | from 0 to 44 on x coord and pretty much from -300 to -100 on z | [05:15] |
| diana_coman: | and there is more next to it really on lower x coords | [05:16] |
| Birdman: | you willin to sell more of those threads | [05:20] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, I think I'll auction some, rather | [05:20] |
| diana_coman: | later today | [05:20] |
| Birdman: | mhm alright, can i buy another 70 just so i can gauge the difference and know what i want to pay for them? | [05:21] |
| diana_coman: | ? what do you mean? didn't you have basically 70 on my claims and 70 on yours? | [05:21] |
| Birdman: | yeah but those numbers are different than the grass yields | [05:22] |
| diana_coman: | lol, so mine some sr and gauge the diff | [05:22] |
| Birdman: | wanted to test 10 claims of grass, i could run numbers with my threads on sr but its not nearly as profitable | [05:22] |
| Birdman: | yeah i suppose i could take a little loss to figure it out | [05:22] |
| Birdman: | im a grass guy though, im not sure the \%'s will hold over between different harvests precisely | [05:23] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, so you are asking me if I want to take some loss so you can figure things out because..you don't really want to take that loss yourself? | [05:23] |
| Birdman: | heh | [05:23] |
| Birdman: | i just dont know if it will be the same outcome on grass is all | [05:23] |
| diana_coman: | nice try I suppose, lol | [05:23] |
| Birdman: | would be interesting to see if it does though | [05:23] |
| diana_coman: | so go and see | [05:23] |
| Birdman: | cant | [05:23] |
| Birdman: | dont have 2 different thread q's | [05:24] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, buy them at this auction and see | [05:24] |
| Birdman: | oh | [05:24] |
| Birdman: | ya ya we'll see | [05:24] |
| diana_coman: | btw what was the output on sr on your 10 claims? | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman ^ | [05:29] |
| Birdman: | workin on it, thought i wouldnt tell you or somethin? | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | thought you missed it /moved on to something else | [05:29] |
| Birdman: | 1283 | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | so better on your own claims? | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [05:30] |
| Birdman: | yeah like 16.5\% better | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | higher gathering -> worse claims lolz | [05:30] |
| Birdman: | well now | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | lets be realistic | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh, they were with imps | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | ive seen shifts over thousands of claims, my runs were normally like 150 smalls | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | 20 claims is hardly a big sample size | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | yes there's that too | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | it is a tiny sample for sure, yes | [05:31] |
| Birdman: | get another 10 then, i cant seem to get better than tinies with basic tools | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | maybe later with imps | [05:32] |
| Birdman: | mm, keep me posted on their production, id buy another 50 or so | [05:32] |
| diana_coman: | will you make some bms then? | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | they are needed for imps so if you want loads of imps, make some bms, lol | [05:34] |
| Birdman: | what are bms | [05:35] |
| diana_coman: | base metal studs | [05:35] |
| diana_coman: | I can sell you high q inputs for that if you don't have them so you get overcraft, make them, sell them back | [05:35] |
| Birdman: | yeah if you can prepare me with the materials for craft or whatever | [05:35] |
| diana_coman: | you pay 125\% on inputs, get 125\% on the bms, fine? | [05:35] |
| diana_coman: | I'll make a package, yes | [05:36] |
| Birdman: | you keep the bms and all their value, and pay me 20\% base value on all loot | [05:36] |
| diana_coman: | I am not into this 20\% thing, sorry | [05:37] |
| Birdman: | ill see if dan can facilitate tomorrow then | [05:37] |
| Birdman: | i might be interested in your deal if you agree to buy all the loot | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | at base value, sure | [05:41] |
| Birdman: | qi? | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | base value adjusted for q | [05:42] |
| Birdman: | heh | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | really, you have all sorts of conditions | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | the world especially accommodating for you or dunno | [05:42] |
| Birdman: | i gotta get mine | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | no, you gotta get what you work for, not "yours" | [05:43] |
| Birdman: | i personally like all the trading and haggling, running numbers and all that | [05:43] |
| diana_coman: | as some undefined always with your favourite margin thing | [05:43] |
| diana_coman: | sure, but that's not what I was noticing on, lol | [05:44] |
| Birdman: | its a turn of phrase, saying the point of doing anything is to profit, and thats the goal | [05:44] |
| Birdman: | im not here to do favors | [05:44] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, nobody asked for favors | [05:44] |
| Birdman: | well dont complain if you dont like my pricing on things | [05:45] |
| Birdman: | its not a power play or whatever | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | that's exactly the thing: you have this idea that your work is worth what you would like it to be, not what it pays; mk | [05:45] |
| Birdman: | i just dont want to do that work without the pay i want | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | where is my complaining? | [05:45] |
| Birdman: | well it just seems you were offended by me having 'conditions' on everything | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | I don't care | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | I just notice that from my point of view you are making it impossible to work with you | [05:46] |
| diana_coman: | that's all | [05:46] |
| diana_coman: | you can keep it that way, sure | [05:46] |
| diana_coman: | I don't mind at all | [05:46] |
| Birdman: | you make it seem like i shouldnt try to get the best out of everything i can | [05:47] |
| diana_coman: | nope; I just say that your definition of "best" is more likely to hurt you in the long term than benefit you; just my observation and you do with it whatever you want - ignoring it is an option too of course | [05:49] |
| diana_coman: | as a last thing see how it went with your "conditions" on the supps: you could have gotten those mns I was offering but no, you wanted some exact margin so you got...nothing; so you got the best out of it, right? | [05:50] |
| Birdman: | its not all nonsense either, i tried doing the crafting thing with dan, and it turned out to just be a huge waste of time at the pay i was getting, so we agreed on 20\% of the loot or whatever for me to craft his stuff. Im sure you're profiting from these studs and everything in between if not you should be. if what i ask cuts into your pay too much then so be it, you can just refuse. I make nothing but offers | [05:50] |
| Birdman: | yeah i screwed up on selling those drafts | [05:51] |
| diana_coman: | I rest my case,lol | [05:51] |
| Birdman: | im not required to follow some sort of system you figured out for 'fair' pay on things | [05:52] |
| diana_coman: | lol Birdman | [05:57] |
| Birdman: | tee hee | [05:58] |
| diana_coman: | you are missing the point really, but there's no hurry; in any case, requirements are just for deals: if you want some deal/to get something, then you do have to follow the requirements for it; other than that, no requirements indeed | [05:59] |
| Birdman: | of course | [06:00] |
| jurov: | well knows the foxy's look if indignation and "fair price" | [06:01] |
| jurov: | *of | [06:01] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha jurov | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | make a drawing then? I'll put it on my blog | [06:02] |
| jurov: | someday ;) | [06:03] |
| diana_coman: | quite curious really, as I don't feel any indignation whatsoever over these things, lol | [06:06] |
| Birdman: | officially out of imp tools | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | congrats? | [06:13] |
| Birdman: | thhhhanks! | [06:14] |
| jurov: | btw, now the bot trains fine, was just yest weirdness | [06:24] |
| diana_coman: | good to know that, thanks jurov; it really was from the connection/messages mixup most likely | [07:15] |
| Birdman: | numbers for basic tool run (over 69 uses, all i had) | [07:29] |
| Birdman: | .71 hit rate, which is a little under what my imps used to get, compared to my .4 hit rate with imps earlier today | [07:30] |
| Birdman: | yields the same | [07:30] |
| jurov: | that number does not say anything i was doing exploring batches of 100-500 and the results still varied much | [07:37] |
| jurov: | so don't make any conclusions unless you have 1000s of samples | [07:37] |
| Birdman: | right, and ive done thousands of batches of the small grass claims seeing variation as well, but this is crazy enough to pique my interest | [07:44] |
| Birdman: | so im in the market of buying lots of basic tools | [07:45] |
| jurov: | Birdman: what price? | [07:46] |
| Birdman: | what price do they normally go for? i buy imps around 40k with 105 uses, so i guess we could go strictly on # of uses to get a price | [07:48] |
| jurov: | they trade sparsely, so there's no established price | [07:48] |
| jurov: | and yes, say per use | [07:48] |
| Birdman: | let me know the q on them | [07:49] |
| Birdman: | they use 187 if im not mistaken | [07:49] |
| Birdman: | and they give less exp, though i doubt anyone really knows by how much so we could just do a little less to make up for that | [07:49] |
| Birdman: | 187q per use* | [07:50] |
| jurov: | i have only improved atm, i (or anyone) may craft some basics if the price is interesting. but mine tools will prolly come out aroung 7-9k | [07:51] |
| Birdman: | looking at like 15k-20k as a rough guess | [07:52] |
| diana_coman: | mhm Birdman I'll sell 100 cruddy hoes at 9352q each, for 14k each | [07:52] |
| diana_coman: | obv don't mind if you want to pay 20k on each, lol | [07:53] |
| Birdman: | heh, uhh 100 is just a little steep, if the numbers turn up bad for me im out alot of money | [07:53] |
| Birdman: | cut it in half and call it 50 of them? | [07:54] |
| diana_coman: | then at 15k each | [07:54] |
| Birdman: | deal | [07:54] |
| diana_coman: | kk, gimme 1 min to finish this craft | [07:54] |
| Birdman: | see, no crazy conditions! ill be in town in like 10-15 gotta take care of somethin | [07:55] |
| diana_coman: | then ping me when you are in town; I'll be around for 20 minutes more | [07:55] |
| diana_coman: | if you miss that, I'll be back in a few hours | [07:55] |
| diana_coman: | no crazy conditions -> deal; crazy conditions -> no deal; that's all | [07:56] |
| Birdman: | sounds good | [07:56] |
| jurov: | Birdman: want exchange some money? | [07:56] |
| jurov: | i'll exchange for BTC, for S.MG, maybe for anything else | [07:57] |
| Birdman: | oh you want like an instant cash in | [07:58] |
| Birdman: | how much? | [07:58] |
| Birdman: | im not very eulora rich to be honest so i cant do much | [07:59] |
| jurov: | no i can sell you coppers | [08:00] |
| jurov: | and other way around, too, but not need it | [08:00] |
| jurov: | lol that was lamest sales pitch ever | [08:00] |
| Birdman: | ooh i see, im all set lol | [08:00] |
| Birdman: | id help you out if i could, eulora is definitely more of a safe spot for btc than what i have, but alas im bitbroke | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | just basic Birdman | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | and wow at this log | [08:04] |
| Birdman: | i think you bought some imps off me in the past then | [08:13] |
| Birdman: | are you still here diana | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well... | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | yes Birdman | [08:13] |
| Birdman: | ok im comin to town now | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu given the recent drop in tinkering q, do you plan to adjust the q thresholds in your shop or not? | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | so far I really find this change for the better overall | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the prices. | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | even despite the terrible experience in hit ratios earlier | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I was mainly curious for the simple reason that getting groceries for instance at 210 + will probably take at least 1 month by the current estimates, lol | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | kind of optimistic estimates anyway | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah im going to alling the min q down to 150, and the buy prices on a ~q80 basis from the current 130ish | [08:22] |
| diana_coman: | seems reasonable to me | [08:23] |
| Birdman: | 64/150, running yield numbers now | [08:43] |
| Birdman: | same yield too | [09:06] |
| Birdman: | trending towards even with imp tools but less exp | [09:07] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, so I have a toolkit at 1876q, which however eats up the bundle as "container too worn to be useful" despite the fact that the wear-down on what I am doing is 1172q points... | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc toolkit decay was like 2100 | [11:41] |
| DianaComan: | hm, maybe I got the number wrong then, will check | [11:41] |
| Birdman: | Multisig wallets is an idea that multiple people 'own' an address, needing a certain propotion of private keys to access funds | [11:42] |
| Birdman: | oo meant for assets, but i wont say it twice whatever | [11:43] |
| DianaComan: | ah, you were right mircea_popescu it is 2172 indeed, that's fine then | [11:46] |
| DianaComan: | ftr 7 level ranked up in mcguyver and output stayed at same q | [12:26] |
| Birdman: | im getting about the same hit rates with these basics which is pretty amazing, conisdering i get a 2k deposit on em, the only thing it is lacking is the experience that the imps give you, but for less than half the cost i can live with it | [12:32] |
| Birdman: | 64/150, 64/149, 45/99, 39/91 hit to total tries | [12:32] |
| Birdman: | oh and the same yield | [12:33] |
| Birdman2: | mining in the dark sucks | [14:06] |
| Birdman2: | Auctioning off 100k grass 23q starting at 1.38mil | [14:08] |
| Birdman2: | oh and i guess itll end two days from now | [14:10] |
| Birdman2: | that price is q adjusted, which is how you recommended i do it right mircea? | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5mn. | [14:26] |
| Birdman2: | 5mn heard | [14:28] |
| danielpbarron: | 6 mn | [14:38] |
| Birdman2: | 6mil heard | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 6.2 | [14:50] |
| Birdman2: | 6.2 heard | [14:54] |
| danielpbarron: | 6.41 mn | [15:45] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu 15 levels increase in mcguyver -> 0 increase in q | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts huh. | [19:35] |
| Birdman: | 6.41 heard | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm out. | [20:36] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [20:37] |
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