| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I'd buy some goop then (not bp, actual item) | [03:02] |
| diana_coman: | re groceries: quality is still around 177 given that it keeps going down prolly because of your sortage going up or something | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | well, it went down a lot with your big find first | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | I have lots of leather and bitterbeans esp | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | but a bit of everything for sure | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | jurov re high-q enums, I have prolly the highest quality if you need them | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> i suppose danielpbarron needs a fix to foxy's bot to not mine the smalls altogether <- no "fix" needed - just don't take threads with you | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | but as far as i know he's fine to use his gathering macro so prolly not an issue at all | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | great list hanbot, maybe update the missing values with those from http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/22/the-unbearably-unknown-value-of-things-in-eulora/ ? | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | seems a bit weird but obv I can't tell whether it is something wrong or intended like that: while building only grocery stuff (beans and leather) I ranked up *two* building levels (and quite high ones at that) + 1 gathering level (again a pain otherwise) and still *not even 1 level in grocery* | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu ^ | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | the 1 level in grocery in question being a paltry level 29 for that matter | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so ill buy the bb sg lh tlc dm you got then! | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I'll be back in the village in ~10 min | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> no "fix" needed - just don't take threads with you << o fuck, that's clever. right! | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman finishing the last imp now so that's exactly right. i take it you want moar ft ? | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | well, prolly better as a pack with ppb anyway since those were gone too | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya but those i don't have the sb to make. | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise sure thing | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | no hurry, leave it for when you have | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | I'm hitting kind of weird things with this exploring and farming stuff | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | is that really intended that one level in farming at 29 is harder than 2 levels in building at whatever 280+ ? | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibru | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | I'm in the village | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | im halfway done. | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | do you want a BN ordinary for building me a RR one? | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | cool, I'll need some time to get the stuff out anyway | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'm actually the driver of the qual drop over here ?! | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | who else really? | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess depends on how much mining danielpbarron is doing | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | he is doing mainly the gathering part of it | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | and on whether just exploring contributes or is it just building | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | so it shouldn't really matter in this | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | I never saw the exploring matter in it before, really | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | cause he found a what's before remarkable ? | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | that should be huge but i don't recall a drop then | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | no | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | a sizeable | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, no drop at all | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | not just for finding it | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | no drop at all sir i tell you! | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | possibly when he builds it I suppose | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know that guy ? | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | so: no wwb and no wpl, just sg, bb tlc? | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, no | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | o mai god. | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDA_4DKrbM | [09:22] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: RK House - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand im ready. so yes, still have decent stocks of wwb / wpl yet. tho best let me check. | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah got decent stocks of those 2 | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | ok, 20 tlc 186q, 45 sg at 180 and 1362 BBB | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright. | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | 675k | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, 674958 | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i set some gin to cook. | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i need it for a buncha things, but not imperatively, so do you want a lot of bng or w/e ? or actual gin ? | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | no, I wanted a bunch of actual gin (like 10 or so, nothing huge) but it's also not imperatively so if you have a very good use for it right now go ahead, it's nothing terribly important for me right now | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | do you sell any crumbly rock? | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | high q would be best | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | sadly, no. | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the dm / stick situation ? 1 per ? | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | dm? | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | dead mollusc? | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | molluscs | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | have you been playing something else? lolz | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | has anyone found them? | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | wut! | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're not found ? | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | I think daniel got some from the altar | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | nothing else | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | not that I know of, no | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | omaygerd and you call yourself a farm girl! | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | I don't | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | find me some mollusc! | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | dead or alive, sure | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i need... at least 150 of it. | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I could use some ton of it too | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | we make cheez | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | it's kind of weird in some places I go poking in rr area or some such basic stuff | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | and it goes nothing here but then I insist and it gets...rr and basic stuff | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | really weird | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | happened to me | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | remember that time a few months ago when i had you come over to sr spot ? | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | and you found... sr ? | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had tried like 5x there, back and forth, nothing. | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that one too | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | exactly like that | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it just failed to train gumbo\ | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am not overloaded at all. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | so what did it say? | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | or nothing at all? | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | is it possible it has a problem with this specifically ? cooking ? | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | said nothing. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | so it did not notice the rank message | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess so. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | I think sometimes it misses the ranking message altogether | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | but not sure why | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | I'd say if it were something specific with cooking, it wouldn't train it at all eve | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | ever | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | (as in some problem getting the skill name or whatever) | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | but as it stands it really sounds more like missing the rank message | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | is there any "you can't train when ..." | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | message in your main window? | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | (so NOT bot window) | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | does that even go to chat or is it just red ? | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | so then it did not even try to train | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | it goes to chat | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | I saw it before | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | why would it have failed if it tried ? im not ow. | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | well, whatever reason (as in poor timing even for instance) | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder if i should make some of this pigment thing | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | but if there is no such message it would seem it just missed the rank message | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | does it see the p window ? | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't use windows | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | it registers for the messages (rather: foxybot registers and then passes them on to the various activities) | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was thinking "maybe it should look if the skill is yellow and keep trying" but then went ugh no | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | no and that would be a huge huge pain | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya. | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | "here's this nice bot, you can only use it if your skills are up to snuff." omfg why! | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | one option would be to just train by default after each craft | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | simply | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | but it's a bit of a mess if you craft overweight | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | nono. bad. | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | there | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | I guess in time it could keep track of skill points | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | and so KNOW when it need to train | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | regardless of messages | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | but ... | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | that's pretty much the type of never ending troubles with bot design | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | that as soon as I try to get it to do something solid, it ends up pretty much needing to keep information the client normally doesn't have/expose/maintain | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | so kind of running into "let's make another client" ha | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | notrly in this case. this is a minor snag and the improvements are like usg hell. | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman anyway, fyi : sortage is fucking hard to level ALSO. | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | with sortage there is the HUGE benefit of being able to basically overcraft heavily to get it moving | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | by crafting | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | no such luck with farming - basically the only thing one can do is kind of to...build a shitton of ordinaries? | [10:02] |
| diana_coman: | something there | [10:02] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> notrly in this case. this is a minor snag and the improvements are like usg hell. <- exactly why I left it as it is, yes | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep. | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you, and everyone else, of course. | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, that is valid for everything, isn't it? | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so : i ranked. i got the message. the bot moved everything to container. didn't train. moved everything out. continued crafting\ | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | no message at all otherwise? | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | its window says "moving to container for training" / "moving to container for crafting | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | that'd mean the *training* message that the bot sent out got lost/ignored/whatever | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | ok and the main window? | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i never had that happen to me. | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | nothing about training? | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | nopthing there. | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | this I haven't seen before either | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i was just here watching it, this time. specificallty to see wtf. | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | from the code that's the only thing that could happen: training message lost on the way | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | have you ever seen this wonder ? | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i bet you i know what it is. | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | not exactly this, no | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bot window has 4 lines. | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1. moving to container | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2. done moving | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3. Craft action combining | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4. Done 14 itmes 6 left | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5. moving ingredients to container | [10:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | it tries to train before it gets the craft finished message ? | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | NO | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | that for sure no | [10:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | a ok then | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | training is a separate stage | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | when it gets the ranking message, it sets a flag | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | nothing else | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | only after the craft is finished | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | check out the state machine | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | it basically goes next stage into training | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | where it attempts to train only if the flag is set | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | well yeah, it's a state machine | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | the done 14 times 6 left is basically at the end, after it finished and got the item out | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | donme with the acg almost, you wanna do that mining ? or later ? | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | later, gotta go now | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima make some noxious whatever this is | [10:23] |
| mod6: | hi diana_coman you around? | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | hi mod6, yes | [17:05] |
| mod6: | ok cool. i'll meet you ingame to deliver the SBs :] | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | cool, thanks | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | is rank 400 in gathering! | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey wd! | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | you get it, top gathering on server danielpbarron | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima add the books for my cooking and sortage together with yours in a few days, you get some recipes then. | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i burned through like 400 cruddy hoes in the final stretch | [20:57] |
| danielpbarron: | didn't even mine most of the claims, although a surprising number of times i would come to check on it and find ordinary claims still there with a key, and locked them | [20:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | how big is the final stretch ? like 50 skills ? | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i got ~30 from 100 hoes or so | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway danielpbarron i think you're wasting a lot of copper not mining the tinies. | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | really should look into the bot thing | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can say my results are a solid 20-30\% up | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | (i used to also ignore tinies) | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | thing is, in a run of say 200 finds, i'd get maybe 300 product. but 180 tinies get me another 180 minimum, at the cost of 180 bits, which is at least 100 net. | [21:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i want some of the tiny enumerations | [21:41] |
| danielpbarron: | the final stretch was more like 5 ranks | [21:42] |
| danielpbarron: | most of the way from 300 to 400 was barehanded | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron how long did it take ? a month ? two ? | [23:26] |
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