#eulora Logs for 12 Nov 2015



November 12th, 2015 by Diana Coman
mircea_popescu: :) [00:00]
mircea_popescu: go mining for a bit, i'll write you a book of crafting later. [00:00]
danielpbarron: eh the moss i have is good enough. lobbes when you get the tinkering skill come to me for a package to craft [00:07]
lobbes: k [00:07]
mircea_popescu: so lobbes , in recognition of all your work with the log and bot and such, ima give you a gift. at your option, you can have either : [01:13]
mircea_popescu: 22 Petrified Bubbles, or else [01:14]
mircea_popescu: 198 Slithy Toves, or else [01:14]
mircea_popescu: 509 Dead Molluscs [01:14]
mircea_popescu: lemme know which you want. [01:14]
lobbes: oh gad, hmm [01:14]
mircea_popescu: >D [01:14]
lobbes: I shall pick Slithy Toves [01:16]
lobbes: lemme make my way back to village [01:16]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, onesec. [01:17]
lobbes: found/built my first claim too, got some three-pointed thorns (no idea if that's good, but it is fun) [01:17]
mircea_popescu: cool! [01:19]
mircea_popescu: lobbes im same place. [01:23]
lobbes: k, on my way [01:24]
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone's got improved cruddy hoe bps, i'm buying. [01:25]
mircea_popescu: eeenjoy! [01:27]
lobbes: danielpbarron: I'm off to bed, but I hope to get some euloran fun in this weekend. Just got tinkering skill, so I'll ping you about that crafting [01:42]
diana_coman: lobbes ping me when you are around if you want to build some mushroom claims (I'll provide everything, you build them and give me the shrooms; you get the xp to level up and I'll give you 10\% if you hit big loot) [02:03]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there ever existed a game where noobs were in this much demand. [02:20]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I guess I'll take that deal on chetty sticks if it's still on [02:28]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, what you got ? [02:29]
diana_coman: I would prolly have the moss, but not the shrooms - that'll have to wait until lobbes gets in ideally [02:29]
diana_coman: if he doesn't want to do it, then until I catch someone else [02:29]
diana_coman: jurov> diana_coman: these small cdgs are waiting for someone? <- I think those are some I gave the keys+enums to hanbot long time ago, not sure if she ever got around to do anything with them [02:42]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu from rummaging around my storage, here's what I have: 12wm 140q + 36sm 157q 12Ã\u00971.4Ã\u0097778+36Ã\u0097157Ã\u00971.52 = 21660 so I guess that'd be for 1 stick or something; not sure if you wanted that or only the full set of sticks [04:00]
DianaComan: in any case, if I ever get a noob to build the wm claims I guess it actually makes more sense to sell the resulting wms (q below 80 I guess) on their own rather than part of such deal [04:01]
DianaComan: I have a complete package for making 30 ppb and corresponding 10 toothpaste, q is around 162 so anyone under that interested? jurov? hanbot? mod6? [08:14]
danielpbarron: DianaComan, what's the highest quality you can get on moss? What do you charge to build some claims if i provide the keys, enumerations, and ingredients? [09:08]
DianaComan: currently I seem to get on moss 139q only, danielpbarron; happy with that? [09:09]
danielpbarron: oh huh [09:10]
danielpbarron: i have enough around that q already [09:10]
danielpbarron: i thought maybe you got it around 200 [09:10]
DianaComan: q went down sharply lately [09:10]
DianaComan: it's recovering now, but it will take a while [09:11]
DianaComan: so maybe in a few days, lol [09:11]
danielpbarron: is moss not something farming improves? [09:11]
DianaComan: no [09:11]
danielpbarron: ah, then my question is for mircea_popescu [09:11]
DianaComan: moss is mining [09:11]
danielpbarron: he probably gets higher [09:12]
DianaComan: doubt that, but maybe [09:12]
danielpbarron: are you the highest in building? [09:12]
DianaComan: I don't know exactly since I don't know other people's levels [09:13]
danielpbarron: 139 is the highest moss quality?? [09:13]
DianaComan: did I mention all qualities went down sharply over the last few days? lol [09:13]
danielpbarron: i noticed [09:13]
DianaComan: I still have my own moss at 153 q, yes [09:13]
DianaComan: but that was mined by me ...some days ago [09:13]
danielpbarron: i used to get over 150 quality building [09:13]
danielpbarron: now i get 94 [09:14]
DianaComan: aha, so there [09:14]
DianaComan: it's not only for you it went down [09:14]
danielpbarron: i hadn't really been building [09:14]
danielpbarron: lobbes, ping me when you are around [09:14]
danielpbarron: my package is as good as it's gonna get [09:14]
danielpbarron: gonna give you high quality ingredients to make some improbable oil; I want the resulting oil and the looted blueprints [09:15]
DianaComan: actually looking back it seems I had the moss over 170 before q started going down quickly [09:19]
DianaComan: not that it helps in anyway right now [09:19]
jurov: DianaComan: when my output got over 100 loot declined much (don't have exact data), so I'll pass [11:33]
DianaComan: do you get over 100 on cooking too? [11:34]
mitch_callahan: sorry for all of those network connections I was making. not sure wtf is up. i have to replace this IRC client of mine. [11:36]
jurov: DianaComan: cooked nothing yet [11:38]
DianaComan: jurov you made the toothpaste, lol [11:39]
jurov: o i confused i with bouquinism [11:39]
jurov: the fp was over 90, too [11:40]
jurov: *ftp [11:40]
mircea_popescu: "ftp ? [12:31]
DianaComan: he meant flinty toothpaste [12:34]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool tho, i gotta make a http and a ssl. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i only got sortage, moss is not basic. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: but if you want i can mine it, also about 130 something q. maybe 120s by now [12:43]
mircea_popescu: o btw lobbes if you're selling that ST, let me know. [12:43]
DianaComan: awww lobbes why didn't you pick the bubbles - those would have fetched a very pretty sum, lol [12:47]
DianaComan: out of curiosity: what q are the newly injected ST? [12:47]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan or the cheese! [12:48]
DianaComan: yeah actually, OR the molluscs omg [12:53]
DianaComan: meanwhile I'm finding TLC in all sorts of new places but *nothing new* - most frustrating [12:54]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan they call it beginner's luck :D [12:54]
DianaComan: ha ha, and an apt introduction to eulora at that, I'd say [12:55]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile im cooking up some cp. i've had it with this no lbn situation, will grind the screens down a little more wtf. [12:55]
DianaComan: will you sell any lbn? [12:55]
mircea_popescu: glwhshghrhs [12:55]
DianaComan: lol [12:55]
mircea_popescu: hey, you got any screen left ? [12:56]
DianaComan: yes [12:56]
mircea_popescu: i'll trade lbn for screen how about that. [12:56]
DianaComan: the devil is in the details as usual [12:56]
mircea_popescu: what does it yield, 103 per click ? [12:56]
mircea_popescu: hmm i wonder how one could work out this deal [12:56]
DianaComan: iirc yes [12:56]
DianaComan: that's the trouble [12:56]
mircea_popescu: what \% do you want for table durability if you get to buy back the resulting lbn in qty of 103 * clicks in it at 45 ea ? [12:57]
DianaComan: ugh, will have to run some numbers when I get back to the game to grab some concrete data [12:58]
mircea_popescu: no rush. [12:58]
danielpbarron: how much is lbn worth? [12:59]
danielpbarron: has over 10k at 11 quality [12:59]
mircea_popescu: i'd pay 300k for your bundle. [13:01]
mircea_popescu: in other news i'm making cp at 207. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: who's da masta cook! [13:04]
lobbes: DianaComan: awww lobbes why didn't you pick the bubbles - those would have fetched a very pretty sum, lol << lol, I had a feeling I'd make the less-optimal choice [13:12]
lobbes: and mircea_popescu, I'll sell you some of those ST, sure. I'll ping you about it once I jump on this weekend [13:14]
mircea_popescu: heh so the only practical way to do shredding is with a screen and a table. to collect all the piles pof paper. [13:57]
hanbot: i'm also about out of lbn. gone are the days of easy exploring. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: we burned through who knows how much, 100k ? [14:15]
danielpbarron: lobbes> and mircea_popescu, I'll sell you some of those ST, sure << lemme make an offer too; what is the quality? [14:31]
DianaComan: hanbot> i'm also about out of lbn. gone are the days of easy exploring. <- funny how the bot made exploring so easy as to cause a lack of lbn which makes exploring ...difficult, lol [14:36]
hanbot: mhm! [14:36]
danielpbarron: feel free to bid on my bits [14:36]
DianaComan: oh wow, 10k lbn [14:37]
mircea_popescu: lol DianaComan only sorta half-way reads the log [14:38]
DianaComan: I just got back, lolz [14:38]
DianaComan: going backwards [14:38]
DianaComan: would pay 350k for the stack danielpbarron [14:39]
DianaComan: is going back to town to check screens and figure out some price on wearing them down [14:40]
danielpbarron: maybe i'll make a formal auction out of it on sunday [14:42]
danielpbarron: i think i should start to have sundays free again from now on [14:43]
hanbot: i'd prolly bid too [14:43]
hanbot: btw mircea_popescu do you need bps for shredding or whatever else? i have a bunch: 1437 cc, 44145 cft, 1722 ct, 10060 dg, 44571 ibs, 2184 ppb, 16034 srs, 4797 s [14:43]
mircea_popescu: ill take the ibs and cft. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: what qs are they ? [14:44]
danielpbarron: wants low quality blueprints [14:44]
DianaComan: hmm, anyone selling kilt bps? [14:45]
hanbot: ~80q [14:45]
danielpbarron: if you're looking for higher quality blueprints to shred, maybe i could sell, provided i get the usual premium on them [14:45]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 20c for cft , 27c for ibs ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan if you sell me some eps i can make some kilts thus looting some bps. [14:45]
DianaComan: or hanbot, would you make some kilts for me? I'll provide everything, just click and give me the result + loot [14:46]
mircea_popescu: or that. [14:46]
DianaComan: uhm, are you sure you loot mircea_popescu? I'd rather have hanbot do it really [14:46]
mircea_popescu: the kit is like what, 2k total ? [14:46]
DianaComan: I barely loot anything on them, not sure how would you loot more [14:46]
hanbot: mircea_popecu okay. DianaComan my tinkering is 107 by now if that changes anything [14:47]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, would you pay 30c per cft blueprint at 141 quality? [14:47]
hanbot: lemme trade with mp first in any case [14:47]
DianaComan: you mean the bundle? the bp is 129 only, 11rr+1tpt+1eps [14:47]
danielpbarron: you don't wait for anyone else to bid? [14:47]
danielpbarron: just take first offer? [14:47]
DianaComan: sure, I'll get things out first anyway [14:47]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron notrly, i want either low q for undercrafting or high q for shredding. 141 is kinda neither [14:47]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan it's mcguyver you realise, i get 2.5k decay from tools. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: hanbot get them out of storage, im ~5 minutes from finishing this bouq run [14:48]
DianaComan: ah, there is that too, right [14:48]
mircea_popescu: and looted a tiny sparks sup. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: is this the first time ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: 5 beetle brews. hey, anyone got md already ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: 4800 lbn, better than nothing. [14:53]
DianaComan: not bad at all, I think the sparks supp might be first one indeed [14:53]
mircea_popescu: but this is going to be the last lbn i make before i get more screens. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: ok hanbot ready [14:54]
hanbot: 882900 + 1203417 = 2086317 mircea_popescu [14:54]
mircea_popescu: did we have outsdanding balances ? [14:54]
hanbot: nah [14:54]
mircea_popescu: thankee! [14:55]
hanbot: thanks. DianaComan can take kilt items now [14:55]
DianaComan: cool, coming [14:56]
hanbot: i don't have a bandar toolkit tho' [14:56]
hanbot: ah ah [14:57]
DianaComan: do you see it? [14:57]
danielpbarron: hanbot, 380c on the cc, 70c on the slag, 450c on the ppb ? [14:57]
DianaComan: I've put it down [14:57]
hanbot: got it [14:57]
hanbot: danielpbarron sure. am kilting, but reserved for you [14:58]
danielpbarron: and uh, 50c on the dg ? [14:59]
mircea_popescu: nah i had sparks before. [14:59]
DianaComan: supps you mean? [15:00]
danielpbarron: i've looted sparks supp drafts [15:00]
mircea_popescu: ya [15:00]
DianaComan: aha [15:00]
hanbot: danielpbarron works [15:00]
DianaComan: ha, gung-ho gumbo trained by bot finally [15:03]
mircea_popescu: o ? [15:04]
hanbot: DianaComan 46 kilt bps looted + ~40 others [15:05]
DianaComan: I guess it's because I did not have the skill on the last version of the bot so I could not actually test it at all [15:05]
DianaComan: yay hanbot, thanks! [15:05]
DianaComan: oh wow, that's a first hanbot, wd! [15:05]
mircea_popescu: and my grass is 236 [15:07]
hanbot: what's a first? [15:08]
DianaComan: the diagram, not sure I saw it before? [15:08]
DianaComan: I'll check [15:08]
DianaComan: well, at least I did not have it although the name sounds familiar but not sure where from - either it was at the merchant or maybe in some other bp as ingredient, mhm [15:09]
jurov: mircea_popescu: i have realized i have 5 ord flotsam outstanding, they need (together) 40 md, 15 wm, 5 ss, 20 dcs [16:04]
jurov: so i'm on market for these high q [16:05]
danielpbarron: hanbot, what's your bouq quality? maybe i can sell you my higher q blueprints [16:30]
mircea_popescu: jurov that's nice but there's been a shortage of md for months now [16:37]
DianaComan: and ss are actually not found as far as I know [16:39]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, im out of dcs too. anyone got ? [16:40]
jurov: i am not well informed of such matters [16:41]
DianaComan: just 15 dcs mircea_popescu at 150q [16:41]
mircea_popescu: ouch. you know dcs is needed for toolkits ? [16:41]
mircea_popescu: we need moar. [16:41]
DianaComan: they are needed for all sorts of things; they also weigh a ton each [16:41]
DianaComan: and they are MINING [16:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah [16:42]
mircea_popescu: oh did you get danielpbarron 's lbn ? [16:43]
DianaComan: no, he said he "might" auction it on Sunday [16:43]
DianaComan: .... [16:43]
mircea_popescu: heh. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: well im not going over 350 anywya. [16:43]
DianaComan: reading only half the logs? [16:43]
DianaComan: me neither, lol [16:43]
DianaComan: maybe hanbot does, dunno [16:44]
DianaComan: btw need a rockpile for anything mircea_popescu? I can't recall where I saw it [16:46]
mircea_popescu: so i burned 300 lbn in ... hour and a half. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: it's like 200 / hour is it. [16:46]
DianaComan: aha [16:46]
DianaComan: depends on what you mine [16:46]
mircea_popescu: grass. [16:46]
DianaComan: but on basics yeah, pretty much [16:46]
mircea_popescu: but yeah that time i tried for md/wm/sm i used like 10 i na night [16:46]
DianaComan: aha [16:47]
DianaComan: it's not *that* bad on something more reasonable than those [16:47]
DianaComan: not even sure moonass phase is anywhere near the end though as that would be great [16:47]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've been doing great on grass. [16:48]
DianaComan: but from previous experience I still expect it to get worse first [16:48]
DianaComan: it's hard to tell on those basic stuffs [16:48]
DianaComan: it's the rare ones where it's visible plainly [16:48]
mircea_popescu: how hard to tell could it be, i put in like 10mn got out like 18 [16:49]
DianaComan: yes, but was it always around there? on basics it's never miss, on rares now you got how many misses? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: actually i miss on sr about 10\% or so [16:51]
DianaComan: oh, so isn't this different /worse than it used to be? [16:51]
DianaComan: you think it is just gathering skill or what? [16:51]
mircea_popescu: funny thing : i started with 1111 lbn/cft , i now have 824 lbn 831 cft [16:51]
mircea_popescu: almost parity. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan iirc i never missed on sr back when i was top miner [16:52]
DianaComan: thing is: did you miss 10\% all the time when you were not top miner? [16:53]
mircea_popescu: pretty much. [16:53]
DianaComan: oh [16:53]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this run so far's been pretty miserable. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: btw you got my 10k cft done yet ? [16:54]
DianaComan: yours? lol [16:55]
DianaComan: this night should be the last run for it [16:55]
mircea_popescu: mine! ALL MINE!11 [16:55]
DianaComan: I left it exploring last night to test some anti-lag stuff [16:55]
DianaComan: and OF COURSE there was NO LAG this night [16:55]
mircea_popescu: did it work ? lol. [16:55]
mircea_popescu: btw you know about /ping right ? [16:56]
DianaComan: la modul sindrom de halat alb a mers presupun [16:56]
DianaComan: yes, so what? as long as I'm around it NEVER lags the shit [16:56]
mircea_popescu: you can include it in your testing, have it ping now and again i guess [16:56]
DianaComan: ugh [16:57]
DianaComan: and what would it do anyway ? I'll end up making a separate local thing to restart the client then or what [16:57]
mircea_popescu: no, you'd know if there's lag or not. [16:57]
DianaComan: (which then would be useful to collect the bits from keys etc) [16:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, there doesn't seem a way out of this. ima have to bite the bullet and use up my high q molluscs ;/ [16:59]
DianaComan: what were you saving them for? [17:00]
mircea_popescu: i dont want to mix q400+ dm at 2k base with q 85 ST at 5k base. [17:00]
DianaComan: ah, yes- dunno if lobbes' st is higher q [17:01]
mircea_popescu: but whatever, by the time q 11 lbn go for 35 ea i figure ima just sell my q 190 ones for 50 and that'll be that. [17:01]
DianaComan: probably anyway; tbh I kept trying to figure out a pricing for screens, but the more I turn it around the more it seems to make more sense to just do the shredding myself and sod it [17:01]
DianaComan: I get about 160q anyway and whatever loot [17:02]
mircea_popescu: aha [17:02]
DianaComan: so I'm ...shredding [17:02]
mircea_popescu: we'll be badly out of bps in short order. [17:02]
DianaComan: you mean any in particular or like..most? [17:03]
mircea_popescu: everything that shreds. [17:03]
DianaComan: uhm [17:03]
mircea_popescu: the current abundance of shredding bps for instance is predicated on the huge overcrafts we do as a matter of course. by the time we shred for the lbn, doing 1 each, cause out of bps, they'll start drawing down. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: im already working at very little count gain, with 4900 bundle q. [17:05]
DianaComan: not sure I follow that: the bps come from crafting which gets high overcraft due to sortage etc [17:05]
mircea_popescu: my lbn is 190, my bps are 200ish. what overcraft ? [17:05]
DianaComan: oh, you mean the shredding bps themselves [17:05]
mircea_popescu: yes. [17:05]
DianaComan: kept thinking of the bps TO shred, lol [17:06]
mircea_popescu: well, there's no question about it that those are going. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: we're currently sitting on a huge glut due to various fortunate circumstances / original imbalances. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: but you can't replace them at the rate you shred them. [17:06]
DianaComan: well, there are people with low bouq to make more bps I suppose, though ..molluscs needed [17:06]
DianaComan: yes [17:06]
mircea_popescu: so eventually you will be running shredding without overcraft, just for the lbn [17:07]
mircea_popescu: at which point the shredding bps themselves will be drawing down [17:07]
DianaComan: or sod the lbn and use sticks only :))) [17:07]
mircea_popescu: or that. [17:07]
DianaComan: oh wow, says I managed 0.2 crafting but I did not notice, lol [17:09]
mircea_popescu: hey, wd. doing what ? [17:10]
DianaComan: shredding... [17:10]
mircea_popescu: wait, 0.02 or actually 0.2 ? [17:10]
DianaComan: 0.02 sorry [17:10]
mircea_popescu: well, 2mn, still pretty good. [17:10]
DianaComan: oh, I got 374 uppity chickens, guess that's it [17:10]
mircea_popescu: prolly. [17:10]
mircea_popescu: since lobbesbot seems on vacation, http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/ [18:30]
lobbesbot: Title: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [18:30]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to process 30 suspect ointments for me ? [18:42]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction <http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/> [19:13]
lobbes: strangles lobbesbot [19:13]
mircea_popescu: aww! [19:16]
lobbes: why is RSS such a pain with bots? I gotta pick trinque's brain; deedbot- is the only one I've seen that doesn't seem to have these issues [19:17]
mircea_popescu: knows next to nothing on this topic [19:20]
hanbot: <danielpbarron> hanbot, what's your bouq quality? maybe i can sell you my higher q blueprints << 21. you could in theory, but i don't have any screens, nor is ordering one too plausible atm [19:30]
hanbot: btw ping me w/e it'd be convenient for you to pick up those bps you wanted to buy [19:30]
danielpbarron: hanbot, ping [23:37]

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