| diana_coman: | * danielpbarron is rank 400 in gathering! <- congratulations! | [03:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | beat you did he | [03:29] |
| diana_coman: | well, he got to 400 first, sure | [03:29] |
| diana_coman: | I did not focus on growing gathering itself for quite a while | [03:30] |
| diana_coman: | I've been trying to map the damn thing rather | [03:30] |
| diana_coman: | it's kind of weird in some sense that now I should probably burn some sticks and get there though | [03:32] |
| diana_coman: | so that I don't start soon having misses just because of gathering not high enough or something | [03:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha | [03:35] |
| diana_coman: | curious what the diff in building is though if he hasn't really built much of all that gathering | [03:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i made it to 240 meanwhile. | [03:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman how much \% of the map are you done ? | [03:40] |
| diana_coman: | not bad, not sure where were you | [03:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | <200. | [03:40] |
| diana_coman: | hard to say mircea_popescu considering land vs water/side of hills | [03:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [03:40] |
| diana_coman: | just by looking at the whole 1000x1000 thing it's far from anything, lol | [03:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | do it in pixels. there's what, 1mn pixels to cover the whole map ? | [03:41] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [03:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | what ? | [03:41] |
| diana_coman: | don't see what you want/the point of doing something else with it | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | gnuplot's window is actually zoomable as it is | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | and it DOES give me the exact position if I want it | [03:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just mean, out of the 1mn different coords, how many did you touch | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | oh geez, probably not even 40\% by the looks of it | [03:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | huge job huh | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | what looks like solid in the images as published | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | are in fact NOT | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | if you go in detail | [03:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [03:43] |
| diana_coman: | yeah | [03:43] |
| diana_coman: | then again, unless some resource really is like 1 precise pixel thing | [03:43] |
| diana_coman: | not sure the point is to cover ALL pixels | [03:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | even if you're talking 1 hit with a hoe, it's still 100mn coppers just to cover it | [03:43] |
| diana_coman: | yes, and obv that's hugely underestimated | [03:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20bn with a stick... | [03:44] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha | [03:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | ONCE | [03:44] |
| diana_coman: | I went a bit first for covering big bald patches | [03:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | makes sense. | [03:44] |
| diana_coman: | then for the coordinates that were given for the ST | [03:44] |
| diana_coman: | but somehow either I misunderstood them | [03:44] |
| diana_coman: | or..dunno | [03:45] |
| diana_coman: | haven't found it yet | [03:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | why ? | [03:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | how do you misunderstand a spot. | [03:45] |
| diana_coman: | well, it said "at 6 or at 760" | [03:45] |
| diana_coman: | for instance | [03:45] |
| diana_coman: | 670 | [03:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | huh ? | [03:45] |
| diana_coman: | lol, what is the "spot" you are talking about? | [03:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh wait, what coords were given for st ? | [03:46] |
| diana_coman: | lol, good morning | [03:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | im confused. | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that was clear, but it seems you realised only now | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | anyway | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | at the event with the raven, remember? | [03:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | those coordinates | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | "at 628 or at 6 or at 234 below or at 207 below or at 670, 5 places in all yadda yadda" | [03:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had to go read it again lol | [03:48] |
| diana_coman: | I saved the important bits :p | [03:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i was talking about covering the bald patches | [03:49] |
| diana_coman: | that works in what it works, sure | [03:49] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: covered them, found all sorts, nothing new | [03:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | my problem atm is that i am not actually grass positive. | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [03:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i used up ~5k cft, got about 8k grass | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | oh wait, what quality do you get on it? | [03:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 269 now | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | maybe that's why I guess | [03:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | still too high ? | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose so | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | I get about 167 | [03:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it going down is a good thing ? | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | and I always end up positive (if using 3 threads) | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | how? | [03:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | more grass. | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I don't think you'll end up there | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [03:51] |
| diana_coman: | do you end up negative on all other basics? | [03:52] |
| diana_coman: | sb for instance? | [03:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're about the same from what i've seen. or what do you mean ? | [03:52] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, then that is a problem indeed | [03:52] |
| diana_coman: | so you have high sortage and therefore high quality, but then that actually makes you take a loss on mining them? | [03:52] |
| diana_coman: | geez | [03:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... i did get ~30k of grass in a single go. | [03:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the problem is that single find needs context. i can't you know, hang the cft hope on a large find, which may be 1:1000 or 1:1mn | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | since i got it, i've been going lower on cft not higher. | [03:54] |
| diana_coman: | he he, I remember that's pretty much what you were actually saying one should earlier in the day when you were actually not doing that much mining :p | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, maybe i get another large one and i sorta see-saw upwards. but i dunno yet, so im studying it. | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway i dun feel too comfortable mining anything else atm, until i get a good idea of how much grass extra is available in reality. | [03:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i DID find a few ordinaries, but they need snails and lh. neither of which you got ? | [03:55] |
| diana_coman: | why don't you get a noob to build your claims? | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | snails I have | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | because i need the baseline. | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes but do you have 150 of em ? | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | lh are so hugely negative that I'd need to charge 8k for one or something | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch > 1k\% ? nuts. | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | lol, I kept selling eps | [03:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i kept finding claims. | [03:57] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, 1 stick -> 3 lh | [03:57] |
| diana_coman: | 1 stick -> 2 tlc | [03:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | small ? | [03:57] |
| diana_coman: | yes, small claim which gives me constantly just that | [03:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like 23k for 3 ouch. | [03:58] |
| diana_coman: | yep, why I said 8k for one | [03:58] |
| diana_coman: | no? | [03:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well im not paying 30k+ on the lh alone to dig up an ord grass. | [03:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill get 200 grass out of it and make 70 threads worth what, 1k each ? | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | considering the theory with global seasons or whatever | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | we need to wiat | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | wait | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | I know | [03:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | mebbe | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | but that's why I'm not mining lh simply | [03:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen, what would you charge to sell me stick lh finds you make ? | [03:59] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, how the hell to price that | [04:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the stick is 20k, and you get to keep the xp, so how about hm. say 15k ea if you do 10. | [04:01] |
| diana_coman: | let me calc a bit with the lh | [04:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | does it make a diff what it is ? | [04:01] |
| diana_coman: | well, my first approach was 20k - 3*value of lh | [04:02] |
| diana_coman: | which turns out to be 16k | [04:02] |
| diana_coman: | so kind of there, yes | [04:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got 10 sticks ? | [04:03] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [04:03] |
| diana_coman: | I can do that | [04:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | wanna go for it ? | [04:03] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I'll do it | [04:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty, let's see how this works. say when the job's done ima come over dig them up. | [04:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | if nothing else it'll give us another pricing point, can't hurt. | [04:04] |
| diana_coman: | ok, it will take a while though as I need first to mix some sticks and then it takes ages to dig with them anyway | [04:04] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [04:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | bout a coupla hours i guess ? | [04:06] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully that's max, yes | [04:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be interesting. | [04:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q do you get now in grocery ? 160 ? | [04:07] |
| diana_coman: | 174 or a bit more | [04:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty good. | [04:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i'm ~ 125 or so | [04:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in theory i should get no less than 4. | [04:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | or possibly no less than 5 ? | [04:09] |
| diana_coman: | well, for all I know you end up with 20 | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [04:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | from what i've seen, esp with chetty stiocks on high value stuff (say wm) there's basically a baseline minimum | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | ok, first stick started | [04:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise sure, i got 4mn worth of grass from a small once. | [04:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if memory serves 13 or so mn worth of sr ? i forget. | [04:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again maybe you get me a remarkable, then i'm set :D | [04:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaaand another ordinary. | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, you think you'd be able to build a remarkable? | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | I am kind of at a loss to build an ord of tlc | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | as it requires 4 pacademia nuts | [04:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, i wouldn't be able to build it, but i think it'd put me in the green :p | [04:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i might have 4 nuts. | [04:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima check it out next im in town | [04:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman how long does a stick actually take you, btw ? | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | never had the patience to wait around to measure it really, lol | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | so I tend to start it, leave it, check later | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I did 3 so far, stared on the 4th now | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | so that's what, 25 minutes for 3 at most | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | probably some dead times in there | [04:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 8 minutes each, that's cheap. | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman done is it ? | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | doing the last one now as I got caught up a bit while running around | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw: only smalls, not even 1 level up | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | I guess it should rank up with this last one now | [05:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha... | [05:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | where you at ? | [05:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ? | [05:55] |
| diana_coman: | sent it in game | [05:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | done. | [05:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | 57 | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like 3k each, which isn't actually THAT terrible. pretty bad, still. | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov prolly done a lot better. | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | or mod | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | as i got them 138 | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | or grena | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | pe ea nu prea reusesc sa o prind online nicicum, lol | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so what do you pay on 4 pacanuts ? | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | q100 | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | and got eps you say ? | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | so they are like 1500 value | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | I still have only 9 eps right now | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | any use for low q tlc? | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | aok | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | or only high q? | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, it doesn't make a diff. acg is 20k of which 1k tthe tlc. | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | so better low q then if it gets more | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of have the option now to either get the 100q nuts and build it with a noob | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | or use my 440q nuts and build it myself I suppose | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | or buiold the 440 with a noob,. | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | what do you want for the nuts? | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i started an imp now, so it'll be tomorrow. | [06:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | im off. | [06:13] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [06:13] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> curious what the diff in building is though if he hasn't really built much of all that gathering << very big difference; I'm still under 200 building | [07:15] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> bout a coupla hours i guess ? << does it take that long for you guys to use a chetty stick? I'm pretty sure mine finish in about 5 minutes each, so 10 would take less than an hour | [07:22] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron I did not stay around | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | so it surely takes less | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hhhhh ola | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i didn't miss the auction did i ? | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron she said 8 mins each, mind it was a set of 10 | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw diana_coman wanna do the same with tlc ? | [13:17] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: what did you want next? sb? | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | moss if you feel adventurous, sb ; sr and f from the basics. | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | finished those axes ? | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw mod6 ever got the bot going ? | [13:26] |
| jurov: | no, was not online yest nor today | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | my god building gets easy after 240 or so | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | it feels like <100 again. | [13:28] |
| mod6: | < mircea_popescu> btw mod6 ever got the bot going ? << no not quite yet. it's on my list for this coming week. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's pretty wicked. | [13:31] |
| mod6: | i was amazed at how close some of the claims were next to eachother out there. and the bot seems to handle that great. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | it does. i have been using it full bore to ruin everyone's quality for two weeks now. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | perhaps you njoticed this :D | [13:33] |
| mod6: | haha. yeah. i'm only building at qual ~77, where i was building at ~120 about 6 weeks ago. | [13:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's all me, supposedly. | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, mod6, that 77 qual is very sweet for mp's industries amalgamated. please to go mine very large bulks of things | [13:36] |
| mod6: | My hope was to get this bot up and running and then to start just letting it run at night. | [13:37] |
| mod6: | Ah, see that's just the key... | [13:37] |
| mod6: | If I run the bot, I'll level too quick and wont be as useful. | [13:37] |
| mod6: | So for now, maybe I just get it up and working, but maybe not over-use it. | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | that'd be a great plan. | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | no you won't lol. | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | use it, rape it, my friend. | [13:38] |
| mod6: | haha | [13:38] |
| mod6: | So I'm about to put out this version 99999 of V to the ML today, and after that, I'm gonna try to get the bot going this week. Well, as well as the SoBA, but yeah, that's my short term plan for the week. | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | o also, you can use the bot tyo make those sweet maps diana has | [13:39] |
| mod6: | Foxy said she'd hold my hand a bit on the configuration, but it shouldn't be too bad with the bot. | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | she published the perl necessary. | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah it's trivial really. | [13:40] |
| mod6: | oh neat! | [13:40] |
| mod6: | yeah, im looking forward to trying to discover some of the claim spots that a little bird told me about. | [13:40] |
| mod6: | well, i think it was a bird... | [13:41] |
| mod6: | he sometimes looked like a bird... | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty boys and girls, the auction's gonna start presently! get ye in the gam-e! | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | who else am i calling.... hm, seems everyone's hgere. | [14:00] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu btw diana_coman wanna do the same with tlc ? <- yes | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu would you make me the ingredients for an unsteady scaffolding? (or the us itself) | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i would make you 30, if i onlty had dm. | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | how many go into 1 us? | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the problem. it takes a lot of things, but i have been slowly buildcing stocks strategically. dm however i can't help. | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | it takes 3 cheese and cheese wants 5 each. | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | omg | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i know. | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | I have no clue whatsoever about dm | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, it goes in the grocery tab i know that much. | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, go do 20 tlc ? got stix ? | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | do you still want the 10 sticks on tlc? should I start? | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | lol, 20? | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | let me check | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | well yeah, it goes there, but there is about a *ton* of ground to cover and not only once either for any chance of finding the molluscs | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | and incidentally - once you make that table, are you selling it or using it ? | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | I think I'll probably use it, but I will sell blueprints of it, sure | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | or make another one and sell it | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | if I have the ingredients to do that, obv | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | well if you use it, ima need rostrums. | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | what for? | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | or w/e they're called\ | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | for ds-200 books | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | oh, those, right | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | if I get any, I'll sell them, sure | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | never saw any so far though | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, 100mn worth of craft of all types later, i suspect it might actually be a lapidary thing. | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | as i never dropped that recipe. noxious something thing i have | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | I know, even I got that one from somewhere | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | don't recall where from even, tbh | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I got the noxious whatever | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | never the rostrum | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | as I said: as soon as I get the turning wheel done, I'll do as much lapidary as I can (and obv overcraft) | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | if any rostrum appears, I'll sell them | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you have any recipes ? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | or it, whatever | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | at least some | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do they ask for ? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | don't know how many there are | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | best build stocks early | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I'll go through them as they might have changed | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise I made the things even before that | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's become my main principle here. "figure out what you need and can't do, pile up the things yo ucan do. you never know if 200q of today will be available in a month" | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | the neckerbocker for instance | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | and that's something I'll do for the bps anyway | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | o is that lapidary ? sweet | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill want bps too | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, pretty much | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise it's kind of useless things atm but I'll do them anyway | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: wedding rings | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lapidary turns out to be a pretty important skill.. | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, you say you don't have now enough molluscs for a us, right? | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | so it's still kind of stuck until we get some molluscs? | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | I have only 5 left, at 100q | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | if that's of any help whatsoever | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have some but they are q 400+ | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless i get high q st i dun wanna use them | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | I've been going up and down for that st for at least 2 days non-stop now | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't seem to make much good | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but why st rather than dm ? for one thing, st is not grocery. for the other thing, st is like 5k base, mollusc is like 1k base | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | well yeah, how do I start searching for dm? | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | completely random | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | sure, did that too | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmyeah. | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | the thing with st was that I had (or thought I did) some clues | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | more research needed. | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | I keep looking at that map | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | coming with some ideas, but no clue if they are any good | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | and any "testing" takes a ton of time | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | (not to mention other stuff such as lbn and tools) | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again... this is a sicentist's/statistician's wet dream isnt it | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh incidentally... for more lbn we need... more screens, read : more scaffolding. | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, I know | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | but you know, already killed a ton of molluscs for screens so far, lol | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | o you made some screens yourself ? | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | no, when you made them | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah yeah. i made 2 so far. 1st for research | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | thanks the stars above that dropped like crazy | [16:07] |
| jurov: | the molluscs were already dead when you mined them, no? or you mean inelusive snails? | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | at least that given that the us did not drop anything at all at least not at that single try | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | kind of killed them a second time, jurov | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | I wish it was about eps | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i DO need ~200 eps too | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman of course it was a matter of different differentials too. you were what, 160 ? grenadine iirc 70ish | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | 40 vs 130. apparently it matters. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. 90\%+ of the ingredients for us are the suspect ointment. so it all really rests on the mollusc. | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | thankfully at least that makes sense | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | great resting place, all solid, organic and alive or how was that? | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | all i know is, somebody'd better find teh mollusc. | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov you got eps ? | [16:13] |
| jurov: | only few, if at all | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah k. | [16:14] |
| jurov: | sm goes quite well, may end up with 1k of it when i wear down all hardware | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | o sweet then! | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | you hear that diana_coman ? | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | take example! | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | lolz mircea_popescu I think you really don't want any more resources from me or something | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol why | [16:16] |
| diana_coman: | I'm full of examples or something | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the contrary, i want you to say like jurov says, "oh, dm, goes quite well, may end up with 1k" | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | then i could buy 1k dm, make 60 or so SU, use 30, sell 30... and how happy i'd be! | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I want to be able to say that too | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | since when wanting did anything? | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | we need to believe harder. | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | I have no faith it seems | [16:18] |
| diana_coman: | that's all with others | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | eulora is true capitalism : people buy their faith at auction. | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | 60 su would only take me three days to make, to! | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahah | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | ok, mircea_popescu I have 20 sticks - do you want me to go and dig 20 small tlc claims for you, same terms as we did for lh earlier? | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup. | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I'll start on it in 5 minutes then | [16:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lock them like b4, say when done, ill swoop over and do them. atm just digging grass os i'm around more or less at a minute's notice. | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will do | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | oh, just realised: do you want me to dig them up at the spot near the grass? | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | or it doesn't matter? | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu ^ | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i couldn't care less. | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | wherever it's convenient, takes me 2 minutes to walk there | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, anyone want this higher q grass ? perhaps in exchange for your lower q grass or something ? | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | feels kinda waste to burn 260 grass to make q200 cft | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | I'd take it, but not sure you want mine? | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q is it ? | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | should be about 156 I think | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're paying the diff i'd go for that. | [17:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | in cash or grass, either way. | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | how do you calculate the diff? | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | fuck, I hit a wpl spot instead of tlc | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | so it will take longer, lol | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol k. | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | in this case count * (269-156)*60* 1.25 | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | sounds good to me, I'm up for that | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty. i prolly got more than you, so say whenever you'e in town and we can throw it. | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | yes, let me finish now this run of sticks and I'll go and check then what I have | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | gotta love this: other than tlc, there is no other grocery resource in the bps I have so far for lapidary, lol | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | but I'll need gin basically, mircea_popescu | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | and...braided thread, lol | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | cbt that is easy | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | bct, but yes | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | so how much of that do you want ? | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | I even have some stashes, but prolly you make higher q now | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i make about 202 | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | I'll need to get back to village and check (I grabbed my bps and checked them while out chetty sticking lol) | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | for starters and as a minimum I'd say 100 io, 100 acg, 200 bct, 100 sr, 100 sb high q | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of hope to get more diverse recipes from it too | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | for now the most expensive bp I have would be base value of ingredients 7.5k | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 200 btc is no problem. | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 100 io also no problem once jurov delivers sm. | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | it's mostly gin this more expensive one | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | the one with io is base value 6k so not that bad anyway | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, gin will be a problem. | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | so I kind of have no choice but go ahead with the middle one with io | [17:39] |
| jurov: | you can now craft btc directly? | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, did I say btc? | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | braided coarse thread | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | bct | [17:40] |
| jurov: | mircea did | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i said cbt! because bct. not btc! | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | buncha dyslexics! | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | interesting, is the base value of a crafted item precisely the sum of base values of its ingredients? container worn and tool worn doesn't even count in there? | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | just had this pop out at me | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah\ | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was talking about this a few days ago re overcraft and the difference between tinkering and cooking | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron do you have any dead molluscs for sale? | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | well, at least that makes it easy to calculate I suppose :p | [17:56] |
| diana_coman: | should add a calculator to that index of bps whenever I get time for it | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | wiki also could benefit from more in-depth discussion of economy.mechanics, but it's one of those things | [18:04] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> danielpbarron do you have any dead molluscs for sale? << no | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu out of 20 sticks on tlc I got 17 smalls + 3 ord; since I said above "20 smalls" let me know if you want the 17 smalls +3 ord or actually want 20 smalls (I'm fine either way) | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill take the 20 as they are, that's the idea. | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | pass me coords, ima go to town to unload an' come over. | [19:21] |
| diana_coman: | thought so, but kind of got into sticking to super-precision these days | [19:21] |
| diana_coman: | -311.35 44.94 -184.69 | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | whats the ord take ? | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | heh, remember what I was asking you for, earlier today? | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | 4 nuts | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | 1 eps, 1 st | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | a that's not so bad, i guess i build them. what else ? | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | 10 beans, 3 tubers | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | word.\ | [19:23] |
| diana_coman: | 2 sg | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima build all 3, curious what this'll do. | [19:23] |
| diana_coman: | great, curious too | [19:23] |
| diana_coman: | ftr re timing: I burnt 22 sticks actually since I burnt 2 in the woods (wpl stuff) lol | [19:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | omw | [19:25] |
| diana_coman: | btw all 3 smalls were after the 12th try | [19:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha... | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | o tghere you are. ok so lets do the ords first | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | \ | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | acvtyually no, smalls first | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | they go much faster. | [19:27] |
| diana_coman: | well, I give you all and you do whatever you want, lol | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah lemme see if i can actually store 22 items lol | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i can. cool. | [19:28] |
| diana_coman: | going through keys here... | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahhh im excited :D | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | bumping you to 16k per hit. | [19:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i just opned a claim and it says "this claim has been used" ?! | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | wtf? | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | sigur n-ai deschis pe aia de wpl? | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | a nm wpl | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | aham | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol it got us both | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | da | [19:37] |
| diana_coman: | I built that one, yes | [19:38] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5 | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so 3 is the baseline somehow. | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 138 i make them, so it decided 1096*1.38*3 = 4537.44 is the minimum i get | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | my cft value is 7 * 2.01 * 180 = 2532.6 and the stick decays ~20200 so total in 22732.6, total out no less than 4537.44 or 0.199600574 in my case. | [19:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean 0.199600574\% | [19:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha, so it's discrete. | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | not discrete* | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | that was a lot. | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 15, now i have 52 | [19:44] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 | [19:44] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds like a hit | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | is it me or is it like, warming up | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 | [19:45] |
| diana_coman: | I sometimes get that feeling too | [19:45] |
| diana_coman: | though not sure it means anything, lol | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3\ | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 71 in 18 smalls. | [19:46] |
| diana_coman: | kind of 4 per | [19:46] |
| diana_coman: | not that great really | [19:47] |
| diana_coman: | 20k per stick | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | now doing the ord, bundle q 122 | [19:47] |
| diana_coman: | it still makes it 4k per tlc | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the smalls yes. | [19:47] |
| diana_coman: | if you have some time while waiting on the ord, see the whisper tab, lol | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | brb ima count what the bundle actually is worth. | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | 300k this morn was for the burned ft / ppb, as i said at teh time. | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | 320k today was for the sticks. | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're even. | [19:48] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you said sticks this morning | [19:48] |
| diana_coman: | hence I did not even think of the ft thing | [19:48] |
| diana_coman: | at least I am not totally drunk then | [19:48] |
| diana_coman: | k | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | bundle base is 14400, so at 122 it is 17568 ea. | [19:49] |
| diana_coman: | well, you have 3 tries anyway, so decent chances to rain tlc | [19:50] |
| diana_coman: | (and further doom the quality, lol) | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mine pretty much non stop anyway, i iamgine it's the same thing really. | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | erll...not that nonstop. half the day. the other half i make imps and cft and whatnot | [19:51] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [19:51] |
| diana_coman: | and well, you don't hit all the time | [19:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks like 23 | [19:51] |
| diana_coman: | that was my point: if it rains tlc | [19:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 23+3 = 26 actually. now i have 97 | [19:51] |
| diana_coman: | if only pacademia nuts were also found, lol | [19:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [19:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, this isn't a terrible use of the stocks. | [19:53] |
| diana_coman: | no, just that I don't have big stocks of that (already used pretty much what I had) | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's lumbering it seems | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | but rarer than tlc | [19:56] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, well, in the finding game /stage it doesn't really matter what it is, does it? | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | guess not | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. 5+7. now 109 | [19:57] |
| diana_coman: | at least I did not notice some kind of pattern on the map as in mining stuff tending to be together etc | [19:57] |
| diana_coman: | ouch indeed | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | last 1 | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | whgat do you mean ? the grass is together alrgith | [19:57] |
| diana_coman: | last chance,last chance | [19:57] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [19:58] |
| diana_coman: | so? | [19:58] |
| diana_coman: | I meant: resources from mining tending to be one next to the other | [19:58] |
| diana_coman: | resources from grocery idem | [19:58] |
| diana_coman: | etc | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh as opposed to groceries ? aha. | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the costs here would be 20*20 + 2532.6 * 18 + 17568*3 = 98690.8 | [19:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | haga oops | [19:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | 498290.8 | [19:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so far i have 109 tlc, making the tlc cost me just about 5k each. | [19:59] |
| diana_coman: | not totally horrible, but not great either | [20:00] |
| diana_coman: | well, ignoring the fact that the nuts are not really replaceable atm | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | right | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually, the enums also have a value, so it's really more than the 498k | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i got ... 5+7 | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems THIS is the minimum here, 5+7 | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugh. i mean i got 3+7 | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 119 total now. | [20:02] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [20:03] |
| diana_coman: | well, you paid 16k per enum, right? | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya but game doesn't know this | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was doing all base costs | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4187.317647059 per tlc, or 276\% | [20:04] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I thought you meant for costs | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | no just trying to figure from game pov | [20:04] |
| diana_coman: | what was your q on them? | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | honestly it's not that terrible. | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | 138 | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean... what if a remarkable had popped out, then i'd be so far in the money it'd be ungodly. | [20:05] |
| diana_coman: | well it's not totally horrible, no,but not great and not exactly + somehow (iirc you did not want to pay 4k per tlc, lol) | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | for that matter i got 4mn in grass out of hoe smalls. who's to say a stick small (these are clearly better aren't they ? maybe even 5x better smalls somehow) can't do that too | [20:05] |
| diana_coman: | yes, true re smalls | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i wouldn't pay 4k for tlc, but if you want to go again i'd buy another 20 hits at 16k ea | [20:06] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway off to eat bbl | [20:06] |
| diana_coman: | I'm off for now too | [20:06] |
| hanbot: | if anyone has sacrificy recipes they'd care to sell me, send me a line! | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | like which do you need ? | [20:57] |
| hanbot: | interested in all | [20:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk lemme see what i got here. | [20:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got murky delights, mysterious rocks, old lists, uppitty chickens | [21:00] |
| hanbot: | neat. may i read their nutritional informations before i buy? :D | [21:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | lem me see | [21:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually trade me in game i show ? | [21:01] |
| hanbot: | kk | [21:02] |
| hanbot: | hrm i'll need bouquinize huh. | [21:03] |
| hanbot: | how do i get that skilla gain? | [21:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you have to have a skill giving item like the book of lists | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | and you need teh tool | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess i should be making vellum and brews huh | [21:04] |
| hanbot: | is that book craftable? or retired findable item? and what about the tool? | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, once the new skill books are added ima try and make the booq one | [21:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe it works. | [21:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, i think ima make 119 vellums since im at it. | [21:06] |
| hanbot: | so wait, since i see the uppity chickens recipe for instance doesn't mention it, what are the tiny sparkles for? | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc you need 3 with some wine to do the sacrifice. | [21:06] |
| hanbot: | so the sacrifice is different from the creation of w/e chickens, lists, rocks, delights? what is the sacrifice *of*, those things? | [21:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | booq makes the recipe for sacrifice basically. | [21:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | so these are recipes of recipes. | [21:09] |
| hanbot: | oh i see | [21:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | if memory serves you need 3 of the tools and SOME almost wine | [21:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 of the rare items. like the sparkle | [21:10] |
| hanbot: | aha. so i'm stuck until: 1. can get booq skill, 2. can get "the tool" for booq, 3. can get vellum and brews, 4. can get wine | [21:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [21:12] |
| hanbot: | who knew sacrificing was so complicated ;) | [21:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's hard work, sacrificing. | [21:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, im making some brews now and will make a bunch of vellum too, so there is that. | [21:13] |
| hanbot: | cool | [21:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | 119 tlc may have cost half a mil, but ima take it to bng, and then to vellum. which i don't evben knbow what it cotst but expensive as shit | [21:13] |
| hanbot: | i'll pawn my hairdo. | [21:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha | [21:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually bng is like 12k and 40 or so wpl not so bad, maybe 15k together | [21:15] |
| hanbot: | not bad | [21:15] |
| danielpbarron: | hanbot> aha. so i'm stuck until << I can provide you with all the fixings if you agree to give me all the loot | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja have pacademia nuts danielpbarron ? | [21:24] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja need c pulp ? | [21:25] |
| danielpbarron: | what's it for | [21:25] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd buy finished supplications | [21:30] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, regarding the mining bot (that i still haven't tried out) and the difference in backwards verses forwards movement: why not strafe instead? That is, move left and then right. | [22:12] |
| danielpbarron: | it could be that it is not a difference in forwards/backwards but that you are attempting on an incline. Movement down-hill seems to be faster and jerkier than otherwise | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah its for booq nm | [23:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha good q! | [23:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm taking my highest-in-the-world gathering rank for a spin around the island to see if some unfindables pop up; so far found clovers in a new (to me at least) spot | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | not bad. | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you had the bot going sa | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | a) you could let it go in lines | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | b) iut would make usable logs | [23:05] |
| danielpbarron: | the data i'm looking for can fit in my head | [23:05] |
| danielpbarron: | oh and regarding the mining of tinies you mentioned the other day; I also didn't want to waste time building when my primary goal was to advance gathering | [23:07] |
| danielpbarron: | the fastest way to rank up gathering is to never stop to build anything | [23:07] |
| danielpbarron: | but all those excuses aside, I just don't trust the bot | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | myea | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | well you can read it , of course | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | woot making q 203 csw | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr diana_coman i burned down all my leather. | [23:15] |
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